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true2god:
I will really appreciate if you can provide the Wikipedia link which I paraphrased to build my argument. To be fair with you, I never say I haven't gotten any material from the internet; over 90% of what I wrote is my personal opinion.

On the black American converts, what I said is that most of them are Christian 'criminals' prior being arrested. Islam in prison only help them to fraternise and create a sense of brotherhood. Watch many American prison life to see how it works. Angry and disgruntled black criminals are easily attracted to Islam. It is part of human behavior; you are attracted to a group/organization that suits your social/human behaviour. Islam give them a spiritual angle to their inate lifestyle.

Lebron James, and many other black stars, can also become Muslim, especially when the system goes against him and he becomes disgruntled. 95% of African-american Muslim converts are disgruntled elements. Mention a single popular black American Muslim convert who is not a disgruntled element to the American govt, especially with respect to race relation?

And don't get me wrong, we have 1000s of African-americans who are Christians and are serving jail terms.

You have to google the internet in search of American converts to Islam, cut the crap bro. The US is almost 500 million in population and you will surely see many converts on the internet. The good news is that they are protected by the 1st Amendment which guaranteed religious freedom. Can a Christian convert remain in Saudi Arabia without being killed or jailed? Is there religious freedom in Saudi Arabia?

plainbibletruth:
Empiree, I thought you were smarter than that. "COVENANT" is not a set of rules. Or is that an Islamic definition?

You are beginning to make me think that you don't examine the comments one made before you reply.
I hope it's just that and not a more serious matter of comprehension.
This is what I stated:
" ... the koran acknowledged the gospels of which the book of Luke is one"
That shouldn't be difficult to understand; should it?
Or are you going to deny that the koran acknowledges the gospel?

Show us evidence that:
"Angel Gabriel(as) reviewed Quran with him twice towards the end of his life"and that Mohamed supervised "his scribes hard copy in his lifetime."

This "confirmation of truth" requires a reflection from you: If people other than Mohamed wrote the koran and hadiths, can we say that they were INSPIRED and so we can trust their work? If so, then Allah had other "MESSENGERS" after Mohamed. He was therefore not the final messenger of Islam.
If, on the other hand, those people were not INSPIRED, then they acted on their own authority. Therefore we cannot trust their work.

So, on which side of these two are you Emp.iree?

usermane:
OK. First, Stand your ground law is flawed. Need be scrapped or thoroughly modified. It shouldnt be OK to kill someone just cos you 'feel' threatened by them.

Secondly this is not good analogy for Hadith #8. On paper, Stand Your Ground Law can favor any one, of any demographic(Muslim, Non-Muslim, White, Black) for the homicide of someone from another demographic.

On paper, Hadith #8 only favors one demograhic(Muslims) for the homicide of one from another demographic(non-Muslims)



I won't dispute this with you. It will be another rabbit hole. But look at the bright side in it, since they do not attribute their laws and policies to God, it's open to questioning and thus modification.

In Muslim countries, they openly attribute their laws to God. They invoke Islam, & say these laws are immutable. And accuse anyone that question the law of blasphemy and enemity to Islam.



I never blamed traditional Islam for Saudi ban on women driving. But I believe for the government to institute such a ban, the Muftis must have supported it.

usermane:
I criticize that law, it is unfair. If a white British commit murder abroad he must be liable to death sentence even if he's extradited. Same way, a Muslim should be liable to death sentence for murder of a non-Muslim even in an Islamic State.

Funny, for some reason, you think any one that criticize traditional Islam must be an ardent supporter of every policy in western democracies.

zoba88:
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true2god:
Bro hardworking, well educates, easy-going, focused and success-driven African-american who converted to Islam. I don't say it's impossible, but very very rare.

Islam is not made for a critically and rationally-minded person bro, unless you are born into Islam or grow up in an Islamic society.

true2god:
Bro, if you search through the internet from now till next year you will never see any of what I just wrote on the internet. I am not dull bro; I am more than an average person when it comes to academic and intellectual discipline. I wrote over 99% of what you read, except the internet link I attached which has to do with atheism in Saudi Arabia. If you can search the internet and show me where I copied what I wrote from I will send you a recharge card of 1k ( I know you are far bigger than that).

