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CuteMadridista:
My motive for gay freedom is same as heterosexual freedom

I think 2 consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever brings them sexual pleasure so long they aren't harming themselves or anyone else in the process and they do it in private

Good for you enjoy.

OkCornel:
Per the bolded, that is why I mentioned to ifenes that its not the first person that tells the story of creation that automatically means the story is the right and accurate one...

On a personal note, I believe the Annunaki story and the Fallen Angels are the same set of people...

Okay and,yes, i do too.

CuteMadridista:
You've forgotten both you and KEB reported to the m.od.s that It was my monicker on that thread where Otem opened for you sometime back and Pasta was banned till 2027. That thread was a sheetshow anyways

I'm even surprised you didn't know it was me till now, I type the same way

BTW you haven't replied the main question, does my fighting for policies that would favour the poor mean I'm wallowing in poverty?

Am very bad at noting monikers. I know very few here. I just respond to posts but forget them as soon as am done.

What is your interest in Gay? How does their activities enhances life on earth?

What is your motive behind your support for your course? That is, if you insist you are not?

ifenes:
One last clerification. Anu is the god almighty of the Christians. Sometimes they mix it up with Enlil( otherwise known as Yahweh/ Jehovah). These were beings who visited the earth according to the oldest written history of man found. Okay ? The idea an almighty god came from the stories of the Anunaki visiting the earth. The singular God was created to hide the identities of these beings. They themselves came from other civilisations.

Man just want to worship anything. There is no creator, no god, nothing, except you and I.

If anyone wants to worship a God, look to your neighbors and appreciate them. That is you appreciating God. Primitive men worship god because they saw them with technology. Today people worship god because the idea was passed down to them by their ancestors

The bible is not a religious book, it was compiled by those who wanted to hide knowledge

Can you pls go back and answer the questions he asked you?

OkCornel:
ifenes admitted;

1) The Annunaki never created the planet
2) There is no Creator and that the Earth and the Universe are wonders and illusions...

So therefore, on this premise, Anu is not God Almighty...but just a visitor to this planet...

If anything, the Annunakis and the fallen angels per the account of Enoch and Genesis are one and the same set of people...

Dem no go gree. Who the gods wants to kill, they first make mad. Na so dem talj for hia.

OkCornel:
Got anything intellectual to add?

I think we have all gone past this stage on this thread...

I'd like to hear your point of view as well...

Thanks

Leave that guy o, he is supperly smart but will never say much. He is very stingy with his knowledge .

Big bros @correctguy101, i hail o

OkCornel:
1) If you say there is no creator...then how did life come to exist on earth in the first place?
2) How are planets and stars formed in the Universe? They are not illusions... if you do some research on the Universe and Universal energy...there are conditions and processes in place necessary for creation of these. If so, is this process also an illusion?




Per the bolded, at this point, I am also disappointed you had to say this because I have never at any point criticized or made any snide remarks about what you chose to believe in.

Please can you tell us the process the Anunnaki went through to create this body that was powered by consciousness? What were the raw materials used?

It also seems you assume that the first person to tell a story automatically means that version of the story is the right and accurate one... [b]I know the Epic of Gilgamesh and Enuma Elish predates the Genesis Account... [/b]but does it automatically mean the Epic and the Enuma Elish is 100% correct with zero percent of lies and errors in it? Same question goes for the Genesis account...

If you check, I am not concerned about the similarity in the stories...but rather, the differences.



Just when the discussion was getting interesting, you decided to leave. Oh well, my time is precious as well...and you can believe in whatever you like... but never think you have the pure and unadulterated truth about the history of mankind...as a matter of fact...no one or book does...

Except God Almighty who knows the distant past...

@the bolded. Sir, if you say you know that indeed Enuma Elish and the Epic of Gil predates Genesis, you'd be saying 'You know that the Universe/Multiverse was created by Moses and that the Universe was created when the account was written down'.

Sir. No one knows when the Universe was created because the dates were not given.

Moses was dictated to on Mount Sinai what had happened from God knew when. As at when Moses took notes of the creation story, as the creator showed him the distance past, the Sumarians had already lived for long, and has had their own perverted account of the creation from the demon who pretended he was God. How do i know?

