I am reading posts from last yr from quizes........can't stop laughing at some comments. It was fun. This thread is gold. A brother sent me whatsapp msg saying he was glued to this thread all through the night as if he never read it before.
Also a christian brother who recently embraced islam on here was stuck on this thread. He had to send me msg asking if this is real?. I said, you aint read anything yet. Nkan nbe labe sanmo faah, i exclaimed.
Thank you for this, but if you've truly see the whole things has been SUBJECTIVE, you wouldn't be "adamant" with your own view. I provided a premise with which I viewed it but you forthrightly rejected it. I am not saying your view is wrong but others are not seeing it the way you perceived it. This is exactly what happened to me last year. Any form of subjectivity would always produce divergent of views.
Take for instance, written number 6 on your palm, from your perspective (view) is letter 6 but unfortunately if you show same to me, and me standing in front of you I will see 9 not 6. This how worldviews differs but to some extent both of us might not be wrong either, if we can prove ourselves base on our position, why and how we arrive at our different views.
I wouldn't go further into proving anything! because you might still misconstrue what am trying to bring out. Consider this example I gave above taking your Qur'an answer as example, analysing it to show you my OWN VIEW about it, while giving the reason why I choose that position, but you think now am bringing that for sake of mark, ignoring the context I cite that example. So pls bro, I am not saying that is correct because I believe you have you own reason(s) while you say Qur'an in the first place. And the onus is you to share that so that with us, so we can learn from the angle you view it.
Again, when the issue of question 2i cropped up. It was alhajiemeritus that first notice that there is problem with that question. Also, when I got to it after several research I realized that the question is worded "wrongly". Though not so sure, I asked several hufaz what they know about such kind of Sarah but to my amazement, it strange to them nothing of sort existed - a Surah with a 55 repeated verses. When @empiree realized this, he decided to expunge it but ONLY you raised objection that he should be left alone. But in my mind, I say how can one prove that when the question itself contain "error". I said to myself, wait you will learn new things when the answer is out.
Now, for me that is MOST Objective and straight forward question among all those questions, yet you see it totally differently which am hoping to learn from you from answer you gave. So pls nobody is trying to justify anything HERE but only simply putting forth our understanding of it. WE LEARN EVERYDAY, pls let take emotions out of our discussions. This is NOT about RIGHT and WRONG but sharing our perspective for other to see, contribute and learn.
Alhajiemeritus: The Mysterious Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala(R.T.A) Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala Shamsu-deen-islam was an extra-ordinary and supernatural saint in the sight of Allah and Humanity.He was the luminary of his time in the spiritual sciences of God and in the disciples of the Divine Law.He was renowned in the sciences of Sufism,Shariah and Haqeeqah. He was a colossus that came to be known as the Magnate(Ghaosu) of his time after the passing away of Sheikh Ibrahim bn Abdullah Niyas of Senegal.He was the one that succeeded the throne of Al Ghawth-al-azam as related in one of his poems: “Out Of Divine love,I Ascended the throne of Ghaosiyyah(the great succour on earth),the position earlier occupied by my predecessor Ibrahim and thus becoming the general overseer and leader of all the saints of the world”. The magnate of this time,Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala(R.T.A) was born to the family of sayyid Abdul-Hakeem Akanmu Iji of Lagbedu Royal family,Ogbomoso in the former old Oyo empire in Oyo State of Nigeria.His mother’s name is sayyidat Humuani Oyebimpe Abebi Okin who was a princess from the King of Adegboye Atoloyetele Royal family Offa,Kwara State of Nigeria in 1919. Many stories were connected to his birth,among such stories was that,he was seen laughing seriously on the very day he was born,which is a strange occurence among new born babies.In addition to this,it was also said that two navels were seen on his stomach when he was born,but as people shouted,surprisingly,one of the navels disappeared immediately but reappeared at a later time.Those where some of the signs seen on sheikh Muh’d Jamiu Bulala which portrayed him as an exceptional,extra-ordinary and supernatural servant of God right from his cradle….. When sheikh bulala was later asked about the signs seen on the day he was delivered to the world,He said,I laughed on the very day I was