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 Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:04am On Sep 25, 2018 |
Usermane, perhaps there are "ahadith" these folks followed too that instructed them to carry out these acts in their traditional beliefs  
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| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:57am On Sep 25, 2018 |
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| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:55am On Sep 25, 2018 |
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| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:52am On Sep 25, 2018 |
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| Properties › Re: Man Baths And Swims In His Flooded House (Photos) by Empiree: 3:25am On Sep 25, 2018 |
if you are sad or going through depression, just logon nairaland and read through the comments.  Your problems solved  |
| Islam › Re: Hijrah 1440AH: Ruling On Offering Congratulations At The Beginning Of The Year by Empiree: 11:05pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
IbnAbdullah1:This is type of celebration am talking about. I am not talking about firecrackers like gregorian new year does. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvi1xtGlWtc |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 6:34pm On Sep 24, 2018*. Modified: 5:39pm On Oct 17, 2018 |
I said before that never ever forget whoever helped you in life when you get to the top. Mr. A travelled to USA in 1997 as i said earlier. Since then he didnt call my sheikh. My Sheikh and ruhaniya helped this man a lot when he used to work at Union Bank earning 5000 naira per amount. They helped him and he quit his job to travel with his wife and daughter. Since he travelled up until we met in 2010 he could not secure his green card (permanent residence status). He did submit application and it was approved but anytime govt sent green card to him, it was always lost. There is nothing wrong with this technically. Govt will assume it was lost in the mail and they would mail another one. But when green card keeps getting lost in the mail, it becomes unusual and suspicion sets in followed by investigation. This is what happened to him. He kept telling them he didnt receive him card in the mail, and govt has trust in their poster system. How could something keeps getting lost in the mail like that?. They investigated and traced those lost mails but they could not find anything. I don't know how many times they sent him green cards but govt got tired of his last request for lost or stolen card and they deemed that suspicious and denied his entire application including denier of green card itself. This happened between 2004 to 2010. Note that Mr. A came to Nigeria for the first time since he left shore of nigeria in 2004. But he didnt visit my sheikh. His problem at that time was not something he paid attention to. Mr. A told me himself that he was rich. He was the breadwinner of his entire family up to 2005. That was when he acquired properties in Brooklyn and Queens and rented them. He was just making money left and right but he failed he promises to my sheikh. I do not know what he promised him financially or others. I did not know what's between them. I do no that, for some reason, my sheikh likes this man a lot. He talks everything around him. So Mr. A, lived with me between September 2014 up to Nigeria presidential election in 2015. Bear in mind that when he first came to my house in 2010, he had pacemaker on his chest by doctor to show me that he is going through stress. But doctor didnt really see anything after various x-ray and CT scans. It was ruhaniya who later operated his chest in 2012. He said he can go to doctor a million times they no gonna find anything. In case some wonder how much ruhaniya got paid to do that?. Ruhaniyun are not humans, therefore, this ruhaniya didnt get paid. His pleasure is that you take care of the one who takes care of you. Thats how he gets paid. Anyways, Mr. A didnt tell my sheikh that he's living with me and my sheikh didnt tell me anything about his situation either until i confirmed from him. He keeps client's secrets unless otherwise. I felt bad for him bcus he slept at different places. This is a man who was once a millionaire by nigeria's standard. And now he's homeless in America and he doesn't have a house of his own in Nigeria either, but he has a big land somewhere in Ijebu area. He has his own home in New York but he could not sleep there, Subhanallah. He said it got worse one time that he decided to leave new york and sleep in chicago hotel and returned the following day just to get off madness in his house. What he didnt understand was that he was under those people's grip (microscope). They see his activities through the mirror from