Abraham was from Sumaria and Mesopotamia was already a civilized place before he left Ur. And count how many generations spanned from Abraham to Moses. Yet Moses saw Abraham through the eyes of God and wrote about him and his generation. Again, lets count how many generations spanned between Abraham to Adam. These generations are dated, so we can enumerate them.

BUT.
We are going to get seriously stuck when trying to decipher the time span between 'LET THERE BE LIGHT TO, ADAM WAS thrown OUT OF EDEN TO FARM THE GROUND From where he was formed. WHY?

because, time wasn't counting YET, so the Universe could have been existing for Billions of yrs before the Fall of Man. And since time wasn't counting, there was no aging and since there was no aging, there was no death.

Now, the interesting thing is, Epic of Gil or Enuma Elish is dated, this is how i know the writers of these accounts were lied to by a lying spirit. Remeber satan was down here before the creation of the Universe and his eyes were not blinded or his ears blocked not to see the process or hear what was said while creation was going on.

Another point is. WHY are these accounts so hooked on the creation and especially the FLOOD stories only?

Remeber, it was at this point satan thought to corrupt the SEED OF THE WOMAN(?). I think satan quickly ran ahead to give his own account hoping the first to speak will be believed as the truth.

Bro Muttleylaff said something about lies running sprints making a headstart but truth running marathons enduring forever.

No be who call police the win case o.

ifenes:
There is no creator. The Earth and Universe at large are the wonders( illusion) of consciousness/ our various minds. Experience of a human being is what we humans choose to be aware of. This is esoteric knowledge. The bible scholars did well to mix up the various spiritual knowledge and Anunaki knowledge to create a god religious people created into reality. Otherwise this god ideology doesn't exist. It is a tool of control. I never said the Anunaki created the planet. They like us are Oneness, experiencing itself as many. The only person who is your creator is your true self, otherwise you are eternal.




You are obviously telling the story of the corrupted version of the anunaki and other non- terrestrial life forms genetically modifying humans. Creating man from dust and breathing into it is a pure measure of control. I'm sorry to say I am disappointed you believe this. Isn't it obvious it was science ? Creating a body that can be powered by consciousness shouldn't be hard for a civilisation superior to ours for billions of years.



Sorry I cannot have this discussion any further, my time is precious. You can believe what you like. Good luck sir !

I knew you'd run. because, if you try to answer any of these questions, your backside go just open.

OKCornel, as i was reading down your questions, i thought, 'kai, this guy go pursue ifenes commot from here o'. It happened.

Butterflyl1oin come and see ifenes o.

OkCornel:
Very good...This is what I mean as "God"

1) The Master of the Universe/Multiverse
2) The Uncreated One
3) The Starting point of the Multiversal cycle
4) The Starting point of the story of creation and all forms of Consciousness...
5) The Eternal One and Father of all creation (I personally think God is not a gender-specific being: I am open to correction here)


Bear in mind that God never changes...however, it is the way man perceives and views Him that changes over time...That is why I am not inclined to label God with religious name(s) like:

1) YHWH (According to Moses' revelation and the Jews understanding of who God Almighty is),
2) Olodumare, Abasi, Chukwu (According to our Nigerian ancestors' understanding and revelation of who God Amighty is)
3) Aten (According to Akhenaten's understanding and revelation of who God Almighty is)
4) Anu (According to the Sumerian's understanding and revelation of who God Almighty is)...

All I know is that HE EXISTS... and Jesus gave a very accurate explanation of His unchanging nature...

Take out time to read Jesus' parables and explanations on the Father...and compare it to the God of the Old Testament...then tell me what you think. You'll notice something different

Now going by the above description of God, do you think Anu fits into the bill?

To answer this question, let me give you a hint. If you have taken time to study how planets are formed (this process of planet and star creation is still ongoing and will forever continue as the Universe evolves), can you conclude that Anu is responsible for creating stars and planets?

Good line of queries.

OkCornel:
Good morning all,

Sincere apologies for not keeping up last night...
Got home and slept off quickly...I was EXHAUSTED...

Back to the matter on ground...

What is the matter on ground? ?

budaatum:
That's the Spirit!

Good mirning good sir.

CuteMadridista:
This monicker was created when you ruined my Pastafarian monicker

but what made you conclude I'm gay? does my being against persecuting people based on their poverty mean I must be wallowing in poverty?