born welcoming myself to the people of Offa and the whole universe for the great blessing God showered on them through my arrival to their midst. Secondly,the two navels was a result of a sign that emanated during one of the wars fought against the idolators of Meccah in the lifetime of Rasulullahi Muhammad s.a.w..He said,I was a reincarnation of one of the past waliyi(saint)on earth because souls of saints do not die but transmigrate into another pious body to be reborn for the continuation of the assignment Allah has ascribed on them. Qur’an 56 vese 60-61,buttresses this insinuation,”WE HAVE DECREED DEATH TO YOU ALL,AND WE ARE NOT OUTSTRIPPED,TO TRANSFIGURE YOU AND CREATE YOU INTO ANOTHER FORMS THAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW”(Q56,V60-61). The above assertions are not peculiar to Sheikh Bulala alone,we have heard a similar story of prophet Isa<jesus>who spoke to people in his cradle which attest to his status as a prophet of God.This is contained in the Holy Qur’an that says: “I AM INDEED A SERVANT OF GOD,HE HAS GIVEN ME REVELATION AND MADE ME A PROPHET,AND HE HAS MADE ME BLESSED WHERESOEVER I MAY BE,AND HATH ENJOINED ON ME PRAYER AND CHARITY AS LONG AS I LIVE”.(Qur’an 19,Vs 30-33). Sheikh Bulala lived in Ogbomoso briefly before his parents permitted him to live with his mother’s relation sayyidi Muhammad-l-Awwal Adegoke of Ojude’s compound in Offa. The giant Sheikh,Muh’d Jamiu Bulala started his Qur’anic knowledge under the tutelage of Sheikh Ismaila Jeje of Arogun’s compound in Offa at a tender age;he strived for knowledge as said by Rasululahi (S.A.W) that,search for knowledge from the craddle to the tomb,even as far as China. After the completion of the Holy Qur’an from Sheikh Ismaila Jeje in Offa,Sheikh Bulala set forth to the City of Ilorin in Kwara State in Nigeria to seek the Divine knowledge and guidance.Among his Sheikhs were Sheikh Abdul Rahman Alabidun,Sheikh Akanlabi,Sheikh Oke Aluko,but prominent among them was Sheikh Muhammad Bashir Adangba,under these great Sheikhs,he learned the sciences of exegesis of Qur’an,the science of the traditions of Rasululahi,theology,jurisprudence,grammar,rhetorics,logics,semantics,Qur’anic recitation and philology.He encountered a more spiritually oriented instructor in the saintly person of Sheikh Bashir Adangba. Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala lived an ascetic life and spent a collection of thirty-eight(38)years in khalwa searching for the knowledge of the Divine Being.After coming out from this prayer retreat,Sheikh usually chant on Lahilaha ilallahu and utter some incomprehensible statements such as claiming that,he was Sheikh Abdul Qadir,he was Ali bn Abi Talib the fourth orthodox caliph of Islam and that,he was with prophet Musa,(peace be upon him) who crossed the red sea,when they were been pursued by Pharaoh. It was also reported that,he used to tell people that he knew his arrival date in Offa,he knew how long he would stay,he knew where he emanated from and where he would be going after leaving Offa and he knew his demise date.This is the concept of reincarnation of the pious servants of God according to the Sufists. Sheikh Jamiu’s bulalalistic trait The word bulala is a Yoruba word meaning’horsewhip’ Sheikh Bulala is fond of holding horsewhip at all time and some other frightful things like stick and sword.He used to hold them in order to scare people off his way,so as not to disturb his spiritual journey or dent his spiritual desire.All sane religions abhor nudity,Sheikh said,I use to whip the erring girls whom half of their body is exposed.No girls with good home training shall appear outside with half of her body naked.In view of this unlawful act,Sheikh Bulala uses his horsewhip to correct this obscenity act,Sheikh said,leave those girls with lack of home training,i’m outside to train them. Secondly,human beings are fond of luxuries and worldly things,money seems to be their God.If by accident Allah accepted one’s prayer through me,others shall be coming in troop in order to have their own share of my Divine spiritual power.Sheikh Bulala said human being lack sense of belonging and philosophical thought.He asked some of His disciples that ‘since you have been coming to me,have I ever scared anyone of you who came for Wirdu with horsewhip?,they replied no.Have I ever beaten or cut anyone of you with my sword?They said no’. With Sheikh’s clairvoyancy and with the power Allah gave him to know what is hidden or to know the thought of human being in advance ever before they utter a statement.Sheikh said,it is those who want my prayer for money and whom i know shall mess up and been carried away by the money Allah gave them;they are the people I scare with my horsewhip.Sheikh said,”is it not because of this act that I was nicknamed ‘Bulala'(horsewhip)?,my full name is Muhammad Jamih,Shamsudeen(R.T.A).But being that I personally love