Nigeria. Allahu Akbar. When I confirmed his story from my Sheikh, he said "dont mind him, When he was enjoying himself and lavishing money he didnt remember me. He never called since he left nigeria". My sheikh said that bcus Allah wanted a breakthrough for Mr. A, that he had a dream about Mr. A sometimes in 2010 before he resurfaced. That, in his dream, his saw him clearly in tears and sadness on his face. But there is no way to reach out to him. Fortunately, it was that week Mr. A called him first time in 13 years when his problem reached its climax. Ofcourse he didnt just relax all these years. He fought for his life by contacting people who knew ritualists in nija (Kogi state) to help him including his pastor in NY and backing of his aged mother's prayers. These helped him sustained till he decided to contact my sheikh in 2010. He actually travelled to Nigeria in 2010 just like he did in 2004. But this time, his problem was high. He was broke already and he reached out to his elder brother who also was well known to my sheikh. It was his brother who reminded him of my sheikh. He said why didn't you contact Alhaji that helped you in the 90s before you travelled?. According to Mr. A, he lost his contact (landline). Remember there was no cell phones that time. This is why i didnt blame him. But then, he was still guilty because he didnt call landline since 1998. This is why my sheikh said "don't mind him. he thought i would charge him money was the reason he snubbed me". Now he came back when he can't handle his problems". Meanwhile, my sheikh knew his mother in-law very well. He once pleaded to her back in the 90s to leave her son-in-law alone. Next, i will talk about their demands. What the occult people wanted from Mr. A. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Two Gods Of Islam. by Empiree: 3:33pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
malvisguy212:"Sheikh" Malvis . When did you become mufassir?. . There are 5(five) daily salat in the Qur'an |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 12:35am On Sep 24, 2018*. Modified: 6:35pm On Sep 24, 2018 |
For 2 years, between mid-2012 and July 2014, i didnt speak to him. I didnt see him either. He called me but i didnt answer and he stopped calling because he did something that got me upset early 2012. Not bcus he owes me money. Not at all. Let me quickly remind you that he is christian and his entire family or most of his family. You know in yorubaland, tribe comes before religion. So sometimes you can't really tell religion differences. That's how close we are. I would rate him 50% for his religiousness. He believes in power of islam that's why he sticks to us. He also has a Nigerian pastor (cele) in New York who prayed for him since 2004 when his problem started. Fast forward, i was with a friend of mine one night and suddenly his call came in around August 2014. I answered this time. And he realized he messed up. Asked me if i didnt answer his calls for 2 years bcus of money he borrowed in 2010?. I never for once took that seriously. I trusted him and i believed he would repay me. That was not the issue. So i didnt answer his question. I knew he called me for a reason. I was aware of his problems 2 years earlier but not to the level of this spiritual warfare madness. I didnt know that, within 2 years we lost contact, he faced hell on earth. At the time he called he was still facing hell but it subsided. He was still homeless. He was sleeping from one place to another. His house in Brooklyn was hell on earth. My Sheikh actually told him to sell the house. Crazy and madness spiritual sh!t are in that same house of his i went. He can't even step there one bit without my company. Only his wife and sometimes his daughter when she doesn't feel like staying in hostel she comes there, and his sister-in-laws. It was terrible. Thats why he called me to live at my house. He said they must not know his whereabout. He changed his mailing address to mine. His situation was terribly worst than 2 years before. Those people didnt give up one bit. They made sure they shut down his car auction business. Auction company doesn't recognise him anymore, even though he is standing in their presence and presented his details. Bank debited his account for money he didnt owe them. I am talking about thousands of dollars of negative balance in his bank account and bank gave no reason for this. He showed me his bank statement. He tried to get his bank to explain how this happened but bank never provided clear answer. He took them to court but court just docketed his case. Those "people" are mad . Who are they. They are his IN-LAWS (mother and grandmother and his wife). They really infiltrated his life. I am never allowing mother-in-law in my house . They are christians. They are christians in zahir but they are witches in batin. You get it?. His mother in-law and grandmother in law are in to occult business. I used to think this thing was fairy tale in Yoruba movies. It is real. Why do you think hadith speaks about "al-‘ayn (translated as the evil eye)"?. Plus they have access to travel back and forth between Nigeria and America all the time. And when they come to USA, they stayed at his house in Brooklyn. So you can see they really got him really good. Why are they after him?. They wanted him to be part of their occult business. "Osho" of their group. 