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FOLYKAZE:
A ṣègbé kan o sí. Eni guro ika, aya a je, omo re a je, oun na a wewe sun. One does not plant okra and expect to reap yam. It is more like a cause and effect. Who would judge a wild animal who feast on a little baby when the nature of that animal is to eat anything it can subdue and has flesh?

There is no Hell. Ifa didn't mention anything like that. We have Aboku sooro and no one has ever claimed he went to hell or stuff.

That is what i said nah. There's no evil in the Yoruba cosmology be that nah. Everybody dey do good abi?

FeelDeMusic:
Excuse me LOL What do you mean by this? My screenname just means to enjoy the music, to feel it in you, in yo heart and yo soul! hahaha That's all.

I see.

UDUJ:
Seun should start working on a block button for nairaland

Plus, a dislike button.

postmann:
Freeze is the devil's favourite toy.

Only for a time. When he(devil) finds another stooge, Freeze will be descarded, like a used sanitary pad.

CuteMadridista:
Freeze wouldn't have been this popular if people simply ignored him, the more you criticise someone, the more popular they become and the more admirers they win

True. I knew that from the start and ignored him. That guy has really tried to make a name for himself as an On Air Personality, he failed. He tried being famous as aa an MC he failed, he is trying bashing men of God, he is now a super star.

With all the people being killed by Herdsmen in Nigeria, he is not interested in those lives, he is only interested in those who work and pay their own money as Tithes

No shakes, he has started a Church, let's see how he'll fare.

FOLYKAZE:
Wow. This sounds more interesting. I am hearing of those names for the first time.

More added points.

Esu is not anti God. He does not drag supremacy with Eledumare.

Esu was not sent down from heaven. The best access of reaching other Orisha and Eledumare is through Esu.

Okay. So, we settle for 'No satan' in the Yoruba cosmology/Mythology' (?)

Hmmm. I just learn something here. No being is totally evil in the African Traditional religion. No Heaven, no Hell.

Only the realm of the Ancestors.

Meaning the wickedness in this world will not be recompensed. No wonder the hearts of men are set in them to keep doing evil. No Recompense of Tribulation.

But, what if there's indeed Hellfire? I mean, what if A Yoruba traditionalist dies discovers there's indeed Hellfire, Heaven and satan?

MuttleyLaff:
Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces;
anyone on whom it falls will be crushed."
- Matthew 21:44

Anyone who stumbles over you that stone will be broken to pieces,
and it will crush anyone it falls on."
- Matthew 21:44 NLT

And in their hands they shall bear you up,
lest at any time you dash your foot against a stone.
- Luke 4:11

There was no need for that, except that you're giving him too much credit
Be unmindful of Matthew 21:44 at your own peril

All you've written above is hogwash.
No one is denying the natural representation of Orisha. While we know that Osun is a water (h20) on the surface, there is more to it on the spirtual aspect when we dig more.
So you telling us that Egungun is simply man who hides under the veil brings to the point that you know absolutely nothing about ATS.

Simply tell us what ajogun is and their benevolent attribute to existence

Sir, pls take it easy, lets learn from both of you.
No need to be hash.I know FOLYKAZE,
and he is completely right, it is hogwash, plus mostly unashamed copy and paste, lifted word for word, from online content

What I found amusing,
was that, I immediately knew the post, which at the end of, as a frightener, he appended shadeyinka moniker to, was a "copy and paste"
because I recognised the post's content being from a website, I had a long time ago, previously bookmarked due to it being informative.
You know me, living in the Bible, doesnt prevent me travelling and/or go places

I totally subscribe to travelling to such places, without which you wouldn't know what is going on around you.

Other religions of the world knows so much about Christianity and her literature, but the Christians know very little about them, hence, they have a way of being deceitful and drawing unsuspecting Christians away.

I read everything printed in English.

MuttleyLaff:
Emmmanystone fyi
Esudara means, Esu is good,
Esubiyi means, Esu, birth-gave this,
Esusola means, Esu architected this wealth

Apparently, it was Bishop Ajayi Crowther whilst translating the Bible to Yoruba language
who fitted Esu up to be Satan based on Esu having a similar modus operadi like Satan

FOLYKAZE, if not entirely bad, why at all, is Esu bad?
Why and what do some people join Esu cult for?
Is Esu, a law unto itself or Esu is answerable to a higher power?

Did you mean to type completely, instead of complicated?

Meaning, Esu is not evil, but to have a satan in the Bible, he was given the place of satan the devil?

