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shadeyinka:
It is well indeed.
I seldom quarel with Christians when they adopt some placebo doctrines. Every denomination has them.

Like in my church, you can't take Holy Communion if you have not been baptized by immersion.

It is placebo because it can not be substaciatef by the scriptures...but it was meant to allow only matured Christians from partaking in the Communion.

So these man made doctrines are called placebo doctrines. Hmmm. I never knew.

OkCornel:
Very good...the scriptural reference clears up a lot...

1) So how is this different from what I said about conscience earlier on this thread?
2) How does this also invalidate what I said about how the Spirit of man is a fragment of God in him?

Now you are validating it with these scriptures...but if you deny, I can dig up the posts here for you again...

God created everyone first and foremost a spirit before giving man a body to dwell in. The likeness of God is the mind of God which tells you you have done right or wrong. But that is not the Holy Spirit.

In the old testament very few sectedted men had the Holy Spirit. Kings, Preists, and Prophets. But all others still were spirit beings living in a physical body.

On the day of Pentecost the Holy Spirit was given to all those who believed in Jesus.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
John:1:33

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John:3:5

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John:14:26

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts:1:8

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Acts:2:4

And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Acts:19:1

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Acts:19:2

And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts:19:6


Have you seen that the Holy Ghost is an external power which comes into the believers not the conscience in man as you said?

I didn't want to answer you when you mentioned it before..

OkCornel:
You've never had an encounter with God... you are repeating what you've read in a book for me...

Did God reveal Himself to you? if yes...what name did He call Himself?

Did He reveal Himself to you via a burning bush or a dream? I really want to know this experience... unless, you have never had one...

See? Hahahahahahahahahahaha. You jump over points but you want to keep typing and posting nonsense. I don't have your time today

So, the Bible is just a book for you? See why i call you a pretend and you say i insult you?

So, YHWH did not tell me that He is YHWH meaning my salvation is invalidated?

Abeg, Gerarahia mhen

Lucifer why can't you stand on your own and be relevant without leaning of Christianity and what relates to her?

You have the Satanic 'Bible'. Why call your book Bible?

You have the 'Church' of satan. Why not another term?

You use the cross, only you turn up side down. Why?

You call yourself 'Pastor'. Why not agent of satan?

You call yourself 'God', or Lord. Why not just satan?

Why do you mask yourself and pretend to be what you are not?

In the abyss is where you'll end. Fire and brim Stone shall be your final dwelling place for entity.

Enh,wait. Why were crying begging the Lord Jesus Christ not to destroy you before your time?

Why do show your power only to weak and decieved sons of men but run from fellow Angels?

Can you stand Angel Michael?

CuteMadridista:
Who is running away? lmao!

The topic is clear enough, slavery wasn't forbidden in the bible, if you disagree you're the one to present YOUR own argument for where slavery was forbidden with scriptures

Pls post scriputes making your stance bare. You began this not i. Am just honouring you by agreeing to have this discussion with you.

Infact, i for like make we open a new thread for this.

I don't make claims i can't defend.

OkCornel:
You never bother to understand one's point of view before rushing to conclusions...

You have decided to call the one True God by the name YHWH...not necessarily because you had a personal encounter with Him like Moses did...
but because of what you've read in the Bible and what you've been told...


As long as there are diverse languages here on this earth...I wish you the best in finding out God's real name...

So, i Emmanystone, called the God of Israel Jehovah?
As in i Christined Him by giving Him the name of YHWH/Jehovah? Hahahahahahahahaha. Dis guy no go kee me o.

shadeyinka:
Not only white garment churches but fundermental Yoruba churches like CAC and the likes.

Placebo Doctrines are doctrines that are not spiritually correct but are not injurious to our salvation.

Eg.

Putting on Prayer Garments
Not putting on sandals inside the church
Not putting on ear rings
Not using makeups for ladies
Not perming the hair for Ladies
Saying Amen! Three times after a prayer
White fasting

Oh okay. It is well.

OkCornel:
My dear...going by the bolded, I do not in anyway doubt Jesus is the way to God...

When you change your mind about this? So you now prayer to YHWH through Jesus?

