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I honestly don't eat any of those things beyond ram, goat, maalu lol etc.

Animal like reptiles disgust me a lot. But when I was in my preteen, I played with them and grabbed them a lot. Now I don't wanna see them. And yes, I agree with you on comsuption. Some of them may use ìrù óká for afósé etc. I don't subscribed to this. We have kun faya kun in Quran. That's far better than this. Watch out for ibrupofen though

I'm into medical and real estate. I'm jack of all trades

plainbibletruth:
Empiree, we are talking about the prophet who was supposed to be the "seal of the prophets", "the mercy to all mankind", an exemplar of "The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful"

Do you see that when you equate him with others, apparently to show that since others did what he did then it was alright for him to have done them, you are actually ADMITTING that he fell short of who and what he claimed to be.

A prophet with an army of marauders?

If the "seal" of the prophets demonstrated nothing above and beyond the characters of others; if the "seal" of the prophets showed no extraordinary display of mercy; if the one who is to be followed as an example never exhibited the nature of "Most benevolence" then that should throw up a red flag to show that something is wrong somewhere.

Empiree, do you know what "Most beneficent" and "Most Merciful" mean?

You are not making sense and I'm gonna ignore you soon. This is because you lack sincerity. Moses had army to curb pharaoh excesses. Other Prophets also had some sorts of bodyguards or defense technics. So tell me what's wrong having army while his oppositions had too?. Do you have sense at all or you are simply being hypocritical?.

drealaz24:
This is deep. and the lines/boundaries are so thin else u cross into shrik. However, the safest is to stay away from these things to avoid transgression.

yes. This is where iklas comes in. A Muslim should not just do this without knowledge. A Muslim must be grounded in figh first

Alhajiemeritus:
Lol Jalabi isn't Islamic treatment, it's a mixture of different natural stuffs.

yes. Natural herbs basically

LadunaI:
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That your last statement underscore the need to be careful about all of these stuff.

This is why before venturing into jalabi one must be grounded in figh first. Figh comes first.

For the purpose of learning, let me share this. I took my mum for a visit to her elder sis yesterday, and upon alerting from the vehicle, I was trying to see her to the family house before zooming off, when on our way we passed thru a house with little courtyard where the Alfa normally teach pupils in the evening( I mean Ile kèwu.)

As we approached the area the odour that pervade the area make me try to see where it was coming from, instantly I noticed that, it was coming from that Alfa's place. As we're moving, I eavesdropped a young man sitting at the front of the house, calling someone on the phone if they have Ori Óoka, and some other stuff in the list he was holding. We quickly move past the area. I started to asked myself, what has Muslims got to be doing with these stuff, and burning so many things together in the name of jalabi?

The truth is, so many people have adulterated these things and before you know it, halal/haram become blurred, lots of things forbidden in Islam would be used. Pls what has python's head got to do with Islamic treatment or Iwosan?

I'm not gonna judge that Alfa since this info was eavesdropped. However, if I understood correctly, oka is python right?. Pythons reside in wet, rain forest or swampy area. They may be classified as seafood.

Now, during the course of a debate on permissibility of jalabi two years ago, I came across medical benefits of some sea animals on Islamic topic. There are several aHadith that talk about medical benefits of all sea animals for medical needs. The particular one I researched was frog. The medical benefits of frogs in Islam. There are many scientific methods and the cure for all types of ailments.

The only question mark is another hadith which forbids killing frogs (as exception). But some say the hadith is daef. My point is, Ori oka in itself is not Haram especially if that Alfa is using it for medical. The problem is that in Yorubaland, there is no proper coordination and censorship. We say it raw. In Western world, stuff like these are coded scientifically, which means some of the pills recommended by doctors or over the counter are sometimes jumbled with animal product like Camel urine etc.


Remember I work in medical field so I know what I'm talking about. Modern science advanced and transformed these things to pills. That's why we are not irritated or hesitated to take pills. Alfa is most likely mixing oka with ewe ati egbo and make stew or dissolve it to ebu(powder) for easy digest. I believe Ori oka he ordered was dried one just like dried fish (eja Kika).

The reason they are dried is because it kills possible diseases in that animal itself. Now, I was slightly aware of these things back home but I was not exposed to them. My sheikh only trained us with Dua because this is everlasting. But if Ori oka used for something questionable like invoking something etc, then this is out of line. So I can not possibly fault that Alfa since we have no details. All in all, they should limit the consumption of these things. They have negative effect even if used for medicine just like pills we take. I barely take pills (Orthodox medicine) because they have negative effect too. They can damage kidney if taken too much especially ibuprofen. So jalabi is just iwosan. The reason our baba invented it was because they did not want Muslims to go to other sources like alawo or church to seek spiritual or medical assistance.

I asked my sheikh in 2012 what is Jalabi?. His simple reply was "iwosan". I understood this to mean both spiritual and physical due to verses of Quran and numerous ahadith I read on it. But as Muslim, they have to leaned towards Islam rather than just anything. Always remember that appearance and reality are opposite to each other. Iklas and taqwa are what is needed. These are lacking today.

Wallahu alam

You are trying to be "an expert" in deception. I tell you what, i am always ahead of you

plainbibletruth:
I'm glad you're now admitting that Mohamed used FORCE to entrench Islam in Mecca. Not only in Mecca but in all his other campaigns.

What you criticized here is equivalent to this bible verse:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. ... For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16

This means, this verse is your declaration of faith. Therefore, whoever does not believe Jesus is begotten son of God, nor believe in Jesus, nor recognized Jesus authority, WILL PERISH

You are again honest enough to admit that the "exemplary" SNUBBED someone. You are coming close to getting it.