I seriously can't understand the point you tried to make. I still however maintained that most African-american Muslim converts are either not-yet arrested criminals, prisoners and ex-convicts. You can hardly see a hardworking, well educates, easy-going, focused and success-driven African-american who converted to Islam. I don't say it's impossible, but very very rare

Islam is not made for a critically and rationally-minded person bro, unless you are born into Islam or grow up in an Islamic society

Even the African-american ex-convicts, over 80% of them leave Islam within 5-10 years. Thank God they are in the US and not Saudi Arabia.

true2god:
You argue like a kid but I believe you are an adult.

Let's look at issue of African-american Muslim converts again. The blacks in the US are made up of about 13% of the population, about 50 million people. The population of blacks in the American prison system is almost 45% of the entire prison population which is a high when you look at the normal demographics of all blacks in the US vis-à-vis their representation in the prison yards. This means that there are enough blacks for Muslims to convert outside the prison system. Why are Muslim missionaries channelling their energies to convert incarcerated African-americans?

1) Most black prisoners are not educated and over 90% didn't even finish high school. Muslim nations/communities are the least educated worldwide. So it is natural for the uneducated elements in the US to embrace Islam.

2) Islam as a religion has a great appeal to anyone who is rebellious. If you want to go against a social order and want to have a religious angle to the struggle, you need Islam to achieve that. It is very easy to fight any govt if you play Muslim card very well. No wonder most popular civil right activist choose Islam.

3) Islam does not reform a man, it only make you have a family of like-minds. Most American Muslim converts retain their criminal elements after leaving the prison system.

4) It is very hard to convince an average educated African-american, who is not in prison, to accept Islam because they have more rational view of an ideology than the illiterate and the uneducated ones. The more educated an Africa-American is, the lower the tendency that he will convert to Islam.

5) Most African-american Muslims were outlaws, even without a prison experience, before accepting Islam. The religion assist them exhibit their full macho-man lifestyle which Christianity might restrict them.

6) Lastly, Christian 'criminal' are potential Muslim converts. Islam offer them the freedom to express themselves better without much control and also assist form a cult-like association with their fellow converts. It is all about the continuation of the brotherhood outside the prison system.

Go and watch the movie OX and you will see how Islamic brotherhood operates in American prisons, especially among the black convicts.

If you look at the life of Muhammad and his sahabas it is not different from the life of African-american muslim black convicts; looting, killing and raping of people who are not in the brotherhood (Qur'an 8:60, 9:29, 8:39, sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

LadunaI:
And this brings me to first assertion that is a reflection of our iman at times from my own perspective, because as we developed in spirituality the less we give precedence to all these things safe PRAYER!!!. The life of Holy Prophet(saw) showed us this. And I was particularly influenced when I read the anecdotes of Hadrat Uways. The Holy Prophet(saw) said that when describing him that he had leprosy, but he prayed to Allah(swt) and he was cured of it safe a little spot like a coin. And this one refers to as the BEST of Tabiuns. I believe there many instances which buttress this point from life of Sahabas and Awliya.

So what is your take?

true2god:
You don't understand the psychology of human behavior. A negative remark made concerning a person/group under a peaceful and tranquil atmosphere is usually the truth statement. The Pope made an honest opinion about Islam and the entire Muslim world went hysterical, looting and burning churches, the trademark of Islam and the prophet. For peace to reign and to calm the nerves of hysterical Muslims, he had to issue an apology. The fact remained he made his opinion about Islam known and was removed from the office as a result. No wonder the current Pope Francis will go any length to kiss the ass of the Muslims; this what the globalists and the Soros-funded organization controlling the world order asked him to do. The current Pope is the worst Pope in the history of the papacy; a leftist to the core doing the bid of the global mafia.

Thank God that you also identified that most African-american Muslims are ex-convicts. Most of them accepted Islam in the prison. What does that tell you?

