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shadeyinka:
Allah outsmarted and decieved the Jews and the Romans. Unfortunately, Allah decieved Mary and the apostles with all the disciples of Jesus. Allah is indeed the best deciever.

movado19:
Subhanallah!

My Uncles own now is the opposite!

One of his neighbours is now giving him hell because he says terrible heat engulfs him and the whole compound when my Uncle engages in zikr, SubhanAllah.

My Uncle does not do zikr in a loud voice or shout, but this man seems to know exactly when he is engaged in zikr!

He is the only one in the compound who has this complaint as everyone said they don't feel any heat and they sleep very well.
I asked my Uncle about the man's character and he described him as a shaitan in human form.
Allahu Akbar!

malvisguy212:
am good bro.and you ?

yeah, formal Muslim and now a Christian, very strong one indeed.

Razram:
Honestly u are right, different sounds on our door till our Christian landlady then started using some oils in d middle of the night and I stopped so that I won't cause confusion

Excel70:
Salam alaykum warahmatullahi wa barakatu to all the sheikhs in the house. I will like to narrate a story told by my sheikh which shows how Almighty Allah shower his blessings on us as muslims
This story albeit funny was narrated by my sheikh during one of is tafsir of the Holy Quran
He was talking about the story of Prophet Musa and firawn in surat Yunus when he reached Quran 10 vs 81and was narrating his experience with this ayah
It was back in the 70s and late 80s when he was still a child the town he grew up was notorious for wichcraft and evil even till today(although the town is now well developed now). People were having strange illness from stepping on charms such as abnormal swollen leg. This stuff also affected his mates in ilekewu. Their sheikh then taught them this ayah Quran10vs81to use it to destroy any evill charm they encounter
Being kids they were naughty and inquisitive. There was a hotel then where a popular magician always come to perform withlargecrowd watching. Him and his fellow mates decided to test the ayah there. On the fateful day the magician was trying to perform a magic of cutting a person into two using a saw. As you all know that magic is illusion they recited this ayah alas the saw ended up cutting the person with blood gushing out he was badly injured. There was chaos everywhere, they started checking the pockets of everybody to apprehend anybody with any powerful charm that destroy the magic. They did not find anything. Being children they never expected what they saw they were apprehensive and took to there heels. An elderly man who was suspicious with the way they ran called them and recognise them as student of there sheikh(the man happened to be a famous and powerful sheikh then) .The man knew they were responsible for what happened but he did not have any evidence against them. I can't recollect what he said happened after then.

aadoiza:
I think you have comprehension problem or malaise of cynicism. Empiree has answered the irrelevant question over and over. Even Rashduct4luv or someone else did, which was even direct, but you prefer to play dumb. O ya continue

sagenaija:
But your Koran says that "Allah is the best of deceivers" Chapter 3:54

movado19:
@ Razram:

EDIT: I forgot to mention the other thing my Uncle said which was:

The zikrs you were engaged in were basically Jalali in nature, meaning they are "hot" and show Allah's tremendousity.
- Ya Allah
- Ya zhal Jalal wal Ikram

He said you will need to temper them down with Jamali zikrs, meaning "cool" and show Alla's beauty or soft nature, such as
- Ya Ghaffar
- Ya Ghaffur
- Astagfirullah
- Salawat Rasul (Allahumma Sali)

He said you can just choose astagfirullah and salawat Rasul and do them in abundace to cool off the effect of Ya Allah and Ya zhal jalal wal ikram.

true2god:
I am pointing out the errors in that 'sermon' and you are here blaming me. If a terrorist attacks a mosque and kill 100 people and a pastor, in his church, condemned the attack but at the same time told his congregation that Mohammed is a false prophet and a great sin to believe he is a prophet, what will you say? When you are condemning such a horrendous crime you have no reason to attack/mock the faith of the victims which is what the sheik did. It is better for one to keep quiet when a bad incident occur than to open his mouth to make a provocative statement.

On the alleged letter Mohammed wrote to ensure the security of Christians which the imam spoke about in the 14th minute into the video, why are Saudi and Iranian authorities not adhering to the instruction to the so-called 'prophet's letter'? Why are they still arresting Christians and apostates in Saudi Arabia and Iran?