Jesus SNUBBED Canaanite woman In Matthew 15:22-28, Jesus ignores and then denies a healing to a sincere Canaanite woman. It is not uncommon for a preacher to provide an excuse for why Jesus ignored the sincere cry of the Canaanite woman in Matthew 15:22-23. However, neither an excuse nor an apology needs to be produced. The Lord knew exactly what he was doing, was sure that it was the right thing to do, and explains his simple reason in verse 26.


“It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.” – Matthew 15:26


Surely any modern church will take offense to this statement if made by a member of their church today. Yet here is the your Lord Jesus Christ making such a frank statement.

Thanks again for agreeing with me that Mohamed maintained an army; and we all know what an army is for, don't we?

Nonsense!!! Irrational comment coming from "educated christian"..smh Can you tell us why every country of the world have army?. To answer your question, we all know what an army is for, don't we?.

Vatican has element of military base. You can tell us why they have military?. You are so ridiculous.

Alhajiemeritus:
What you narrated earlier looks to me like the one we call Lazimi over here.

yes, lazimi. You understand. I forgot this word. Used to hear it back then.

LadunaI:
@emp.iree
You're an excellent narrator lol

Interesting story indeed. I really like the idea inculcated in us the idea that Qur'an is sufficient for all our needs, if we know how to use it halalically, but like you pointed out using for negative end is NOT ideal for Muslims.

It seems you're more adept in this stuff ohh. Over a decade as protege of the Sheikh. You will teach us more now.

We waiting for the second story. Nkán béé lootó

we all know if something is evil when we do it unless we wanna be hypocritical about it. Whether there is reason behind it or not it is still wrong. But at the end of the day, the end justified the means. We should not boast about it even if we are right.

It is like launching war campaign on supposed enemies, either a form of revenge, offensive or preemptive. They are however necessary to curb others' excesses. Otherwise they think you are dence. They take your patient and kindness for weakness. In that case, there is no blame on you to deal with such people. Therefore, nítórí wèrè itá lá fí ní tilé

Qur'an teaches us thus,


...were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. [Q22:40]




I understood the Ayah in our context to curb the man's excesses and also to check some of the alfas who might have decided to go elsewhere to deal with him. So we rather did it ourselves. Allah didn't leave us without given us something to tackle idiots. This is why jalabi people are necessary so that muslims don't go to alawo or Christians. We have tools in Islam. So there is charm in Quran. Those who know, know how to. This is not about "nabi didn't do it. sahaba didn't do it. Tabin and tabin didn't do it. Salaf didn't do it". This is very silly reasoning. So if a muslim sees fellow muslim does this legitimate sihr from islamic perspective, they will say he is babalawo. They failed to see that appearance and reality are opposite to each other.


Another Ayah here:


And the retribution for an evil act is an evil one like it, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is [due] from Allah . Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers. [Qur'aan 42:40]


So I think many muslims only understood ayat like these to be military approach only. No sir. Sihr too are there Islamic way. This is why I said Yorubaland can be exceptional sometimes due to our nature. I don't expect victims of occult world to challenge them with guns and other military hardware. You have to use similar approach which the second ayah alludes to. Otherwise, occult people know ògèdè they utter to stop you from using your gun.

In modern Western Civilization, since they don't believe in unseen world, they believe in guns, therefore, they challenge their enemies with similar tools. Now, the difference is that, a Muslim should not make this his source of livelihood. This may constitute evil and Haram on its own.

What happened to this case

Smh,

You considered what he said to be honest bcus you play along his myopic understanding of the hadith?. We know his type for taken literal approach to every religious text unless where it suits him. You should mention his new moniker in this thread and ask him if he changed his position?. The dude is somehow taqlidi. Three years ago he uploaded his nice handsome selfie during eld. A year later he considered taking pictures Haram because he had just read from his saudi Shuyukh that picture is Haram so he started preaching that to us and I kicked him in the butt.

We know Quran hints about freedom of religion. In that case, if that hadith appears to be in conflict with it, then, we must look at the hadith in the context of war.
Why?. Because anytime Hadith talks about killing apostate it is usually has to do with enemies. This is why many scholars, minus Kabir's scholars, said death sentence for apostate is linked with treason.

Look, I usually disagree with Ahmadiya but please go through their website. They said something similar to what I said.

http://www.ahmadiyya.org/islam/tolerance.htm

Lol

plainbibletruth:
Mohamed’s Capture of Mecca

Mohamed took over Mecca by USE OF force. He was NOT invited by its inhabitants to come and rule over them; neither was he elected through any PEACEFUL means to become their leader. THIS IS THE FACT OF HISTORY.

when your Christian terrorist leaders enslaved Africa and Asia, were they invited or elected or selected to colonize Africa?. You are becoming ridiculous every second.

Anyways, muhammad (saw) was the messanger SENT BY GOD to restore monotheism brought by Abraham to Mecca. So therefore, monotheism MUST be enforced in Mecca.



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b]This is how it came about[/b]: As a result of his numerous raids Mohamed took over the properties of those he raided. These raids eventually made him very wealthy. As a result, he was able to amass a large number of followers and weaponry. He therefore felt no reservations in subduing whoever he wanted to either by force of arms or DECEPTIVE DIPLOMACY.

rubbish from your desire. All because you could not defend your bible

Having attained the level of strength he felt he was comfortable with, he turned his attention on Mecca, a city he ignominiously escaped from several years back. [I have noted previously that Medina which was originally called Yathrib accommodated Mohamed when he left Mecca disgracefully but he ended up taking it over].