Islam is a very attractive religion for people that have criminal tendencies.

Islam allow criminals to view themselves as victims of a wrong system instead of taking responsibility for their negative actions or past. 90% of American Muslims are either convicted armed robbers, thieves, murderer or a gang leader. Islam allow them to exhibit their real personality without any iota of conscious.

Take a look at Mike Tyson, Muslim convert (now plant and sell cannabis), Malcom X (assassinated by his fellow nation of Islam member), Mohammed Ali (went to jail for civil disobedience), etc.

Locally, look at Asari Dokubo, a Muslim convert now a hardened criminal and a jihadist.

true2god:
The major reason Pope Benedict XVI was forced to stand down and resign was his conservative and occasional controversial views. He said Islam was spread with sword and that there is nothing Mohammed brought except tears, blood and sorrow.

Even if the Pope becomes a Muslim today it wont change nothing. In the 1960s high profile African-Americans such as Malcolm X, Elijah Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, etc, became Muslims yet less than 2% of African-americans are Muslims today. A high profile convert is only good for Islamic propaganda and nothing more.

usermane:
^^^^

How can a grown man, privileged to live in the developed world justify Hadith #8 as analogous to racist prejudice that excuses a white man who murdered a black man in US.?

For such reason, it can be really exhausting delving back and forth to address the inaccuracies that he prattles as refutations. Hence, my decision to sometimes let the sleeping dogs lie.

true2god:
Do you still believe that Pope Benedict XVI has 'reverted' to Islam? Will you condemn your mosques and madrasas for spreading lies?

true2god:
Gullible Muslims; easy to scam. Igbo hustlers scamming you guys big time; when will you learn?

You are shifting goal post bro. You lied that former Pope Benedict had become a Muslim I bursted your lies and you pretended you never saw my response.

You also claimed that many Christians are turning atheist and I gave you the Saudi example you pretended you never saw it. Please help me respond to your Muslim brothers turning atheist and are being called terrorist for that. In Islam atheism = terrorism, can you see Islamic mind?

Did Uthman ibn Affan burn the Quran or not? Did Mohammed compile the Quran by himself before his death, as a single book as being used today? I know you won't respond.

OK, I have also become a muslim, please open my own bank account as well. I wanna start getting credit alert ASAP; man must wack.

true2god:
It is never a crime to be an atheist in the Christian world. Atheism, though I don't subscribe to it, is not a physical or social threat to any society. God has given everyone a divine right to 'freedom of conscious and belief'.

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plainbibletruth:
Does the koran have any context?

No one is saying that Christians have no rule whatsoever. Man, where do you get your deductions from?


Again, the Christian is under the New Covenant!

But the koran acknowledged the gospels of which the book of Luke is one.

Btw, Mohamed NEVER wrote the koran himself, did he?

And all the hadiths you use but are not too sure about were also not written by Mohamed; were they?

Hkana:
Yes. You're right.

I think there are a lot of Muslims who can make enlightening posts on a variety of topics but are held back because of questions such as "where is the evidence?" "who is your salaf on this?"

Sad state.

true2god:
You like making unrelated references, you are not a good student of research. However for the purpose of this discussion, I will always be of help to you.

Baptism was never instructed with a caveat for war and destruction, unlike the shahada. It quite funny that all the while you pretended as if you never saw the hadith I quoted with regards to the origin of the shahada. Anyway, let's compare Christian baptism with Islamic shahada;

Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

See the clause: 'go and make disciples (preach and no threat of war) of all nations'.

Now let us look at the Islamic shahada:

sahih Muslim 33:

It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah

Can you see the difference between Jesus' mandate and Mohammed's threat? How can you even compare the two instructions; one for peace and the second for war.

I know you will ignore as usual, is sahih Muslim a weak or fabricated hadith (Muslims' denial strategy)?

true2god:
[size=2pt]Yes because over 90% of Muslims are ignorant of Islami and Islamic history. Over 80% Islamic source documents are codified in Arabic hence making it difficult for Muslims, and none Muslims alike, to understand the imperial nature of Islamic. The internet age is however unmasking and decoding Islamic 'coded' teachings which were, before now, hidden from the kafir.

