AntiChristian:


Same thing!
Your gods too are deceivers too!

Why is it difficult for your holy spirit to accept

AntiChristian:


I agree! USA AND ISRAEL ARE THE TOP CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES from Yahweh!

advocatejare:

Did God deceive Jeremiah? Delusion
Read the proceeding verse
Ezek.14.6 - "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Repent! Turn
from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!
God had warned them here before saying they will be destroyed if they don't repent of their sins and
idolatry but Allah is the one that leads people astray

God didn't promise Jerusalem of unconditional peace, he promised to keep them safe and secure as
long as they serve only him, desist from sins and stay away from idols. When Israel failed in their part,
they got the consequences. God destroyed other people because of sins, he wouldn't tolerate sins from
Israel, so there's no deceit there

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So advocate explain then why?
Jeremiah’s Complains in Jeremiah 20
7 You deceived me, Lord, and I was deceived,
you overpowered me and prevailed.I am ridiculed all day long;everyone mocks me.
8 Whenever I speak, I cry out proclaiming violence and destruction. So the word of the Lord has brought me insult and reproach all day long.

advocatejare:

How did the Lord deceive Jeremiah?

By saying that there will be peace in Jerusalem right? It wasn’t a deceit, that promise came with a condition, which was as long as they are obedient and serve God

AntiChristian:


Relocate to the mountain and slam your head on the floor like Jesus!

Matthew 14:23
“ And when he (Jesus) had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray…..”

Matthew 26:39
Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed...

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And Jeremiah falsely lay says you deceived me lord
Emboldened is not true scripture?

advocatejare:


Did you know that Elijah claimed that he was the only prophet remaining who had not bowed down to Baal but God told him that he wasn’t.

So prophets are humans, they said things out of emotions sometimes but that doesn’t make it true

God gave the condition for peace to be in Jerusalem and when the conditions were not fulfilled, there was no peace. So that was not a deceit

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Mr we are talking about Jeremiah here. Are trying to state Jeremiah and Elijah are the same person.

Convincely explain what Jeremiah says or show where he corrected the statement that God didn't deceive him.

AntiChristian:


I have posted a video link where I watched Joe Biden say they funded Isreal to be in that place strategically with $3bilion!

Israel wasn't supposed to be there!
After WWII, they were rejected in France, everywhere! They had to settle them in between the Arabs.

And Palestinians accepted them but they kept occupying more lands and fighting them since they've got the support of god USA and most of NATO!

Why won't Palestinians fight back?
One who defends his properties and families to death is a martyr in Islam!

AntiChristian:


Od course you will most likely. It's not today you guys have been mentioning taqqiya about Muslims!

And your bro mentioned in his post that Allah is a deceiver.

Did he asked for clarification before making the post?
He made the post based on the falsehood you call misunderstanding...

Allah is the truth wallah!

You're only friends to yourselves!

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In light of Ibn Kathir's interpretation, it is clear that he does not consider Allah to be a deceiver.

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Do you consider your biblical narration of arrest, trial and crucifixion of Jesus as a just process?

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وَقَوْلِهِمْ
And for their saying
إِنَّا
"Indeed we
قَتَلْنَا
killed
ٱلْمَسِيحَ
the Messiah
عِيسَى
Isa
ٱبْنَ
son
مَرْيَمَ
(of) Maryam
رَسُولَ
(the) Messenger
ٱللَّهِ
(of) Allah"
وَمَا
And not
قَتَلُوهُ
they killed him
وَمَا
and not
صَلَبُوهُ
they crucified him
وَلَٰكِن
but
شُبِّهَ
it was made to appear (so)
لَهُمْۚ
to them
وَإِنَّ
And indeed
ٱلَّذِينَ
those who
ٱخْتَلَفُوا۟
differ
فِيهِ
in it
لَفِى
(are) surely in
شَكٍّ
doubt
مِّنْهُۚ
about it
مَا
Not
لَهُم
for them
بِهِۦ
about it
مِنْ
[of]
عِلْمٍ
(any) knowledge
إِلَّا
except
ٱتِّبَاعَ
(the) following
ٱلظَّنِّۚ
(of) assumption
وَمَا
And not
قَتَلُوهُ
they killed him
يَقِينًۢا
certainly
Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha 'eesa ibna maryama rasoola Allahi wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum wainna allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min 'ilmin illa ittiba'a alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

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4:157) and their saying: 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary', the Messenger of Allah191 - whereas in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

[This verse categorically states that Jesus was raised on high before he could be crucified, and that the belief of both the Jews and the Christians that Jesus died on the cross is based on a misconception. As a result of a comparative study of the Qur'anic and Biblical versions we are persuaded that, so far as the trial at the court of Pilate is concerned, it was probably Jesus who was tried. Pilate sentenced him to death after the Jews showed their deep hostility to Truth and righteousness by openly declaring that, in their view, the life of a thief was of higher value than that of a man with such a pure soul as Jesus. It was then that God raised Jesus up to heaven. The person the Jews subsequently crucified was someone else who, for one reason or another, was mistaken for the person of Jesus. The fact that the person who had actually been crucified was someone other than Jesus does not in any way detract from the guilt of those Jews, for in their minds it was Jesus whose head they were crowning with thorns, in whose face they were spitting, and whom they were subjecting to crucifixion. We are not in a position now to find out how and why such a confusion arose. As no authentic source of information is available to us, it would be inappropriate to conjecture and speculate about the cause of the misapprehension which led the Jews to believe that they had crucified Jesus, the son of Mary, whereas he had already passed far beyond their grasp.