See as you dey talk as if you care about those people. You are simply jealous. Go to Medina and take it back. You will die trying

A treaty for peace had been made between the Meccans and Mohamed. It was to be a ten-year truce. However, before the expiration of this treaty Mohamed, looking for an opportunity to take over Mecca, came up with a spurious charge that the Meccans violated the terms of the treaty. Consequently, he claimed he now had the right to retaliate and capture Mecca.

see this one trying to re-write history. You will be exhausted while trying this

Having what some record say were up to ten thousand (10,000) men at his command, Mohamed marched on Mecca. When told about the massive size of Mohamed’s army [Yes! Mohamed maintained an ARMY] at their doorstep and with the capacity of that number of men to take over the city and annihilate its population if they were to go into physical combat, the Meccans felt the better option was to capitulate.

seems like you have been reading too much of evangelical liar, David Wood lately. You think you can convince me or what exactly?. Listen, there is no Religion acceptable in the sight of God EXCEPT ISLAM. You are making up this stories in your head because this is your last grip. You are grasping on straws.

After taking over Mecca however, Mohamed committed a series of crimes including killing within the precinct of the Kaaba, in direct violation of what the koran said in chapter 2:125. At one instance Mohamed chided his followers for not cutting off a man’s head but they claim they were waiting for an order from him; he expected them to know his positions on things by now and didn’t have to give a direct order verbally or by a sign.

As if you believe in that verse of Qur'an. I know you are desperate now. You don't want to give up in shame



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b]In spite of the surrender, Mohamed killed a number of Meccans who had reverted to their former religion from Islam[/b].

I am sure you don't even agree with their former religion they went back to either. You are saying all these because of your irrational hatred for our Prophet. It is too late for that. But don't let it be too late for you before you accept muhammad as your messanger.

Abu Sofian escaped death only because he was smart enough to embrace Islam and Mohamed. That was why Mohamed let him off the hook. It was not because of any magnanimity or “exemplary behaviour” on the part of Mohamed. He served Mohamed’s purpose when he made this move.

smh. Abu sufyan was still non muslim when Muhammad arrived in Mecca with full force. He embraced Islam after seeing brilliant character of the prophet for not destroying him and his family despite atrocities he had committed against Muhammad and Muslims.

What Empi.ree failed to say was that this same Abu Sofian had previously approached Mohamed when Mohamed was still in Medina to explain things and sort out the matter BUT MOHAMED SNUBBED HIM – so much for an “exemplary behaviour”! Maybe Emp.iree should tell us how Abu Sofian became a Moslem.

good. Muhammad (p) snubbed him because Abu sufyan's homeboys violated treaty by killing Muslims. I don't think you would want to talk to someone who hurt your feelings either. Do you?.



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b]A man with an army is out for WAR![/b] This should be clear even for a kid. But, maybe Moslem apologists like Empiree will now tell us that Mohamed NEVER had an army; that what he had was a band of “peaceful worshippers”. He may even go on to tell us that they were just a handful when they arrived Mecca but the people “willingly” gave over their city to them.

we never told you he didn't have army. This is true. And in fact, it fulfilled your bible because that showed that he was Prophet like Moses. Moses had army too



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b]The conquest of Mecca was peaceful only to the extent that the people felt overwhelmed and took a decision they thought was best for the preservation of their city and people[/b].

you struggling to hold on to your last strongholds. You failed man.

Mohamed had in fact given orders for the Moslems to march on Mecca. Can Emp.iree tell us what a military order to march on a location means? Is it to go on a “friendly” visit? The only credit Empi.ree gets for this is that he agreed it was a “conquest” and not an acceptance of Mohamed by Meccans.

ask your Christian leaders George Bush and Tony beLIAr

Attempts at whitewashing history will just not work in today’s information age.

you are the one trying to change history. It will not work

Hkana:
Egbon, in as much as I enjoyed reading the posts, I have some reservations. Nothing too serious
I think you gave out too much personal information as the names of everyone involved, at least the major actors, could easily be found out.

There will definitely be people from "his" family who know the story too and the identity of "your Shiekh" so it's in light of that I'd advise you edit your posts and also ask that brother who quote you to do same.

Just my opinion.

Thanks for your observation. I didnt give that a thought. first and second post were edited. But the last and longest quoted by someone, i dont think that has personal infos. You could point out so i can edit that as well. I felt it was old enough so i didn't care about personal info. Thanks again

ak475:
Bros.Please how do I contact you?

through pm here

plainbibletruth:
1. I wrote: "it is CLEAR that Mohamed NEVER showed mercy to any person he considered to be opposed to him."
You DELIBERATELY picked "NEVER", rephrased it in your words, and now want to present that as what I stated. That is deceitful.

SMH

You never heard of or read about prophet Muhammad's last sermon all these years?. You never heard about peaceful Conquest Of Mecca?. Skeptic like you would say prophet muhammad(saw) could easily forgive his enemies because he was weak. How about when he was religiously and politically powerful and in a position of power he could have easily destroy his enemies?. Or when the opportunity presents itself, humans are known for abusing their authority and punishing their enemies brutally.

Here, too, the Prophet demonstrated exemplary behavior. The most well-known example of this is during the peaceful takeover of Mecca by the Muslims. At a time when he could have easily destroyed his worst enemies, Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, showed remarkable restraint. This is even more significant given the culture of vicious tribal rivalry and guilt by association practiced at the time.


Among those the Prophet forgave were Abu Sufyan, a Quraysh leader who was among those who led the opposition to Islam; Ikrimah ibn Abu Jahl, an enemy whose father was one of the Prophet's most vehement opponents; Hind, the wife of Abu Sufyan, who ripped open the corpse of the Prophet's beloved uncle Hamza after the Battle of Uhud and ripped out his heart and liver; Wahshi, the man commissioned by Hind to murder Hamza; Utbah, the son of another of the Prophet's greatest foes, Abu Lahab, who had divorced the Prophet's daughter Ruqayyah under pressure from his father. None of these individuals were harmed or punished for their crimes.