Muslims are now on constant damage control mode after we non-muslims started reading and de-coding Islamic coded, and mafia-like, teachings and practices. Some 30-yrs ago all hadith from Bukhari and Muslim are sahih (authentic) but today the disingenuous Muslims have categorized their so-called sahih hadith' into:

1. Strong hadith

2. Weak Hadith

3. Fabricated hadith.

Ironically, all these 'classes' of hadith are in the same book called sahih (authentic) Bukhari or sahih Muslim. What a shame!

As for sirah rasool allahh, some Muslims, especially non-arab Muslims are in a denial mode. Islamic books must be rejected; the honour of the apostle of allahh must be protected. Muslims are also denying Islamic history by Altabari. We are getting there, the next the Muslims will reject is the Qur'an itself (the poster face of Islam). [/size]

plainbibletruth:
Again, for all those verses you quoted look at the CONTEXT!

Btw, why do you think that because those verses are in the OT, that Islam is justified? That's hardly any reasonable way of proving a point.

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. Didn't you see it there? He said he came to fulfil it and he did. The Christian is therefore no longer under the Law; that is the plain truth.

That is why the Bible declared that: "Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." Romans 10:4.

He then set up the New Covenant.
"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." Luke 22:20.

He also became the intermediary between mankind and God:
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time."

Because he ALONE satisfied God:
"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:10

WORDWORLD:
Can you see the PRIMORDIAL WISDOM of the days of old?! There are a THOUSAND AND ONE reasons why the concept of VIRGINITY is designed to play a core role in saving the society from such NONSENSE as this.

THESE WOMAN CAN'T EVEN TELL WHO THE FATHER OF HER CHILD IS. YET THE FOOL OF THE HUSBAND IS FIGHTING TO SAVE HIS MARRIAGE UPON WHAT FOUNDATION REALLY?

Bro, there are worse stories than this that are disturbingly true.

It's not an ABSOLUTE that a VIRGIN will remain CHASTE through out marriage. But the PROBABILITY that most would is very much on the highest of percentage.

Imagine an unborn innocent child's life already subjected to such a drama courtesy of a choice of IRRESPONSIBILITY.

Hmmmm I can understand why the husband sees no big deal as to his wife's sexual affair with her ex. ITS A WAY OF LIFE! ITS CALLED CARNAL CULTURE.

I hope that in the nearest future. DNA test would be made compulsory during pregnancy as to ascertain the real father of a child. This measure will at least put caution and narrow down such PESTILENCE NONSENSE.

Imagine she had sex with her Ex on 7th and 9th. She couldn't even call to mind her intimacy with her husband on the 8th.

But then, to have come out to tell her husband about such a possibility that the baby might not be his, is truely a brave thing at such an early stage.

Empiree check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlM0mE01p5M

gentlesilver:
Sure! Row 9/from bottom. The 19th figure is '8’.

Hkana:
What are your thoughts on Muharram being the first month of the Islamic year?

Empiree
Albaqir.

I'm sure Egbon Empire.e would be like "why is this guy asking "weird" questions these days?"
Truth is, I thought about the Islamic year and I wondered why Muharram is taken as first month and not Rabbiul Awwal, since the Islamic year is reference to the Hijra. And from the little I know, Hijra was in Rabbiul Awwal and not Muharram.

Anyone else who knows the story should feel free to contribute to the discourse.

usermane:
Yes.



Qur'an 2:178 covers this subject. Never specifying the religious affiliation of the killer or the killed. Now, even if the Qur'an is silent on a Muslim that kills a non-Muslim, it is only justice and egalitarian that the death penalty is an option for such a Muslim.

MightySparrow:
I think the topic should be: What Muslims Should Know About Islam.

usermane:
Well, nothing I can say about this anymore. I have explained why your view won't work, and folks like lexiconkabeer will remain.