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7) hmmm really? your number 7 point struck me the most. . . .

"blessed with offspring" through the alleged by-product of sin, sex hmmm it sounds slightly contradictory if we are to consider sex as a result of sinning.

If that surely is the case then humanity is as a result of sin, maybe we should thus be grateful to Adam and Eve for sinning which allowed us to come into existence

Then perhaps clothes too should been seen as a resultant of sin. . .isn't after they had sinned that they were finally clothed? Wasn't it a result of them sinning? . . .if they had not sinned they still would have been in an undressed state.


In the early scriptures man was told to be "fruitful and multiply" in other words procreate. When Eve sinned one of her punishment was to experience pain during child birth so she was designed to be pregnant thus they were meant to procreate.

But are you saying that sex is a resultant of sin? Can sex be a product of sin when there was supposed to be a result to that action called sex - children. They were commanded to produce children - "be ye fruitful and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein." Thus children were already a requirement of them, and they come about through procreation aka sex.

However I do find it intriguing that Adam and Eve (husband and wife) were only aware of each other's unclothedness after they had sinned and not beforehand. If they had not been oblivious to this maybe there would have been children born in the Garden of Eden . . . .unless there was another method other than sex to begetting children. . . .ah I don't know sha.

b.) procreation is a blessing and not a curse.how can Adam be deemed to have sinned,when he was granted knowledge of how to procreate at the point after he ate from the tree? procreation was made to be a blessing.

So if they had remained sinless chances are they wouldn't have bore any children abi?

@ LagosShia
Your points are very interesting and thought provoking and I thank you for taking the time I'm going to respond to them accordingly.


3) Now that's an interesting point (not sure if it's entirely correct though) . . .but I have pondered on this. . .so they were not made to be "fruitful and multiply" in that specific location (garden of Eden)?

4) Interesting. I thought death was a by-product of sin . . .because after they sinned, death featured in the bible by means of a symbolic atonement for their sin - God killed an animal and used the animals skin to make a "covering" for them . . .

Thus I thought death will have no place in the garden of Eden, well when they exited the place death became a theme so I'm assuming if they had stayed in the garden they wouldn't have ever accounted death.

5) I wonder, I've been thinking about this for the longest

6) . . . hmmm I can probably agree with this,

When Adam sinned and God asked him "Adam where art thou" I do not believe God was referring to his geographical location, but his spiritual disposition. I actually wonder how events would have panned out if Adam had just responded that he sinned and asked for repentance because I think that's what God was seeking for at the time when he asked such question - I assumed he wanted him to acknowledge his sin and come to repentance.

@ Sauer
So perhaps religion facilitates one to maintain their relationship with God. I guess having faith or having a belief in God is different to having faith in a God. If one had faith in a God already then that must correlate to a God governing a particular religion.
. . .but one who merely holds a belief in God could perhaps just believe in God's existence but not subscribe to a particular deity thus they could be considered agnostic.
So . . .if I had a belief in a God (whichever religion he may correlate to) then I have a duty to adhere to the commandments given which is taught in religion in order to nurture my faith.

Thus, the difficult task of pulling themselves by the bootstrap is conveniently eliminated. So, yes, religion, as it is practiced, can help nudge an individual in the favourable direction of strength, belief and confidence.

"iron sharpeneth iron" comes to mind. I guess when one is in the company of like minded believers they have a network of support especially when one's faith may be weary or waxing cold as opposed to a person who has a belief in the existence of God but may not have that pool of support if stuck/confused or may not know how to channel their belief/faith.

I believe when we humans see that other people also believe in similar/identical concepts to us it could perhaps strengthen our belief in such notion, causing us to believe that we are/could be right, rendering such concept real for us.

So one holding a belief in God in the absence of religion may not follow any guidelines thus maybe not even knowing if they're drawing nearer or closer hmmmm. . .

@ nodogma
To be honest I think the aim of some religion is to refine albeit some do cause confusion yet we as humans are very capable of separating ourselves whether it be via politics, race etc. . .there is always a theme, a basis allowing us to separate ourselves.
There are religions that address that we are connected by one source whomever that source is remains to be debatable however. If anything I believe religion (referring mainly to Christianity and Islam) tries to pool in as many people with the aim of converting as many souls as possible. If they were successful in carrying as many people into their fold then as many as 7 billion may possibly be Christian or Muslim.
However I think our misinterpretation (including that of believers) compound the issue which may cause strife.

toba:
nope.

There are very many non religious pple that believe in God strongly

. . .may I ask what type of belief are you referring to? is it believing in the existence of God or a God?. . .because if they believe in a God then that must match a God of a particular religion.
If someone believes in the existence alone how do they build their faith? or is believing in a Creator/Higher Being enough to qualify as faith?

No be her wey come advertise body before. If she no wan hear comments mek her keep her body to herself sha.

In my own definition I understand religion to be the adherence of certain rites practiced among a particular populace - which does not necessarily require faith to follow such format. And I regard faith as one's personal belief and intimate relationship with God.

Thus I wondered in the absence of religion can one still forge a relationship with God even though they may not adhere to any particular rites?

If one has faith is religion still mandatory?

Does religion carve out faith?

In order for one to manifest their belief in God must one abide by a particular religion?

Does religion help maintain one's relationship with God whilst faith propels us nearer to Him?

 

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