id911:
But why can't these busybodies Western leaders call Isreali and Palestinian leaders to a roundtable talks and make a binding resolutions that'll make lasting peace possible thereby stop the intermittent fight and bloodshed once and for all? I just don't understand it at all.

That has been done more than 2 times and Palestine rejected it.

When isreal even accepted a 2 state solution 70 years ago, they still rejected it.

Isreal is now too invested in that land to want to accept any 2 state solution

twilliamx:
The west is crazy!!! Deploy warship against people that mostly use stones.. Mad people

Is that what you deduced from that write up?

It was clearly stated what those warships are for but you choose to make up a story and believe it.

Omicron007:






Bunch of hypocrites up there...
Appreciate the craft on the work.
A young man who brought back a classic Bini song by Pa Monday Igbinudun and re-mixed it with Amapiano vibes.
He is culturally aware.
Just because he was not shouting American slangs, y'all are spewing trash.

He tried. And he can do better.

He can do better yeah,
But calling people hypocrites because they reviewed a song is hypocrisy too

Cos one way or the other you have criticized something before.
Maybe tinubu or a product

NOwazobia:
Werey just spoil the chorus with his stupid talk, abi na rap.


Everyone wants to sing, but only few have the musical talent.


This guy is talentless and he is just forcing himself into music.


The old man with the chorus was the one who gave life to the music.

Like we just said the same thing same time.

He's spoilt it with his unnecessary vocals

The song and visuals without him would have been better,
Like a full fledged benin song,

Whoever was singing in there language needs to do his own music.
So we know it's a benin song.

Sounding like nkem own shouting

Tanker news now rampant.

Do owners of this vehicle deem it fit to do new tanks?

Tanks be looking like something from 10 years ago

ThompsonJoo:
Did anyone notice commercial banks remove online banks from their banking platform

Are you telling or asking?

Seems you're asking us and telling same time

WBT4321:


If the product worth it, why not? I can travel any distance to get a product I want!

Product you chan buy anywhere else?

Una never hear of logistics company and escrow?

I take it this come to anambra and Lagos na cruise cos wtf.

By the way you have too much things you're not using again that's worth 250k

Wizpa:
MohBad's "Wife" is a Prime Suspect!

Omo!! If you don't like verydarkblackman: the IG Influencer, then you don't like the truth.

We need more men like him in this country for Nigeria to have a 360degree change because our Government has really capitalized on our Tribalistic and Gender Based sentiments.

Some people shouting Naira Marley and Sam Larry;

Mohbad's "supossed wife" has questions to answer.

This is a case of Potiphar's wife and Joseph...

So many things hidden between the lines.

Jezebelic women are more predominant in our society

Dem kpai that guy because of inheritance!!

Make them quick do social media bill abeg

E go help most of us to unsee and unhear things

If _isGone
It's gone

adebayo987:
Let me get this straight... First, you're not a pro-Israel nor a jew nor whatever you claimed to be! Secondly, some of the things you listed are not verifiable but mare rumours. You're clearly on the side of Hamas and Islamic in your reasoning cunningly ending your write up in a liberal format, but that's not true at all. Judging your write up, you indeed support violence against Israel.

This thing is actually the other way round. The Jewish Israel is reacting based on how they were treated by the Palestinians. It's quite unfortunate that people of this era are viewing from the side of Hamas based on Religion. These guys just hate the Jews passionately and not because of how they're treated but because of how they feel to have treated the Jews and they don't have the opportunity to.

Sure you read the whole article?

Let me know those that are just rumours so we both fact check em

Read this from @ike_saul on X, and this here is what everyone on nairaland should read before commenting on this issue,

It's not a right or wrong article, but one that helps you see things different.

People ask me all the time if I am "pro-Israel" because I am a Jew who has lived in Israel, and my answer is that being "pro-Israel" or being "pro-Palestine" or being a "Zionist" does not properly capture the nuance of thought most people do or should have about this issue. It certainly doesn't capture mine.

I have a lot to say. I’ve spent the last 72 hours writing, texting, and talking to Israelis, Jews, Muslims, and Palestinians. Much of my reaction is going to piss off people on "both sides," but I am exhausted and hurting and I do not think there is any way to discuss this situation without being radically honest about my views. So I'm going to try to say what I believe to be true the best I can.

