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Islam › Re: Hijab Propaganda by Empiree: 6:31pm On May 05, 2019

true2god:
I think this hijab 'politics' is nothing but Arab's cultural invasion of non-arab (or non-muslim) lands. The political/religious acceptance of hijabs often come with Islamic, and Arab cultural, package.

Since Hijab or covering is addressed in the Quran, and Quran is universal Book, then it is not Arab culture but muslims regardless of race. Quran is not for Arabs.

Just like you addressed the issue of homosexual been detested 50yrs ago in the West, Western civilization themselves were modest and had some sort of scarfs on until they became ungodly. Orthodox christianity still largely maintain the standard. So, op can post anything he likes. So hijab is no politics nor is it Arab culture.

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 4:56pm On May 05, 2019

I am not arguing for a lesser punishment. I'm only pointing out that even if homosexuality is bad, it is nowhere as bad as murder and it's punishment shouldn't be same with murder. I am pointing at a cognitive dissonance and poor judgement on the part of 'kill homosexual' crowd.

Homosexuals harm no one, especially where their homosexuality is innate rather than a lifestyle choice. I wouldn't compare them to serial killers.

As to homosexuality being a virus, kindly find a cure for the individuals infected by the virus. Remember, you don't punish a sick man, you cure him.

Also start to consider why God created homosexuals. Don't say homosexuality is not natural or is a personal choice because even if this is true in certain cases, there are cases where the homosexuals can't help it at all.

And I have shown you how people are born with all kinds of 'disorders'. If you haven't heard, please search online for Intersex and Disorders of Sexual Development. All these facts lend credit to the position that homosexuality is inborn.

lie! No one born homosexual. They adopted the practice by virtue of free socity and law protecting them. That's exactly what people of Lot did. If it was individual doing it in their own privacy and in secret, that's none of anyone's business. But the moment they propagate and encourage people and figuring for their right under the law, this attrach punishment on Earth and ultimately attracts God's wrath as discribed by the Qur'an that God's punishment encompasses both guilts and innocents.

The ways we exceed the measures set by Allah and violate His laws of cause and effect is incredible. It is really the mercy of Allah that we are saved.

If Allah were to punish people according to what they deserve, He would not leave on the back of the (earth) a single living creature; but He gives them respite for a stated Term. When their Term expires, verily Allah has in His sight all His servants. (Fatir 35:45)

Sometimes Allah does punish some people because of their violations of His laws whether they are physical or moral. Homosexuality is prime example. When the general punishment comes then the sinners and the innocents are all destroyed. The Qur'an tells us that many nations and communities were destroyed because of their sinful lifestyles.

When sin is confined only sinner faces consequences but when sin (homosexual) is gloried and protected under common law, expect trouble is religious do not respond to curb it. Otherwise, all of us will be punished including you, Mr. pro gay hiding behind progressive and human right.

Again, let me repeat the Ayah of Qur'an

(35:45) If Allah were to take people to task for their deeds, He would not leave any living creature on earth, but He grants them respite to an appointed time. When their appointed time comes to an end, surely Allah fully observes His servants.

This means when this evil homononsense reaches climax, I'm afraid mister, we all gonna share punishments. This is what people of Lut did. They encouraged and subsequently legalized homosexual. This led to their destruction.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 3:54pm On May 05, 2019*

shadeyinka:
I am hearing of this your angle for the first time.
If I get you well, you are saying:
1. Jesus wasnt Crucified
2. But Jesus is Dead
3. Then resurrected to be taken up to heaven

Qur'an4:157 - 158,
[So We cursed them for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God." And they did not kill him , nor did they crucify him ; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, God raised him to Himself. And ever is God Almighty and Most Wise.

If I understand your position, are you saying that instead of the Jews and Romans killing Jesus, it was Allah himself that killed him?

Why also then would Allah have kill Jesus to raise Him to himself?

You are the one devoid of understanding. What sulasa07 said is not peculiar at all. This is why I said you don't understand our posts. That's why you keep asking silly question.

There are only two views regarding crucifixion of Jesus in Islam. All the Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, Ahmadiyyah or Quranites and all subsects believe that Jesus was not killed and was not crucified exactly as Quran said. This is contrary to CHRISTIANS belief. You belief Jesus was killed by his enemies (Jews and Romans).

