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SmartPolician:
Thank you. I have siblings and friends in Texas. According to official stats, Texas has more blacks than other states in the US.

So, my siblings and family say very early in the morning when sane people are trying to make their way to work, those black Americans are busy openly smoking things by the roadside. Those people don cast

Hkana:
Our learned ones, can anyone throw light on Quran 3 vs 26-27?
I recently found myself inexplicably curious about the verses.

SmartPolician:
I share your sentiment. African Americans don't like Black Africans because a good number of them are utterly useless and always want to blame the system for their failure.

They hate to go to school; they are chiefly good at thuggery and abusing and selling crack. If they see Nigerians or Mexicans who are willing to work or go to school to survive, they start hating on them.

African Americans need serious value reorientation because they are quickly making thuggery and gangsterism a way of life.

YoungRay007:
Hi

Fahdiga:
Confused Amotekun. Is there any difference between the rescued and the kignappers. They are all terrorists and doesn't deserve to be helped

RuddyFusion:
Waste of public fund
Why waste our money on frivolities?
What have they contributed to the economy of their various nation?

What is Aisha's contribution to nation building? What exactly?


Another avenue to loot our remaining money

sagenaija:
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1. I take it that you agree that Moslems have no reason to claim that the Bible is corrupted. I also take it that you agree that Moslems have no reason to go to the Bible to affirm Mohamed or Islam.

2. I have shown you that the Koran was not in a COLLATED form at the time of Mohamed. Zaid's initial query when asked to do so should make this clear.

3. I have shown you that Mohamed forgot portions of the Koran to make you see the idiosy of these excuses we are getting about oral traditions.

Look at my first statement above. The fact that there are conflicting stories and positions in your books ordinarily should be a red flag showing that something is wrong. But for some strange reasons you guys miss that out.

Emp.iree, did the Koran not say that Allah can will for Mohamed to forget a verse or recitation? And you still want us to believe the contrary?

4. About 5,000 differences have been found between the Hafs and Wash Korans alone. Why should 'recitation' change the meanings of portions of the Koran?

You guys have simply chosen to blind your eyes to the truth about your religion.
[quote]I had prefer to be blinded by Quran than Christianity that has no source.


[quote]5. I see the nice way you try to run away from the origins of your religion. Again, an attempt to close your eyes to the truth

It's always difficult for a person who has spent all his life in a religion like Islam to want to accept its flaws.

6. You even came up with a REINTERPRETATION of the Koran! Interesting!
So, when we go to the hadith, you will go to Sira. If you are not satisfied with the two you ask for Koran. And even when the Koran is produced you REINTERPRET it to suit your narrative.
Look at my first statement above again.

The Koran CLEARLY says:
1)"(Mohammed) You are only a Warner and for every nation there is a guide." (13:7) and
2)"And we have sent no messenger but with the language of his people, that he might make (the message) clear for them." (14:4)

And you are telling us that the Koran is lying. And you then go into your own 'logic' on how it is so. When you are not satisfied with the Koran you invent your own premises and conclusions.

Why don't you first try and explain those verses to us?

sagenaija:
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I'm not sure why you attached that clip.
Are there former Moslem Preachers, Mullahs, Imams, Scholars and Dawah missionaries who left Islam and converted to Christianity?

sagenaija:
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Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

1. Islamic literature and websites like Sunnah.com and about Islam.net show us CLEARLY what Islam say the people of the book are. But we know that, in order to win an argument, you guys will deny your sources, your prophet or even Allah.

If the Koran never referred to Christians or Bible then on what basis do you Moslems claim that it is corrupted?

2. We have your history as to how the Koran evolved but because it doesn't quite look neat you now want to change the narration.
If the Koran was "written down" in the time of Mohamed then what did Abu Bakr do? And after him what did Uthman do? Reprint more copies?

You ask for the relevance of what Zaid told Abu Bakr.
When Zaid said "How dare you do a thing WHICH THE PROPHET HAS NOT DONE?" It should be CLEAR to anyone that he was saying that there was NO COLLATED KORAN at the time of Mohamed! Open your eyes man! Why close up your brain!

b]3. On memorisation[/b]
I guess you guys make a hype out of memorisation because it makes you feel good. You think it's some additional stuff to use in 'selling' your religion .

Did Mohamed perfectly memorise the Koran?

No, and the Hadith and Koran are very clear about this.

Narrated Aisha: The Prophet heard a man reciting the Qur'an in the mosque and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such verses of such a Surah." (Sahih al-Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 61, no. 556; also Sahih Muslim: bk. 4, no. 1720

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: ... (Muhammad said) I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me ... (Sunan Abu Dawud: bk. 3, no. 1015; also Sahih al-Bukhari: vol. 1, bk. 8, no. 394)

So, did Mohamed forget? Yes!
If Mohamed to whom the Koran was revealed forgot, why do you guys still make a big deal about memorisation?

4. Even when you guys know the truth you keep saying 'show us', 'bring the Koran that is....'. We know that you don't have the Abu Bakr or Uthman's Koran. But I just gave you two other versions there ‐ the Hafs and the Wash.
You are talking as if a non-moslem caught burning a 'fragment' of the Koran today will be spared your wrath. Why deny the obvious?

5. Simple questions on origin of Islam are beginning to shake you up. Please answer these two simple questions:
1. Where did majority of those who wrote Islamic books write from - Mecca or Medina or farther away?
2. Which archeological findings do we have from Mecca to support Islam's origins?

I hope you won't come up with 'Allah knows best'.

b]6. Who was Mohamed sent to according to these?:[/b]

1)"(Mohammed) You are only a Warner and for every nation there is a guide." (13:7)

2)"And we have sent no messenger but with the language of his people, that he might make (the message) clear for them." (14:4)

The Koran here proves that as per his own standards Mohamed can only be a guide for his nation i.e. Arabs.

JackBizzle:
It is wishful thinking on my part. But I truly suspect that some have become apostates. How can someone be a prolific poster on the islam section and then one day just avoid the islam section like a plague? I know someone who is still on nairaland but only posts in politics section- this is after being a prolific poster on the islam section

JackBizzle:
Its just my way of greeting you.

How body?

I believe that some of our regulars on the islam section have become apostates. I notice that when they leave islam, they also hide from the islam section