funny things,Bulala is funny and unique,so all of you shouldn’t worry yourselves about my nickname Bulala.Let the people call me Sheikh Bulala”.So he said to Baba Arole(His 1st khalifa) and some other disciples. Marital Life Of Sheikh Muh’d Jamiu Bulala Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala(R.T.A)was happily married with three wives and blessed with nine children. The wives are: Sayidat Muminat Muh’d Jamiu Bulala Sayidat Khadijat Muh’d Jamiu Bulala Sayidat Radiyat Muh’d Jamiu Bulala. The children are: Khalifat Sheikh Lukman-ul-Hakeem Muh’d Jami’u Bulala..Founder of(Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala Islamic Foundation Worldwide). Sheikh Zakariyau-Al-ansory Muhammad Jamiu Bulala(Naibul-Khalifat).He’s the deputy Khalifat that deputizes in the abscence of Khalifat Sheikh Lukman. Sheikh Abdul Lateef Shammy Muh’d Jamiu Bulala.He’s the founder of Al-Jamiu Centre For Arabic&Islamic Studies,situated at Offa in Nigeria. Sheikh Khidir Haqiqi Muhammad Jamiu Bulala.He’s a prominent and erudite son of Bulala who is a graduate of comparative Religion in University of Ilorin,Kwara state of Nigeria. Among females are: Sayidat Aisha Gharayi Muh’d Jamiu Bulala Sayidat Awa’u Kulu Manjid Muh’d Jamiu Bulala Sayidat Ganiyat Shakirah Muhammad Jamiu Bulala Sayidat Fatimah Zahrau Muhammad Jamiu Bulala. May the light,essence and reality of Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala continue to manifest in their lives till eternity..Ameen. The Miracles Of Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu It was reported that Khalifah Aleshinro from Ogun state,like other faithful of the sheikh,visited Sheikh One day.As usual of Sheikh,he decided to entertain his visitor.He then went inside and brought a loaf of bread.To his amazement,he discovered that rats had eaten almost half of the bread.This annoyed him and he commanded all the rats in his house to assemble before him so that he could detect which one of them had tampered with the bread.One of the rats came out and raised up its fore legs,signifying that it was the rat that ate the bread,then sheikh took a broom and warned the rat not to do that again,afterall he feeds them always.This action of Sheikh coupled with the communication between him and the rats ascertain which one of them had tampered with the bread however surprised the visitor greatly..(Related by Sheikh Muh’d Raji Afelele). This incident,though ridiculous,could be counted as part of Karamat.Qur’an tells us about the conversation between prophet Sulayman and the ants.When prophet Sulayman heard the voice of one of them,what he said was”O my lord! So order me that I may be grateful for the favors,which thou hast bestowed on me…” This shows that man’s ability to communicate with animals is a great favor from Allah. Not only this,Sheikh Muh’d Baare Sengina,one of the Tijaniyyah’s Sheikh from Kaduna reported that he had lived with Sheikh Muh’d Jamiu Bulala for six months in Khalwa(prayer seclusion) and throughout the time did not see him eating..Moreover,anytime he(Sheikh Baare)demanded for food,Sheikh Jamiu would just go in and bring out food which he(Sheikh Baare) had not seen anybody preparing it because nobody was with them in the Khalwa and no traces of food seen.He also related that the food was always wrap with a kind of cloth described as mysterious,the type which he had never come across in life. This story is not impossible for the Holy Qur’an narrates the story of Maryam to us whereby her needs were supplied to her without struggling for it.Qur’an says! Right graciously did Her Lord accept her:He made her grow in purity and beauty:to the care of Zakariya was she assigned.Everytime that he entered(Her)chamber to see her,he found her supplied with sustenance.He said”O Maryam whence(comes)this to you?” she said:”from God:for God provides sustenance with measure. Similarly,Sheikh Muhammad Raji Opeloyeru reported that he was in the entourage of Sheikh’s on a usual periodic visit to the railway station at Offa one day,but as soon as they got back home,they discovered that Sheikh’s key was missing.After some,he(sheikh Opeloyeru)decided to seek the help of a carpenter so that they would be able to get inside,after a while,Sheikg Jamiu now face the Sky and said,”You the leader of the Jinns!you had better order one of your disciples who took the key to my house now and return it or else,surprisingly the key just dropped from the roof of the house. It was also reported that Sheikh Muhammad Jami’u bulala performed a miracle at a marriage ceremony which completely baffled everybody present at the scene.Sheikh,on seeing the coffee tea without milk to be served on the occasion remarked that atimes some saints entertain their visitors with food from paradise.He was asked how possible it was.In his reply,he demonstrated the possibility by turning the tea to cold,sweet and thick milk.He then ordered