4 Likes |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 9:13pm On Sep 23, 2018*. Modified: 3:53am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Mr. A is a "family friend" known to me personally since 1992. He used to come as client until he became so frequent and even helped in house chores. Spent all day sometimes and he was a banker in SW. Married and had a small girl in 1994. That was his only child. Even though it was by Allah's permission, the "people" never made it possible for him to bear another child nor allowed him to marry another wife. His wife was average submissive Nigerian woman until they travelled to US in 1997. That was the last time i saw him until 2010 in New York when he came to my house. I didnt even know he existed prior to that. His was still great woman until probably 2004 when problem started according to him. People please, my quick advise for myself and others. Always appreciate people who helped you in life. Never forget them. Dont remember them only when you have problems. This is exactly what happened to Mr. A. He never called since he travelled. Maybe he called few times shortly after landing in US and cut off afterwards. Neither my sheikh nor alfas that helped him heard from him since at least 1998. As much as i like to eschew ruhaniya activities, there is no way i will not talk about him later in this narration. Ruhaniya actually helped Mr. A throughout the 90s since Mr. A is known to us. For some reason, ruhaniya loved this man so much. I don't understand that love. He helped him a lot through my sheikh. He didnt hesitate once my sheikh mentioned him. He was the one who gave my sheikh dua we did for Mr. A back then. Anyways, we didnt hear anything about Mr. A since 1998. In summer of 2010, to my surprise, I got a call from Mr. A in New York. I recognized his voice right away after 13 years. He introduced himself and I remembered that day i was going home from work when his call came in. So he came to my house that week. There is a yoruba proverb that goes like this: "ti nkan ko ba le eyan, eyan a le nkan". Please kindly correct my proverb in case i got it wrong. I knew someone gave him my number and he didnt hesitate that my sheikh gave it to him. He didnt know i was in New York. It was then he started narrating stuff to me but he only narrated his struggles to me without given details. He told me he slept in buses, on the streets, train stations, like homeless man. So he came to my house very often for 2 years (until April 2012) when i cut him off due to being too nosy Within that time, there was dua session for him from back home. He would stay at my house making dua together and simultaneously with alfas back home. I asked him why he could not sleep at his own house?. He barely answered. He was car auction dealer. He was still doing this that time but very limited. The "people" screwed him up. He sends cars to Nigeria to sell. He owned few real estate in Brooklyn and Queens. He took me to his house in Brooklyn. I noticed he was quick to get in and get out I met his wife at the door and she recognised me instantly after 13 years. "omo alhaji, so ilu yi lewa. Aku ojo meta". She said. I went downstairs and met his only daughter. She doesnt recognize me obviously. I thought he must have had more children but to my surprise his wife told me that it is still the same girl they had together. I tried to figure out what's happening?. I read body language of both sides and i could smell something wasn't right. So we left his house. Bros, I swear ogun nbe faah. All types of madness that we cannot see with our external eyes. They made his life miserable. You will get to know who are "they" as this story progresses. 3 Likes |
| Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 7:24pm On Sep 23, 2018 |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 6:32pm On Sep 23, 2018*. Modified: 10:03am On Sep 24, 2018 |