However, please pay close attention to the verse again that you quoted. Ahmadiyyah however believe Jesus had died. That's, he died of natural cause by God before being killed. This believe of them stemmed from Ayah they misinterpreted or they used wrong methodology. Their problem is the word "mutawafika" used in sura Al-Imran verse 55 which denotes 'death' or termination of life.

They misunderstood this Ayah due to wrong methodology they used. So they believe that Allaah's plan was to end Jesus life before his enemies did.

What they don't understand however is that God used the same word is sura az-Zumar 39:42

[I]Allah takes the souls at the time of their death, and those that do not die [He takes] during their sleep. Then He keeps those for which He has decreed death and releases the others for a specified term. Indeed in that are signs for a people who give thought.[/I]

I talked about this earlier but obviously you don't read to understand anything. I explained similarities between death and sleep. The same or similar word is used to describe Death and See. When we sleep means we are temporarily dead until we wake up. Those who don't wake up are dead. "Muta", "muta"wafika, 'maut' etc which also refer to taking Jesus away from his enemies.

The difference which you failed to understand is being killed by enemies which Quran refuted over and over AND God taken one's life. The later is what Ahmadiyyah believe. If they had believe in the former, that would mean rejection of the Ayah which is kufr (disbelieve).

So this belief of Ahmadiyyah on crucifixion of Jesus is now spreading amongst Sunni but very low percentage. Also Quraniyun or Quranites (Hadith rejectoers) have the same belief that Jesus has died but not killed nor crucified.

So in a nutshell, no Muslim believe Jesus was killed on the cross since Quran is clear on that. But majority of the Muslims believe Jesus was not killed nor crucified not was his life taken by God. Rather, God raised him up to Himself. So he's coming back bcus another Ayah clarify his eventual return in Quran 43:61

He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me."

And, of course, we have numerous ahadith that gave us clear picture that Jesus did not die and he will return to Earth rest his hands on the wings of the two angels.

So your question that you want to know how God raised him whether in the presence of people or in secret is 100% irrelevant to muslims.

Let me also point out that there are some amongst Ahmadiyyah who believe that Jesus escaped from his captors to Indian and live Kashmir (India) for number of years before he died natural death. This also means that they do not believe Jesus was crucified or killed by his enemies. But their idea that he escaped to India who now reincarnated to their leader, Mirza Gulam Ahmad is heretic.

So do you understand now?. If you don't please read over again before you ask same silly question again.

So your question, How did Jesus Die and Raised?. Was it in secret or it was in public?

Answer 1: he did not die

Answer 2: irrelevant

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 1:28am On May 05, 2019

nutarious:
Shalom

walaikum salaam

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 9:37pm On May 04, 2019

^^^

The dude is off in the name of progressivism.

There was a Spanish guy in the USA also sentenced to jail several times for killings and had been released over and over again. The last time he was arrested and sentenced again was not long ago for killing cops.

In his court sentencing he was smiling and felt no remorse. He said in the presence of judge if he get more chance he would look like more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRpcPi5bQpw

According to username the guy should be pat on the back, he should be given American cheese and finally sent to Disneyland. Mtcheww

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 7:12pm On May 04, 2019

It is unfortunate I cannot post the rest of my critique of anti-gay rhetorics. Anti-spam bot keeps banning me.

What I'll state from what I gathered is that homosexuality could be natural. People are born with all kinds of anormalies; down syndrome, autism, ADHD, diabetes mellitus, intersex etc. There is chance that homosexuality is just another one of inborn anomalies.

So, I disagree especially with religious people that just want to scream 'evil' when homosexuality is mentioned.

Muslim my foot. The dude above brilliantly summed it up.

It is greater evil that causes destruction of family and society.. Therefore, DEATH penalty for the culprits and accomplices like this fellow saying trash. angry

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 7:07pm On May 04, 2019

true2god:
I don't think homosexuality should be a lesser crime in any society. Homosexuality is the beginning of the destruction of the family structure in any society, and a healthy family unit determines how far a society can evolve into a prosperous and happy one. I support any punishment for homosexuals; it is a practice completely against the law of human reproductive nature and must never be allowed to take root any any society. Some 50years back homosexuals in Europe and the US had to hide to avoid being lynch or killed by a random person or mob but today the evil global media (CNN, BBC, NYT, MSNBC, Facebook, etc), in conjunction with the liberals and the progressive, are pushing its acceptance into the mainstream society. Schools, and even some churches, in the US are encouraging and promoting this evil and anyone that speaks against it is called a 'bigot', 'homophobic' and it has become a 'hate-crime' to condemn it. I do respect any society that frown at it with a very stiff punishment.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 3:34pm On May 04, 2019

nutarious:
Let's prove the core message of this Two Religion philosophy.

