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shadeyinka:
I chose my words carefully:
The there were attempts to Crucify Jesus!
Muslims agree with the fact that the attempt did not succeed!
Christians agree that the attempt was successful!

who attempted to kill him?. Just say it..say it

You know that I have not even attempted to debunk the Qur'an. I only asked the question

If Jesus was taken up to heaven, was it in secrecy or in the presence of a few of the disciples?


You have not answered the question instead you are using evasive technique to avoid answering the question.

The Truth thrives on Questioning!

It means you have not been paying close attention to my posts and the other brother said similar. You not paying attention. This is probably the reason you failed to convert to islam in your 200L (bcuz you did not read or listen). Here is Qwuran verse again. Pay attention please


"And because of their saying (in boast), "We killed Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts.They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) ]:



See highlighted indicates some people were around but they had no knowledge what really happened. This is why accounts of Mark and Luke were mere cooked up stories about eyewitnesses. These contradictions are clear. This was the reason i attached pictures of crucifiction which differ from each other. So your question was answered. If you are not satisfied, i owe you no explanation.

shadeyinka:
Ore wa!

Sorry for how you feel about comments here.

The issue at stake is that Both Christians and Muslims believe that
1. God has power to do anything
2. Jesus son of Mary had no earthly father
3. There was an attempt by the Jews to Crucify Him

what are you saying?. Since my childhood christians have always held the believe that Jews killed Jesus and Jews confirmed this. This is another 1 mins video where they boast about killing Jesus. These are Jewish settlers in palestine


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6dTDbDpAPc

Pay attention to that Jewish boy. Listen to him carefully and compare his ugly statements with Quran


"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-" Quran 4:157

AmazingELixir:



Ok ooh..the parents should advise her not to push drugs again..she might have escaped diswan with the help of the Aso rock tyrant...there's no second chance oo

did you read her story at all?. She did not push drugs

SOFTENGR:
Good news if it's true.
Next time you will not go to a country where human lives are not valued, where an offender can be beheaded for a non-violent crime. Gruesome people.

imagine your Nigerian politicians are beheaded for looting billions of dollars and living their citizens in abject poverty, wouldn't you be thankful?

sagenaija:
It is this failure of majority of you Moslems to REASON logically that has made you accept accept 7th century Arabian tales as a collection from God.

at least our Book was dated "7th century" as you said. But yours had no date.


Bible ghost writers had to rewrite their famous King James in 1604 and completed as well as published it in 1611 centuries after Jesus. And you want me to believe their stories?.

You funny

Who are you?. Another mouthpiece?. He asked irrelevant question. Question he asked was not important to Muslims one bit. He claimed that there were eyewitnesses accounts of how his God was lifted up. But our Book made it clear that their so called eyewitnesses had no certain knowledge what actually happened. Upon looking in their Bible we realized our Book was saying the truth bcuz according to Gospels of Mark and Luke, they provided contradictory reports which validated what Qur'an said.


Before you jumped the gun you should have realized I already answered him. Now since you wanted to be their mouthpiece maybe you can help them?.

And who told you I was vexed?. You conclusion was wrong

nutarious:
Your Vexation didn't actually communicated anything meaningful. You must be conscious of the thousands of intelligent persons reading through.


The Question the Op was asking is if you actually trust the genuity of your Book then everything must be explained when it tries to give a Stand point to other people's faith.

Your book came 600years plus after Jesus's death and should actually have better statements than the one it tried to change.


The Question OP is asking if not answered makes your book another book of Faith but not necessarily of Truth.

For Truth is Verifiable.

That you strongly Beleive in your book dosnt make it a Truthful book, there other religion with their sacred books.

If your Faith Claims to carry truth, then it should be verified.

aadoiza:
Now Empir.ee is vexed..

lol... Yes, now..I was reluctant to say anything to him knowing how these CHRISTIANs behave. So he took that as weakness on my side so I gave him his dose.

shadeyinka:
Luke and Mark are two separate individuals who recorded what they knew about the event.

The almighty Allah who was correcting the Errors of Luke and Mark supplied even far less information than the gospels.

All the gospels are unanimous about the Crucifixion, death and resurrection of Christ. Muslims have to do better because
1. If you are not trying to rewrite history, then your narration must precisely clarify issues.
2. Even history is not on your side.