OkCornel:
I asked you a simple question on those who were judged by their works on the day of the great white throne judgment in the book of revelation... for those whose names were written in the book of life without knowing Jesus...how is that possible?

If you read the Bible once in a while you'd have answers to that.
Here... But, i know you would jjmp over it to ask me another question.

For there is no respect of persons with God.
Romans:2:11

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans:2:12

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans:2:13

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans:2:14

Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;
Romans:2:15
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans:2:16

OkCornel:
I haven't gotten a feedback from you or any Christian on this matter...

I ignored you on purpose, because no one who claims he/she is a Christian can ask a question like this. See why i call you a pretender? You are trying to belong here when you do not.

OkCornel:
b]Note that the great white throne judgement comes after the Millennial reign of Christ...and those who believe in Him...[/b]

Please give me a direct answer without any need for hasty accusations...

I don't accuse you, i tell it as it is.

Do you even know what will happen at the Great White Throne Judgement?

Do you know no believer in Christ will appear before the Great White Throne?

@CuteMadridista. I'm waiting for you here.

Pls present your own arguements with scriptures. And pls don't run away.

CuteMadridista:
Its already been discussed at length in the past here

https://www.nairaland.com/3508437/god-jesus-didnt-forbid-slavery

This one happened this week

https://www.nairaland.com/4405316/thank-god-slavery

Okay, can we go.over there and leave this thread alone?

Let's go.

OkCornel:
Per the bolded...YOU SEE MY PROBLEM WITH YOU... YOU MAKE HASTY CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE DETAILS!!!

What will it cost you to go through the video before understanding my point of view?

You know what...I made a huge mistake mentioning you... don't bother going through the video... and keep on accusing me falsely of putting YHWH in the category of Demons...

Sciencewatch butterflylion...please spare a few minutes and go through the video I posted a few minutes earlier...Emmanystone is hell bent on accusing me falsely...

Please go through the video and tell me where YHWH and Demons were grouped together...

Thanks for keeping my moniker out of your mouth. Thanks.

Demons worship everywhere.

CuteMadridista:
Nope but Christianity is based on the bible which supports slavery

Maybe you shd open a thread lets trash that instead of trying to derail this thread.

Can you do that? Am waiting.

OkCornel:
I didn't mention you with the intention of arguing with you...

I beg you in the name of God that you believe in...watch the video...

If you have gone through it and you think it is a lie...feel free to insult me

Maybe when you keep mentioning insults, it will mean i really insulted you. I barely asked you questions which you evade.

Have i ever called you stupid or a fool? Have i called you an idiot?

I called you a pretender becos you are. You have a motive or intention to mislead.
You came up acting like you believed in YHWH and Jesus, but down the line i discovered you didnt. You have a hiddedn deity you worship which you'd never name.

You openely denied Jesus Christ as the only way to the Father, (by indirectly calling him a liar) as he said no one can get to God except through him.

Too many pretentious stance.

And here you are again, posting the origin of religions, hoping you can robe YHWH into the same class with demons which have been masking as gods for men to worship them

When you have something reasonable to say, mention me.

OkCornel:
Good morning everyone,

Hi Emmanystone, ifenes...

I came across this 19 minutes animated video from Truthunedited...

Please take out time to go through it. It will be very helpful in sorting out the OP...and the back and forth we had on religion, Anu, Enki, Sumerian religion and all sorts...

I am quite sure you will enjoy this...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdsJs0UIm7s


If you go through this video from beginning to end and you feel it's not worth... feel free to insult me, I don't mind...
It's insightful...

You are hung on religion. If you note, you are the only one in this thread who keeps mentioning religion and no matyer how many times you are told Christianity is a relationship with Christ, you insist on obstinately referring to it as a religion.

I will go back and watch that video if you'd tell me the religion YHWH gave to.Adam in Eden, what religion did he give to Abraham? Moses, Daniel, David, and all the OT faithfuls and which did Jesus gave to the Apostles?

From Adam to me, YHWH called us into a relationship. A family of a Father and his Children in His domian/His Kingdom.

I am not a religious person, i have a relationship with my Father. So that video is not for me.