You a Muslim go to a church and throw a stone in the middle of the congregation and see what they will do to you.

Compare it with A Christian doing same to a congregation of Muslim in fellowship.

The Spirit of the Faith will be revealed.

How do you follow someone who said he dosnt know exactly if its Heaven or Hell he is going. Muhammad wrote this himself.

So who is Confused here?

Jesus has been a blessing to the world, even Ghandi of Indian is a better leader than Muhammad.

How a last prophet will be so incomparable to the previous is a question that's a sane mind should question.

You must be the real confused person. You need Jesus.

you ain't here to learn anything. It will be a good waste of my time to engage you.

Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 3:33pm On May 04, 2019

tintingz:
Again, there are two main types of surrogacy, traditional surrogacy and gestational surrogacy.

Here's from a Surrogate site.

The main difference between gestational and traditional surrogacy is simple: in traditional surrogacy, the surrogate’s eggs are used, making her the biological mother of the child she carries; in gestational surrogacy, the surrogate has no biological link to the baby.
https://surrogate.com/about-surrogacy/types-of-surrogacy/traditional-vs-gestational-surrogacy-whats-best-for-my-family/

A surrogate mother is just the carrier that is the deal she has with them, the baby has no biological link to her. If it's the traditional process then she's the mother since her egg was used.

I didn't tell you I don't understand what both mean.

That surrogate mother in gestational surrogacy is "just a carrier" means she's birth mother. This record can not be erased.

Perhaps, the most compelling evidence supporting my position is the ayah in Surah al-Mujadalah (58: 2) where the Quran says:

“…their mothers are only those who conceived them and gave birth to them (waladna hum).”

The baby was conceived and birth by surrogate mother. This is the meaning of the Ayah and the Ayah can not just be discarded just because of benefits derived from gestational surrogacy.

https://www.ilmgate.org/the-islamic-ruling-on-surrogate-motherhood/

In the article above from Islam's views, writer cited some facts using analogies. Now, I am not saying whoever wants to use surrogacy of any kinds can't. Anyone can do whatever they want. But as Muslims view this issue from Islamic standpoint. You need to understand this.

Again, definition of "mother" in Islam is a woman who conceived and birth a child.

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Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 10:50am On May 04, 2019

tintingz:
I think this Ignorance is still making you people reason illogically. You guys are still confusing this to traditional surrogacy. There is difference between traditional surrogacy and gestational surrogacy.

The gene in sperm and egg are collected from the intended parents is much compare to little blood passed to the baby from the surrogate mother, her egg is not used but the intended parent egg, that blood cannot become gene in the baby, the sequence is very low to be a gene. So yes there's no effect even if the surrogate mother passes any blood to the baby.

Whatever the reasons someone wants to have a child through surrogacy is their business, as long as there are consent and not harmful, it's non of anyone's business.

As for the image, that's not a professional surrogacy procedures.

you are still saying the same thing they said. You said my attachment is not a professional surrogacy procedure?. Says who?. That attachment was not from muslim website. From the link I got it from they explained surrogacy is of two types, genetic and gestational. In genetic surrogacy, the ovum of the surrogate is artificially inseminated by the donor’s sperm (the father of the child). In gestational surrogacy, the ovum of a woman is fertilized by the sperm of a male in vitro and the resulting embryo is implanted in the uterus of the surrogate.

The couple may choose surrogacy over adoption because the child will be at least half-related to them (in genetic surrogacy). Sometimes, unmarried couples look for a surrogate mother although the practice is not very common.

I honestly don't trust it whether genetic procedure or gestational. This is not about ignorance. We have every right to be concerned.