2. To insist that what a writer wrote as a parable is not it, is simply ridiculous.

I still don't understand why you want to impose parable on Luke 19:27 when it is clear as daylight that it is a violent passage?. This is just like the way you insist Quran breeds violence.

Wait ooo, did you just say "the writer". Who was the writer?. Definitely not Jesus. This shows that it was the writer's opinion. The "only way" I will leave you alone on this topic is that you either admit that the writer was not inspired but he wrote that verse and that verse has nothing to do with Jesus or we keep dragging it?.

The implication is that if you reject the passage that it was not inspired, it means your bible is corrupt as we always said. You have two desperate options. Chose one

3. You insist that what the "companions" said and "chain of narrators" is valid in Islam. Now when it comes to the gospels you now argue against the INSPIRED WRITINGS of Jesus' Apostles. What do you call that?

your bible doesn't have impressive chain of narrations and chain of authority.

Who was the writer of Luke 19:27? And does the "chain" of the passage reached Jesus himself?. If it did, could you give evidence where Jesus said it was parable?.

I am not gonna get into full details about how and what was devised to bring him down but i will point you to a few ayat or surah of Quran used to deal with him. While Ladi was enjoying himself, we were busy working on his @ss domestically. All the money spent on this came out of my sheikh's pocket and he said Ladi will pay for everything (and he did) at last.

Anyways, my sheikh was determined and in full force to bring him down. He rummaged old "tira" containing nakali a k a "musiba" (negative) of "muiba". May Allah protect us from musiba. Today, in most cases we just recite Qur'an mechanically without deep meaning. We read some phrases like "sumu bukumu umuyun" (Baqarah 18) for the sake of qira only without thinking. But it is "firaku" (yoruba pronunciation) and "musiba" if you know how to use it. Put target's name and his mother's in the mims in ountu (taada and kalam) and also written in paper, and do what you have to do with it, you finish your target's life. . This is sihr in the Quran not alawo and definitely not ebo (shirk).

We also used sura abasa (80). I remembered i did lots of ountu on this sura with many many alfas hired to help out. And of course some other verses like tabatiyada etc. Then, we waited for these firaku to take effect on him. By Allah, we didnt even finished yet before he started noticing changes to his life from enjoyment to sorrow. . We started getting calls from left and right from his mom in Lagos. My sheikh just turned blind eye and he said, "he hasn't seen nothing yet. I will not stop until he is finished".

Yes, we didnt stop at all until the whole process was completed. Imagine Ladi was already feeling the heat at outstart?. How about after finishing the firaku?. Firaku is asaasi (sihr). When asaasi starts working, it becomes musiba for the target. We all know the meaning of musiba, isnt?. You can see that in [Al Baqara: 156]. So when musiba finally hit its climax, uncle Ladi was extremely sick and could not walk and could barely talk. He was taken to the hospital but UK doctors could not find his problems. They could only say his temperature was extremely high. A friend of his said he was almost naked in extreme cold weather just to cool his body temperature but he was still very hot. This is called firaku. On top of it, musiba hit him. UK govt charged him to court for no apparent reason and he was sentenced to jail despite his condition. The whole thing happened too fast. Calamities hit him in succession.


Other things happened to him that i can even mention here. It was in jail he realized he might offended someone and he called his mother from prison to go and beg "Alhaji". And of course, my sheikh is not hard headed person. He felt pity too quickly and he has solution (antidote) or muiba (positive). He told his mother that he just wanted to teach him a lesson because he thinks he is too smart. He said his only solution was for him to return to Nigeria. But we didnt know at the time that he was jailed. The only thing we were told was he was sick and could not move. Upon learning he was incarcerated, we all got to work again to have him released. We had his "key" in our control LOL

To restore someone back to their good condition, we needed ountu again: Allah in arabic. In hau 'a' in the middle, put his name and his mother's name. And also write Muhammad in arabic and inscribe his name and mother's in the mims and complete the job. This is muiba. Then he was released by UK govt and got better medical wise. But he was warned if he doesn't come to nija we would put him back in his previous state. Bro, who want to go back to few months of hell?.


Uncle Ladi was like "hell no", he picked available flight and landed in nija really quickly. He didnt care about immigration status at this point. He just wanted to settle everything. But unfortunately, he didnt come with money either. We expected that. My sheikh took care of his responsibilities for up to a year he was with us the second time. But his mom did help with some cash too.


So we did everything for him to help him out from family to UK govt issues. This is where sura Yasin, dua jabariyyah and khutba came in. These are meant to restore everything to normal. It is good to have faith. He was worried how he would make back his lost. Many of us and some alfas worried too but my sheikh was like everything would be back to normal multiple fold. He just had that confidence and assurance. Indeed, Ladi went through immigration at port of entry like he is British citizen. That night he boarded flight at MMA, we organized short dua again. As his flight was taken off (as we already estimated through his itinerary), we recited Maryam 6 for him as we normally do but this time with intention to get back on track (his lost). Upon returning to UK he got buyers for some of his houses he already listed and for sale and paid us his debt.


All his other properties confiscated by UK govt were released and that was it. He was still in UK and enjoyed himself until 2001 when his mother passed away and he came home for burial. That was the last time i saw him. I wasn't around shortly afterward either. So you can see sihr derived from Quran without going to babalawo?. The fact that it is from Quran doesn't mean we should do it. My sheikh knew consequences (is like he broke the code) so he summoned everyone for tawbah and istighfar in group unison for 70,000 times, shahada, salat al ala nabiy etc. All of them same counts. This incident took place in 1994.