Let me start with this: It could have been me.

That's a hard thought to shake when watching the videos out of Israel — the concert goers fleeing across an empty expanse, the hostages being paraded through the streets, the people shot in the head at bus stops or in their cars. I went to those parties in the desert, I rubbed shoulders with Israelis and Arabs and Jews and Muslims, I could have easily accepted an invitation to some concert near Sderot and gone without a care, only to be indiscriminately slaughtered. Or, perhaps worse, taken hostage and tortured.

I don’t believe Hamas is killing Israelis to liberate themselves, nor do I believe they are doing it to make peace. They're doing this because they represent the devil on the shoulder of every oppressed Palestinian who has lost someone in this conflict. They're doing it because they want vengeance. They are evening the score, and acting on the worst of our human impulses, to respond to blood with blood — an inclination that is easy to give in to after what their people have endured. It should not be hard to understand their logic — it is only hard to accept that humans are capable of being driven to this. Not defending Hamas is a very low bar to clear. Please clear it.

It’s not possible to recap the entire 5,000 year history of people fighting over this strip of land in one newsletter. There are plenty of easily accessible places you can learn about it if you want to (and, by the way, many of you should — far too many people speak on this issue with an obscene amount of ignorance, loads of arrogance, and a narrow historical lens focused on the last few decades). But I'll briefly highlight a few things that are important to me.

In my opinion, the Jewish people have a legitimate historical claim to the land of Israel. Jews had already been expelled and returned and expelled again a half dozen times before the rise of the Muslim and Arab rule of the Ottoman Empire. Of course it’s messy because we Jews and Arabs and Muslims are all cousins and descendents of the same Canaanites. But Arabs won the land centuries ago the same way Israel and Jews won it in the 20th century: Through conflict and war. The British defeated the Ottoman Empire and then came the Balfour Declaration, which amounted to the British granting the area to the Jewish people, a promise they’d later try to renege on — all before the wars that have defined the region since 1948.

That historical moment in the late 1940s was unique. After World War II, with many Arab and Muslim states already in existence, and after six million Jews were slaughtered, the global community felt it was important to grant the Jewish people a homeland. In a more logical or just world that homeland would have been in Europe as a kind of reparation for what the Nazis and others before them had done to the Jews, or perhaps in the Americas — like Alaska — or somewhere else. But the Jews wanted Israel, the British had taken to the Zionist movement, the British had conquered the Ottoman Empire which handed them control of the land, and America and Europe didn’t want the Jews. As a result, we got Israel.

The Arab states had already rejected a partitioned Israel repeatedly before World War II and rejected it again after the Holocaust and the end of the war. They did not want to give up even a little bit of their land to a bunch of Jewish interlopers who were granted it all of a sudden by British interlopers who had arrived a hundred years prior. Who could blame them? It had been centuries since Jews lived there in large numbers, and now they wanted to return in waves as secularized Europeans. Many of us would probably react the same way. So, just as humans have done forever, they fought. The many existing Arab states turned against the burgeoning new Jewish state. One side won and one side lost. This is the brutal and broken and violent world we live in, but it is what created the global world order we have now.

Are Israelis and British people "colonizers" because of this 20th century history? Sure. But that view flattens thousands of years of history and conflict, and the context of World War I and World War II. I don’t view Israelis and Brits as colonizers any more than the Assyrians or the Babylonians or the Romans or the Mongols or the Egyptians or the Ottomans who all battled over the same strip of land from as early as 800 years before Jesus’s time until now. The Jews who founded Israel just happened to have won the last big battle for it.

You can’t speak about this issue in a vacuum. You can't pretend that it wasn't just 60 years ago when Israel was surrounded on all sides by Arab states who wanted to wipe them off the face of the planet. Despite the balance of power shifting this century, that threat is still a reality. And you can't talk about that without remembering the only reason the Jews were in Israel in the first place was that they'd spent the previous centuries fleeing a bunch of Europeans who also wanted to wipe them off the face of the planet. And then Hitler showed up.