From Islam perceptive, surrogate mother's is birth mother regardless of how she's conceived. It is like you were born in Nigeria. You migrate to US and become US citizen. Just because you are now US citizen doesn't automatically erases your country of birth. US authority inscribes your country of birth on your US passport to indicate your were born in Nigeria. So nothing erases the fact that surrogate mother is your birth mother even if DNA doesn't mix 100%

I don't undermine this phenomenon though. It is interesting.

Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 5:48am On May 04, 2019

tintingz:
Yes the baby can marry the real child of the surrogate mother I think. They don't share same gene.

To clarify you again, the gene of the surrogate mother does not pass to the baby, the baby still carries the intended parents gene/DNA since they collected the intended parents sperm and egg, even if some cell of the surrogate mother Is pass to the baby in the womb it will have no effect on the baby because they are minuscule to be a gene.

So a baby born out of surrogacy is still genetically related to the intended parents not the surrogate mother!

At this point, after reading some materials, I am off the opinion that surrogacy is not allowed in Islam.

Therefore, I'm in support of Rashduct4luv. I read articles from Western point of views on surrogacy. One said briefly just what your said here. Although you said surrogate mother's gene does not pass to the baby. The article suggest that 99% surrogate mother's DNA does not pass to the baby and that even if it passes to the baby it does little effect.

See, that one percent means a lot. There is no doubt that gene mixes since they aren't sure 100% it doesn't.

As for the second opinion from Western perceptive, that one suggests zero relation between the baby and intended mother. This is RED FLAG. This would make it Haram. Not only Haram but the artificial insemination itself. This makes surrogacy Haram from islamic perceptive.

Islam doesn't have to be specific whether it is Haram or not. We just need to study the conditions, procedure and outcome of it if they are in harmony with Sharia. The article further says married women seek surrogacy for different reasons not just infertility. It say some married women may have busy schedule with work and they don't want to carry pregnancy. So they seek alternative which is surrogacy.

Honestly this is not even legal excuse under Sharia. And their husband's sperm is used to fertilize surrogate mother's egg. Honestly, this is alien in Islam and comes under Haram. It also says homosexual couple also seek this alternative.

For now, I do not see satisfactory view point on surrogacy under Sharia. Therefore, I consider it Haram. This is not the only one I read. This is just heads-up. Note that we are not concerned about atheists or CHRISTIANs, freethinkers or Western opinion on this. They can do as they wish.

One thing is clear to me, there is mixtures of gene/DNA on this matter which I raised earlier. I understand if someone is presented this only option to procure baby as sarahade said but this is another topic and it doesn't in any way suggest permisibility. You accept this option out desperation. It doesn't make halal and it doesn't make a person hypocrite.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 10:13pm On May 03, 2019

CONFUSIONIST cheesy

nutarious:
The Problem here is Common sense to question events since Faith will be Built on it.

Muhammad saw Gabriel and received from him. The Quran recommended that if for clarity all muslim should go back to the Bible.

Unfortunately, the same Muslim Sheiks have rejected the Bible saying it was compromised since its message and the one brought by Muhammad Contradict each other.

But beyond arqueing, all proper should study the revelation of Gabriel to Daniel. Have not heard of any Muslim scholars reject The Book of Daniel.

Study the revelation of Daniel with his encounter with Gabriel and check with Muhammad then you will see there is a mix up somewhere.

The problem Christians had with Muslim is that though Muslim believe in the word of Allah, there is no witness.

Witness is important if not deceptions is inevitable, a Almighty God will know that, Muhammad said he dosnt know where he is going (hell or heaven).

Even he is uncertain. So how can we believe everything he said he got. No witness.

Now the question OP asked if not answers by Quran then it's not enough to say It wasn't Jesus that died on the Cross when there is dated historical and Known fact that Jesus died.

Accepting a Faith in Africa is a problem. Our parents force their Faith on Us. Either Christian or Muslim it's time we ask question and be sure of our Faith and not just be Convinced just because its a way of life we grew up with.

But personally am convinced, a last Prophet who God will use should have better character, assignment and moral responsibility than Jesus.

Muhammad beyond the faith of respecting him can never be compared to Jesus based on leadership, morals and character. A waring Prophet after Jesus should definitely be a Negative to the Last Prophet.

One was willing to die and raise disciples that did the same, the other was involved in War and blood was shed.