Rapt Mood Sustained Yes, this is quite fascinating. I will not revealed any identifying information of the main subject (their target who live in New York City) because this incident happened not too long ago. I will address him as Mr. A throughout the narration. Before that, let me implore our dear readers, brothers and sisters, to please return to islamic spirituality. You can not detach from it especially in Nigerian society. And also don't go overboard by doing silly things in the name of tasawwuf. Be moderate. For clarity, Sufism is the same as (tasawwuf, Ihsan, Zuhd etc). Today, we have many people who have abused Sufism by doing heretic things to the point that halal and haram activities are blurred. Al-Malik said “Whoever learns Fiqh (jurisprudence) without being initiated into Tasawwuf falls into perversion. And anyone who initiates Tasawwuf without being initiated into Fiqh falls into heresy. Whoever combines the two reaches the Truth.” Haqaiq an at-tasawwuf, By Abd-Al-Qadir Isa. Can you imagine a guy, yes a guy. I called him a guy because he doesnt fit the position of alim. I watched him few days ago and i cannot but say "inna lillah waina ilayhi raji'un". He is a self proclaimed "sheikh" and he delivered very troubling lecture while surrounded by ignorant muslims. It is pointless mentioning his name. He is not recognized anyway. So he is irrelevant. People need to watch out of his type of lectures because this fitna will not stop. Sheikh Adam(ra) and many of those shuyukh and baba prayed not to witness current generation. I remembered they said this. We are now living in the age of fitan. This guy in his lecture preached that Muslims should stop calling these people elebo (mushrikun): Egungun worshippers, alagemo worshippers, Osun worshippers, alawo worshippers, Oro worshippers etc. He claims these are "esin abalaye" and that when Adam(as) was on earth, there were no mosques and churches, therefore those things are esin abalaye bcus they use ewe ati egbo. He said ewe ati egbo are natural herbs for all humans. So how could you call them elebo when muslims and christians use these too?. He said therefore, there is no elebo on this planet today. Tittle of his lecture was "Oogun ki se ebo". I agree. It is true that not all Oogun are ebo (shirk). Ewe ati egbo are meant for all humans. I have no problem with these either. But then, he went further to utter clear cut words of shirk and he said they are just names of messengers of Ifa. They are Obatala, Ogun, Esu etc. That nothing wrong invoking them in ofo (incantation). He actually uttered incartation involving series of words of shirk while at the same time praising Allah and His messenger. He said there is nothing wrong attending egungun and the likes of such festivals. Clearly, his message go against those baba in the past who preached against muslim joining egungun, eyo, osun, agemo festivals. I recalled lecture of Sheikh Zughul (ra) warning muslims from participating in Egungun and Eyo festivals. You could also recall Islamic song by Wasiu Sodiq condemning muslims joining Eyo and Egungun festivals. So this guy is either kafir parading himself a muslim or he is a muslim but he is confused. I can't imagine he said Adam brought esin abalaye that alawo do today. So watch out for this type of people. They are dajjahilun of this Ummah. So consider the words of Imam Malik, I said in my previous post that whoever involves in practices that are in harmony with islam but are not generally acceptable by majority must be grounded in figh first. I studied figh at various local madrasat and modern colleges to the best of my ability. Halal, Haram and gray area must be distinctive to muslim. Figh is zahir while tasawwuf is batin. They are both valid islamically but figh comes first. Figh is sharia. We must always be mindful of it. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 5:31pm On Sep 23, 2018 |
Okay, you can not answer my question. This is the end of my contributions in this thread. You have a great. true2god:For record, these are the questions: Empiree: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 4:04pm On Sep 23, 2018 |
[quote author=true2god post=71457329][s]The judeo-christian world never advocated terror against non-Christians the way Mohammed and allahh did (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220). We never heard of Christian terrorist but Islamic terror or Muslim terrorist (this is because Muslim god promotes terror). Back to your question, you will agree with me that Jesus never owned, bought or sold slaves (while Mohammed owned, bought and sold slaves). Jesus did not come as a political or military leader. He came to preach peace, righteousness and the coming God's kingdom. He said: 'my kingdom is not of this world'. Besides, even Christians were taken slaves and prisoners in the hand of the Roman emperor Nero. At the 1st century church, Christianity was viewed as a cult that must be destroyed by the colonial Roman govt which occupied Israel at that time. Christians do not have the military and political power to create that order. What about when the Romanic power accepted Christianity, why didn't they stop it? That's not a question I can answer. It was a bad practice and remains bad thing. Remember, almost in all part of the world slavery was practiced. The Arabs, the Jews and the Byzantine practiced slavery in one form and another. It only became a bigger problem when Islam gave a great religious legitimacy to slavery. Mohammed and his sahabas cemented slavery (buying and selling of slaves and invoking allahh in the process). Your attempt at shifting Mohammed's problems/evil to Christians is very ridiculous. So you want to blame Jesus for Mohammed's slavery? Well I have heard it over and over again that Muslims don't accept their mistakes, they rather look for who to blame for their sins/errors. You just prove Islamic critics right.