You can see that the question I have asked is not even on the Crucifixion or death of Christ. I have asked only about Allah taking Jesus up to heaven: was it secretly or in the presence of some disciples. This is not a difficult question to answer!

you need to try harder. Whatever happened was not the focus of Quran. What quran needed was that Jesus was not kill or crucified. This is sufficient for us. My question which both of you evaded was, who killed Jesus and who led them to his capture?.

We muslims are not interested in super story that took place. God tells us he was not killed he was not crucified. We don't need witnesses stories. As I said before, Quran goes further to say witnesses were in doubt and they have no knowledge of what actually happened.

Again, this is sufficient for us. We believe in what had been revealed to us. If witnesses were sure they would not give you two different accounts of his crucifixion.

Once again, Jesus said he would die in peace but his "death" according to CHRISTIANITY was very violent one. "Being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground” (Luke 22:44, emphasis added). Subsequently He is arrested, beaten, and executed in grotesque and humiliating fashion. The Roman system of crucifixion had been finely tuned to produce the maximum of pain. In fact, the word excruciating (literally, “out of the cross”) had to be invented to fully codify its horror.

If Mark and Luke accounts were recorded separately, didn't they get their information from the same source (s) {eyewitnesses}?. This means eyewitnesses accounts were false as Quran rightly said. Too much holes in your Bible.

shadeyinka:
If Jesus was taken to Heaven, was it in the presence of his disciples or not. If it was in the presence of his disciples, why would they cook up a lie that Jesus died a shameful and painful death on the cross?

you think I was interested in answering him?. I was not in mood with him one bit but later changed my mind. So now you can help him since you believe there were eyewitnesses?.

Why Mark and Luke accounts contradicted each other?. Which one should we believe?

sagenaija:
Even for Moslems it is a tough nut.

Despite the Koran’s claim that Jesus was not crucified or killed there is no confirmation within the Koran itself that someone else died in the place of Christ. All the Koran says is that it was made to appear as if Christ had been crucified. How this was done remains unanswered.

okay, now I seen your confusion. You believe God is powerful and can do anything, right?. If God is powerful, is He not powerful enough to cloud Jesus' killers and raise him up?. He created the universe. He created the sky without anything holding it up. Why is He not capable of raising Jesus to Himself however He wanted?. Unless you want to tell me now that God is not that powerful. How God lifted Jesus or what really happened was never a big matter of concern to us.

To complicate matters further, there are other passages in the Koran which seem to indicate that Jesus did die. Some Moslems say that references to Jesus’ death is future. But there is not even one single passage throughout the Koran showing that Jesus will return to die.

Yes, Jesus' death is in the future. When Jesus was born according to Quran, he spoke in his cradle: ".... Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I die"

Clearly, if someone is nailed on the cross, what do you call that?. Is that peaceful death?. That's violent death. To make the matter worse, CHRISTIANs continue to carry the cross to indicate how their God was violently killed.

According to CHRISTIANITY, Jesus was killed by Jews. My question to you is, if Jesus was killed, is killing not violent?. They nailed his hands and legs on the cross. They put on his head crown of thorns indicating his violent ending. This is contrary to Jesus statement that he would die peacefully. Therefore, he must return and later die in peace after he breaks the cross (symbolising end of CHRISTIANITY) and kill the pigs.

So we have ayah in sura 43:61 indicating his return


And he ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)] shall be a known sign for (the coming of) the Hour (Day of Resurrection) [i.e. 'Iesa's (Jesus) descent on the earth] . Therefore have no doubt concerning it (i.e. the Day of Resurrection). And follow Me (Allah) (i.e. be obedient to Allah and do what He orders you to do, O mankind)! This is the Straight Path (of Islamic Monotheism, leading to Allah and to His Paradise).

Also Quran tells us in one Ayah comparing sleep and death. It says when Allah takes soul while we asleep, those who wake up the following day is because Allah returns their soul until appointed time. Those who did not wake up and die in their sleep is because God took their soul. This is exactly how to discribe incident of Jesus because the same word is used "maut"

There were many witnesses to Jesus’ death and resurrection yet the Koran which came 600 years after claims that Allah DECEIVED people into believing that Jesus was crucified when he was not. What kind of god will DECEIVE people into believing an event took place when it did not and then turn around to blame them for believing what he, as a god, set up.