No religious person calls his God father, only the
Judo-Christian faith does that.

Is Enk abi na Anui father to ifenes? But YHWH is my father.

Matinoh:
Thanks... What of when a believer falls and died just about when he was to ask for forgiveness. HELL OR HEAVEN?

Listen carefully because i know you must have heard this before but did not take it in.

What takes us to Hellfire is not the ACT, of sin. It is not the lie you told, the fish or money you stole, or that girl you just had sex with. It is a NATURE of Sin that takes you there.

SIN is;
S=====SATAN'S
I======IMPOST
N=====NATURE.
when you have this nature, you are dead in the Spirit.

When you have the renewed Nature which only Christ can give. The nature Adam lost in Eden. It is the only prerequisite to enter heaven. It's like dress code.

A sinner (one with satans nature) is lifeless in the Spirit realm, as in, the body he has can not access God's kingdom and no one in the physical body (this flesh) can enter also, that leaves him with no other option than to go to where others like him are.

Satan although a spirit but is dead spiritually in the sense that, he is enstranged from the presence of God, so that's where tbose with his nature will be.

Now, a believer who falls into sin, does not stop being a believer just because he fell into sin. Just like a toddler does not cease from being a child of his parents just because he peed on himself.

Again, note, many believers will enter heaven, but won't have rewards. Meaning, if a believer has the spirit of God but falls into sin, (note, FALLS INTO) not live in it, his father will pick him up.

Now also not that, God is not a man who sees only the face and not the heart. If you sin and about to repent but falls and dies, God sees, that you are sorry.

Matinoh:
thanks for this enlightenment.. I pray we all live above sin

My dear, it's my desire. Sin is a deases of the spirit. When we sin, we use our hands to poison our spirits. It's like, taking HIV infected blood and injecting it into our blood streams.

If only we know, we will cry out for grace and do all to abstain from sinning.

Sin is very bad.

How can one by himself kill himself?

shadeyinka:
White fast is not mentioned anywhere in the scriptures. It is mainly practiced by fundermental Yoruba churches where you will break your fast with mainly white food (no palm oil, pepper, etc).

They will break with Hot or cold pap, yam, potatoes etc as long as it isn't "coloured".

Any spiritual value in it? Certainly NOT but I consider it as one of those placebo doctrines within the Body of Christ

Sir, pls expand on the bolded more.

If this is optainable in the body of Christ, trust me, i'd know about it.

Or is it prevalent in the white garment Churches?

sirBLUNT:
just google white fasting you will read more bro

My brother, abi na sister, as Christians shd google be our guide to living a Christian life. YHWH will judge us by the Word of God, why shd we consult google here?

Satan has a way of shifting focus from the miror o. It is the mirror of the word that shows us if we are inline or out o.

Test all spirits by the Word, not outside it bros.

[quote author=mubbyzhe post=66018890][/quote]Are youndenying all i said? Are you denying that a witch doctor didn't curse Muhammad and the curse affected him?

You deny that Muhammed a 53 yrs old pedophile did not thigh Aisha at 6yrs?

Deny it never happened.

CuteMadridista:
exactly! so OP is trash!!

Is the Op about slavery?

sirBLUNT:
white fast or daniel fast as it is called is just the regular fast we do but the difference is in how we break the fast in a white fast you can only break the fast with fruits,vegetables or water it means you have to stay away from salt,pepper,oil,sugar and all that just be on a natural diet!

This is the kind of fast Daniel did? Sure? Pls where did you get the term 'White?'.

I have never heard that there's a fast where you don't eat pepper, salt and the likes.

Daniel abstained from CHOICED FOODS, becos he was a very high official in the Babylonian government, hence his food was glorious. But he didn't eat those sumptuous meals. The Bible didn't say he abstained completely from food, but from certain food. And how to break is very insignificant in fasting.

What God is after is the motive of the fast, and what you do during the fast.

Yes, that is because he is an Aaron to Oyedepo. His ministry comes alive only under Oyedepo.

sirgalahad26:
it is the period u eat food that doesnt contain oil,sugar,pepper,salt,milk,tea etc.
to me its simply natural diet!