[/s] The new testament was not written to promote or encourage slavery, [s]the way the hadith and the sirah were written to encourage and promote slavery.[/s] Are you ok with slavery just as your prophet saw nothing wrong with it? Why are you Muslims always looking for cheap points to attack Christianity?Sir, I'm gonna ask you for the last time before I completely UNFOLLOW this thread due to your insincerity. QUESTION: Why did Judeo-christian terrorists not end slavery before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?. ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS, Mr. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John EXISTED BETWEEN JESUS & MUHAMMAD (peace be upon them). This was 600yrs in between. For 600years before Muhammad, Christianity was there. So why did Paul(Saul) and numerous Christians for 600years did not document anything about slavery in your New Testament?. This is very suspicious. If you can not answer it, just be sincere by saying "I don't know". For the fact that Christianity existed for 600yrs before MUHAMMAD, and slavery was alive for 6 decades during those Times. Six Good Decades. How the heck Christianity missed that?. Are you kidding me?. If you are saying Jesus came to preach peace and he had no concern with slavery in his time, you are accusing him of shunning INJUSTICE. Yet, he beat the heck out of the Jews in the Temple for henious sin at the temple?. Every country has history. They don't skip iota. Why did slavery disappears in NT for 600yrs?. That's my question. |
| Islam › Re: Oro Worshippers Attack Muslims In Iseyin, Oyo State (viewer discretion). by Empiree: 3:11pm On Sep 23, 2018 |
La Hawla walaquwata ila bilah Pathetic |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 11:10am On Sep 23, 2018 |
true2god:answer my questions. Why did Judeo-christian terrorists not end slavery before the advent of Prophet Muhammad (saw)?. And why did your New Testament made no reference to slavery? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 4:56am On Sep 23, 2018 |
true2god:Liar. Abu Bakr (ra) bought Bilal(ra) from Jewish/pagan arab slave traders. And in turn, Bilal was freed and became great scholar in islamic history. Jews preceded pagan arabs in keeping slaves. Slavery existed before prophet muhammad or not?. Jews and christians preceded our prophet or not?. If both preceded our prophet, and it is well known that slavery thrived in in the time of Jews and also slavery was well alive between the reign of Jesus and before the advent of prophet Muhammad(p), how come your new testament barely made reference to slavery while it is as clear as daylight slavery existed in the time of Jesus?. Why did your chronological Gospels skipped this important historic event?. Why did the Jews and christians not end slavery until our prophet(saw) came to deal with mess you people created?. It is so suspicious that New Testament skipped 95% of slave trade history. This is called expungement. This is one of the many reasons to believe your bible was distorted 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:22pm On Sep 22, 2018 |
Will commence second narration in the coming week, In Sha Allah. |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:14pm On Sep 22, 2018*. Modified: 4:08pm On Sep 22, 2018 |
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| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 11:45am On Sep 22, 2018 |
LadunaI:no worries. He's simply smart enough. And I think I told you about a guy in similar position who kinda messed up. But he was a year ahead of my brother on call to bar. Well may Allah make his way easy too. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 11:41am On Sep 22, 2018 |