I wonder on what ground the two faith Can stand. Do when a later faith tried to make statements to outdo the former we should question it and we have. No Answer, other than insult and arrogance.

You are a true definition of confusion

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Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 7:13pm On May 03, 2019

OvaSabi1:
Which study that is peer reviewed, do you have to cite regarding your assertion that Western women have a lower fertility rate and that this is based on their technological advancement too

why do you think they protest power plants from being installed in inhabited neighborhood?. It is because this power line, wireless/WiFi poles emit radiation which affect fertility. Don't get me wrong. It affects men too.

"Their great strength is their weakened"

Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 7:06pm On May 03, 2019

MissRaine69:
I had a fertility clinic in Lagos I can assure you fertility issues are rife regardless of location.
Higher in Nigeria based on population size

Thank God you said LAGOS. Lagos is a big city.

So I guess I was trying to tell you that this fertility issue is high in technologically advanced areas. Lagos is advance. You can't compare it to remote country side. I said in my previous post that those Western women go to 3rd countries usually remote places. This is not difficult to understand now.

Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 5:40pm On May 03, 2019

OvaSabi1:
I like the way you arrived at that your master-slave analogy. Wuru wuru to the answer. Every argument I have seen against this has not been able to do without the "western" angle. How about the millions of women in low income countries who are infertile? Or is it only western women who use surrogacy?

Well, Western world is the leading world in science and technology. So it is normal to cite them. Besides, they are also the highest rate in infertility cause by the same technological advancement of thier.That's why they go to remote countryside in 3rd world countries to pick these poor women. Their great strength is also thier weakness. If you think i made this up, do research for yourself.

It is very costly in the West to do surrogation as much as 130-150 thousand dollars. So they go over their like Banglashe, India, Sri Lanka etc to pay these women 7000-10000 dollars. I never said women in poor countries don't have fertility problems. They do too. Theirs is lower compare to the West. Technology contributed to this fertility problem and other causes as well.

Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 4:26pm On May 03, 2019

Let's just say it is RED LINE area. I refrained from judging whether surrogacy is halal or Haram. My only concern is about lineage because, I believe that in surrogacy, there is mix of DNA. This places question mark on this modern innovation.

Insemination of sperm through IVF is not essentially the problem but the result. I'm saying this to clarify a brother's post insinuating that if a practice was not done by sahaba (companions if the prophet -SAW) and those who followed them, then this action of surrogation is not permissible.

I must say this is not religious ritual matter but ijtihad or alternative solution to women having difficulties getting pregnant. Therefore we should not be quick to assume that if sahaba didn't do this automatically means we can't. Surrogation did not exist those days.

Hadith which speaks on slave girl giving birth to her mistress does not say that it is Haram or halal but says it is only Sign of End Time.

Again, surrogation in itself is modern development but the process and the result is where attention to details is mostly needed. Therefore, I believe DNA is questionable unless we can get clear explanation why DNA is not mixed or conterminated with other DNA. This is what my first post addressed. I am not gonna get into sahaba did it did not do it.

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Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 11:43am On May 03, 2019

MissRaine69:
Which medical school did you go to? If you did It
Needs to be burned to the ground.

haba...nitori kini?. Even medical schools have different opinions and different approaches to a medical procedure. They carry out their differences without burning down one another building to the ground grin

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Islam › Re: Surrogacy: Permissible Or Not? by Empiree: 11:39am On May 03, 2019

Debaiz:
Your unique DNA is what makes your lineage once it is contaminated by a third party DNA then it is no more pure.

this was actually my point. I don't believe surrogacy has to do with Zina as this has to do with physical evidence which is not the case. But lineage is very questionable.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 11:19am On May 03, 2019

shadeyinka:
I have just started reading your link. I hope we can talk about it latter (no arguments at all). I have some little experience with Jinns an Angels too. And Ruqya!

Good.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 5:39am On May 03, 2019

shadeyinka:
I would neither insult Prophet Mohammed or Allah in any of my posts. This doesn't mean I believe in them though. But far be it for me to insult them.

If the Son set you free, you shall be free indeed!
In My Father's House, there are many mansions...
Love your Enemies and Pray for those who spitefully use you..

You don't know the commands of Jesus!
Whatever you know is a hearsay 600 years from the giver of the commands.