I ruined your moniker? How and when?

OkCornel:
I believe man is a soul rather than spirit. At the point of death...the Spirit goes back to the owner (God)...and it's the soul that is judged...
Thankfully, every man has a Spirit (which is a fragment of God in man)...if he heeds to it...good ... if he doesn't, he's got no excuse on the day of judgment...whether he has heard about Jesus or not.

We are saying the same thing nau? Every man has a spirit and a soul, but which of these component is more active will determines the one in charge of the vehicle (the body).

God created Man first a Spirit (in His image), gave him a soul, (the mind, consciousness/conscience, emotions) to enable him function and operate in his domain and dominate it. But at creation Man didn't know he was a spirit who lived in a body. When he was told that when he ate from the tree he'd die, he thought it was the dead of his body. When Eve didn't drop dead after eating from the fruit, that gave him the moral to eat also, he ate and died (spiritually).

The Spirit (real him) which connected Man to God, got separated from his maker. The soul was left in a fix, it needed to worship and fellowship with someone, because it was created to worship (ignore those who say there's no God, they worship something that something can be money or themselves).

A man craves to worship something, just like a man must bare rule and take charge/control of his environment. This was spoken into his innate consciousness before he even saw the sun. (Go into the world and Dominate). When you take away power and authority from a man you had killed him.

(Adam messed up the world from Eden. He sat back and let his wife bore rule over him. She determine what they ate and did. She wasn't put in her place, 'under her husband'. God commands the man, the commands his wife and there shall be peace. But Adam was a weakling who got carried away by her naked breast pointed breast, see were that got us)

Anyways, Man started seeking for ways to reconnect back to his maker, but he couldn't. This was the birth of Religion.

Note that religion is Man's attempt to reach God in ways possible to him. But, God never gave man a religion, He only wants fellowship. Communion. Father and Son talking, sharing and listening to each other. God finds those He wants out, no one can find God out.

He chooses us, we can never choose Him. When you try, you'd meet satan the deceiver.

When Man was separated from God, that's when the one who deceived him presented himself as the creator (but stood aloof), the more the man tried to get closer, the more satan retrieved further away. The man keeps wondering who his God was and how to appease him to come closer, but no. If man knows that satan was the one in Eden who caused him to Fall, he'd turn away, hence, man us made to even think satan does not exist.

All these activities are done by the soul, for the spirit is dormant at this point.

Check, all the world's religions, you'd never find anyone with a father/son relationship only YHWH. They know their deities only as God, not father.

The Spirit of a man never sins, so the spirit can not and will not stand judged, but the soul will, because, lusts of all kinds started in the mind (the soul) then tasked the body to carry out the actions of sin.

Good morning.

Matinoh:
@the bolded.. so what's the need to flee from sin if it's not because of the Act of sin( fornication etc) that takes one to hell but the nature of Sin( according to your previous post)

No be dey day you cut tree the tree dey die. Pls read my post carefully again, the answer is there.

superhumanist:
Kai. Could you lack any more sense?

Isn't it the same Europe and it's Europeans that brought Christianity to Nigeria?

How does this answers my question? Do not always rush to talk. No be who talk pass dey correct.

You don even brush ya mouth this moni?

CuteMadridista:
I was banned for a month for criticising Christianity

So you are hopefullandlord? Ah, i didn't know you were gay too.

CuteMadridista:
Probably put off by the slavery endorsing Christianity or its homophobia

Christianity is nonsense, wetin concern Nigerians with a carpenter that was killed by 3 nails in a small Israeli village aeons ago?

I'm just worried that Islamic suicide bombers are
increasing more and more and more

***Ahomospotted***

Aboguede:
Europe’s march towards a post-Christian society has been starkly illustrated by research showing a majority of young people in a dozen countries do not follow a religion.

The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious.

The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25%.

You mean the rise of a non Catholic Europe? because Europe was hardly Christian.