But, the cult, what is it for?

OkCornel:
And if you were born a muslim, what name will you call the Almighty God?

Please give me a direct answer and don't evade this question...

Why are you soooo..., this not about anything Islam, pls don't stir this away to Islam again. I won't follow you there, am not stupid.

You either say the name of the Almighty God or you forget it.

The Muslims don't have a nameless god, they name their Almighty God. What is the name of the Almighty God OtemAtum talked about?

Is Allah the name of the Almighty God you are referring to?

OkCornel:
And Jesus that called God Heavenly Father....do you know more than Him?

You call your father papa or Daddy, is that his name? What is wrong with you abeg?

OkCornel:
I can't keep? But you told us earlier that the writer of the Epic of Gilgamesh copied from Genesis...

And now I can't keep? I suggest you do some more research on the matter before arguing back and forth...

Now you want to discuss Op? No longer interested in doing it with you. Again, you can't keep up. You'll keep derailing.

FeelDeMusic:
Folykaze, I replied to your email, did you receive it?

Am trying to get into your Moniker 'FeelDeMusic'. In a good way, as in to enjoy it or you or to endure it as a result of something bad i did?

FOLYKAZE:
No.

Esu is not entirely bad. He protects, defend, bless and sometime uphold justice for Mankind. Yoruba people name their children after Esu. We have names like Esudara, Esubiyi, Esusola. There are also some people who join Esu cult. If Esu is entirely bad, no one would have embrace it. This is unlike Satan that is complicated evil.

Sir, the satanists will disagree with you on this. To them satan is not bad at all. He blesses them with wealth, protection, Some get children from him (as they claim)

The call him the Humanist. They believe he is closer to them and answers them quickly when they call.

And they are names after him too. Devilin. Satin (female name for satan) Devellina, Devellon, Devellin, Devin, Devlyn,

FOLYKAZE:
All you've written above is hogwash. No one is denying the natural representation of Orisha. While we know that Osun is a water (h20) on the surface, there is more to it on the spirtual aspect when we dig more. So you telling us that Egungun is simply man who hides under the veil brings to the point that you know absolutely nothing about ATS.

Simply tell us what ajogun is and their benevolent attribute to existence

Sir, pls take it easy, lets learn from both of you. No need to be hash.

vaxx:
According to Yoruba cultural myth, we also believe they are some unseen natural element that dwells in the tree , rocks and some other mystical dwelling places, they are called EBORA, IWIN, egbere.... there is a myth that if you can collect egbere mat, you will suddenly become rich, this egbere cries without pause. that is just is nature

Sir, do Egbere and Ebora have English replicas? Asin, is there a term you can use to desceibe them so we the none Yoruba speaking can get along?

FOLYKAZE:
Firstly, a deistism is a philosophical position that holds that God (in this case here Eledumare) does not interfare with the world. Thia posit that God is the source of everything and in a perfect condition but there is absenss of divine intervention. This is a fact because no one has ever engage Olódùmarè directly. There is no dedicated shrine or prophet that speaks with him.

Ori is the spark of consciousness and it is integral part of all the entities that exist in the physical world. Ori is not peculiar to only human and that mean that we are not the only conscious entity out there. Maybe what you mean by consciousness is sentience. But the Yoruba people hold that emi (life) and ori (consciousness) is present in every entity that exist. Emi in this case is not biological life but energy. Have you ever wondered there are aboku soro in Yoruba community? Do dead talks? This implies that what we assume dead is only biologically dead but still very much alive as a form of energy.

All the animals you can think about has their owm special Ashe. And this includes the trees and inanimate objects. Therefore, one cannot say that Eledumare is anthropocentric.

Ajoguns who are malevolent agents of Esu can cause one or whole community calamity. This is why Yoruba people appease Esu not to unleash his agent on them with this saying, Èṣù máse mi, ọmọ èlò mi ni ki o se

So, can Esu be termed as Satan then?

Thebrightest:
JESUS IS A JOKE! GOD IS A JOKE! RELIGION IS A JOKE!

Really? Why then are you talking about them?