Quran already debunked this in the previous verse I quoted.

It says those who were present there were full of doubts and conjectures. This makes your claim irrelevant. Plus this narration of yours about witnesses can not be verified due to credibility of Bible and eyewitnesses. Quran speaks

"And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it." Sura 4:157

To further confirm doubts of the eyewitnesses you relied on, we seen their confusion in the narrations how Jesus was hanged on the cross. If they were not in doubt they should all give us one account how Jesus was hanged (see attachment)

Mark and Luke's accounts of crucifixion are different.

The Koran which affirms the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians as coming from God and then goes on to deny the central point of Christianity shows itself up for what it is.

sorry to disappoint you. Quran isn't talking about Bible according to John, Mathew, Mark and Luke. It is only talking about scripture given to Jesus. Chronological Gospels are according to their writers not Jesus. This refutes you in a very simple way.

^^

Who told you someone else died in his place?. Where is that written in the Qur'an?

Substitution was opinion of some scholars. I don't believe in theory of substitution

shadeyinka:
Which of the two versions happened?

what versions?

That they said (in boast),

"We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him,


but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts,


with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-Q4:157-158


So what version you want?

Chinakwam:
Muslims need to be wiped outta dis planet. They are the major problem of this world. I strongly believe dat Mohammed must be in hell now for deceiving our brothers and sisters.
That idiot get luck say no be dis century him come cus I trust Aba people...I know wetin dem for use him head do

seun, you need to ban this dude for making terror threat on muslims.

This is a potential terrorist here. Please do something fast about this guy before he does something silly.


His comment is in violation of NAIRALAND rules section 2, 3 and 7 'constitution'

shadeyinka:
I think you are still not comprehending the magnitude of the problem

If Allah took Jesus bodily to heaven, there are just two alternatives
1. It was in the presence of a few of Jesus disciples
OR
2. Jesus was taken up without the knowledge of any of His disciples

So, which one is it?

the clear verse is confusing you again?.

shadeyinka:
I understand that the Qur'an said so AND it directly contradicts what the Bible says. Hence for someone whose first knowledge is the Bible, shouldn't he ask relevant questions from Muslims?

One of the simplest question is
Can you explain
How Jesus was taken to heaven: Was it secretly or in the presence of some of the disciples?


Christians have details of how Christ was taken to heaven: it shouldn't be difficult finding out what the Islamic version says.

some you claimed to know what you believe, why are you concerned about Islam?. How about you sick to your belief?.

God raised him to Himself (both body and soul). That's all that is relevant. How, where, when are irrelevant. Quran provides prove that he was not killed nor crucified. Full stop.


Interesting Quran goes further to say those people who were present were doubtful and full of conjectures. That they don't really know what happened. Which means whatever story you want to come up with will breed more questions for you.

shadeyinka:
I believe you can see that as predicted, Muslims run away and avoid facing the truth about the Crucifixion, Death, Resurrection and Assension of Christ.


I am yet to see one Muslim willing to answer the simple questions.

Em.piree, I told you that I almost recited the shahada in my 200 Levels. This was one of the cardinal questions that turned me back. If seasoned Muslims like you cannot answer the question: woe betides the aspiring Muslims.

what stopped you and how's 'death of Jesus', ascension of Jesus and 'ressurection' of Jesus central aqeeda (Creed)?. Quran told us he was not killed nor crucified. Anything else you want?

shadeyinka:
I see you are still mixing up what a creed is and what a commandment is.









Love your God and Love Man is a COMMAND! And it is the greatest commandment.

Jesus, Crucified, Died, Rose from the dead on the third day is a CREED!

After distinguishing between the two (Commandment and Creed):

Both are extremely important. You cannot take one and leave the other. The evidence that you belong to Christ is when you obey His command. What makes you Christ's is your Faith: summarised in the Christians creed.

Now that I have answered your questions, answer my own.

BOY, bye

shadeyinka:
Since you seem not to know the meaning of creed.

And I didn't attempt to give you a systematic load down of all the Christian faith creed.

And for your information, a Creed is different from a commandment!

Do you want a definition and a link to clarify this too?


Therefore, stop being an escapist and answer the question. The question is just one of several impossible questions for you to answer.