the people to say’Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim’before drinking it.Those who drank the milk commented that the taste and flavor of the milk was quite different from the one they were used to.The milk was sweeter,cold and thicker.They had no doubt that the milk wasn’t an earthly one.Among those who witnessed the scene were Alhaji Sharafadeen Ajara,sheikh Muh,d Jamiu Bulala revealed to them that this is a food from Paradise.. Another living miracle by Sheikh Muhammad Jamiu Bulala(R.T.A) was the one he performed for a barren couple.It was reported that the couple had visited Sheikh on several occasions complaining about their childlessness.They implored Sheikh to pray for them so that they would bear children.During one of such visit to Sheikh,He frankly told them that God had destined them to be barren.This was too much for the couple to bear.They broke down into tears and tearfully beseeched Sheikh to intervene for them because it would be shameful and terrible for them if Sheikh could not help their predicament.’On hearing this,Sheikh was moved and promised to pray to God for them.Sheikh asked the couple to lead him and some of his disciples to their house.At the couple’s house,a strange occurence happened by which Sheikh wore his shoes into their bedroom and they didn’t complain.Surprisingly,Sheikh told the couple to stay outside whilst he prayed.Later,he called the husband in and told him that God has answered their prayer and would bless them with two issues.He now asked the husband to choose the sex he would want Allah to give them.The husband decided on a male and a female.He told the husband to go out and call his wife.He poured water into his mouth and cleansed his mouth with it,poured it out and asked the wife to drink it.The wife earnestly drank the water.He then congratulated the wife for he thought she would hesitate or refuse to drink the water.The couple later in their lives got two children-a male,and a female.The children are successful in their own ways and living happily till date.The couple themselves confirmed this story,but for privacy reason,their names could not mentioned..Sheikh Sarafadeen Ajara is a living witness to this story. Again,Sheikh was to a great extent clairvoyance.It was reported that one day,early in the morning,Sheikh went to a barber’s shop at the motor garage in Offa.As he told the barber,he was going to wait for a saint friend of his coming to pay him a visit from Ilorin.Of course,there had not been any prior notice on the part of the visitor.Later in the day,the visitor came as Sheikh had predicted.Sheikh then ask the barber to tell the visitor his prediction and he did.On their way to Sheikh’s house,Sheikh asked the visitor what he would like to eat when they get home,the visitor replied that he would like to take ‘pap and bean cake’.On getting home,Sheikh asked his wife to recall what he had told her before he left home in the morning.The wife said he told her that he would have a visitor from Ilorin later in the day and the visitor would like to eat ‘pap and bean cake’ and so she should prepare them.The visitor could no longer hid his feelings,he praised and acknowledge Sheikh’s spiritual power… Besides,Sheikh Muhammad Jami’u Bulala(R.T.A) was telephatic.An admirer and follower of Sheikh,was wondering whether he too would be as erratic as Sheikh Muh’d Jamiu bulala upon attaining the status of Sainthood.And he was feeling uneasy about his thought.Sheikh told him he shouldn’t worry,he would not be eccentric like him when he becomes a saint.The man was surprised and puzzled at Sheikh’s saying because he uttered no word..(Related by Sheikh Sarafadeen Ajara).
#A fortuneteller is whoever tells, predicts, prophesys, speculates, etc on the outcome or details of an event/matter (whether personal or general), whether past, current or futuristic, no matter the channel he utilizes in arriving @ his conclusions.
#A muslim who conducts istikhara for people & tells them the outcome is also a fortune teller.
#A physician that conducts ultrascan for women & reveal to them the condition of whats in their womb is also a fortuneteller.
#All those speculators on broad street manhattan, NY are also fortunetellers (I hope you know their history & origin )
#Those we are forbidden from approaching are of two types.
1-: Those whos channels are legit but ungodly.
2-: Those who cast lots.
#The dangers of the first is that it can never be devoid of the manipulations of the devil, like in the HADITH that says the jinns do go to the upper sky to listen but mix the truth with a 100 lies, now those are who the NABI (saw) refered to as fortune tellers of that time.
As you can see, that channel (listening to the angels is a legit one) but by the time they relay it, it has become something else. Imagine visiting such @ that time & inquiring from him to tell you whether this new prophet is real or fake ?
