the story was briefly narrated by Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla since years ago. I am still looking for it.
Although I hope I am right and didn't misunderstood it. He talked about Umar Ibn khatab would seemed like he passed out in Salat. That he is not conscious of activities around when when he was in Salat. He had ascended to spiritual realm
LadunaI: He said the specific count 2,3 and 4 mentioned in the ayah is invariably alluding to our five daily prayers. Fajr-2, Magrib -3 , Zuhr, Asr, and Ishai-4 and that these prayers are like "angel" which take us to realm of Allah whenever we established them, coinciding what Holy Prophet (saw) said prayer is Miraj (ascension) for a believer.
Exactly... Sheikh AbdulHamid Alaye(ra) sheikh Daud Alfa and Babaloworo said something similar about miraj the moment after takbir. I believe their is similar incident S. Umar(ra)
Alhajiemeritus: I think the question has been answered by Sheik Ladunal. Almighty Allah increases ìn his creation what he wills. It is more like an Arithmetic progression. Some have 2, Some have 3, Some 4 and so on and so forth. The Quran already captures the 600 wings in the subsequent part, He increases in creation what he wills. Wa alaykum Salam warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
LadunaI: The new bolded in the ayah answer the question sir. "Allah (swt) increases in creation whatever He wills" explain further the preceding statement.
I need clarification on these seemingly contradiction BTW Quran and Hadith. I am core advocate for adhering to QUR'AN as the only standard criteria btw right and wrong.
Sura Fatir verse 1
All praise is [due] to Allah, Creator of the heavens and the earth, [who] made the angels messengers having wings, two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.
Hadith
"Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings."
Sources (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 379) (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 380)
It is getting too much and out of hand. When did they suddenly develop this intolerance attitude in 21st century?. There was nothing like this in the 90s. Everyone was fine back then
Ishilove: There's this Yoruba series that was aired on LTV8 during early 90s here in Lagos. I can't remember the name or storyline of the series,except that the main villain was named "Mr Deinde" while the protagonist was named "Thomson". Mr Deinde was a very evil character that went about poisoning people and in the last episode i watched he was on the verge of poisoning Thompson. Kids back then used to sing "Mr Deinde,Mr Deinde, Eti lé kpa yan ju,eti lé kpa yan ju. O gbodo kpa Thompson o,Deinde!"
I can't remember if this song was the soundtrack of the series or a composition of a creative fan-i was pretty young then. I also can't remember the name of series or how it ended,i'm not very sure but i think it was airing around the time "Yemi my lover" was released,but it was way before "Agbara Nla" and"Mama mi L'ekó". debuted. I know this cos i watched Agbara Nla on colour tv,but the aforementioned two were on Father's ancient black and white TV. So,can anyone remember the name of the series?
MaxInDHouse: YES, Moses and Jesus can perfectly be compared because they're both [1]Descendants of Jacob! [2]Called God! Exodus 7:1, John 1:1 [3]Miracle workers! !
Fundamentalist: Just to educate you on salat. If you don't recite salatul ibrahimmiya during tashahud your salat is incomplete. That's to tell you how important it is to that fake and 419 salatul fathi. That's what's recorded in hadiths and ways of the companions.
solati Ibrahimiya mandatory in Salat?. Salat is invalid if solati Ibrahimiya is skipped?. Who is your mentor?.
See daylight robbery. I guess you want to implement your own fatwa?.
nonsense?. Anobi Muhammad (saw) was asked what is Islam?. He answered
Islam is based in 5 tenets
Kalimatu shahada Salat Ramadan Zakat Hajj
E da kun. Where is solati fatih, solati Ibrahimiya in this?. Islam is complete means those 5 mentioned above. That's Islam. Solati Ibrahimiya itself is optional for Muslims.
Secondly, as much as I don't have to defend others, I think the brother was wrong about albaqir. He said what he didn't say fa. I'm only waiting for him to quote where Albaqir said solati Ibrahimiya should be dropped.
Iktilaf like this should not be cause for schism. Let this thread rest. Ain't going back to back and forth.
Kudos to everyone, since 2004! this tread still continues, wow!
most notably people is this dialogue is @AlBaqir and @Fundamentalist and everyone is also commendable.
Basically! if a reasonable someone comes here without even religious believe, he will deduce the following point:
@AlBaqir started with using solatul-Ibrahimiyyah which was brought by the Prophet (SAW) is good, but later gives some logical reasons not to follow it anymore due to some reasons stated by him, like if muslim continue to do it (as in what Prophet (SAW) brings), he may be one of unfortunate people in hereafter. Hence, Muslim should drop it solatul-Ibrahimiyyah and follow SALATUL-FATIHI
@Fundamentalist however says we should not use SALATUL-FATIHI because it was not practice by the prophet(SAW) or his companions and solatul-Ibrahimiyyah is best for us. Hence, tagged SALATUL-FATIHI as innovation.
I always heard that islam is completed, that it doesnt need to add more to it ~Q5:3. One thing that is very clear is that the SALATUL-FATIHI was introduced 1,100year after the demise of the prophet(SAW). If i get @AlBaqir right, Allah will forgive those that doesnt recite SALATUL-FATIHI because It was an updates, like Allah the most High just updated it through the sheikh that introduce it, and we that witness it must recite it.
No doubt! an update is good, infact! Sheikh faroq onikijipa gives another update that reciting SALATUL-FATIHI is more greater than observing solat and i have the video. one can simply wakes up and do it around fajr time and just read one and sleep back, invariably we can just downgrade solat and use SALATUL-FATIHI instead because the update is fine by us.
ehn! You cant object it! if you overruled the above statement, then the rest of this topic is meaningless.
Update is good, infact, you see automation industry like benz, we have benz 230 in 1990s and it cant be use anymore, so there was update such as benz GL350, GL450 which you will be marvelous about the updates and changes.
And in Christianity, there is update as well, that's why we have different bible according to batch of updates.
By updating our islam, below are the latest update: * SALATUL-FATIHI should be authenticated and cancel solatul-Ibrahimiyyah. version 1: by our noble sheikh Ahmad Tijani * SALATUL-FATIHI should be recited instead of observing 5 daily solat. version 1.5: by our noble sheikh farouq onikijipa
These are current versioning that i know, someone can just create a github repository for latest updates and versioning.
My dear comrades, innovation can never be best option.
and Allah knows best
it is unfortunate that your misconstrued everything. I just don't understand you people. Can you quote where Albaqir said solati Ibrahimiya should no longer be recited again?. Am I missing that?.
As for Sheikh Onikijika statement, this was explained over and over by several people. Please stop taking words out without understanding. I know Onikijika can be controversial sometimes. Now mufty of Yorùbáland, I'm sure you eschews some controversial topics now.
So to clarify, Sheikh Onikijika never meant solati fatih replaced obligatory Salat. It will be very important to reach out to him to explain to you before posting comment here. It was not only him that clarified himself. Others who understood him did as well.
As for bidia itself, no one is safe from it. Whether we like it or not bidia is divided into two. Even in Mecca they do the bidia. Qunut they recite in Ramadan, 20 rakat in Ramadan etc.. Did prophet muhammad do that?.
So reciting solati fatih is optional. If you want recite it. If you don't want leave it.