MuttleyLaff:
¹⁰You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns.
You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country.
¹¹But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
¹² “All right,” the Lord said to Satan,
“everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.”
So Satan left.
- Job 1:10-12

Modestly, seven sons, three daughters and a number of other people in the household, which possibly are at least 50 servants

...he was a murderer from the beginning,
refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language,
because he is a liar
and the father of lies.
- John 8:44

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw a boomerang
Make a wild guess, who from above, in print, is called a murderer, a murderer from the beginning?
Read 1 John 3:8 below, the situation problem, the works of this murderer, is what God came to put an end to

The one who practices sin is of the devil,
because the devil has been sinning from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed: to destroy the works of the devil.
- 1 John 3:8

I dont have a need to make things up
The Devil, aka Satan's track record, is doing a "good" job at speaking on Satan's behalf
Right from the beginning, Satan has been at it

When you go find out you what Olodumare really and properly means, you'll have the answer to your "What" queries

Mr Moralising FOLYKAZE, make no mistake about it.
God is Good, God is ever Just
God's decisions are not only Just but in addition, are always sensible.

A response like this vindicates me, when I said your explanation of Olodumare is wack

Keep on enjoying your strawman
Keep it to yourself, as I am not interested in it

Going on another of your major illogical detours, are you again

But, why does those who don't believe in the existence of satan dedend him so? Or, is Satan Esu?

OkCornel:
Good to have you back...

Thanks for the response to my questions. I'll revert back later today... I am glad we are making some progress with our discussion

Honestly (no sarcasm intended), I have glanced through this post...I am agreement with most of it...but just need to iron the Spirit and Soul part...

I believe man is a soul rather than spirit. At the point of death...the Spirit goes back to the owner (God)...and it's the soul that is judged...
Thankfully, every man has a Spirit (which is a fragment of God in man)...if he heeds to it...good ... if he doesn't, he's got no excuse on the day of judgment...whether he has heard about Jesus or not.


We'll build on this later this evening...if it's fine by you.
Thanks...

Thanks for your kind words. And i will address this when i power my ba3.

This is my last post to you.
Here is your answer.
Aisha narrated: Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle so that he used to think that he had had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. Then one day he said, “O Aisha, do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other: ‘What is wrong with this man?’ The latter replied, ‘He is under the effect of magic.’ The first one asked, ‘Who has worked magic on him?’ The other replied, ‘Labid bin Al-Asam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.’ The first one asked, ‘What material did he use?’ The other replied, ‘A comb and the hair stuck to it.

mubbyzhe:
Which of his son, and what's the name of his wife?

Zyad Bin Haritha and his wife was Zaynab.
Muhammed peeped and saw her naked, he couldn't get over her naked body, he quickly got a revelation from allah to allow Zyad to divorce her and he quickly married her.

mubbyzhe:
What's the name of that man, and the name of the wife

The man's name was Kinani and his wife was Safiya. The woman who killed muhammed with poisoned goat meat

mubbyzhe:
Can you please mention at least two women he had sex with during their mensuration

All his wives. Aisha talked about it.
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub. During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn below the waist) and used to handle me. While in Itikaf, he used to bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my periods (menses). (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 298)

Oh My Lord!!!!!!, that man was dirty.

mubbyzhe:
Hahahahahaha, Show us evidence of all these, please

Show you and who evidence? Why do you hide who you are? Are you embarrassed by your prophets perversion? Pls be proud of your best man who ever lived. Nonsense.

Here is your answer;

Aisha used to say: If I had known beforehand about my affair what I found out later, none would have washed him except his wives. “ (Book 20, Number 3135)

Why did Aisha say that?
Ali (Muhammad's son in-law saw his penis while washing him in preparation for burial and exclaimed: “O Prophet, thy penis is erect unto the sky!” *

Muhammed was not only a pedophile with little girls he was a homosexual with little boys.

“I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

He (the Prophet) lift up his (al Hassan’s) shirt and kissed his (little) penis..”
روى أنه صلى الله عليه و سلم قبل زبيبة الحسن أو الحسين
He (the prophet) kissed the (little) penis of al Hassan or al Husein
رأيت النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم فرج ما بين فخذي الحسين و قبل زبيبته
He (the prophet) put Husein’s legs apart an

mubbyzhe:
At age 9, it was said that Aisha has reached puberty, and that's what Qur'an preached

It was said by who? Islamic pedophiles abi? Pls give your 9yrs old daughter to be married believing she has reached puberty.

