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daviesblaze:
like seriously, i heard the rumour but was not sure if it was true. what's the title.

If he or any other do not provide evidence, you are at your own risk. Even if such song does exist and the wordings are outrageous, how is that sheikh's problem?. We know there are extreme people in everything. People are difficult to control. Like you said, it is a rumour until you actually get it and read it.

These guys here have made similar claim in the past on this plaform that the sheikh claimed to have 70 thusand pockets. Each pockets has thousands pockets and those pockets also have hundrends and thousands of sub pockets and he would place muslims in those pocket to enter paradise.

When i asked for evidence, the brother did provide the "evidence" by given name of the book and page. Guess what, that crap doesnt exist. He copied it from a saudi man online. I searched for tijaniyah and sheik's fan and asked them but they were just shaking their head like who made this up . They later told me to be careful of the book bcus enemies of the sheikh have printed counteits of the book called jawahir.

See, you know why these guys get this info?. On the internet from anti tijjaniya group. One of them is Arabic guy posting rubbish on the net and he doesn't even understand what he posted.

A guy like them posted a comment weeks ago in a thread. He made unfounded claim and i asked for evidence?. He never showed up since then. I screenshot his comment and showed tijaniyah people. Please read the attached.

This is how they go around causing problems. See the guy's reply?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mKRPtlTz5E

Hkana:
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/shittu14/shaykh-bulalas-biography

Empi.ree

Read everything. Pretty much same as 's. 's more comprehensive in the sense that he added pictures and talks about graves.

Jamo90:
Please send me a link to the video. There are lots of his videos on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ISoPc8VBZs

daviesblaze:
thanks for the head up. but you also do need to take it easy. no war has ever been resolved with violence

Oh i just checked. I didnt even know you are the op. Thought you are just random commenter

Originakalokalo:
You will know the Truth and the truth shall set you free.

Jesus is the truth.

Freedom from bondage comes by knowing Jesus.

Why are you wailing in a wilderness (a faceless forum) instead of opening challenge to ACADIP group face to face?

Rashduct4luv:
Why would a homo sapien climb a street light pole just to seek barakah from a supposed incarnation of Niyaas?

And how is this action of some low lives concern the sheikh himself?. Christians are doing opposite of Jesus doctrine. Jesus is responsible for their actions?. Where is your brain if not filled with hatred?

OLAADEGBU:
Oh, is it the name Jesus giving you problems? Then I repeat it again. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus Christ is Lord!

Alright you have shifted goal post. I am sure you understood my point. Goodluck in your hypocrisy

daviesblaze:
@Empir.ee. Sorry bro. but firstly, am not a journalist. and secondly what is the need for nairaland if not get and share information. your speech is really filled with venom niggi. you do need to take it easy

You are very right to say my speech is filled with venom bcus those guys commenting on this thread i know them very well. They have irrational hatred for the man named Sheikh Ibrahim Inyass(ra). Search for the other threads and you will see what i talking about.

Lastly, you said you aren't journalist, you don't need to be certified before you are. Every individual seeking info is a journalist of some sort

OLAADEGBU:
English language remains the Lingua Franca of Nigerians either you like it or not and until that changes no one should impose Arabic language on all Nigerians, whoever chooses to learn it has the perfect right to learn it but don't impose it on the rest of us. And if you still insist that Arabic should be on the national currency then you have no right to complain that a police truck is displaying an emblem of Christ.

Why are you insecure though?. This was never about language. You admitted english was imposed on you where you had no choice. Arabic is a language as well. But here we talking about religion on govt institution. "Jesus is God" written on police vehicle. Police vehicle is official not for religious propaganda. English is written everywhere in nigeria and i have no problem with that neither do i have problem with Arabic language. Arabic written on naira note is english word for the same note not religious.

So i ask you again why is religious connotation written on official vehicle (police)?

Jamo90:
Oniwasi Agbaye talked about Sheikh Bulala in this video. You may start from 46 minutes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5h0npB1IA0

Sheikh Daud Alfa nla talked about Sheikh shasili Sambo and other past shuyuks. He really knows a lot about Spirituality. I don't usually watch this Sheikh's video but now I admit : Sheikh Alfa nla is a waliyy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNbwpehVqQ


Haba Empiree, You really exposed the esoteric knowledge ikupakuti once posted and later deleted. Lol.

I have observed that there is always a guest reading this thread all the time. Ikupakuti if you are reading this, you better come online before we send Joint Task Force to fish you out. You can't just go offline as if you don't have a responsibility here. Lol

lol. No worries. He will be here eventually. I have watched that of oniwasiagbaye and sasili below yrs back (ra). So who is us in 21 century to condemn those 20th century baba. We know they aren't perfect.

We don't need to be reminded that. Lol

Ikupakuti, your attention is needed here faah

You should watch a lecture by sheik dauda Alfa Nla on tassawuf where he sat down wearing white agbada. It was there he talked about his visit to sheik Bulala

Hkana:
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/shittu14/shaykh-bulalas-biography

Empir.ee

that's it. Interesting

^^^

Sunnah ké





Anyways

OLAADEGBU:
The last time I checked English was the lingua franca of Nigerians, not Arabic.