#Again from this hadith, we can infer that the angels have some details of our destiny/future.
#The dangers of the second is that, it is a FAKE & RECKLESS approach which operates on PURE CHANCE. I‘m still coming to it.
ikupakuti: ....#Witchcraft like other spiritual prowess, may come by birth or be acquired through effort. (witchcraft is a feature among some jinns)
#Its like an app programmed into the OS (QAREEN). So, witchcraft is not really about a person but his QAREEN. Thats why the NABI (saw) said, if there is anything that can change destiny, then its Ain (witchcraft) i.e the unmutable destiny not the mutable one o. No go find their trouble if you dont have the strenght to fight o.
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#The key to unravel the mystery called destiny is another mystery called TIME. I.e what tomorrow holds would be unraveled when tomorrow comes
#The movements of the stars are the cusors of TIME. Studying the movement of the stars would unravel the mystery called TIME & hence destiny/future.
#Ever wonder why our destiny/future are not hidden to creature of higher sphares ?
#GOD said a day in the share of MALAKUT is in equivalency to 1000 earthly years. A day in JABARUT is in equivalency to 50000 earthly years.
#Now, imagine how much of our future a being operating in such realm could see in a minute
#When you connect the dots, you‘ll realise that destiny/future is not as obscure or hidden as many people think.
#Now, you‘ll realise why it was easy for phiraoun to pull out MUSA‘S info long before he was born by consulting the custodians of TIME : THE STARS!
ikupakuti: ...In all, both human, jinns, angels or any creature can only know as much as GOD permits. GOD said in the KURSIYYI that “they (creatures) cant encompass a thing from his (GOD‘S) knowledge save what he (GOD) wills“.
#The human QAREEN is like his OS, if it gets compromised, the whole life of that person would be compromised.
#The terrestial phase of a man‘s spirituality & hence destiny is wired to his QAREEN.
#When you hear ORI, ELEDA, IRAWO, KADARA, CHI etc, thats the QAREEN.
#When one is summon in a calabash it is the QAREEN (ones soft copy) that will appear & anything done to him will affect ones destiny depending on how weak or strong the QAREEN is.
#When the QAREEN is strong & resistant, they say “ori e lee“. When it is weak & ductile they say “ori e gba abode“ “ori buruku“
#Another person‘s QAREEN (irawo) that is brighter with good prospects, can be reprogrammed & wired into that of another that is weak & lacks prospect, in order to work for him. Thats what they call (gba irawo) .
#Ignorance is the prime adversary of man. The plots of the devil are weak in the face of knowledge.
#GOD must surely interfare & respond to prayer, but like the NABI (saw) said, the prayers of a mumin are answered in one of 3 ways....
dyydxx: Sorry bro that's not good enough. This is just pure nepotism, the bane of the problem in this country. Did you even check her CV? at least an old cargo would have had some kind of experience
what can someone do to please Nigerians?. I have read many times on this platform where people posted trail of work experience to get a job in Nigeria.
If Buhari picks northerner, it is nepotism.
If Buhari picks Muslim, he wants to islamise Nigeria.
If Buhari picks old man, we are tired of these old people. We want young fresh blood. Buhari is not a visionary
If Buhari picks from the East or South, you say he can't even fix up north.
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about using toothpaste whilst fasting. He said: there is nothing wrong with that so long as one is careful to avoid swallowing any of it, just as it is prescribed in Islam for the fasting person to use the siwaak (tooth-stick)
Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 4/247
Shaykh Muhammad al-Saalih ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:
… This leads us to the question: Is it permissible to use a toothbrush and toothpaste whilst fasting or not?
The answer is that it is permitted, but it is preferable not to use them because the toothpaste is too strong and may go down into the throat. Instead of doing that during the day, one should do it at night.
The most important is water and paste should not be exerggerated to the throat. But then, it is always better to avoid or simply brush lightly with water. I can understand if a fasting person works in the office or in a highly sophisticated environment may want to brush teeth due to daily interactions with others. It is always best to avoid especially with toothpaste.
Especially toothpaste like Neem or Miswak. They taste nice and easily swallowed. Thanks for the post.
emrain: Fasting is more about your health than righteousness. Whether you swallow toothpaste or not is quite insignificant. You guys need to understand the religion and focus on what matters.
As for you, even with clear verse which places emphasis on righteousness you still got it wrong?. Yes, it's rejuvenates health issues as well as other reasons. But it is best to have niyah around righteousness than anything else.