Abu Bakir, sold his daughter out for political power which he got after Muhammed was killed. Prior to that time, no Arab girl was married at that age. Only pedophile dirty stinking Muhammad started it and forced it on others. Demons possessed man.

mubbyzhe:
Even "Holy Mary" was betrothed to Joseph, at age 12, how about that?

That is what embarrassed Muslims say in a bit to justify their satanic false prophet pedophilia

And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
Luke:1:56

It's only in Islam are 12yrs old children are grown up enough to live in their own houses, not in Israel of the 1st Century.

mubbyzhe:
No, but it is a common knowledge that even girl of less than 9yrs old, do have sex. Even the youngest confirmed mother in medical history was 5years 6months old when she gave birth.

Yes, and men of muhammeds caliber are the ones responsible for those pregnancies. Sickening.

mubbyzhe:
Absolutely No!

did you know in addition to Aisha, Hafsa, both Zaynabs, Juwayriya, Safiya, Maymuna, and Rayhana never had children with Muhammad
Please say something else.

Absolutely No? Why not? Okay it's okay for the prophet to have sex with other men's 9yrs old daughters while you clap and hail him, but not yours? WTH?

How many wives had kids for him? Oh, Don't answer that. I won't be reading after now.

mubbyzhe:
Huh?! was Aisha living with Muhammad before age 9 Why are you full of lies I'm tired of refuting all your lies, can't you be objective

Aisha was bundled by her mother at 6 and given to Muhammed. She was still playing with doll baby. She was there with Muhammad's other wives until she was 9. But he used her little thighs to masturbate.

Which of my lies have you refuted so far. Keep lying to yourself. People are reading us, they know if what am saying with koranic quotations are lies.

mubbyzhe:
How did you reach this conclusion because all your premises have been proven to be false

Am yet to see you proof anything as lies.

I know this because, muhammed was a liar, a murderer, a rapist. An highway robber. A war lord. A slaver. And most of all, Islam says that, if a muslim man gets killed by a woman, that man will go to hell for allah who is also satan, will not grant him access to his paradise.

Wow, where will Muhammed go nah. because of his sins, YHWH rejected him since, and allah also rejected him for being killed by Safiya a Jewess.

mubbyzhe:
As much as I know, God is just God, anybody can give Him a name in his own language. However, our definition of God is different, and I've said it, it's different from Jewish, Christian, Muslim and many other God.
So what's in my previous post to make me a Muslim?
because I'm refuting your lies say something else bae'bee...
So for exposing your lies and hypocrisy in Christianity, that means I'm supporting Satan
Please try better next time

YAHWEH is not my tongue, it is Hebrew. If your God does not have a name good for you, but i didn't name my God, He introduced Himself by His name to His people.
Am yet to see my.lies you have refuted. Hahahahahaha. Muslims are the same everywhere.

Enjoy whatever you are, i don't care.

shadeyinka:
Man made but wouldn't lead you to hell or away from Christ.

Placebo in the sense that they have psychological values alone. They make us feel good, better or spiritual! Other than that, I don't know what else it does.

But every Church denomination has at least one.

True.

butterflylion:
LMAO so atheists rejected the hope other atheists were offering them?

What they told the organisers was simple.

We all know we are hopeless so how can you who is among the hopeless now want to offer me "reasons to hope" when even I know you are hopeless.

Mathew 15:14



Cutemadridista and dalaman come and see o. They said atheists reject a hopeless invitation. LMAO I don die with laugh for here o


https://reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

Cc emmanystone and ishilove please help me call the other atheists attention abeg una.

Fantasticlala abi na lalasticlala and mynd44 front page sturvs dey here o.

Make I call seun like God called Adam.

Seun ooooo omo baba mukomuko where art thou?

Lolzzzzzzz.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
1) And by what inspiration was the Old testament written? I'd like to bear in mind the curious case of "Songs of Solomon" as well...[/quote]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy:3:16
If i remember correctly, i said three offices were endued with the Holy Spirit to carry out God's Agenda in the OT.
1. The Prophetic
2. The Priesthood.
3. The Kingship.
These three offices were ordained or anionted with oil to recieve the Holy Ghost who enabled them function supernaturally.

2) The Spirit in man, where did it come from?

God created man first a Spirit bfore he gave him flesh to live and function in a natural/physical world. The Bible says we are created in God's image.
Question is, what is the Image of God?