I dont have details of Ladi's problems with the British govt. And this problem didnt come to light until he came home. My Sheikh had been making duas for him on his own prior to elaborate dua which demanded presence of up to 40 alfas. That was when i learned sura Yasin off hand bcus i needed money too for school lunch

Whatever happened btw him and my sheikh then, i have no details of that. All i heard was he didnt pay him for his service after he survived his struggle with British govt. I heard clearly back then that he said he wanted to sell his property {house} to pay him up. This went on for a while. I also understood that he could not come to nija due to his immigration status. My sheikh put this into consideration but he assured him to come home and that he would make it back.

There was something going on btw he and his mother (mama) that had been going on and they both came to my sheikh for settlement. I have no clue about this but this contributed more problems. What it was, I have no idea. All i knew was that I heard loud screams and i went downstairs to figure it out. Alas! it was Ladi yelling at his mother on a very serious argument in the presence of my sheikh.


Anyways, he came to nija with nothing from UK prison. UK govt suddenly released him without knowing LOL. (awon alfas tough faah). They have Allah's Names that work faster than federal express. He stayed at our house for months for his battles and won. But at this time, there wasn't much presence of alfas except few. And so he went back to UK. I dont know how. So dont ask me.


He called for few weeks after he went back to UK and then stopped calling. During that time he would tell us that he is broke and needed to sell his house. We believed him for months until we got info that he is living large and enjoying his life while he owes us money and those alfas that helped him out. This is when all out war began. My sheikh reached out to his mother many times. He is very shy to confront her for two reasons:

she was older and also a long time friend.


This is why it took long before he acted on it. When it was clear that Ladi ignored his mom's calls (at least call my sheikh or send his money), Ladi ultimately stopped answering his mom's calls. That's when the battle line was drawn. I still remember one thing my sheikh said, that he would not have done anything to him if other alfas did not involved in helping his issues. He said those alfas had to ge get paid for their sweat. This was logical rational excuse. He (my sheikh) only managed to pay young alfas who were not closed by.

Let me start with Oged. I will not exaggerate the story. Will narrate what I experienced, saw, and heard. I was a teenager when this happened but i was well aware what happened for the basic part.

I am sure you know Oged. It is the same one hailed or praised in Obesere song in the 90s. They are from Osun state originally and they are also family friend. I lived with their mother whom I considered "grandpa" and we all called her "mama". She lived in Lagos. Oge family is mixed of muslims/christians but for the most part, they identified with Islam save one or two of her sons. Her famous son is Roti. Sounds familiar?

Roti lived in USA. I dont know when he moved to US but I knew him since early 90s and he used to come to our house for dua and he made money in the US quite right. His son told me few months ago that he moved back to nija permanently. There was no problem with this uncle with us. Basically their mother, Mama was our client known to us since 1972.

His younger brother, Ladi is subject of this narration bcus this was the problem back then. Uncle Ladi, from what i understood was the last born and he resides in London since 90s.. Uncle Ladi lived in our house for up to a year. He used to take us out to eat Mr. Biggs He was with us for problems he had with British govt and family issues.

LadunaI:
This your last response got me thinking smh. The answer is deep, as am trying to fathom it. But I believe May be thru those stories you're about to narrate, I would be able make better understanding of it.

70k istigfar We need it more these days. That should take one like 1 wk or a month to complete?

One sitting OVERNIGHT

plainbibletruth:
AGAIN, note what I've stated earlier: "Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth"

Islam is full of CONTRADICTIONS. It is therefore easy for Moslems to run to any side and argue that the claim of anyone against Islam is wrong.

Even when it is CLEAR from Islamic literature that a thing is recorded Moslems like you, looking for a way out, then run to "weak " or "strong", and where that will not work the placard of "chain of narrators" is thrown up. How convenient! How very convenient!

Weak or srong, that's classification of fiction from nonfiction literatures. You may try to fault hadith. Thats your issue but you can not fault Quran bcus entire Quran is mutawatir.

So, Islam and Moslems decide which portion of an Islamic document to choose as correct and which one to see as inaccurate. Even then, when a negative is pointed out in the portion they have chosen they resort to other claims to seek a way of "escape".

Well, when it comes to character of our prophet, only Quran, which is ABSOLUTE revelation has already described his character. Anything else outside of that, that may be problematic must be weighed side by side with Quran first and then in its historical context.

Mohamed is said to be a "MERCY". Yet from the Koran to the hadiths and biographies it is CLEAR that Mohamed NEVER showed mercy to any person he considered to be opposed to him.

I am sure that many of your evangelical supporters will even disagree with you on this. You used the world "NEVER" to narrowed down chances that he NEVER showed mercy. This makes you a bigot. James White, a christian apologist would disagree with you.

1. The koran
Q.9: 5

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Note that it says when the sacred months have passed. This means they were not under attack. If they were, the Koran would have asked them to defend themselves so there would have been no waiting.
Even if Moslems today claim that it does not apply today, it still showed that the koran AUTHORISED KILLING during Mohamed's time.
Do we need "chain of narrators" here too?

If i quote violent verse from your bible now you will start screaming "out of context" or "parable". Dont you think you are been dishonest?. So now read from chap. 1 to 6 and that should clear the air, bigot.

2. Sahih Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 29, Number 72. :
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Allah's Messenger entered Mecca in the year of its Conquest wearing an Arabian helmet on his head and when the Prophet took it off, a person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is holding the covering of the Ka`ba (taking refuge in the Ka`ba)." The Prophet said, "Kill him".

3. Sahih Muslim 1:30

"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Very simple. You have similar narration in your bible. Mr. Luke recorded in his Gospel


But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.


There is no parable in that. Simple and short. We can deduce from Luke 19:27 that your Jesus didnt want freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of choice.