Can you now please explain
How Jesus was taken to heaven: Was it secretly or in the presence of some of the disciples?

why must I answer your question?.

Back to first point. Fine, there are many things beneath CREED. So which is the most important?. Loving the Lord or Jesus was Crucified, Died, was Buried and Rose from the death on the third day?.

This is why he's broke. Black people don't think.

All these cars he owned he paid taxes and insurance on them. Where did that go? To White people.

They took everything back from back door.

Wait for Mayweather, if he doesn't think now his wealth will be gone. Do you think this is Nigeria where pastors buy jets and parked them on Nigeria soil for free?. The moment Buhari cut that sh!t off, they started selling their jets.

So this is why this dude went broke. Why couldn't he invest his money?. Remember Douglas?. After Douglas won big fight, money accrued from that he invested in real estate. His real estate still functioning.

autojosh:
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Mike Tyson was one of the toughest and most dreaded figures in boxing history.

His first 19 fights were won by knockouts. Twelve (12) of those demolitions were in the first round.

At the peak of his boxing career, he amassed an estimated net worth of about $300 million.

Sadly, he blew this fortune on a lavish lifestyle.

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Tyson also achieved fame (or notoriety) for his extraordinary habit of acquiring luxury cars.

In 2002, after his defeat to Lennox Lewis, Tyson fortune suffered a significant decline.

In 2003, after a bout of overspending and the accumulation of taxes, he filed for Bankruptcy.

Sadly, the Hall of Fame boxer had to sell most of his cars to auctions and celebrity museums.

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At the peak of his boxing career,  “Iron Mike” Tyson’s car collection included: several Rolls-Royces, Range Rover, Porsches, Jaguars, Aston-Martin Lagonda, BMWs, Cadillac Escalade, Lamborghinis, etc.

Autojosh highlights some of his popular automobiles and a brief history behind each.





Cadillac Eldorado

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Following a successful amateur career, Tyson joined the professional rank in 1985.  After winning his first 19 fights, he was hailed as the “Golden child” of the division. To match the new reputation, he fittingly bought for himself ‘the golden one’, a Cadillac Eldorado.




1985 Cadillac Seville
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After the death of his influential trainer - D'Amato - in November 1985, Jim Jacobs took over as Tyson’s trainer. Jacobs acquired for Tyson a Cadillac Seville. This early taste of luxury automobiles obviously sparked a passion in Tyson for cars.




Rolls-Royce Silver Spur
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In 1986, after defeating James Smith to claim the WBA title, Tyson visited a luxury car dealership. He told the dealer that he wanted a Rolls-Royce. Mike’s new manager Jacobs stopped him and ordered that he should suspend the purchase until he was 21.

Tyson returned to the dealership on June 30, his 21st birthday, to purchase a blue Rolls-Royce Silver Spur. The car cost him $119,500.




Rolls-Royce Corniche
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In 1987, after defeating Tony Tucker to claim the IBF belt to hold all three-title straps, Tyson rewarded himself with a Rolls-Royce Corniche. The car cost him $165,000.




Rolls-Royce Stretch Limousine
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In 1988, after Tyson crashed his convertible Bentley, boxing promoter, Don King, bought Tyson two luxury cars: a black Rolls-Royce Stretch Limousine for $198,000 and another ivory Corniche.




1989 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class 560SL
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After the demolition of British Frank Bruno, Tyson rewarded himself with a white 1989 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class 560SL. It was reported that the 5.6-liter V8 car was a favourite of Tyson’s friend, rapper Tupac Shakur.  Tupac was believed to have influenced Tyson’s purchase of the car. The car has a top speed of around 137 miles per hour and come in both a Hard Top and Soft Top version.




1990 Mercedes Benz 500 SL
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On February of 1990, James ‘Buster’ Douglas defeated the Champ – Iron Mike Tyson. This left Tyson losing the 3 titles he held. Regardless, on June of the same year, Tyson comforted himself with a 1990 Mercedes Benz 500 SL. The car came complete with a mobile phone (yes, a mobile phone was a big deal back then).  Days before his fight with amateur rival, Henry Tillman, the car was impounded by the police.




1995 Ferrari F50 and Ferrari 456 GT Spyder
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During the early 90’s, Tyson returned to the ring after serving a jail term for rape. He brutalized Frank Bruno to regain his WBC title.