And Arabic is not taught in nigerian schools?. And who imposed "lingua franca" on you, is it not the colonial masters who still enslaved your brain?

OLAADEGBU:
Is it meant for Arabic speaking people or Nigerians?

You are shifting goal post. Let me throw your question back at you. Is English language meant for english people (the British) or Nigerians?.

You said inscription on naira note is islamic. You have been unable to prove that. Is there not english inscription on naira note?. Are you english man?. Are nigerians english people?

daviesblaze:
asked a question, who is sheik inyass? still no answer, just insults and baseless argument . like seriously, so no one knew him well enough, but his posters can be found almost in all corners of the northern part of the country.

You think anyone ready to answer these nincompoops?. This is probably 4th thread about this man on Nairaland platform. They keep recycling themselves. A man doesn't necessarily talk about himself. If you are a seeker of fact, for a simple introduction of who he was, google is your friend. I really don't know what these people are trying to know about him. Is it his name, age, family background, his birth date, death date, religion etc?. All these information are readily available in public and easily accessible. So i don't understand what you guys are looking for.


There are many people, muslims and non muslims who don't know Michael Jackson, yet they have his pictures of him everywhere. They dont even know why they love him. So i ask, is there any difference in this instance or these idiots filled with hatred just wanna be foolish?.

So my question again is what exactly are you looking for about this man that you can not get on the internet?. If you are looking for specific info, then, this place is not appropriate for that. You need to look for his students, family, his contemporaries. Whatever they tell you is what it is. Thats called journalism. Not sit here and ask who he is. Journalists dont stay in one spot. They move around to gather information.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you also agree that Islamic inscriptions on the naira should be removed permanently?

what does "islamic inscription" on naira note translates to?. Is it islamic or Arabic language?

Your don't need to hide behind. "If It's It's True" in order to neutralize or acquit yourself from any guilt.

Your last phrases @underlined revealed your real intention

Rashduct4luv:
If it is true that Niyas claim to receive revelations from Allah after the Prophet (salallahu alyhi wa salam) then he is a liar and a non-Muslim.

Allaah Says (what means): {And indeed do the devils inspire their allies [among men] to dispute with you.} [Quran 6:121].

And you see them doing those white cloth nonsense in the mosque....Audhubillahi minash-shaytanir-Rajeem


Who is shayk Niyas?

I don't know him. I don't think i need to. He is nobody!

Besides, where is your evidence that the sheikh claimed he received revelation?. Even the bees receive revelation

Amazing! Police Vehicle used for Evangelism!

I am beginning to think that a debate should be arranged between the NSCIA and CAN on Islamization or Christianization of Nigeria!

Despite the S.O.P, Gideon's Bible shared in public schools, Christmas lights gracing public institutions, the several numbers of Christian holidays etc... we are still being accused of islamizing the country.


I was shock-prised when I received the picture of a police vehicle in Osogbo, Osun State. On the vehicle is a sticker that reads, "JESUS IS LORD, IN OSUN STATE AND NIGERIA". The number is NPF 9240C.

In a country where we have adherents of different religions, this is unacceptable! We call on the Federal Government to order the immediate removal of this sticker before لا إله إلا الله appears on the gate of Aso Villa or the traditionalists begin to write Ogun ye! Oooosun o! on government owned properties.

Just before someone says Muslims are intolerant. In cases like this, it is the tolerance of the doer that should be questioned. Our tolerance cannot continue to define their tolerance. If someone cannot recognize the fact that there are people with different religious beliefs, we wonder what tolerance does he expect. Moreso, tolerance should be given to those who can tolerate others.

Imagine لا إله إلا الله on this vehicle, it would be a political point against the president and as usual, CAN would start to wail!


I made a video on this, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorahVtlctg

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Amazing! Police Vehicle used for Evangelism!

I am beginning to think that a debate should be arranged between the NSCIA and CAN on Islamization or Christianization of Nigeria!

Despite the S.O.P, Gideon's Bible shared in public schools, Christmas lights gracing public institutions, the several numbers of Christian holidays etc... we are still being accused of islamizing the country.


I was shock-prised when I received the picture of a police vehicle in Osogbo, Osun State. On the vehicle is a sticker that reads, "JESUS IS LORD, IN OSUN STATE AND NIGERIA". The number is NPF 9240C.

In a country where we have adherents of different religions, this is unacceptable! We call on the Federal Government to order the immediate removal of this sticker before لا إله إلا الله appears on the gate of Aso Villa or the traditionalists begin to write Ogun ye! Oooosun o! on government owned properties.

Just before someone says Muslims are intolerant. In cases like this, it is the tolerance of the doer that should be questioned. Our tolerance cannot continue to define their tolerance. If someone cannot recognize the fact that there are people with different religious beliefs, we wonder what tolerance does he expect. Moreso, tolerance should be given to those who can tolerate others.

Imagine لا إله إلا الله on this vehicle, it would be a political point against the president and as usual, CAN would start to wail!


I made a video on this, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorahVtlctg

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Amazing! Police Vehicle used for Evangelism!