Jesus in John 4:24 told us what the image of God is;God is a Spirit...
If God is a Spirit and He created us in His image, who then are we? Aren't we Spirits?

Yes, we are first spirits before humans. God created the phyaical/material/tangible earth, not for the Spirits to dwell in but flesh, hence He took from the earth's material, Clay, and formed a body/house/a Tabernacle/tent/building.2Cor 4:13, 2Cor 5:1-10
John:4:24. When you read those scriptures you'd see that we humands are wearing the flesh like we are wearing clothes. At death, we shall drop what we took from here and proceed to where Spirits live.

But, that spirit is not the Holy Spirit.
[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
3) What is the difference between Spirit and Soul? I am asking because based on the part of your quote I bolded in red, you said God created man as Spirit first...did you mean spirit or soul?

Both Spirit and Soul are intanggible components of the man.
SPIRIT== is the Image of YHWH in which we were created in. God is a Spirit, but He intended or still intends that humans live and operate in the physical realm where things appear, hence he gave us a material body. But, He also needed to fellowship with Man and without a Spirit in man, man won't have access to Him, hence Man's spirit.
That's why they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John:4:24
The Spirit is that part of us that connects to and with the creator for the purpose of worship and fellowship.

When we worship or fellowship, we fuse into God and become one, like a man and his wife becoming fused together in sex.

THE SOUL===This is our Minds. Emotions, Desires. Our Conscience. Our conciousness. Our abilities. Our essence. The Power house of a man. The center of decision making.
Here we love or hate, here we forgive or revenge, from here we involve or engage in sin. The soul swares the body to do it's bidding.

When God created Adam, or rather formed Him here on earth, If Adam didn't have a soul, he would be lacking in abilities to function and administrate his environment. His conciousness made him aware of his surrounding and the knowledge of what to do.

The Soul is the center of the Spirit and the body. As matter of fact. The Soul determines if a man stays focused or not. The body is just a vehicle which conveys the Soul and Spirit depending on which is more alive and active a man.

E.g. if the Spirit is redundant, the soul yields towards lust. It commands the body. If the mind sees a beautiful girl, lust begins to well up, the soul commands the body to move towarss to girl, words are formed in the mind, but the body (mouth) speaks it. The mind forms word which entices the girl, if the girl agrees, the body goes into fornication, but it is the soul which gets the satisfaction (urge)from the act of sin.

If the Spirit is active, the Spirit resists the urge propelled by the Soul to go ahead and talks to the girl. And if the Spirit is more active than the soul, the body stays in place.

SIN IS COMMITTED IN THE SOUL. THE SPIRIT NEVER SINS.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
4) What is conscience, and who speaks through it? What did the Bible mean by God writing His laws in the hearts of men?[/quote]Your Conscience is your Soul. To what you pay allegiance to, you bow. Our consciences are alive to be pricked when we sin if we are yielded to God. Romans 6:16 says 'Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But, some whose Consciences or souls are not yielded to God, they pay allegiance to something else. And they'll automatically obey what obtains there. There are people without Consciences. In 1Tim 4:1-2 the Holy Spirit warns us that to be careful of these kind.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

God speaking to us through our conscience, means, He naturally at creation places in us the consciousness of right and wrong, hence when you sin you just know you have sinned. When Adam sinned, he wasn't told to hide, he hid.

No one is thought to steal, you just steal becos of the Adamic nature, and when that happens, you just know it's wrong. If a boy of 3 picks a piece of meat without being asked to, when he hears footsteps, he hides it, why? He knows without being told that he has done something wrong. That's natural.

THAT IS THE LIKENESS OF GOD IN MAN, but some loose it as they go deeper and deeper into darkness.

[author=OkCornel post=66027644]
5) Can you also help shed some light on these verses (NIV Translation)?;
Proverbs 20 v 27: The human spirit is the lamp of the LORD that sheds light on one's inmost being.[/quote]The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.
Proverbs:20:27[/quote]This is what i said before. It is in, or with our Spirits that YHWH communicates and relates, give directions or instructions to us his sheep. If your spirit is death, you can't hear Him.

Let me give you example of what happend on 4 of March. I have work am doing with the orphanage. And you know that orphanage takes from you but gives you nothing but Joy.