Whereas, Qur'an says "Let there be no compulsion in religion" Sura Baqara


Common sense should tell you that you are quoting ahadith categorized in military expedition to make cheap point?. Even our modern constitutions have this type of thing. I didnt wanna bother to post about Ibn Khatal knowing that you will still never be satisfied, but i should.

Since you believe in wikipedia, it has this to say about him.


Abdullah ibn Khatal (died 629 C.E.) was a Muslim tax collector who committed treason against the State of Medina by defecting to Mecca and becoming an Apostate. He was killed shortly after the Conquest of Mecca on the orders of Muhammad being one of the 12 inhabitants of Mecca not granted immunity. It is said that he was hanging to the curtains of the Kaaba in Mecca, where he attempted to take refuge but was executed before being able to enter the Ka'aba . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Khatal

4. Ibn Ishaq (Mohamed's Biography), Bukhari, & others
"When the tribe of . . . Quraiza was ready to accept Sad’s judgment, Allah’s Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah’s Apostle said (to the Ansar) [or Helpers], "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah’s Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

You never get over Banu Qurayza?. Even your seniors James White, David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, Jay Smith had given up debate on Qurayza battle. I debated this before with ifeann and i am never going back to this. Conclusion is judgement was passed on them and they accepted their crimes and that was it.

The Koran was written down as WHAT during the time of Mohamed?
Was it in a SINGLE BOUND VOLUME?
IF SO[, what did Uthman do later on about its COMPILATION?

Instead of arguing back n forth, all you have to do to prove Quran wrong is BRING ANOTHER QURAN THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OUR CURRENT ONE. Simple, isnt? We all know the story. You can save our time on endless arguments by doing the needful @bold

Is there anywhere that it was written in the koran that the gospel referred to is "the Gospel ACCORDING TO JESUS"? Why are you trying to feed people with LIES?

You scared?. Common sense should tell you that Jesus was the messenger and prophet. He was the one Gospel was revealed to. Hence, Quran is referring to Gospel according to Jesus. God had no business with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These aforementioned people who wrote their own Gospels was according to each and every one of them ABOUT JESUS. But Gospel given to Jesus was for Jesus. Therefore, any other gospels different from Gospel according to Jesus, are hearsays or are written ABOUT him.

If history is written about you Mr. plainbibletruth, it means YOU ARE NOT THE AUTHOR. In another word, Jesus was not the author of Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Simple, isnt?

usermane:
An Analysis of Qur'an 8:35

Translation


Because the word 'salat' is used for the 'clapping & whistling' of the Arabs, it will be shallow to assume the Arabs just literally clapped and whistled in their salat.

brother, you still wrong. It is like using the word "prayer" for prayers of the Hindu, Buddhist, Jews, shikh, Christian, chintos, zoroastrians etc at kaaba. It is still "prayer" just like salat mentioned in the ayah but not correct formats.


Their format was wrong



It means if you watch a video that surfaced a while back titled "strange Islam", y will see no wrong in it. To them they are practicing Islam but not as we do. Looks like there are no scholars of Islam in that region to guide them. You should watch the video. But from what you are saying, it seems to me that you are not gonna fault those people because according to you, it is "salat" regardless.

This is the video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFcQHYq5E3c&t=16s

LadunaI:
Like what really?. I believe one can pray for anyone anywhere in the world, and if the du'a is accepted the effect will reach the fellow.

Yes, prayers. And once it is accepted, the rest is peanut. But, there is always BUT. That 'but' is the religious background of the subject. Thats where problem lies.

Yeah, if the treatment does not involve shirk and any haram things, it may be permissible. But one have to be very care full with all these things, because one can easily fall into shirk with it. Take for instance, ogun for protection or ayéta, even if the material use are NOT haram, it will involve relying on this thing which will invite shirk. If the treatment is meant for bodily disease then this might be ranked along side normal drugs and the danger might be less.

Yes, true. No objection. When some of those baba used to do something like ayéta (if at all they did it), they gave no preference to it. They would say Allah did it instead of making direct reference to whatever they used. This is what modern alfas are lacking. They rather boast about charm. I don't support this even if it is halal. Reminds me of my years in ilorin. I was listening to Ali Agan when he narrated incident that just happened few days earlier to a friend of his who is a Muslim. He was attacked and robbed at gunpoint. When he didn't give up his cash, they shot him but the bullets did not penetrate. Both Ali Agan and his friend referred back to Allah rather than making reference to whatever ayeta he used. Although Ali Agan didn't say he used ayeta. He simply said "ibon ko ran won... Ola Olohun ni"

Can you share more details about the story so that we can learn from it. Why the solution had to be domesticated?

in Sha Allah, I will. This will now bring us back to my first comment about "BUT" I made up there. It is a little complex and I will break it down as soon as I'm chanced.

I have watched both clips, well from my assessment they didn't make proper dichotomy about the o gun they were talking about ( either iwosan or charm). But from what I gleaned from it, it seems they are talking much about spiritual warfare, which I believe largely that can be repelled with Qur'an and strong Iman occasioned by constant du'a and takwah.

thought as much. I definitely knew they were talking about spiritual warfare.

Had it been they break it down well, it would have been nice.

that's why it was better to be quiet until one confirms directly from them rather than being judgemental like a guy in UK did. But sheikh clearly said "ewe ati egbo" and oruko Olohun. But then, in this day and age, it is much better to let muslims, especially young ones steer clear from it because there is so much lack of iklas these days unlike back in the days.

No doubt, Ogun nbe fun a won ti o man lilo ré, is Holy Prophet(saw) not temporary affected by the spell casted on him by one jew woman?but Muwadhathain was revealed, and holy Prophet(saw) only recited it, and each knot of the charm was broken.