With his return to big earnings, came a return to his acquisition of luxury car collection.

He added to his car collection the Italian luxury cars - a 1995 Ferrari F50 and a Ferrari 456 GT Spyder - in a package deal. The GT Spyder was the last special production 456 produced as a convertible, with a limited number rolled out the factory. Two of this car model were specially built by Pininfarina: one for the Sultan of Brunei and one for Tyson.



See The 10 Most Expensive Cars Owned By Floyd Mayweather HERE



Aston-Martin Lagonda
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Mike Tyson loved classic cars too. He owned an Aston-Martin Lagonda.

This car was built by Aston Martin of Newport Pagnell, England, between 1974 and 1990.  Only 645 were produced. The car has a 5.3 liter DOHC V8 engine, producing 280 bhp and has a top speed of 149 mph (240 km/h) and an acceleration speed of 0–60 mph in 6.2 seconds.

The classic Aston-Martin Lagonda cost about $200,000 dollar.




1997 Bentley Continental T
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Evander Holyfield handed Tyson a shock defeat. A rematch was slated. This became one of the most hotly anticipated rematches in boxing history.

Before the infamous second fight (when Tyson bit Holyfield’s ear) he purchased a stunning 1997 Bentley Continental T. The car had a price-tag of around $500,000.The car is regarded as the era of the last proper hand-built Bentleys.  The car came with an authoritative 6.75-liter turbocharged injection engine that punches with 426hp and a maximum torque of 645 lb-ft. Only 73 units of this car were produced.




2000 Lamborghini Diablo VT Roadster
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In 1996, Tyson retained his WBA title in a controversial victory over Bruce Seldon.

That same night, his friend, Tupac Shakur, was tragically shot and killed. That notwithstanding, he rewarded himself with a classic yellow Lamborghini Super Diablo Twin Turbo.Only 7 of this car was built.

The car has a price tag today of around $150,000 dollars and features a custom V12 750 HP engine that has a healthy top speed of 358 Km/h. (222 Mph).





Jaguar XJ220
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the Jaguar XJ220 is considered as one of the fastest supercars available. Iron Mike Tyson owned one.


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shadeyinka:
Can anyone deny this and still be called a Christian?
Just like can anyone deny the shahada and call himself a Muslim?

Don't shift yet goalpost yet. You have unfinished business.

So far you have at least 3 different most important creeds. Of these three, which one is the most important?

You can't solve this, yet you want muslims to answer you about death of Jesus?

shadeyinka:
Can someone become a Muslim by worshiping Allah and yet denying the shahada?

That isn't what makes you a Christian my dear. That is the greatest commandment!

It's not even about worship: it is about LOVE for God and LOVE for Man
Mat 22:36-40:
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? Thereupon Jesus said to him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang the whole law and the prophets."

But like expected I understand that you'll dodge the question

Secondly, you are the one to talk about islam: that is the essence of the questions.

What is so difficult in explaining:
How Jesus was taken to heaven?
Was it secretly or in the presence of some of the disciples?

still contradict yourself.


You said



"The most important creed in the Christian faith is that Jesus was Crucified, Died, was Buried and Rose from the death on the third day. It is impossible to be a Christian if an iota of the above is denied."


Make up your mind.

Surrogation is alien in Islam unfortunately. It is modern Western innovation. Just because it provides temporary "solution" doesn't make it halal.


There is question about lineage here. There is a hadith of the prophet (saw) which says one of the Signs of the Hour is a slave girl would give birth to her mistress.


Surrogate literally means “substitute.” In this case, a woman bears a child for another woman. The concept of surrogacy is a by-product of artificial insemination (AI) and in-vitro fertilization (IVF) techniques.


The Hadith speaks in a pregnant and tactical form. In Western world it is very costly to surrogate. This is why I believe the hadith really makes sense. Although there are views of classical scholars in their interpretation. But we can look at it from contemporary view as well.

Most western women can not afford surrogation which cost up to $150,000. Therefore, Western woman travels to 3rd world country to bring poor lady to United States for instance. Mistress (American woman's husband's sperm) artificially inseminated into this poor slave woman and she carries the pregnancy. She gets the best food, best treatment and all that. After delivering the baby, baby is taken away from her and she's discharged with token or far less than average cost of surrogation in the West. This poor lady is 'happy' to have carried first class baby. Often time, they don't bring the lady to the West. Everything is done in her home country.