Abbertee2:
We live in a world where 2 + 2 = 5, Just as 1 + 1 +1 = 1
If you are confused �,
Who is god?
Jesus
Is Jesus the son of Mary?
Yes
Who created Mary?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus
Jesus is the begotten son.
Yes
Who is his father?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Jesus is a servant of God?
Yes
Who is God?
Jesus.
Jesus died on the cross?
Yes
Who resurrected him?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus
Jesus is a messenger?
Yes
Who sent him?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Did Jesus worship while on earth? Yes
Whom did he worship?
God.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Did God have a beginning?
No....
Then who was born on 25 DEC?Jesus.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Where's God?
In heaven
How many are there in heaven?Only one God.
Where's Jesus?
He is sitted on the right hand of his father.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Then how many are they in heaven?
Only one God
Then how many seats?
One
Where's Jesus?
Seated next to God.
Then how are they seated?
On one chair
Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.
Who is God?
Jesus.
Ha haha what a confusion. So beautiful to be a Muslim, Allah (SWT) have mercy on us all and grant us His straight path for us not to go astray

FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE:

1. Shahada(mark 12:29)
2. Salat(matthew 26:39)
3. Zakat(Hebrew 10:24)
4. Fasting(Matthew 4:1-1)
5. Hajj(Psalm 84:5-6)

ALBAYAAN MUSLIMS PREACHERS ASSOCIATION

THE TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE

ABLUTION IN THE BIBLE
Leviticus. 19:27
Leviticus. 21:5
Jeremiah. 9:25
1 chronicles. 19:5
Exodus. 30:17
Exodus. 40:30
John. 13:4

HOW TO DRESS IN THE BIBLE
Exodus. 28:1

WOMEN SHOULDN'T SPEAK IN CHURCH
Ezekiel. 13:17
Corinthians. 14:34-38
Tito. 2:3
1 Timothy. 2:11
Revelation. 2:19
1 timothy. 2:8

HOW TO WORSHIP IN THE BIBLE
Genesis. 17:1
Psalm. 95: 6
Ezekiel. 43:3
Kings. 18:39
Psalm. 5:7
Numbers. 20:6
Nehemiah. 8:6
Matthew. 26:36
Matthew. 17:1
Revelation. 7:9

IS WINE/PORK ALLOWED
Leviticus. 11:7
Deuteronomy. 14:8
Isaiah. 65:3
Proverbs. 31:3
Isaiah. 4:11
Amos. 6:5-7
Habakkuk. 2:15
Leviticus. 10:8
Isaiah. 66:17

PROPHECY OF MOHAMMED IN THE BIBLE
Genesis. 49:10
Genesis. 16:7-14
Deuteronomy. 18:18
Deuteronomy. 34:10
Jeremiah. 34:18
Isaiah. 21:13
Isaiah. 19:19
Daniel. 7:13
Mathew. 21:33-43
Galatians. 4:21
John. 1:19-22
John. 14:30
John. 16:7-14
Act. 7:37
John. 14:15
Revelation. 7:9-12
Revelation. 19:10-16

SHARIAH IN THE BIBLE
Deuteronomy. 6:1
Deuteronomy. 13:-1-11
Deuteronomy. 22:13-22
Deuteronomy. 21:18-21
Deuteronomy. 22:25
Mathew. 15:3
Joshua. 1:18
Hebrews. 10:28
Leviticus. 20:9-16
Leviticus. 20:27

According to the Islamic doctrine, Muslims should believe in all the prophets sent by Allah almighty among the prophet are Adam, Noah, Jacob, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed and lives (Quran 3:84)
Pls for d sake of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) try and send this to all your Muslim Contacts so that each muslim will say Astagfirullah wa atubu ilaih ;Astagfirullah wa atubu ilaih;Astagfirullah wa atubu ilaih; before forwarding, and in a few seconds billions will have said it and it may calm Allah's anger. You've got nothing to lose, so pls pass on and receive Allah's forgiveness.

This is why you will be more confused, you depend on others for life to make sense to you. For instance, you copy pasted your Op, if someone decides to discuss your Op with you, you'd run away bocos you didn't write it.

Why not ask questions you can ask by yourself?

OkCornel:
To the Jews and the Christians...God Almighty is YHWH...

To the Muslims...God Almighty is Allah...

But Christians tell the Muslims Allah is not God Almighty...

And I wonder if the Muslims see God Almighty as YHWH...

The funny thing I have found though... is if a Christian were to be born and bred in a Muslim home... he/she would see Allah as Almighty God...
And if the Muslim were to be born in a Christian home... he/she would see YHWH as Almighty God...


What counts at the end of the day is having an encounter with God Almighty... He is TRUTH, and lies can never survive His presence...

Good luck at finding out His real name.... it is beyond the tongues of men...


He only comes down to our level of tongues and languages to reveal Himself...and because of the differences in our tongues, languages and background....we are now fighting ourselves to know His true name...