Righteousness is what Qur'an speaks of.
"O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -"
It doesn't say "that you may have good health". Everything falls under righteousness
ChristianNorth: Your mumu thick ooh. So because they are Christians they shouldn't scrutinize Islam? You want them to swallom hook-and-sinker all your exegesis and apologetics on Islam?
And stop misquoting me. I said when people question any Islamic tenets, instead of an Islamic apologist to address the question, he would find a way to answer the question by smuggling christianity into it.
For instance, I asked a moslem lady the essence of ablution before prayer.
She quoted a Scripture where Jesus washed the feet of His disciples.
One night I traveled to the North and was speaking with a friend who happens to be the personal medical aide to one of the northern Governors about the use of hijab and why its imposition against some people's will is undemocratic, instead of addressing the issue he called us fake christians that Mary wore hijab but we don't.
In a different occasion, some Islamic missionaries tried to convert me and they began by launching vicious attack on the person of Jesus and christian pastors.
The first two things a typical Christian Evangelist says when trying to preach about Christianity are that he brought good news to you and Jesus loves you.
Not something like "do you know that Allah was the name of ancient Arabian god" or anything to disparage Mohammed.
You guys should learn the same.
ChristianNorth: You are still doing the same thing. You will always find a way to initiate a di*ck measuring contest between Islam and Christianity.
A typical islamic apologist seeks validation for Islam through christian criticism or dic*k measuring contests. Most christians don't seek to validate their religion through debasing Islamic. Many of them criticizes Islam for trolling sake.
The validity of Christianity is deeply rooted in the Holy Scripture
have a good day Mr. Hypocrite. It is always your way, HYPOCRISY. no one said they can't scrutinize Islam. Islam had already been scrutinized since it's inception. Which means nonmuslims talk about Islam as well. I showed you pastor ridiculing and cursing Islam yet claiming to "love" muslims.
I gave you multiple screenshots to see how your fellow CHRISTIANs talk about Islam in disrespectful manners but you snubbed. All these are not "scrutinity" but insulting religion and defaming it. You can see that just by reading their headlines. That's not scrutinity you hypocrite. No one is saying to take everything hook, line, sinker.
If you asked a Muslim lady about aboution and she cited reference from the Bible, she did so in order for you to understand. How's a problem?. If she cited Islamic sources you would still disragard it anyways. How is using your Bible for reference a problem?. We do not want your definition of "peace", "Jesus be with you". All these are evangelical tactics. Visit my profile thread for reference.
These are verses of Quran that suggest we may debate comparative religion
And argue not with the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), unless it be in (a way) that is better (with good words and in good manner, inviting them to Islamic Monotheism with His Verses), except with such of them as do wrong, and say (to them): "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you; our Ilah (God) and your Ilah (God) is One (i.e. Allah), and to Him we have submitted (as Muslims)." (29:46)
“Say (to them, O Messenger): “O People of the Book, come to a word common between us and you, that we worship none but God, and associate none as partner with Him, and that none of us take others for Lords, apart from God.” (Al ‘Imrān 3:64)
Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e.Muhammad SAW) whom they find written with them in the Taurat (Torah) (Deut, xviii, 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John xiv, 16), - he commands them for Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At-Taiyibat [(i.e. all good and lawful) as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.], and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khaba'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allah's Covenant), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad SAW), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Quran) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful. Q7:157
So if Quran makes references to your book why can't we?
Your time is up. We are tired of brainwashing you committed in our brain since childhood. It is high time we exposed you CHRISTIANITY. We have had enough. Yes, there is ablution in your Bible which you have shamelessly abandoned for teachings of Paul. You have abandoned all the ridiculous rules in the old testament which make Christianity look violent for so called new testament. We will continue to expose your Bible because you guys have committed lots of damages to Muslims in Nigeria and across the globe in the name of "peace".
You brainwashed us to think that CHRISTIANITY is synonymous to "peace loving" but opposite is the case. In case you don't know, CHRISTIAN and Jewish countries funded Nigerian pastors for 20 yr or so to end Islam in Nigeria (by 2000) but they failed woefully. This is "peace loving or Jesus loves you" that you intended?.
We must expose your man-made religion which is wrecking havoc in the world today. People of your religion are the ones bombing places and stealing resources around the world. They hide behind New Testament but they are still perpetrating Old testament goals.
Who are you guys trying to fool?. We will continue to make references to your Bible in any practices that are in harmony with Islam like salat, zakat, hajj, ablution etc. This is called COMPARATIVE. There is nothing wrong with debating religions. For example, FASTING.