FxMasterz:


Remember that the Beast and the False prophet in the verses you quoted above are expected to emerge during the last 3.5yrs of the world when the Antichrist would have broken his 7yr covenant with Israel.

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Jesus’ arrest and trial were marred by corruption and injustice. He was arrested on false charges of blasphemy and sedition, and instead of being granted a fair trial, he was subjected to mockery and abuse. The high priest and the Jewish council did not follow the proper legal procedures, and the trial was riddled with false witnesses and biased judgment.

Notice that those who were involved in Christ’s arrest included the priests and elders—His judges! Among them were also the very ones who bribed Judas. Moreover, Jesus was arrested secretly, by night/b]. [b]He was not arrested on the formal charge of any crime. There was no charge presented. There was no warrant for His arrest, no statement of what He had done. They just simply took Him.

No one had presented testimony or evidence of guilt to the Sanhedrin whereby they could have requested His arrest.

The first step in Jesus’ trial was a preliminary examination in a private night proceeding before Annas, who had been high priest. This was an unproductive meeting because Caiaphas (Annas’ son-in-law) was actually the high priest that year. Annas finally bound Jesus and sent Him to Caiaphas (John 18:12-13, 19-23).

The Sanhedrin illegally proceeded to hold its trial of Jesus before sunrise.
Notice that the preliminary investigation before Annas brought forth no evidence whatsoever. Instead of dismissing the case, they proceeded to hold an illegal court.

The Sanhedrin was illegally convened to try a capital offense on a day before an annual Sabbath (holy day).
“No court of justice in Israel was permitted to hold sessions on Sabbath or any of the seven Biblical holidays. In cases of capital crime, no trial could be commenced on Friday or the day previous to any holiday, because it was not lawful either to adjourn such cases longer than over night, or to continue them on the Sabbath or holiday”

advocatejare:

Be writing jargons there, I’m sure you have seen how Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir refer to your Allah as a deceiver that deceived the people.

Who made the person to appear so like Jesus thereby deceiving everyone present?

Do you consider the Islamic narration of replacing Jesus with another person to take up his image and his death a just process?

Who did Allah replace Jesus with?

Why did the person had to bear the burden of Jesus and die his death when the same Allah said that no bearer of burden will bear the burden of another?

EMILO2STAY:
this is false. the beast has since emerged and the antichrist which is one of the ten horns has already emerged. the next thing to follow is the great tribulation after which christ will descend. there is no where in the bible where antichrist is making a covenant with israel that is a false doctrine.

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Isn't the supremacy of Allah above those who sought to crucify and humilate Jesus clearly seen or you rather go with your web of lies that someone died for your sins when the Bible says in Leviticus 5:17 If anyone sins and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD’s commands, even though they do not know it, they are guilty and will be held responsible.

Ezekiel 18:19-20 Yet you say, Why should the son not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity?’ When the son has practiced justice and righteousness and has observed all My statutes and done them, he shall surely live. The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

advocatejare:

What of Muhammad that was poisoned like a common rat, why didn’t Allah save him from death like he “saved “ Jesus?


Allah allowed Muhammad die a painful poisoned death and couldn’t save Muhammad by replacing him with another person but it was jesus that Allah deceived people on by replacing him with another person? Why was Jesus so precious to Allah ?

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Before jumping elsewhere are the circumstances of arrest and persecution in accordance with the Jewish law?

Don't talk about an alleged poisoning that took how many years to kill? Are you sure it is the poison that really brought about the death?

advocatejare:

The Romans were the ones ruling the Jews that time and they tried people based on Romans law and your Tafsir agreed that the person in the image of Jesus was actually crucified only that Allah claimed that he replaced Jesus with another person to die for Jesus but the same you said that no one can die for the sins of others. So it’s either you or Allah is confused

advocatejare:


Sahih al-Bukhari 4428
Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if(see attached picture) my aorta is being cut from that poison."

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As if

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The Jewish religious authorities, particularly the high priest and the Sanhedrin, viewed Jesus as a threat to their own power and authority. He challenged their traditional beliefs and practices, and his teachings and actions were seen as blasphemous by the religious leaders. Consequently, they sought to bring charges against him and have him put to death according to Jewish law.

The charges against Jesus included blasphemy and claims of being the Son of God, which, according to Jewish law, warranted a death penalty. However, the Jewish leaders did not have the authority to execute criminals under Roman rule, so they sought the involvement of the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate.

Pilate, the Roman governor at the time, had the final say in judicial matters and was responsible for maintaining law and order in Judea. When the Jewish leaders brought Jesus before him, they presented a case that he was a threat to the Roman authority and claimed that he was inciting rebellion against the Roman Empire. Pilate had to carefully navigate the situation, as he did not want to incite unrest among the Jewish population, but he also did not want to appear weak in the eyes of the Roman officials.

Pilate found no fault in Jesus and wanted to release him, but he succumbed to pressure from the Jewish leaders and the crowd, ultimately sentencing Jesus to be crucified. Crucifixion was a Roman form of execution reserved for the most despised and reviled criminals, and it was a cruel and painful manner of death.

So was it the Romans or Jews that persecuted Jesus? Do tell me and show you are able to discern the truth.

advocatejare:

The summary of the whole thing is that Pilate sentenced jesus to die by crucifixion but Allah said he replaced Jesus by another person and the person died Jesus’ death but you also said that no one can die for another so both you and Allah are confused because Allah watched Muhammad died from agony of the food he ate at Khaibar which aimed to get rid of him for being a false prophet and Allah could not save him to prove to the Jewess that poisoned him that he was not fake.