There are over 10 major religions on earth, why are virtually all the other religions living peacefully with other except Islam? Why are we always having conflict between Islam and other religions? You guys should do a soul searching and stop playing 'they hate us' game.

true2god:
I have watched the video and its a complete mixture of truth, lies and Islamic propaganda.

At 1:35mins, the sheik asked the Muslims to fight against oppression and evil. This is OK, if he stops there but he listed 7 main sources of evil and oppression. The list are:

1) Associating partner with Allah.

2) Magic and sorcery.

3) Killing of innocent people.

4) Time will draw close.

5) Knowledge will decrease

6) Fitna will increase

7) Murder and genocide will appear.

The fist point he made obviously talked about the Christians. The Christian call Jesus 'the son of God' and this is ranked as the greatest evil in Islam; associating partner with Allah. This Christian belief has been in force over 500yrs before Muhammed was born and over 2000 yrs by now. So when a sheikh, in a mosque, keep parroting the same old Islamic narrative against a core christian belief, is he trying to make peace or create more disunity among people of different faith? I will leave you to be the judge. Remember, he was meant to sound conciliatory immediately after Sri Lanka attack by some Muslim terrorist but he is busy castigating the beliefs of the victims. Imagine a pastor, after the new Zealand attack, holding a church service condemning the attack but at the same time saying that Mohammed is a fake prophet, how do you see that?

At 7:45mins, he talked about similarly attacks where Muslims and Jews were victims of terror attacks in their mosques and synagogue. I have no issue with this because all forms of violence must be condemned. The only area I seem to disagree is the fact that most Islamic attacks are religiously motivated against the kafir. Remember, the sheik said the greatest 'evil and oppression' is 'associating partner with Allah'. This is a coded message to some Islamic terror group who cannot stand the 'insult' of 'associating partner with Allah'.

In the 14th minute, the full propaganda was in display using the alleged letter the prophet write to the Muslim leaders in Najaran. The purported letter was written by Mohammed, but cannot be found in any authentic hadith, to ensure the security of Christians. Some of the content the letter is allowing Christian and Jews to worship even in a mosque, if no church or synagogue is available. Allowing Christians a place of worship without any form of intimidation and harassment, etc. Of course we all know that no single Muslim country implements this policy because it was concocted by faceless Muslims to con the west.

The truth still remain that Saudi Arabia and Iran, leaders of both sunni and shia Islam, are doing the exact opposite of what the alleged letter said. Are you saying that these two countries have not read the letter?

So, CAN and many other Christians who are bigots (not all) keep spreading the propaganda that Boko Haram persecutes Christians. They say that it is a way by the "Jihadists" against the Christian Faith.

Remember that Boko Haram, in their "Jihad" against Christians, had killed,

Pastor, Evangelist, Daddy G.O Sheikh Jaafar Adam

Elder, Deceaon, Sheikh Albani Zaria,

Priest, Rev. Father, General Mohammed Shuwa,

Apostle Emir of Gwoza

They (Boko Haram) had wrecked much havoc amongst the "Christian Faith" and her elders but we have no record of "Muslim" leaders being killed. If not, why are these "Muslim" leaders alive and buying jets...

Sheikh El-Apostle Sulaiman

Fadilat-Sheikh Oyedepo (Al-Omu-Araniyyi wá Al-jetty)

Ustaadh Enoch Adeboye (Al-Redeemee)

Chief Imam Kumuyi

#Sarcasm

If in 2019, someone still thinks Boko Haram is a war against Christians, we can begin to understand why it is difficult to tackle terrorism as a nation and the world, at large.

When we begin to cloth terrorists, give them a religion, tribe, race, colour, language, not only will they garner a bit of sympathy from those we attach them with (because they will have a sense of belonging), we would make recruitments into these terrorist organizations easier as potential members would think it is a service to their tribe, colour, religion which is in the real sense, a disservice to humanity.

Muslims were killed in New Zealand, Jews in Pittsburgh, Christians in Sri Lanka. The evil guys are killing, we enjoy blaming the Muslims but the reality is that, we keep blaming the Muslims while we all keep dying.