Like in Paradise, there isn't marriage nor giving in marriage.

https://www.nairaland.com/3633308/seeing-angels-malaika/2

There, ^^^ you will learn a lot you never thought about and get yourself some "Islamic energies"

It is boring talking to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 3:46am On May 03, 2019

shadeyinka:
Good Morning my Brother.
Surprised you are awake.

Yes. The post wasn't for me BUT you referenced me as OP while speaking that which isn't true. That requires a response doesn't it?

Nice pictures and architectures though!

AND JESUS SAID: IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS!
John 14:15

your brother?. You must be sick.

After insulting Allah and my Prophet and you called me brother?. Seriously?. SMH

And, commandment of Jesus first is obedient to Allah by worshipping him alone. Not calling human being God or son of God. That's crazy. Who believes that except zalimun.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 3:23am On May 03, 2019

shadeyinka:
Why misrepresent the truth!?

You have asked me the about the bolded and I think I have answered you. You insinuated that my argument is that the Bible provides evidence to the Crucifixion of Jesus and I told you that it was too obvious a route for me to follow. I even told you exactly my thrust and yet you still come to misrepresent the truth by cleverly avoiding my Monika and using the OP instead.

The question was:
Did Allah take up Jesus to the heavens in the Presence of some Disciples or in Secret?
And my argument is:
If it was in secret, then Allah fooled Mary, the Apostles and the disciples in conjunction with the Jews.
If it was in the presence of some of the Disciples, why would they then manufacturer a shameful and excruciating death for their Master?

You know that you have once accused me of using Christian Prince Arguments and I told you I hardly even knew him. You have probably not seen anyone use this line of argument and hence, you have no ready internet answer. Even though, there were Evidences in the bible, I chose not to go through the line of argument. Don't misrepresent me again.

Please see attachment as proof: don't impose your imagination on others. I know what the OP is gonna say now became the OP said....

Cc: nutarious:

my post was not meant for you. I no longer need your responses. You have just repeated same dumb question and you insinuated answers for yourself. You have preconceived notion. Why should I eat my precious time with you?.

Meanwhile,

This is mosque of Jesus in Dubai (1st pic)

This is mosque of Jesus in Pennsylvania, US (2nd pix)

This is mosque of Jesus in Queens New York (3rd pix)

So keep wailing lipsrsealed

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 10:07pm On May 02, 2019*

nutarious:
Mostly, Everybody would want to fight for their Faith. But, seriously, when your Faith can't be Verified by Witnesses then we can conclude on the Truthfulness of such faith.

biblical witnesses contradicted themselves. Which one should we believe?.

The Question is really hard to answer for any Muslim, either answers will produce a problem that will affect Allah's Stand. I think instead of long debate here, muslim guys here should take a deep study more.

it is a shame an intelligent girl like you joined the wagon without reading the entire threat before arriving at your conclusion. If you read carefully you realized his question was answered. This your level of education baffles me undecided

This is the major script that tries to nolify the Christian Faith and his source and statement is no proof enough.

how relevant is crucifixion?.

Over 6 Arabic language, different quotes, some even missing, no original manuscript. While it's easy to attack the Bible, the major problem I saw in the Quran has no remedy.

where is your evidence for this?

Lastly, if God waited 600 years to correct a mistake what kind of God is that, now you bring an Arab to solve a Jewish problem.

you really don't believe in God after all, do you?. If you do, this statement wouldn't come out of your mouth.

One book has to be lieing and the other telling the truth.

exactly. Now, they are telling us that there were eyewitnesses regarding crucifixion. Qur'an tells us Jesus was raised up to God. How he was raised is irrelevant to us. Quran goes further to say all the so called eyewitnesses know nothing about crucifixion/ascension but they only follow doubts and conjectures. But since op insisted there were eyewitnesses, and we looked into their Bible regarding accounts of eyewitnesses, it is obvious their stories contradicted one another which proves Quran right (that they follow nothing but conjectures). So his question is really none of our business to answer. Onus lies on CHRISTIANs to tell us which of the accounts of the gospel is correct?. Mark contradicted John. John contradicted Luke. Luke contradicted Mark. Which story should we accept as truth?.

Now I have helped you to think since you failed woefully to read my posts. I even posted illustrated pictures to get op to think.