Anyways, bottom line is she gives birth to her mistress. Lineage issue is on the line. Speaking on Islamic law on this issue,


"The purpose of law that is most related to the topic of surrogacy is protection of progeny. As Islam encourages reproduction, it advocates treatment of infertility. Further, protection of progeny entails care for pregnant women and the health of the children. It further entails preservation of lineage. Each newborn should know and be related to both his/her mother and father.

Hiring a ‘womb’ for procreation is a very recent phenomenon that contemporary jurists have to handle. Islamic bioethics cannot accept this practice because surrogacy is a clear form of using donor sperm, a foreign element, in the womb of a woman which results in the mixing of lineage. Mufti Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, an Islamic scholar, opines that the introduction of male sperm into the uterus of a woman to whom he is not married transgresses the bounds of Allah."



In view of the term ‘transgressing the bounds of Allah’ he mentions the following verses of the Qur’ān:



and who are mindful of their chastity, [not giving way to their desires] with any but their spouses or what their right hands possess”: for then, behold, they are free of all blame, whereas such as seek to go beyond that [limit] are truly transgressors.


Again, a very basic component of hifz al-nasl is to protect lineage.

shadeyinka:
The most important creed in the Christian faith is that Jesus was Crucified, Died, was Buried and Rose from the death on the third day. It is impossible to be a Christian if an iota of the above is denied. Its like saying can one be a muslim and yet deny either the oneness of Allah or that Mohammed is the prophet of allah.

misplaced priority

You need to first figure out which is the most fundamental creed of CHRISTIANITY before you even talk about Islam.

You contradicted Jesus Christ. According to Jesus, first Commandment is You Worship Your God Alone which is in tandem with Islam. You failed woefully

Abdulbasit9:
Everybody has second thought about everything. We're all human, no one is perfect. Even scholars do have their moments of doubt.

not on this cheap topic

And let me also explained what you don't understand. True2god was right about what muslims told him


What you don't understand is that Sharia is divided into 4 categories. But it is actually 2 major categories. The other two are subs.

The first two categories are mentioned in the Qur'an. These can opinion of anyone. They are:


Category #1

Obligatory practices - to believe in tawheed, to perform daily salat, to pay zakat, fast holy month of Ramadan and go to Hajj.


These are the first set of Sharia law that are not questionable but you have questioned them.




Category #2

These are set of Laws mentioned in the Qur'an. They are four (4) rulings. Some say they are 5. Either way there are no difference of opinion on them. They are:

# punishment for murder

# punishment for theft

# punishment for adultery

# punishment for highway robbery
{War against God (Hirabah) and Corruption on Earth (Mofsed-e-filarz). Traditionally defined as banditry or highway robbery punished with crucifixion}


So all these are Divinely revealed and PERFECT. Your opinion doesn't count. And ofcourse, I don't need to tell your that evidences are needed before they are carried out. So when we say Sharia law is perfect this is what we refer to.



Other for of Sharia law are sins and crimes which punishment(s) are not directly mentioned in the Qur'an. They are mentioned in Hadith. For instance, drinking alcohol, giving false testimony, etc we know these are evil acts. But according Mr. Usermane, "if God doesn't mention punishment for a crime or sin in the Qur'an, State or anyone doesn't have right to punish the person. We are to leave him alone for God to judge." This ideology of your is very silly.


Homosexuality actually falls in the category of highway robbery. This is corruption in the lands. This is called 'fassad'. Fassad is not just corruption but it also destroys community. Therefore, homosexual is corruption in the land.


So other offences not mentioned in the Qur'an, we now look into Hadith. Like for instance in the Hadith we learned that punishment for drinking alcohol is flogging by 40 or 60 strokes depending on school of law. Also giving false witness, there is no Divinely revealed Ayah to punish then but there are Divinely revealed Ayah forbidden it. It is up to State to punish. In common law you may be jailed. Some of these punishments are subjective to culture.