"We want to live by each other’s happiness - not by each other’s misery. We don’t want to hate and despise one another... Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in....Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost..."

(Charlie Chaplin's speech from The Great Dictator)

Terrorism has no religion, race, colour, tribe, garment...

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

PrecisionFx:
Pls stop comparing PDP with APC

BlackPeni5:
APC achievement for Q1 2019. Congrats Buhari

IMAliyu:
I agree.
They will deny it because contemporary christians don't accept that gospel, they believe it was fabricated by Muslims.
They don't seem to understand that the crusification is not a central or even a significant part of Islam (course it didn't happen). As to how Allah saved Jesus(AS). They are quick to say God works in mysterious ways but can't accept that God would save his massager in a (mysterious) way we don't know or understand.

IMAliyu:
Ok.
Now I'm skeptical about this version of the story, but some Muslim clerics site it as supporting the Quran verses so here it is.

What I was trying to point out earlier is that muslims site a different source from christians as their reference that the two don't agreed upon and a nairaland discussion isn't going to resolve a 600+ year old debate.

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muzeze77:
CAN There's a difference between a country and a terrorist organization,Leah is held by a terrorist group

shadeyinka:
You don't know me at all. I am not going that far to say that Jesus was taken up to heaven in the presence of the disciples. No!
That's too obvious.

If Allah took Jesus up without the knowledge of the Disciples, then Allah must indeed be the greatest deciever. This could mean that the followers of Prophet Mohammed too have been decieved

If Allah took up Jesus with the knowledge of some apostles, then it makes no sense for the apostles to fabricate a lie which says their Lord and Master was Crucified stark naked as a violent criminal.

But since Allah's book cannot be questioned, how sure are you that you haven't been deciever like the disciples of Jesus! If the disciples of Jesus could be deciever by Allah, your own fate will be worse!

sagenaija:
See Koran 36:14. You may choose to read from verse 13 - 19 and check the interpretation.

sagenaija:
Even when your own books said that Peter, John and Paul were messengers of Allah?

shadeyinka:
I didn't shift questions: you brought in a new concept and that requires clarification. You claim that .." they followed a connecture"
I needed to find out who the " they" were.

Finally on this: It is difficult for Muslims to answer the question of "How Jesus was taken to heaven: whether in the presence of the disciples or not".

sagenaija:
Is this what your Koran says or is it just your CONJECTURE?

SOFTENGR:
What happened to recovering stolen fund and sentencing the looters to appropriate jail term, regardless of political affiliation?
Why killing?

sagenaija:
Aadoiza, Empiree:
Imagine this:
A magician turns a white bird into red.
You say you see a red bird.
The magician says: No. I only made it appear red to you; it is actually white.
And then he turns round to claim that you are a fool for believing that what you saw as red you said it was red.

That is the logic of Allah in this portion of the Koran.

If Allah deceived people into believing that it was not Jesus that was crucified we can deduce 2 things from here:
1. Someone was crucified in the place of Jesus. In other words, there was a SUBSTITUTIONARY death for Jesus, according to the koran. An innocent person since it was Jesus they wanted to kill? Yes or No? Yes!
2.The people who were deceived SAW what Allah made them SEE. So, they are saying exactly what they saw. They were witnessing to what they saw. Yes or No? Yes!

So, if Allah made Jews and Christians walk in his DECEPTION for hundreds of years until Mohamed came and still made them victims of his own deception what kind of god are we talking about here?
Does this make any moral sense?
Here you are trying to defend the indefensible.

shadeyinka:
Please check the bolded again!

Was the bolded refering to
1. The taking of Christ to Allah in heaven OR
2. The Crucifixion of Jesus

It cannot logically be the two at the same time. For a person cannot be at the taking to heaven of Jesus AND still be in his crucifixion.

If Jesus was taken to heaven before the Crucifixion, it must be in the presence of the disciples (but they didn't know)
If Jesus was taken to heaven at his crucifixion then it must be in the presence of the Jews, Romans and maybe a few disciples

Please clarify