If you want to stick to the Hebrew versions of His name and force it down the throat of every language and tribe... best of luck...


Jesus gave a name which is simple and straight forward and that name is Heavenly Father. I suggest everyone sticks to this...

Worisdis biko?

Somebody give me the facepalm meme.

Is Allah a father to the Muslims? You want the Muslims to stick to calling their God heavenly Father, is he a father to them?

OkCornel:
Awww...so Christ like of you...

Jesus must be proud of this...

Don't bother about i and my Master. You have no idea how we roll. Whether is proud of me or not, that shouldn't bother you.

Just keep enjoying your truth.

OkCornel:
What exactly do you want?

I said you should face your YHWH and Enki debate and now you're complaining again...

I will do that, but not with you. You can't keep.

OkCornel:
And how did I twist the scriptures?

Are those not the words of Jesus?

I'm really disappointed in your response...

Guy, enjoy your nameless god and his truth. I'm done going back and forth with you.

OkCornel:
Oh... it's now my truth? smh...

please revert back to your Enki and YHWH stuff...

Oh, So now you want to face the Op after you have derailed thread.

OkCornel:
One simple question for you to clarify what I meant about the Truth (God) existing before Jesus came to be... can the Son exist before the Father?



This would be another instance of you misquoting me. I thought a Christian like you would connect the dots when I mentioned God came down in flesh... apparently, I am dealing with someone who has exhibited little understanding so far... so where did I mention God in flesh never had a name?



People who lived and died without knowing or even hearing about Jesus.



John's words are as plain and straightforward in there. I have nothing to add in terms of interpretation.
And where did you get the understanding that works means "according to the sins you committed"?

Oh...so God will judge by the gravity of sin and decide who enters into Heaven or Hell? This is quite amusing I must say...

I was going to respond to this, but thought against it. Not worth it.

Enjoy your truth.

OkCornel:
I repeat again... you are the one equating these men with Jesus...not me.

I was pointing out the fact that these men communicated directly with God.
Didn't Jesus mention in the beatitudes that "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God?"

Stop twisting the scriptures biko. Dat na satan work.

OkCornel:
It's very clear that you are real purpose is to misunderstand me and put me in a bad light...and God who sees your very heart will judge you for this...

Please mention where I equated whosoever to Jesus

Keep up with the lies and false assumptions. I was pointing your attention to the fact these men communicated directly with God!

When did all these now turn into equating them to Jesus? why all these lies and insincerity?

Who were those men and who was Jesus?

Do you even know that mentioning Jesus along side them is equating them to Him?

You even went further to call all of them, including Jesus 'Men', and asked if they had a different head on their necks.

You don't seem to realize what you type.

Jesus is not a man. He may have taken flesh in other to have blood to shed, it didn't make him man.

Ask the demons who always saw Him. What was their testimony?

OkCornel:
Before Jesus existed... the Truth has always been there... stop labelling truth with names...

Before Jesus existed where?

John 1:1-5
In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. From the very beginning the Word was with God.

Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.

The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.

John 1:10-11 The Word was in the world, and though God made the world through him, yet the world did not recognize him.

He came to his own country, but his own people did not receive him.

John 1:14 The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.
JESUS IS THE WORD.

E clear you now?

OkCornel:
Perhaps this was why God came down in flesh to help out confused souls who are hell bent on tagging the truth with a name...

You are sooo confused.
When God came down in human flesh what was His name? Or wait, He didn't have a name. Buahahahahaha

OkCornel:
If you insist God has a laid down method which is Jesus (I don't doubt this method anyways, cos it makes things way easier for me)... then why do you think God also considered judging these categories of people according to their works? Did these people also hear about Jesus in their lifetime here on earth?

Which people?

OkCornel:
12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before [x]God: and the [y]books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 [aa]And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Let me first get your understanding of these verses.

OkCornel:
Read these verses slowly and tell us why these people would be judged according to their works while they face the great white throne judgement... unless you are also telling us John is a mystic as well...

Wait, you expect that you'd steal and you won't be judged for it?

According your works is accroding to the sins you committed.

OkCornel:
Simple questions for you...

Where did the Spirit in man come from? Is it not from God? When man dies, won't this Spirit go back to God being the original owner of it?

Is it not this same Spirit that convicts you on what is right or wrong? Even in the old testament, the book of Job mentioned something in Chapter 32 v 8; There is a Spirit in man, but the inspiration of the Almighty giveth understanding

A sinner is one who consistently chooses to disobey the word of God...and by this I mean instructions from the Spirit of God resident in him...