As much as I used to believe in this narration, I begin to doubt it as I read details of it in recent time due to puritans approach. The way you briefed here makes sense but if you read details from Imam Hamad ibn Hambali (ra), I doubt it because it might have impacted on wahi which evangelical Christians used to mock.

Sahih bukhari record says sihr lasted for "so so so period of time". Imam Hamad recorded that so so so period of time mentioned by imam bukhari(ra) that sihr lasted on him (saw) was six (6) months . This is why Sheikh Habeeb ilory discarded the hadith as blasphemy and fake.

Pls share further that man story in NY.

in Sha Allah

How? This verse specifically condemned the use of sihr, I don't see any evidence that point toward that make it halal. I believe, sometimes in eyes of carpenter with hammer, everybody look like nail lol.

I'm trying to figure it out too. No, he didn't say the verse makes sihr halal but he tried to say the verse speaks about sihr which shaytan gave yahud but at the same time the Angels also came down with something similar in appearance but different in essence. He didn't detail bcus it was just a brief discussion between him and someone else on the use of medical benefits of frog.

Sihr is HARAM even if it has no Haram elements. A Muslim should not do it even if he knows how. He should always practice self restraint. Sihr are in the Qur'an that Muslims can use to deal with someone that tresspasses you but it is still Haram for the fact that you deal with someone that's why both shuyukh I mentioned to you warned to not do it even if it is Qur'an. Even making dua by specifically mentioning name of individual that God should deal and punish the person is considered "asaasi". This is considered Haram too. But if a Muslim does it, we should not critisize him if it is once in a while or just one time because we don't know what happened. We should not call him kafir because of that.

So I will tell you that we did this back then in the 90s to deal with someone and that was it and we made istgfar afterwards. Niyah is very important. I'm not talking about istgfar you make with your fingers by 10 counts. I'm talking about sitting down and doing istgfar 70k for the wrong done even though we did it to curb someone excesses.

So despite the use of Quran to inflict pain on someone, it is ogun too. This is what I'm trying to tell you about halal charm but I don't know if I phrased it properly. I wish ikupakuti is here to enlighten us. So I believe that it is better to use the one in the Qur'an than going to alawo. There are positives and negatives sihr in the Qur'an. It depends on how folks understand and approach it. Everything is not just peace peace and peace with criminals. Deal with them once is a while to prove to them power of Quran. We did this on oge back then when he crossed the line

This type of thing is kept in private life. I'm telling now because it is now history. I may tell you about og later too.

LadunaI:
Yes, this phenomenon happen everywhere like I said earlier, is just that in the WEST- free society, such is given impetus, and condition for it thrive and blossom to full atheism. Homosexual, lesbianism etc are NOT only peculiar to the WEST,also happen elsewhere, but the good news is that such evils is not allow to fester by government unlike west, hence curtailed infesting others. And that what Dr Bilal refers as safety net in that video.

yes, that safety net is what is being attacked by world power. They demonize govts that curtail such activities as been dictators that prevent its citizens from freedom. They use "freedoms" to champion their cause. You could see that btw Jonathan and Obama and mugabe. See how they resisted Obama.

beewhy25:
Yes my brother i just came online now as i cant even sleep @all'.

reasons...

1. Am a die hard gambler have tried my possible best to desist from it but all to no avail...

2. I just received the greatest shock of my life that i have been expelled from my school after spending like 4 years...

3. Right now i think the only option is suicide Wallahi Tallahi i cant take the shame, embarrassment and pain for the rest of my life ..

have been depressed before which nearly took my life but now i think i cant go back to that state the best thing is to just do it once and for all....


Nobody should advice me now ooo hv been holding this for the past 4 years thinking God would turn me over to a new leaf but the reverse is the case as i keep on entering trouble here and there... i have depts incured by me due to theft of other people property kept in my possesion, my hustling never pays and at the end i think am being cursed

i have tried to look if i have offended anybody but no i dont think so... am so pained where can i start from ?


[size=16pt]Allah has forsaking me just when i needed him most..[/size]

cc:maclatunji, Rashduct4luv,

Does anyone knows this guy in real world?. He needs serious help. Please don't take this as a joke. This guy needs family members and friends around him right now before things go south.

It happens as a joke but it is not gonna be funny when you hear sad news about him. The earlier his friends and family step up and rally around him the better. I have seen someone wished suicide thoughts for himself on Facebook and his friends were just laughing thinking he was just joking until suddenly they learned he killed himself (shot himself in the head).


Bro beewhy25, Allah doesn't forsake you. You need dramatic positive changes in your life right now before you do anything stupid. The worst is to take your own life. These negative thoughts does nothing but compounds your problems.

You need to seek therapy right now before it is too late. Being expelled from school is not the end of everything. There are millions of high school and college drop out that are successful in life.

Please get this thought of suicide off your head right now. Whoever knows this guy should reach out to him asap. You have realized your wrongs. Gambling is never a good thing. Nothing positive comes out of it. Now that you realized it ruined your life, you need to make tawbah (U-turn) to Allah. Allah's Mercy is always at your doorstep.



Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful." Q39:53


Please reach out to Allah and Allah will reach out to you. Please lose no hope.

Hkana:


Let's wait together Egbon. Hopefully someone will come through for us.

I found this on shii website but it contains both Sunni and Shia sources

http://www.marefateahlebait.com/miscellaneous/first-month-of-the-islamic-year




And these are links to choose from too for different views


https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&q=why+Muharram+is+taken+as+first+month+and+not+Rabi+Ul+Awwal&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC56SM5sbdAhVLVd8KHbbZA-sQBQghKAA&biw=360&bih=560

LadunaI:
I have watched that video cli in detail, and must tell you he has spoken well. I had benefited from that nasiha.