They are considered to be Sharia law in Muslim country but are subject to change with time. They may not be perfect. Citizens may not be comfortable with them but once the law of the land says homosexual for instance is a crime punishable by death or prison, you, Mr. Username have no right to condemn it. It doesn't matter what Western countries do because you use them as standards to condemn Sharia.. So kindly please and please respect Islamic law for what it is or get out of Islam once and for all so that we know your position.

Since you claim to "defend" Quran, what is the punishment for "theft" according to Quran?. Can you answer this because you just said amputation is not acceptable. This is not Hadith. I know your previous position on this years ago even though you tried to panelbeat the ayah. It seems to me you have now rejected that Ayah of Quran. So tell us openly that you no longer believe the Ayah. The punishment for theft in the Ayah is hukm of Allah.


As for immediate burial, if authority demands autopsy it will be delayed until it is carried out.

Stop being nuisance. And those who kept their diseased in the freezer for months, of what benefit is that?.

aadoiza:
From experience, they'd probably say: This is Africa and not Saudi, and that Africa was created with a particular "Odu Ifa", so there is no way you could use Allah's names without juxtaposing Ifa with them. And also that the village people here don't understand Arabic, for example, you're reading ayatul Qurisiyu for protection from "winch" they won't understand and they'll be no effects unless you speak the language they understand. These are some of the justifications they give

this is really pathetic if this is their silly excuse

CORRECTION CBSNews just corrected it.

They said he's "linked to mosque". That the guy's online manifesto says he confessed that he's responsible for "arson attack on a mosque nearby" a month before last Saturday Synagogue shootings.

He's a Christian by religion. Therefore, he's a Christian terrorist. Read attachments and reference link below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thedailyreporter.com/zz/news/20190428/who-is-john-earnest-suspect-in-poway-synagogue-shooting%3ftemplate=ampart

True2god,

See what I'm talking about?.

When Sri Lanka bombing occurred, I tried to convince your fellow CHRISTIANs who insisted it is "islamic terrorists" who carried out the attacked, that it is just a part of larger conspiracy network.... The Islamophobia.

I said that folks behind these killings are common enemies of humanity but our Christian brothers and sisters won't agree. I also said that next shooting would be on mosque or synagogue.

So here we are. It happened in California I think. I didn't pay much attention since i heard about it days ago. This evening on ABCworld news, they revealed identity of the shooter. He's a 19yr old white boy. But the media said he's connected to a mosque

This anchor didn't blink once before he said this. Right away, injured Jewish rabbi said it is "Islamic terrorists"

Now you can understand my stance all the time the very reason I refused to believe media. They are the problem. The White guy who killed 50 people in NZ is CHRISTIAN by background. Why did they not quick to say he's CHRISTIAN terrorist bcus of his CHRISTIAN background?. They even found it difficult to say he's white supremacist.

So if you don't understand at this point that media spreads hatred against Islam and muslims, I don't know what else to tell you.

I am glad they called him terrorist but must they say he's connected to mosque to gain sympathy?. Shooter's name s John Earnest.

Next time you come across group, say hello to "Alfa" in the group only and remind them of Allaah's verses. No need to argue with them. Just wait to see what they say to determine their intentions.

YUNGCONCEPT11:
Walahi I was shocked when I saw this group chat on one Alfa phone I met not quite long...seriously I confirmed wat u said.
Am just wondering why all dis new generation afa are looking for quick way, they are loosing gold and embracing ordinary metal.
No power on earth can supass the power Allah Swt inscribe in the Alquran.
The story of sheik ibrahim niyass came to mind, all his dawah trips to different part of the world meeting g people who claimed to be powerful but proofing to them that their sorcery and magic is just lies. Only Allah is the possesor of power, but he has helped the Muslim ummah with the Holy quran making it a Guardian and also a source of spiritual knowledge.
Allah Akbar
No deity worthy of worship except Allah Swt, prophet Muhammed saw. Is his true and final messenger.

Give them benefits of the doubt. Being in the group is not a full proof but definitely grey area. If it is true, then, they are the ones that is giving Alhusunnah nerve to condemn all Alfas. I don't like relating with such Alfas. When they entered alliance with alawo, they have entered igbo irunmole of no return.

Razram:
Unveiling like? Pls I need more explanation on this

Read sheikh Adam about "unveiling" reality. Simply means "spiritual acumen" for short. I just wanted to save my time from typing.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

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