If you are Spiritually dead...you cannot even know right from wrong... without a Spirit...you are literally dead meat...

You mean human Conscience? Are you mistaking Human Conscience with the Holy Spirit?

So, the Ephesian 2: 1 i posted to you lied?
There's no need for me to keep posting you scriptures if you don't believe them.

OkCornel:
Jesus taught the disciples how to pray. Go through the Lord's prayer carefully and tell us where Jesus referred to any intermediary?Abi He was teaching His disciples to pray to Satan?

YHWH made Jesus the name above every other name, in Heaven, on earth or beneath the earth. Everything is done in that name.

The ignorant one here is you, who either doesn't know who Christ is or is delibrately trying to deny Him His divinity and authority.

Pls who is Jesus Christ to you.

OkCornel:
Don't display ignorance biko...
This is what happens when you idolize Jesus to the point you have little or no understanding of the things He lived and died for...

Wait., did you say 'idolizing Jesus? I don't idolize Him, i worship Him because He is the same Entity as YHWH.

OkCornel:
My dear, you are not to different from the Catholics who also pray to Mary and the Saints...

So you are telling us God is an Eternal Father of All no one can communicate with directly? So who did Adam, Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Job, David, Solomon and Elijah converse with? Satan?

Are you doing this deliberately or what? How many times have i posted Hebrews 1:1 for you.
Catholics worship Marry, i never saw Mary worshipped once in the Scriptures, but Christ? Over and over.

Here, for the last time before i ignore you.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,[b]
Hebrews:1:1

[b]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Hebrews:1:2

I may have to ignore you from here. I'm sorry.

OkCornel:
And why do you insist on giving God a name? Is He a God of the Jews and the Christians alone?

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Exodus:6:3

Going by the above verse, i believe YHWH told us His name, or at least what to identify Him by, by Himself.

I don't have the authority to insist on anything when it comes to Him

But, why do you insist on using a blanketted term (God) which can mean any deity tho?

See, bros, God is not a name, it is a title, hence, you can be talking about another deity but meaning another. This is what inoercieved when used the word 'Pretender' previously. If we are not hiding sonething, why not do as we are told? Why go by a blanket term?

YHWH wants His followers to know Him by that term Jehovah. I can't insist on anything if i didn't know that satan will want my worship if i don't indentify who am standing before.

Who is your God pls?

OkCornel:
You have limited your view of God through the lens of religion...

You think you can make me feel less of who i am or what i stand for by this your continuous use of the word religion to address me. God never gave anyone a religion. He calls all into a relationship. But here you are not evwn knowing who you are in a relationship with. Sir, that is religion.

OkCornel:
And yes, YHWH is one of the numerous names of God Almighty...so tell me, what exactly does it change?

What are the other numerous names of YHWH pls?

Pls tell me the other names then i can answer the second part of your question.

OkCornel:
If you tell us God has no religion, then does anyone need a religion to reach out to God? Did Adam have any religion to communicate with God?... or Enoch...or Abraham? or Job? or Jesus? Did these men have two heads on their neck?

You and only one have been talking about religion since this thread began. Who said anything about reaching God through religion?

Derailment, derailment, derailment. Guy, you are good.

Did this man just equated Enoch, Abraham and Job to Jesus? Really?

Guy come out and say it already, the lingering is taking too long.

OkCornel:
And why are you so obsessed with thinking anything outside the Christian definition of God automatically means Satan?

Guy, what i said is, if you don't identify what or who you are dealing with, you can be dealing with Satan who masquerades as God to earn your worship.
Why you refuse to addreas this is what marvels me.

Why do you insist on leaving what you worship nameless?

A demon in the details i guess.

OkCornel:
I told you I converse with God directly...and what was your response? that I cannot do it outside of Jesus...

What then was your understanding of God I was referring to... was it not God the Father you were thinking? if your answer is no...then what brought up the "outside of Jesus" stuff you mentioned?

I'm beginning to understand why you have been against identifying God by His name. I think this is because, you know the God you mean is not really YHWH.

If you converse with God directly without the intermediary He Himself placed, then, it's not YHWH you are referring to as Father.

Wow. No wonder you said God can manifest himself in any form to anyone.

That is Satan's ploy to keep the decieved bound.

OkCornel:
Before you even asked for the Holy Spirit, what tells you the difference between right and wrong? What convicts you when you know you have done something wrong?

God's Spirit has been resident within you and in any man right from his/her tender days...

Where did you see this? I mean, scripture.