I believe this sort of things happens to us all, but with variance in degree. How do I mean. You will find yourself sometimes with very strong iman; performing all sort of IBADAH to please Allah, and all of sudden become weak at times. But listen to preaching always bring us back on tract and more devoted than we once exhibited. That's is why Allah(swt) says in the Qur'an; "Remind for REMINDERs benefit the believers".

The only thing is that when those people in question slips, they might find it difficult to reestablish because of severe "disconnection" they suffered, couple with societal challenges that seems to dragged them further into misguidance. Unlike us here that had a culture rooted in Islamic value as safety net.

Also, I think the contributory factor might be, as you alluded to, the way Islam is been preached these days with their rigid approach to everything. Because if the essence is been made OBVIOUS (I mean Islamic Spirituality) at the onset, then whatever the challenge there will always be that conviction that going back to ALLAH is the solution, rather deserting Him.

Look at this happening under our nose. What Dr. Bilal Philips was saying in that video about Canadian Muslim youths

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/nigeria-undercover-atheists-words-180917212711132.html

The ones in Canada came out in the open due to the so called free society. The ones in Nigeria go undercover due to possible backlashes

Alhamdululah, the same efforts devised to solve this will be appreciated btw ksa/Iran/Qatar/Yemen.

Eritrea and Djibouti's conflict wasn't hot topic. So perhaps, the reason they solved it amicably. Thanks to them anyways

true2god:
No person who don't use the Internet, either for learning or research works unless you are not educated. You lied that I listed all my points from the Wikipedia and I asked you to produced the URL which you have failed to do. As I said earlier, I will repeat again, stop making a claim you cannot defend.

In any society we will surely have criminal elements and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The only thing the govt will do is to create a correctional system (or prison system) to reform them. Most criminal elements in the US that are imprisoned, or even the mainstream society, find Islam attractive. You can hardly see any decent American that finds Islam attractive. What does this tell you? Islam appeals to criminals and find them as easy recruits to drive Islamic agenda in the US. Over 90% Muslim converts in the US are from the prison system.

You still dont get it. Maybe you chose to ignore the point. Does finding Islam attractive denotes criminal intent?. No. It reforms them. Also you keep saying islam doesn't appeal to decent Americans, i showed some people both white and black influentials who are muslims. Afterall, if they found islam attractive, it simply means it gives them second chance or a new life. You can try harder by trying to link islam with criminals, it will not work. Fact still remain that they committed crimes and were arrested while christians. And there are also undercover affluent muslims who in New York City,both males and females.

The Christian legal system is the fairest worldwide; all men are seen as equal irrespective of race or religious affiliation.

No my friend. Thats not christian legal system. That's secular laws. Your legal system is in the Old Testament. You are not following Jesus if you fail to apply old Laws.

No wonder Muslims will rather choose (or go to ) the Christian west over any Islamic country to settle down and make a career and a living. Over 90% of Muslims will rather choose the US or Britain instead of Saudi Arabia or Iran. Why? Muslim countries are not conducive for decent and sane mind.

Question is, why did christian destroy and colonize muslim countries?. You did that and destroyed and stole their resources through slave trades. The bible taught you how to steal.

The Islamic Sharia makes Muslims superior to non-muslims. Christians are second class citizens in Saudi Arabia. No Saudi citizen will retain his citizenship status if he leaves Islam. He will either be jailed or killed. Can you mention the so-called Christian community in Saudi Arabia?

Propaganda!!!. And if you want to know about christian community, go find out on your own.

Saudi Arabia cannot tolerate Christianity yet you claimed there is a Christian community in Saudi Arabia? Nawa for you bro! You just buttressed my point, Islam is the most intolerant and violent ideology worldwide. Where is the principle of tolerance after all Quran 2: 256 said 'there is no compulsion in religion? Oh sorry, allahh had changed his mind in Quran 9:29, fight the Christians and the Jews.

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Vatican comes to mind

OLUWABIG:
he no fit show face

I don't even know what you have contributed so far beyond hiding behind liars.

usermane:
Salat Without Hadith

Salat loosely translate to communication. Anyone actively, humbly and mindfully speaking to God is practically performing salat, regardless of their religion, regardless of their procedure. If the traditionalist's procedure of salat is the only acceptable one, the Qur'an would have alluded it.

Of course, going by the Qur'an alone, individual Muslims may have varying procedures of salat. So, for a congregational salat, such variation is easily addressed by mutual agreement on a specific procedure among congregants when they offer salat behind one imam.

Nonsense!

So only during congregational salat we are uniform bro, you are getting worse. Christians go separate ways due to different forms of worship they invented for themselves. What you are insinuating will not work because it is not coordinated.

I think you should listen to yourself and read in your mind before you post. The purpose of prophet was to properly coordinate obligatory acts of worship. But you are promoting disunity in this specific act of worship.

usermane:
Arabs Observed Salat Before Muhammad, God Never Condemned their Procedure.

In Qur'an 8:35, God used the word 'salat' for the practices of the pre-Islamic Arabs whom He chastises. It's discernible that this verse doesn't condemn the salat procedure of the Arabs, it seem rather to condemn the carefree mindset of the Arabs to salat.

Muhammad could have learnt from these Arabs. Jews, Zoroastrians and Christians performed salat in Muhammad's days. Given the resemblance of traditionalist's salat with these religious communities', Muhammad could have borrowed a leaf from them.

You are getting worse everyday.. lol


The verse:


And their prayer at the House was not except whistling and handclapping. So taste the punishment for what you disbelieved.


How can you misread this clear text?. First, our current salat procedure is not "whistling and clapping" which is what they were doing. And the Ayah said at the end that they were punished for that which means thats not the proper procedure legislated. And you said Allah didn't chastise them?.

You funny. You didn't see the highlighted area?.