O you who believe! Observing As-Saum (the fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2). Sura Baqarah
Who are those before muslims?. Jews and CHRISTIANS. Which means you at one point fasted obligatorily which you have now shamelessly abandoned.
So we have every right to make references to your religious Book. If you don't understand this,
ChristianNorth: Just like a typical moslem, instead of preaching your religion, you resorted to demarketing another's.
Our religion is man-made. Leave am like that for us.
I said before and will say it again. You are a munafiq. You said CHRISTIANs don't talk about muslim religion yet they printed loads of anti Islam books. Look at the attachments. They are written by CHRISTIAN.
ChristianNorth: You are a hypocrit. You guys said Shias are not moslems.
everyone gets name. Mention names of those who said Shia are not muslim. You made general condemnation here. And why are you concerned about Shia?.
FYI, no christian missionary would try to convert you by attacking and casting aspersion on your religion. They would introduce Jesus to you straight away and preach his death, resurrection and message of hope.
liar. For decades, CHRISTIAN missionaries attacked Prophet Muhammad. I have narrated how they phycologically attacked and brainwashed us in schools by demeaning our Prophet. You lied so much as if you don't know. This is age of info. Stop being ignorant. A single Google search will give you load of information on Islamophobia industry
We don't discuss you people in our churches, Shias don't try to validate their beliefs by casting aspersion on christians. You guys do.
You are so ignorant coupled with arrogance. Watch one of your pastors preach in Church. Tell me he's not preaching against Islam and muslims?
Your trick will not work on us. You guys have old saying that goes like this "we love muslims but we hate their religion. We wanna introduce them to word of God". Those days are gone.
Good for you
Cheap lies
Like I said, I am not brainwashed. I subject every faith to scrutiny.
our faith has been scrutinized for centuries and it continues to stand test of time.
I follow your posts like kilode. You always find a way to smuggle Christianity into your response anytime someone questions any Islamic tenets.
if you are not comfortable with my posts you know what to do. I will continue to drag Christianity where it is necessary bcuz you have because of your man-made religion destroyed image of Jesus and lied about him. Therefore it is necessary for Muslims to expose you guys.
At least you just confirmed that hijab is not islamic mode of dressing but middle-east's which quran adopted.
it is not middle Eastern. The people before Quran was revealed followed religion of Abraham. But they still held on to some practices left in it despite deviating from the religion. Islam came to correct them and perfect religion they deviated from. Islam is extension of previous Revelations to Prophets before Muhammad. You guys are so arrogant coupled with lack of knowledge. I know what you people are trying to do.
Few years back you guys crucified a frog to spite Christians. El Rufai blasphemed Jesus and many moslems on the board do the same with reckless abandon.
what's my business with elrufai?. You have no right to say someone mocked your religion when you have already did. You claimed Jesus is your God. Yet your God was nailed on the cross and up till this mins you guys carry cross depicting Jesus. Who's mocking who?. You need serious educational courses.
true2god: And for your information, there is no way of discussing Islam without mentioning CHRISTIANITY, Judaism, Jesus, Moses etc. This shows that you don't understand anything..
Na una way na! The prophet of Islam started attacking other religions as a basis for establishing Islam. Attack christians, attack Jews, attack Zoroastians, attack mecca polytheist, etc. We already know this format.
you are another hypocrite. I used the word "discuss" but you used "attack". Are these two words synonymous to you?
ChristianNorth: You are right, most of those Sheik spent their time studying Islamic apologetic instead of striving for a personal relationship with God like most Christians do.
Dig up Emp.iree comments here, you would notice in all his apologetics he would always find a way to compare Christianity with moslems.
For instance, if you tell him that it is wrong for moslems to force hijab on their women, instead of convincing you, he would say "Mary wore hijab without understanding why ancient middle easterners wore hair covering"
If you say something about ablution now, he would tell you but Jesus washed his disciples' feet.
This is becoming embarrassing. I was disappointed those muslims couldn't defend their religion without attacking Jesus, but I was more disappointed when they threatened my life for politely telling them I don't want to learn Islam again.
you are unrepentant liar, sir. No one is saying to force hijab on anyone. Yes, we have every right to apply Mary's example in this instance. We have the right to say Jesus did ablution. Again show me where muslims "ATTACK" Jesus please. This is serious allegation
ChristianNorth: Of late, I don't know what have been drawing me to this board. Before I am anti-Islam but now I am open minded.