I needed money to do certain things, i didn't have it. I was woried a little. I slept and dreamed. I went to friend and asked for financial assistance, i didn't tell him what i needed the money for, i just asked. He gave to me and left. Immidiately he walked away, i heard a voice behind me saying 'Never you beg to do my work, i can provide for my work'. My eyes just flunk open and i was stattled, really shaken when i woke up.

Did i imagine that? No. He is trying to teach me Trust and Dependance on Him in my time of need.

So, He sees your spirit through His own spirit.

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Job 32 v 8: But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.[/quote]But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding
Job:32:8
This explains what i said nah. The man is a Spirit, he is just temporally living in the flesh.

What that scripture is saying is 'Without Me (God) you can do nothing. Understanding, wisdom, knowledge all comes from God.


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Genesis 2 v 7: Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.[/quote]Before He formed man, He had already created him.

Before Adam appeared, infact before all the animals or trees appeared to be seen with physical eyes, He had already created them in the spirit realm.

See Genesis 2:5
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis:2:5

Take Note of before it was in the Earth

Check Amplified version.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:5 When no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up...

But in Genesis 1 all had been created and their Mandates given.

God created Man a Spirit, then forned clay and put the Spirit he had created in the clay, the clay got up and began to walk and talk.

mubbyzhe:
Like I said, if any witch doctor placed a curse on you, does that mean you're being cursed?

I didn't answer this stupid question before because i felt, 'Who will ask a question this dumb?'.

If a sorcerer places a curse of drunkenness on you, what will you become to manifest the effect of the curse? You drink and become a drunk.

So, Yes Muhammed was placed under a curse of sexual perversion and we saw that manifest by him going crazy with se.x. He became a pedophile. He had sex with a 9yrs old child. Conspired and broke the home of his son and married the wife. He killed a man on his wedding day, captured the wife and raped her that same day. Even with 11 wives, he kept masturbating and pouring the sperms on little Aisha, also having sex with women even when they were under their periods.

He had innumerable sex slaves. He had visions of demons in hell as 72 virgins which he will continue having se.x with when he dies and goes there. because of that, he died with his pen.is standing up errect. The only man who died but his manhood didn't die.

mubbyzhe:
Well, from what I know, he consummated his marriage at age 9 here's an excerpt from one of the hadith. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Yes, at 9yrs no girl has breast. No pubic hair. Nothing to arouse sexual urgh from a normal man. What attracted Muhammed in a child like that?

At 13 I was still bathing naked outside. I never knew i was a girl who shd hide her body, because i was never under a threat by any man around. How will a man desire a child if that man is not sick as a result of demon possession?

Pls answer me sincerely. Have you ever had se x with a 9yrs old girl?

Can you give your 9yrs daughter to a 53 yrs old man to have sex with?

Do you know Aisha never got pregnant because of what Muhammed did to her fragile womb?

Chai. The thought of it alone, makes me mad.

mubbyzhe:
Another one : Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:I'm
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
So you can bring your evidence to disprove the Age 9, that it's actually age 6... or let me help you, age 9 too is wrong, right? well, for me it is wrong too, but what will I do about it? I'm not God, or father of Aisha. I'm only here to say the truth, and you and I shouldn't let religion cloud our judgment in saying the truth, by distorting the fact.

I didn't say he had se.x with her when she was six. I said he masturbated in front of her and thighed her. Put her thighs together incerted his pen.is and thruatwd until he ejaculated. A man of 53 could do that to a chuld of 6. A child who had not yet changed her milk teeth.

Isaiah:48:22
There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked.
Muhammed was a very wicked man. Infact the most wicked man who ever lived on earth. There's no amount of peace you'd wish him will bring him peace in Hell.

mubbyzhe:
Note: I'm neither Muslim nor Christian, not even an atheist, or traditional worshipper, I just believe in God (by loving humanity and that's where it ends) not the Jew/Arab/Christian/Buddhist/ or many other religion's God

Hahahahahahahahahahahha. So what is the name of your God? Don't tell me he is nameless.

And, you lie. If you weren't a muslim your previous posts wouldn't present you as one.

All the Amalekites killings you posted and all. Oh wait, every non-Christian has a way of taking sides with satan and his religion.