plainbibletruth:see hypocrite twisting obvious verse. The verse clearly talks about killing those who dishonor their parents. Yet you accused me of picking what suits me while you did the same to Quran and hadith. The verse said without mincing words. KILL THOSE WHO DISHONOR PARENTS. I see again your insincerity. That's why this is my last reply. You are very dishonest and I unfollow this thread.Between this message was not for you. Why did you have to be a mouthpiece for that lazy guy hiding behind you. Are you being insecure. Again, to school you: Christianity did not start UNTIL after Jesus paid for mankind's sin on the cross. So, the New Covenant was made possible because of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. The New Covenant superceeds the Old.Good. Jesus didn't preach Christianity. Christianity started AFTER him as you rightly said. That means Christianity is opinion of group of people. It is innovated religion. That's why there is no GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS. This alone proves that your entire Bible has nothing to do with Jesus including the so called "new covenant" that doesn't exist and the so called PAID FOR YOUR SIN. It is all scam. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John scammed you guys. Have a nice day |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 11:25am On Sep 22, 2018 |
olaade21:lol , that's a family member in charge of the such sold. I think I indicated that. U may got my designated email for this forum Craigm 79GMAIL |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 3:38am On Sep 22, 2018 |
OLUWABIG:Here we can see that Jesus in the Bible obeyed and followed Old Testament. Not only did he followed Old rules but he legislated this rule for the Christians to follow. This case study is about "Refusing to Wash His Hands" This is apparently why Jesus was a carpenter and didn’t work in the service industry. From Matthew 15: Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!” Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ They are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Plainbibletruth said Law of killings in the Bible is Old Testament. That Christians don't have to follow it. How about this capital punishment in New Testament to kill whoever curses parent?. You hypocrites. Yes, the Pharisees threw a little shade at Jesus for not washing his hands before dinner, and Jesus immediately retorted with the fact that they weren’t killing their unruly children, like the Old Testament had explicitly ordered. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 3:26am On Sep 22, 2018 |
OLUWABIG:Another anger management of your Jesus according to your Bible, Jesus killed a tree. The most baffling Jesus-related moment in the New Testament is unquestionably when the Son of God found himself a touch peckish while he was traveling. From Mark 11: The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree,“May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it. You are reading this correctly: Jesus killed a tree. He was hungry, the fig tree had no fruit, and Jesus was so pissed off at this he cursed the tree, and it died. Now, there are only two explanations for the tree not having fruit: 1) the weather had been bad, possibly from lack of rain, which prevented the tree from bearing fruit. This would have been totally God’s fault. The other option is crazier: 2) Figs just weren’t in season. So the tree was only obeying the natural rules that God had set, and Jesus, throwing a very uncharacteristic temper tantrum, murdered the tree for not somehow bending the rules. Please note that at this point in the book of Matthew, Jesus had already performed several miracles including restoring sight to the blind, restoring the ability to speak to the mute and, making money appear in fish. So it stands to reason he could have made the tree produce fruit if he’d wanted to… but instead, he really wanted to kill the tree. Maybe the tree was a sinner of some kind? You guys portrayed you Jesus as peaceful person. We read in your bible how he displayed his aggression. Why did he throw tantrum at fig tree. This is rhetorical question. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 3:16am On Sep 22, 2018 |
OLUWABIG:Let's spice it up in another dimension of speech. The incident at the Temple is better addressed as "Going on a Rampage". This is more factual Perhaps the most famous of Jesus’ anger issues occurred when he came across a temple to his dad, and found it full of moneylenders and animal-sellers. Jesus was furious at this sacrilege, but he didn’t just get mad—he effectively Hulked out, flipping over tables and knocking over chairs. And then he stood guard at the door, to make sure no more jerks came in on non-worshipping business. As for as reasons for Jesus to be angry go, this is a solid one, but admittedly it doesn’t seem much in line with the “turn the other cheek” and “love your enemies” guy. (Matthew 21:12-13). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 2:00am On Sep 22, 2018 |