I don't even believe it that I would abandon work and start researching on Islam. The funny thing is that I wasn't doing that to criticize it, but to be a bit open to it.
Once fantasied how it would look like being a moslem.
Someone once told me that you are the best moslem here, so I follow your post bumber to bumber.
Believe me, I was disappointed.
The first time I personally reached out to an Islamic Evangelical team, I don't what you guys call them but Christians call them missionaries. Instead of telling me what Islam is and why it is good for my soul. They were busy attacking Jesus in a bid to demarket him, misquoting scriptures to paint him bad.
I told them to leave Christianity alone and teach me Islam. They agreed but after few sentences, they started bringing Jesus into the discuss.
I told the guys "don't sale Islam to me by demarketing people's religion. Christians don't do that"
Instead of heeding to the advice, they started pulling links from newspapers about pastors in sex scandals in the USA. I was disappointed and I started pulling those of their imams.
I told them I am no longer interested, those guys threatened my life. I have not even converted yet.
I was in Lagos, few weeks ago. I was staying in our family residence close to a mosque. The Alfa or whoever was in charge was preaching but the only thing I picked up from what he was saying was "Jesus, Christians, pastors, tithe"
I don't understand yoruba, so I don't know the context he was using them but each time he mentions them, his people would shout "Allahu Arkbar"
Since I became active on this board, I noticed you are doing the same thing.
One common thing I noticed is that all you guys are Sunni.
I made a decision, if I am ever going to convert to Islam, I am going for Shia and Sufism.
Anyway from my experiences, the worst of Christianity is the best of Islam. I will rather stay with people I feel safe with.
Only Christians and Shiites offer me that level of comfort.
Back to our story, Hijab was a pre-islamic way of dressing for ancient Arabians because of their windy and sandy environment.
Same old trick you just used. I know how Christian evangelism works. That's exactly what you are doing. In Islam, from God's view, there is nothing like Sunni, Shia, Sufi etc. Islam is Islam. It is when you guys are insincere that's when you bring in sectarian nonsense. If you want to embrace Islam, you don't start talking about which sect is good.
And for your information, there is no way of discussing Islam without mentioning CHRISTIANITY, Judaism, Jesus, Moses etc. This shows that you don't understand anything.
I don't really need to appeal to you or anyone. If my posts are not satisfactory to you, the same posts have been commended by your fellow CHRISTIAN who became Muslim recently on NL and his parents have threatened his life and he had packed out and lives with friend. I won't reveal identity of the fellow.
Again, I didn't post anything on NL to appeal to anyone. A sincere reader doesn't need to get himself in sectarian dissonances. Islam is one. We talk base on the level of the one we are talking to. If discussion has nothing to do with other religion we won't talk about it. For instance, this threads https://www.nairaland.com/3633308/seeing-angels-malaika
We are not concern about other religion. But this thread and similar threads have something in common with CHRISTIANITY. So get your facts right next time before you jump the gun.
Yes, hijab predated Qur'an but Quran is complementary to all previous Revelations. This is why we have some things in common. How is this difficult?. There is no way to discuss some topics in Islam without making reference to Jesus or CHRISTIANITY. And making reference to Jesus is not abusive. No Muslim on Earth would abuse Jesus. It is forbidden in Islam to do that. Yet, majority of your fellow CHRISTIANs would call Muhammad(saw) all sorts of unprinted names but you came here to tell me I talk abusively about CHRISTIANITY. Point to me where I did so.
ChristianNorth: I have been active on this board and I have noticed that in every argument you would always find a way to smuggle christianity into it.
Can't you guys preach Islam without bringing Christianity into it?
FYI, Arabian lands are so sandy and windy, so both their males and females wear hair covering to protect against dust.
Sarah (wife of Abraham), Rebecca (wife of Isaac)Mary (mother of Jesus), Mary Magadelen (a female follower of Jesus) and Hebrew ladies wear hair coverings.
No as an act of modesty, but because of their environment.
Hijab is never a religious wear. Islam is an extension of Arabic culture.
You want to each me my religion now?. You said why did I bring christianity into this, then why do you think you are right?. Covering is in the Quran. Isn't your bible alluded to this fact?. Hijab is not cultural. What is cultural is what is subjective to culture. For instance, see the way our mamas in yorubaland dress their hijab compared to arab and other places. Why did those western women back in the days covered their head?
Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 11:36pm On May 12, 2019
now this is 'next year'