Matinoh:
Ezekiel 33:11 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy
people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him
in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the
wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from
his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his
righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
living in sin and falling into sin?? a friend once mentioned this. I need biblical illustrations..
NOTE: WE ARE NOT ARGUING, JUST LEARNING THE WORD.

Where you quoted from is Ezekiel 33:12 not 11.

And pls read that passage from verse one to get the context.

What YHWH is asking for here is Intercessors
Men to stand in the gap, praying for God to forgive the sins of the people and warning them against the wrath of God.
That verse has nothing to do with making your own to be in a right standing with God.

Besides, this is the OT when the people didn't have the grace enabled by the Holy Spirit to overcome transgressions. Their era is different from ours, hence they don't relate.
The New life/Nature we have, they didn't have.

Brother, pls always read preceding and adjoining verses of scriptures so that you'd get the context, because when scriptures are taken out of context they can mean whatever you want them to mean and it's dangerous. Remember they are sharp both sides. They can kill and make alive, depending on how they are used.

Matinoh:
I have heard this before and I'm sorry to say I don't feel comfortable with it... It's the "grace doctrine". It encourages sin. Imagine how comfortable a weak Christian will be when he eventually sees this write-up.
In Philippians 2:12-13, Paul beseeched us to continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

What do you mean by 'The Doctrine of Grace'?
Isn't it by grace that we are saved? As gentiles, we have no right whatsoever to be called the Seed of Abraham or to be partakers on his covenant. What did you as a person do to be accepted into the covenant YHWH made with Abraham? Nothing. Did you even know if there was a covenant or what it meant?

What did you contribute to the death and resurrection of Christ which bought you redemption? Did you even know you needed salvation until it came?
It's a gift, that is why it is grace.

Brother you took those scriptures out of context. Let's see them with context. To understand the context lets read from verse one, because the wherefore which began the verse two is linking you to what has been said in the previous verses.

Philipians Chapter 2 took precedence from chapter 1 and verse 29 and 30. Here is what it says;

For you have been given the privilege of serving Christ, not only by believing in him, but also by suffering for him. Now you can take part with me in the battle. It is the same battle you saw me fighting in the past, and as you hear, the one I am fighting still

NOTE: You have been given the Privilege to serve Christ as His servants. You can't serve without receiving salvation first (you did nothing to earn it).

Then reading Chapter 2 from verse 1 down to 12 and 13 you quote explains what the spirit is saying there.

Let's take it from diff. Translations.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians:2:12

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Philippians:2:13

What does 'Work out your own salvation' here means?

Let's see what Amplified say.

Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my dear ones, as you have always obeyed [my suggestions], so now, not only [with the enthusiasm you would show] in my presence but much more because I am absent, work out (cultivate, carry out to the goal, and fully complete) your own salvation with reverence and awe and trembling (self-distrust, with serious caution, tenderness of conscience, watchfulness against temptation, timidly shrinking from whatever might offend God and discredit the name of Christ).

See verse 13?

[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight.

So, what 'Work out your own salvation' here means is comparable to what Apostle Paul said in Romans 12 verse 2; 'And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God'.. If you note, it says 'Ye' over and over.

The Spiritual rebirth has taken place in you without your effort, but, living on will be your duty. You will make effort to endure hardship, overcome the temptation to sin. Do not compromise by going back to your old ways of life.

Working out your own salvation means, keeping faith. If you were a thief before salvation, the temptation to steal will still come, but do not do it. If you were sexually immoral, the urge for sex will still come, don't do it. If you were a liar, the need for you to lie to have your way will still come, tell the truth instead. ^^^ this is all your effort, God won't do this for you.

A covenant is enacted by two parties. He saved your spirit from eternal death, you must make effort to live according to the specification of the kingdom until to enter into it by death.

PastorLucifer:
Where did you see all these?

Disney Channel?

What? Are you saying there's no Church of satan or Satanic Bible?

Are you saying you (Lucifer) does not pretend to be God and accept worship from humans?

Why are you PastorLucifer is instead of just agent of satan?

When the man you possessed with demons, what did he say? 'Plssssss, don't destroy us before our time'

Why are you such a coward? Even to humans who are weak and ignorant of who you are, you still hide your identity and cover up your sataness. That is too weak nah.

Bare your face and see how many will.follow.