How can Muhammad a non Jew correct an history he met and be correct, and the only witness is God.

I think this are logical questions to answer.

since you appeared to be a Christian, this issue at hand is about Jews killed your god according to Bible. This is a known fact which you people tried to twist today. Leave Muhammad (saw) out of this. Since your Bible could not get itself together, muslims have every right to admit biblical account is false. So this nonesense about Quran came 600yrs later is in itself irrelevant.

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Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 1:24pm On May 02, 2019

^^

Just like a woman was sentenced to 35yrs behind bars years ago for growing vegetables in her own backward. On her own land she paid tax for in one of the states in the US. Whether the case was later dropped or not, fact remains the judgement was ridiculous.

What's govt excuse? They said her growing groceries in her yard means she hinders growth of the economy. That's, she's not contributing towards development. Yet in Africa you have freedom to get plant in your own home. So abeg, get away with your bias mentality.

The world is not homogeneous. If a Muslim country deems homosexual crime punishable by lengthy jail term or death penalty, it is none of your business to question it.

Yes, to certain degree it may attract death sentence because this homo of a thing brings new disease and they spread it killing others.

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6765390/

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 12:23pm On May 02, 2019

aadoiza:
You see your life . You're still bragging over trivialities. You aren't looking for the truth but what you wanna here

I knew. This is why I was reluctant in the beginning. Now that he has answer he's never satisfied. He lied that he wanted to convert to Islam at 200L but refused to because of his silly question and stupid behavior.

Evangelical CHRISTIANs lie a lot

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Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 11:21am On May 02, 2019*

true2god post=7803 3972:
I have seen this pattern over and over again; anytime there is Muslim terror attack, blame the Jews and enemies of Islam and not the Muslims who carry out the attack. The Muslims are, by default, innocent (no matter the type of crime they commit) and must never take responsibility and must be the fault of the kafir. This is a siege mentality.

Peace TV has already been banned in India after the India terror attack last 2 years and Zakir Naik was wanted for India for questioning after the Indian terror attack. Why was his 'crime'? The Indian Muslim terrorist said he was inspired by the sermons of Zakir Naik to carry out the attack. The Sri lankan government did the right thing by banning any person or activity that can be a catalyst for another terror.

It is clear that Muslims don't take responsibility for the action of their people against the kafir; it must be the fault of the Jews or the Americans.

we live in a very dangerous world with Christians right now. From the way this one here speaks, we are really in trouble. I just have no comment

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 11:19am On May 02, 2019

true2god:
So because they are 'worshipping 3 god' they deserve to die in the hands of Muslim terrorist? Every man have right to his belief. A psychologist once said: 'if you like worship stone I don't have problem with that as long as you don't throw it at me'. You posted the video to tell us than an Imam condemned the terror attack against Christians in Sri lanka but at the same time attacking/mocking the beliefs of the victims. If you don't see the stupidity in his sermon then you have to watch it over and over again. I don't have any issue with any sheik or Imam preaching against shirk, however you have to be a bit sensitive when giving your sermon especially after an unfortunate event had occurred so that you don't sound hypocritical in your so-called 'peace sermon'.

Saudi Arabia will not blow up any church or synagogue because there is none in Saudi Arabia, but they are the highest sponsor of Islamic terror worldwide. The export their aggressive wahabi Islam worldwide which is fraught with violence, murder and bloodshed against the non-Muslims. They spend billions of dollars on madrasses in Pakistan who in turn produce killer machines in the name of Islam. Iran on their part are more civilized muslims and somehow peace loving but are still heavily involved the in persecution of religious minorities in their country.

This is Islamic propaganda

This is Islamic propaganda

I asked you a simple question which you have failed to answer. If after the New Zealand attack, a pastor go to his pulpit to condemn the attack but at the same time tell his congregation that Jesus is the only son of God and that Mohammed is a false prophet, how will Muslims react?