American partisans have a narrow view of this history, and an Americentric lens that is infuriating to witness. As Lee Fang perfectly put it, "Hamas would absolutely execute the ACAB lefties cheering on horrific violence against Israelis if they lived in Gaza & U.S. right-wingers blindly cheering on Israeli subjugation of Palestinians would rebel twice as violently if Americans were subjected to similar occupation."

And yet, many Americans only view modern Israel as the "powerful" one in this dynamic. Which is true — they obviously are. It isn't a fair fight and it hasn't been for decades because Israel's government is rich and resourceful, has the backing of the United States and most of Europe, and has an incredibly powerful military. At the same time, Israeli leadership has made technological and military advancements that have further tipped those scales — all while the Israeli government has helped create a resource-thin open air prison of two million Arabs in Gaza.

Conversely, Palestinians are devoid of any real unified leadership, and the Arab world is now divided on the issue of Palestine. Israel is unwilling to give the people in Gaza and the West Bank more than an inch of freedom to live. These are largely the refugees and descendents of the refugees of the 1948 and 1967 wars that Israel won. And you can't keep two million people in the condition that those in the Gaza strip live in and not expect events like this.

I'm sorry to say that while the blood on the ground is fresh. The Israelis who were killed in this attack largely have nothing to do with those conditions other than being born at a time when Israel and Jews have the upper hand in this conflict. Some of the victims weren’t even Israeli — they were just tourists. This is why we describe them as “innocent” and why Hamas has only reaffirmed that they are a brutal terror organization with this attack — an organization that I hope is quickly toppled, for the sake of both the Palestinian people and the Israelis. But as someone with a deep love for Israel, with friends in danger and people I know still missing, it breaks my heart to say it but I'm saying it again because it remains perhaps the most salient point of context in a tangled mess full of centuries of context:

You cannot keep two million people living in the conditions people in Gaza are living in and expect peace.

You can't. And you shouldn’t. Their environment is antithetical to the human condition. Violent rebellion is guaranteed. Guaranteed. As sure as the sun rising.

And the cycle of violence seems locked in to self-perpetuate, because both sides see a score to settle:

1) Israel has already responded with a vengeance, and they will continue to. Their desire for violence is not unlike Hamas’s — it’s just as much about blood for blood as any legitimate security measure. Israel will “have every right to respond with force." Toppling Hamas — a group, by the way, Israel erred in supporting — will now be the objective, and civilian death will be seen as necessary collateral damage. But Israel will also do a bunch of things they don't have a right to. They will flatten apartment buildings and kill civilians and children and many in the global community will probably cheer them on while they do it. They have already stopped the flow of water, electricity, and food to two million people, and killed dozens of civilians in their retaliatory bombings. We should never accept this, never lose sight that this horror is being inflicted on human beings. As the group B’Tselem said, “There is no justification for such crimes, whether they are committed as part of a struggle for freedom from oppression or cited as part of a war against terror.” I mourn for the innocents of Palestine just as I do for the innocents in Israel. As of late, many, many more have died on their side than Israel's. And many more Palestinians are likely to die in this spate of violence, too.

Unfortunately, most people in the West only pay attention to this story when Hamas or a Palestinian in Gaza or the West Bank commits an act of violence. Palestinian citizens die regularly at the hands of the Israeli military and their plight goes largely unnoticed until they respond with violence of their own. Israel had already killed an estimated 250 Palestinians, including 47 children, this year alone. And that is just in the West Bank.

2) Every single time Israel kills someone in the name of self-defense they create a handful of new radicalized extremists who will feel justified in wanting to take an Israeli life in retribution sometime in the future. Half of Gaza’s two million people are under the age of 19 — they know little besides Hamas rule (since 2006), Israeli occupation, blockades, and rockets falling from the sky. The suffering of these innocent children born into this reality is incomprehensible to me. They will suffer more now because of Hamas’s actions and Israel’s response, all through no fault of their own.

There is no way out of this pattern until one side exercises restraint or leaders on both sides find a new solution. Israelis will tell you that if Palestinians put their guns down then the war would end, but if Israel put their guns down they'd be wiped off the planet. I don't have a crystal ball and can’t tell you what is true. But what I am certain of is that every time Israel kills more innocents they engender more rage and hatred and recruit more Palestinians and Arabs to the cause against them. There is no disputing this.

So, why did this happen now?