Where is this specified in the Bible pls?

shadeyinka:
I replied this post and received a ban by over zealous BOTS.

There is nothing extra spiritual with what you use to break your fast. Except your fast includes not eating "rich" food. That is what Daniel calls "I eat nothing pleasant". Although my opinion is that if you are not a multimillionaire, you don't have any business with this kind of fast.

A multimillionaire may fast by drinking Garri and Water 3 times a day for 21 days. It is a fast because his normal meal is extremely rich.

To detoxify your body : fast with water alone or break with dilute citrus drink.

To cleans your mind, Fill it exclusively with the word of God (Fast talking with people/go into seclusion) while hearing messages, spiritual songs, read books and the bible.

A fast is not because of God: a fast is to discipline yourself so that we can concentrate on things to edify our spirit and soul.

Shalom

What is white Fast pls? Anywhere in scriptures mentions white fast?

sirBLUNT:
pls what kind of food can i break with during the white fasting?

Pls what is a white fast? I have never heard of it.

CuteMadridista:
Supporting slavery is not hard

No, it's not, but being a demons possessed is indeed very hard isn't it?

How are the demons tearing at you today?

Matinoh:
I really like your response but it still leads to more questions.. pardon me cos I really want to know lol.. So what separates us from unbelievers is the ability to feel remorseful after indulging in sinful acts and asking for forgiveness. so where will believers that sin and about to Ask for forgiveness go? hell or heaven?.. I have heard a sermon where d teacher said all you have to do to make heaven is to believe,( John 3:16) .. pardon my inquisitive mind

What makes us different from unbelievers is not a guarantee to keep sinning because we can feel remorse, No. What makes us different is that, we have a new nature which abhores sin. The believer who is indeed led by the spirit, hates sin. But that doesn't mean he won't trip and fall once in a while, he will. But, he gets up with tears and regrets asking God for grace never to.go back there.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John:2:1

The Grace to not to.sin is given to us, but our father, just like earthly parents knows that, it won't be automatic to get up and never fall, hence, Christ stands as our lawyer to defend our frailty until we grow and mature spiritually and stop sinning.

When we were kids, we all peed on the bed, but as we grew, we stopped. Anytime we wake up and discobered we had peed we become ashamed, we try to hide. We make efforts to stop peeing on the bed.

That is how it is with being in Christ. We grow gradually, rising and falling until our feet bcoms firm. It doesn't happen one day, and when we sin, we cry out for forgiveness and grace to scale through. No believer enjoys sin. Na lie.

But the case of your friend is different. He is excusing himself to remain in sin.

Matinoh:
hi bro. I have a friend dat prays and studies the Bible very well and also meditates regularly. you will be amazed if you hear him teach God's word. Yet he smokes, fornicates, and even do Yahoo.
each time I confronted him of his deeds, he always tell me we are not righteous by our own efforts. So I'm kinda confuse

1 Corinthians 9:27 I discipline my body and bring it under complete control, to keep myself from being disqualified after having called others to the contest.

It is by their fruits that you know who they are, not by what they say they are.

That your friend is the type who will one day get to a very hard point in his life. A point where money won't answer him. Nothing would, then he will cry out to God he doesn't regard or honour, when he does not get any answers, he will come to nairaland shouting, 'I was a Christian for 15 yrs, i preached, prayed, won souls, i did everything, only for ne to realize God doesn't exist, because i called and called and called to Him, but no answer came. He doesn't exist.

In Church are still goats that will eventually cross over to the Goatherd. There are sheep who are also still with the Goatherd, will eventually cross over to the shepherd.

Your friend is a goat trying to weaken the sheep.

bahaushe1:
How can one man's sin be carried by his descendants? Every man for himself. Prophet Adam (AS) committed a sin, became remorseful and sought forgiveness and was forgiven.

That is why Allah is not YHWH.

SuperSuave:
Someone told me this week that "There's joy in Christianity" I said "really?" she was surprised cos I go to church also

There's in deed JOY in the life of a Christian. Not someone who goes to.church, but someoen who has Christ. Life's circumstances does not dictate your state of mind.