The liberals and the leftists are the ones promoting vices around the western world. The Christian in the US and Europe as still being regarded as 'conservatives and evangelicals' because of their view which are often against the so-called liberal progressive views. Over 80% of leftist and atheist identified as atheist and they are sympathetic to anything that goes against the Judaeo-christian values such as pornography, LGBT, feminism and their so-called 'human and animal right'. The leftist and the atheist are also the greatest supporters of Islam in the US and Europe. See links below:
https://askdrbrown.org/library/liberals-misguided-love-affair-islam
https://unherd.com/2018/04/many-left-wing-progressives-protest-pope-silent-islams-totalitarian-tendencies-victims-cowardice-overwhelmingly-women/
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-liberals-called-leftists-when-liberals-love-Islam-while-communists-hate-all-religions
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10091/muslims-liberals-leftists

The same leftist who hate Christianity, promotes vices around the world, are 100% sympathetic to Islam. The question begs, what is the plans of the US atheist and liberals? Why are they siding with Islam and are against Christianity? And FYA, the US academic, politics, sports and entertainment are controlling controlled by the liberals and the atheist and not the CHURCH.

I don't buy that. You guys should take responsibility for your actions and stop the blame games. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the battle of karbala which resulted into the split of Islam into the Sunni and the shia. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for the apostate war immediately after the death of Mohammed. The Judaeo-christian world was not the responsible for killing the grandson of the prophet who dies in the hands of the Sunnis Muslims. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible for the current persecution of Christians in the middle east. The Judaeo-christian world is not the responsible with the current diplomatic stand-off between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even in some occasions whereby the CIA trained Muslim militia to fight fellow Muslims, why are Muslims so naive to fall for that trap? Why cant muslims put their house in order for more than 1400 years?

Islam › Re: 25 Sharia Laws Breaching Human Rights by Empiree: 12:04am On May 02, 2019

lanrexlan:
See how he was busy twisting what's clear as broad daylight.

It is sad that some Christians on NL are "happy" when catastrophic suicide bombings take place. Why? They would have the opportunity to bash Islam! Outwardly they might seem to be sorrowful but deeply, they are happy cos they have seen an avenue to bash Islam. Even if you tell these folks these bombers are misguided and they are misrepresenting Islam, they would argue that you are wrong and you don't know Islam. Wallah it is sickening. People have given priority to silly avenues to bash others over the sanctity of lives.

To them, the bombers are the real muslims while others who condemn them are fake. I don't know how people can be supporting suicide bombing indirectly with such mentality. If all muslims are to be how these bombers portray, then every soul on earth should be dead!

Can we just condemn terrorism as a whole and just playing blame games?! We are humans first faah (NB: There are some rightly-thinking Christians though but rare on NL)

O ti su mi ooo. They don't love Christian victims. They only use their plight to condemn Islam. I tire for them oooo.

This guy's responses baffled me. I didn't expect that from him. I thought he would watch and say "thanks sheikh for the beautiful sermons" but his comments got me sad.

Same thing last night on radio. A pro-zionist station pretending to love every human being. He loves saying "the Islamic terrorists" and say it as loud as possible. Not just loud but applies "Shaddah" (emphasis) on "Islamic terrorists" yet sent his condolences to NZ victims but he never mentioned or attributed killer as "CHRISTIAN terrorist".

I had to turn down the volume bcuz his voice irritated me. They continued to create hatred where is none.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 8:55pm On May 01, 2019

shadeyinka:
Would you quote properly what I stated?

Did I quote Qur'an 3:54 anywhere in my posts?

I just stated "Allah is the best deciever"...it's a wonder that it's in the Qur'an! So confirmed, Allah is indeed the best deciever: he decieved both Mary and the Apostles for over 600 years.

munafiq

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:54pm On May 01, 2019

Razram:
Hope I'm Safe with them? Besides can u explain further on that?

you safe. Do dhikr mentioned by movado19

Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:44pm On May 01, 2019

Razram:
Sam's thing, I do it at a very low voice so that it won't disturb my neighbors yet they still testify that I'm not the only one talking then, Pls can anyone explain what is actually going on and why many voices when I was d only one doing it?

you had company (unseen forces) brother

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Muslims Dodge Explaining Why Jesus Wasn't Crucified Nor Killed by Empiree: 8:41pm On May 01, 2019

shadeyinka:
Since I don't speak nor read Arabic,

Thank God. I expected this reply and you didn't fail me. I set trap for you.

Since you confessed you don't speak or read Arabic, how did you come to conclusion that

وَمَكَرُوا۟ sura 3:54 means "deceiver"?

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