I'm not sure how to answer that question except to say it was bound to happen eventually. It was a massive policy and intelligence failure and Netanyahu should pay the price politically — he is a failed leader. Iran probably helped organize the attack and the money freed up by the Biden administration's prisoner swap probably didn't help the situation, either. Israel's increasingly extremist government and settlers provoking Palestinians certainly didn't help. Nor has going to the Al-Aqsa mosque and desecrating it. Nor do blockades and bombings and indiscriminate subjugation of a whole people. Nor does refusing to talk to non-terrorist leaders in Palestine. Nor does illegally continuing to expand and steal what is left of Palestinian land, as many Jews and Israelis have been doing in the 21st century despite cries from the global community to stop. A violent response was predictable — in fact, plenty of people did predict it.

Israel is forever stuffing these people into tinier and tinier boxes with fewer and fewer resources. But if you want to blame Israeli leaders for continuing to expand and settle land that does not belong to them (as I do), then you should also spare some blame for Palestinian leaders for repeatedly not accepting a partitioned Israel during the 20th century that could have led to peace (as I do).

Please also remember this: Hamas is still an extremist group. The Palestinian people do not have a government or leaders who legitimately represent their interests, and it sure as hell isn't Hamas. Will some Palestinians cheer and clap at the dead, or spit on them as they are paraded through Gaza? Yes they will. And they have. Many will also mourn because they loathe Hamas and know this will only make things worse. This is no different than how some Americans cheer at the dead in every single war we've ever fought. It's no different than the Israelis who set up lawn chairs to watch their government bomb Palestine and cheer them on, too. This doesn't mean Palestinians or Israelis or Americans are evil — it means some of them are giving in to their violent impulses, and their zealous feelings of righteous vengeance.

Solutions, you ask? I can’t say I have any. If you came here for that, I’m sorry. The two-state solution looks dead to me. A three-state solution makes some sense but feels out of the view of all the people who matter and could make it happen. I wish a one-state solution felt realistic — a world of Israelis and Arabs and Muslims and Jews living side by side with equal rights, fully integrated and defused of their hate, is a version of Israel that I would adore. But it seems less and less realistic with every new act of violence.

Am I pro-Israel or pro-Palestine? I have no idea.

I'm pro-not-killing-civilians.

I'm pro-not-trapping-millions-of-people-in-open-air-prisons.

I'm pro-not-shooting-grandmas-in-the-back-of-the-head.

I'm pro-not-flattening-apartment-complexes.

I'm pro-not-raping-women-and-taking-hostages.

I'm pro-not-unjustly-imprisoning-people-without-due-process.

I'm pro-freedom and pro-peace and pro- all the things we never see in this conflict anymore.

Whatever this is, I want none of it.

Samantha124:
I think the post violated rule 10 of nairaland, but the mods should've at least left the thread for at least 24 hours before deleting it because this is a serious case.

Baby girl, just take those advices that you still remember from the post and try to apply them and good luck.

Bending the rule to fit one shouldn't happen at all.
Irrespective of what went down the mods did the right thing.

Israelterrorist:
Hope the whole world is see this genocide committed by the Israeli terrorists and it's ally .
Hamas kill 900 Israeli terrorists, but the idf terrorists and her western allies are busy bombing and killing innocent children, women, destroying place of worship, and other infrastructure like hospital, hope the world is see this genocide.
Over 100,000 infants and women has been killed and raped by the Israeli terrorists in just 3 day
Hope the world is seeing the atrocities of Israel terrorists, raping women isn't part of war
Over 10,000 Palestinian women has been raped by Israeli terrorists in 3 days.
I saw a video where 15 Israeli forces were taking turns on a 12years Palestinian girl

Who be this one abeg.

YouAreNobody:

You're fucking daft.

I agree
What next?

DamnnNiggarr:


Business transactions gone wrong.

You see Abia, Cross River (Calabar) and Rivers States men, do well to stay away from them as a woman. They can be brutal and do weird things when anger madness sets in.

Rest In Peace, Edo beauty

Calabar men?

Nope, they never .

How do you guys know exactly what be went for if I may ask.

Polo match and maybe something else.

Not everything we have to shout for, how important is this action.