OLUWABIG:I don't recall ever having conversation with you nor did i direct my response to you. But since you chose to stick your nose, here is how Jesus respond to his supposed enemies and criminals at the temple. Why did he not leave them alone peacefully. Why did he has to resort to aggression to pass his message across? Now, let's review. We will take Jesus's response to money changers at the temple as a case study. We read how Jesus violently turned the table and beat the hell out of the Jews. In Gospel Of John, we read about "setting the stage" at the Temple. Verses 13–14 set the stage for Jesus’ action. “The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there.” So inside the temple court, a place meant for prayer and other acts of worship, there were pens of oxen and sheep, and cages of pigeons and sellers sitting around them waiting to make a transaction, and others who were prepared to exchange a pilgrim’s money into the right currency so that they could make a purchase. The outward reason for this set up was probably that the law required sacrifices of oxen and sheep and pigeons, and many worshippers would have come a long way and would not have brought their sacrifice with them. So this made the animals readily available for purchase. You could say it was the loving thing to do. Make the purchase convenient. Jesus’ Response Now what is Jesus’ response when he saw this? Verses 15–16: And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; do not make my Father’s house a house of trade.” Jesus obviously did not approve of what he saw. Why not? What was the problem?. You can see from the description from the Bible verses that if Jesus had a gun or sword, he would have done worst damage and kill relatively peace loving Jewish gathering changing money. How is changing money deserved been rough handled and whipped by Jesus?. This is act of violence Jesus espoused. As you can see from the portrait, see how Jesus messed up and turned peaceful temple to wrestlemania ring?
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| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 11:10pm On Sep 21, 2018 |
plainbibletruth:Hopefully this is probably my last reply to you. You said he (saw) instigated his enemies?. When he declared he's Prophet and messanger of God, the same way Prophets before him like Jesus and Moses declared theirs, Meccans rejected him just like they rejected Jesus and Moses. Can you tell us how the Jews treated Jesus and Moses. Did Jews not disobeyed Jesus and threatened his life. This are rhetorical questions. I don't need answer from you. We have answers. Last rhetorical question is, is declaring oneself God's Prophet to guide the people an act of instigation and aggression. You don't need to answer this either. Mohamed betrayed the hospitality he received from the people of Yathrib (Medina). He formed an army there and began to raid those around him. No people first sent an army against Mohamed. He INITIATED ALL the raids and the wars he fought.when the prophet was chased out of Mecca and migrated to Medina, yes, he was welcomed with hospitality by the Ansar, NOT the Jews. The Jews became his number one enemies in Medina after it was clear they rejected him just like they rejected Jesus. So they now planned to kill the prophet. That's the beginning of their end. Just like they decided to kill Jesus after it was clear they rejected him. And according to your bible, they nailed him on the cross and killed him. So God would not allow repeat of that - so God ordered prophet muhammad to defend himself. In the process, pagan Arabs allied with the Jews and collectively waged wars on muslims. Hadith you quoted @underlined, was the same thing Jesus said in Luke 19:27 I don't need your reply after this cus, you aren't here to reason beyond your irrational hatred and islamophobism. You Have A Good Night |
| Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:19pm On Sep 21, 2018 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: WHAT CHRISTIANS MUST KNOW ABOUT ISLAM by Empiree: 8:52pm On Sep 21, 2018 |
plainbibletruth:Did prophet Muhammad's enemies have armies or not?. Answer this. |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 8:14pm On Sep 21, 2018*. Modified: 11:21am On Sep 22, 2018 |
LadunaI:Oh wow, you infiltrated that. Was really sick that day. I dared the weather and i paid the price. That was Sept (fall) last yr and i felt sad for myself. Yes, that his wedding pictures with his wife from TX. She moved to NY now. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 6:13pm On Sep 21, 2018 |
LadunaI:Oh i see.. That's not me. It is my brother i was talking about here last year. But i was there at his bar ceremonies taking those pictures of him. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: ...... by Empiree: 5:38pm On Sep 21, 2018 |
***modified*** You probably mistook me for my brother last year. He's a lawyer. Remember I was saying something about him last year. |
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