Remember it's already been put in the budget and monies disbursed so weda he uses it or not the money is gone

PARADIZEPRIEST:
Launch surgical strikes on hamas evil leaders don't hit innocent people in their houses and the war will end forthwith.

How do you do that when those leaders hide within communities and mosque,

INTEGRITYA1:


You have opportunity to port to another network like MTN or Airtel and still retain the line.

Ever since porting started I haven't given it a thought before.

I just wanted to have all the networks just in case.
I no longer use it for data

Ayodeoba:
shut the fu*ck up your mouth! What’s the mistake when you target buildings housing civilians? If someone mistakenly end your life, will your family sit and watch the person walk free?

I thought I was talking to a matured person who would pass his point along.
But No, just another emotional nairaland user.

Go have conversations like this in real life and respond the way you do.

I'll tell you what my family won't do,
The won't even try to kill the person and family members of that person.

Ayodeoba:
countless of times we have watched online, Israeli had been attacking Palestinians home, kill them en mass like terrorists does

En masse??

What number qualifies as en masse ?

Killing someone in the course of enforcing whatever is different from killing someone with intent.

That's why in courts they're different type of murders.

If I kill someone by mistake even if we were fighting it's different from when I planned to kill you

Bliss52:



A mosque blown on a Friday jumat service

Common sense should tell you people died enmase

Can't you think or you need everything explained in gory terms

Flashbanng not bombs

Most times y'all talk what you don't know.

Al aqsa wasn't bombed.
They went in there, used flashbangs to disperse people and took and beat the people they went in there for.

People who resisted also got a beating.
They didn't go there to kill civilians.

Now compare that with people walking the streets with intent on killing families, children.

If Israel had intent of killing children and women that way do you think Palestinians will survive it?

This issue is not Today, it's like they don't buy diesel for their Network masts maybe, cos I used to do 1tb yearly on mine, last year I was able to use to an extent, all of a sudden around may, it connects and disconnect.

Sometimes Its as if I do not have data and I'll move the sim and put in phone to confirm and there's data.

Work colleagues complained of same thing.

As the data expired I found myself subbing 1k every month just to preserve and roll over but this people no allow me use my data in peace.

Gave up on the data and only have it cos the number is unique and made for a particular purpose.

Changing it would stress my business

Remember my first time trying sex at 24, finally had her in my bed, got her ass up and I couldn't tell which was the vagina for penetration.

She was also a Virgin.
Weird feeling when I ask her is this is the hole and she's confused as well.

Ended up not fking shit that night..
When I started trying different holes and think I've found one, she'll be having pains, I just petty her shut down.

3 years later I still haven't, probably when I get married, if I do sef.

We'll both have to learn that shit

BentizilL0:

Were they also in Vietnam for good 20 years??
You cannot defend what's not defendable..

I hope you knew USSR were also there for good 9 years but came back home??

Defeat is defeat, no two ways about it...

Is it that most of you just drop comments for comment sake?

How do you not realize that tech may not have been available during Vietnam and even if it was would it be mass produced?

Calitoscassius:
So said you! this what alota ignorant citizens believe. They believe that the government can take their properties, money, wife and children while they do nothing, this is why i support the likes of Trump and Elon.

Doesn't the government take properties? What can you do but accept.

The government needs your land for something and want to pay you compensation and you say no .

What happens next?

I'm also a trump and Elon supporter, buy because they see bullshit and call it out.
They analyze things themselves too.

Whatever you acquire as a citizen, your rights are in a constitution.

The Constitution is what determines what you are entitled to lAst last.

FirstSense:
I pray Atiku succed because aside the forgery Tinubu has proven himself to lack Hunan compassion, empathy and concern for citizens. How can you remove fuel subsidy and there's no tangible scheme to help the masses.

Hi,
What change do you believe ATIKU would do to change what tinubu has done.

Calitoscassius:
Really? Those days has long gone, we are in 2023 now. today everyone knows politics, in them days there was no Nairaland and people commenting on it, politics has since changed. Poeple are more knowledgeable now.

By the way who are the government? The people are the government

Lol, that's ignorance.

The government can do and undo,
The government is the people only when it needs to.

No one can stand up to the government, no matter your millions.
All it'll take is a policy, paper and pen to crash your business