I am beginning to think that a debate should be arranged between the NSCIA and CAN on Islamization or Christianization of Nigeria!

Despite the S.O.P, Gideon's Bible shared in public schools, Christmas lights gracing public institutions, the several numbers of Christian holidays etc... we are still being accused of islamizing the country.


I was shock-prised when I received the picture of a police vehicle in Osogbo, Osun State. On the vehicle is a sticker that reads, "JESUS IS LORD, IN OSUN STATE AND NIGERIA". The number is NPF 9240C.

In a country where we have adherents of different religions, this is unacceptable! We call on the Federal Government to order the immediate removal of this sticker before لا إله إلا الله appears on the gate of Aso Villa or the traditionalists begin to write Ogun ye! Oooosun o! on government owned properties.

Just before someone says Muslims are intolerant. In cases like this, it is the tolerance of the doer that should be questioned. Our tolerance cannot continue to define their tolerance. If someone cannot recognize the fact that there are people with different religious beliefs, we wonder what tolerance does he expect. Moreso, tolerance should be given to those who can tolerate others.

Imagine لا إله إلا الله on this vehicle, it would be a political point against the president and as usual, CAN would start to wail!


I made a video on this, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorahVtlctg

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Amazing! Police Vehicle used for Evangelism!

I am beginning to think that a debate should be arranged between the NSCIA and CAN on Islamization or Christianization of Nigeria!

Despite the S.O.P, Gideon's Bible shared in public schools, Christmas lights gracing public institutions, the several numbers of Christian holidays etc... we are still being accused of islamizing the country.


I was shock-prised when I received the picture of a police vehicle in Osogbo, Osun State. On the vehicle is a sticker that reads, "JESUS IS LORD, IN OSUN STATE AND NIGERIA". The number is NPF 9240C.

In a country where we have adherents of different religions, this is unacceptable! We call on the Federal Government to order the immediate removal of this sticker before لا إله إلا الله appears on the gate of Aso Villa or the traditionalists begin to write Ogun ye! Oooosun o! on government owned properties.

Just before someone says Muslims are intolerant. In cases like this, it is the tolerance of the doer that should be questioned. Our tolerance cannot continue to define their tolerance. If someone cannot recognize the fact that there are people with different religious beliefs, we wonder what tolerance does he expect. Moreso, tolerance should be given to those who can tolerate others.

Imagine لا إله إلا الله on this vehicle, it would be a political point against the president and as usual, CAN would start to wail!


I made a video on this, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TorahVtlctg

Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

There is a USA cell number attached to his email he used to send me msg. I thought twice if he was in the US?. So I decided to call the number a week ago but looks like just a dummy number. It is 917 area code.

That's NYC area code. He will eventually resurface

Wow @mrolai.

There are no kids here. Even if he's "misleading" people, don't they have sense of their own?. Besides, who are "they" he misled?. Becareful with the way you said things that might not be fact.


The underling comment made by vex that albaqir called Assad evil was simply information available to him at the time. Did vexdacool and Dammy even agree with him when he made that statement?. They didn't. Instead they forced his "unconditional support" for Assad on him.


All of us go by infos available at the time we comment. And he has since then retracted his statement I believe. I didn't agree with Albaqir for saying Assad was evil and kafir simply bcus I see him as muslim.

What you, mrolai needs to ask vexdacool is that did he agree with Albaqir then?. This shows that albaqir never had unconditional support for either side just like me. But they hate him unconditionally because of his Shia background perhaps.

Today I sent him a video showing Assad walked around with his family without security personnel in his war-torn country without fear. After albaqir watched the video this is what he said (attached).


You can watch the video too. It is less than 5 mins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyQyKb_6zfI


Nigerian presidents and their officials don't even walk around like this without some sort of security.

iamgenius:
Apostates were to be killed whether treason is connected or not.

Greater Apostasy

Major apostasy is when a person embraces Islam and later leaves the religion while combining this with the political crime of treason. Legal punishment against such persons can only be carried out by a lawful authority according to due process, and it is not permissible for individual Muslims to carry out this punishment on their own.

The presence of political treason as a condition for punishment is made clear in an authentic tradition.

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, applied legal punishment in the following case:


وَالتَّارِكُ لِدِينِهِ الْمُفَارِقُ لِلْجَمَاعَةِ

The one who leaves his religion and separates from the community.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1676, Grade: Sahih

The mention of one who “separates from the community” (al-mufariq lil-jama’ah) indicates that a person is not legally punished simply for leaving Islam, but rather for high treason against the Muslim community. This phrase is associated in other traditions with rejecting loyalty to the Muslim authority.


Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

مَنْ خَلَعَ يَدًا مِنْ طَاعَةٍ لَقِيَ اللَّهَ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ لَا حُجَّةَ لَهُ وَمَنْ مَاتَ وَلَيْسَ فِي عُنُقِهِ بَيْعَةٌ مَاتَ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً

One who withdraws his obedience will meet Allah on the Day of Resurrection without an argument for him, and whoever dies without swearing allegiance will have died in ignorance.

Source: Sahih Muslim 1851, Grade: Sahih



In another version of this narration, the Prophet said:

وَمَنْ مَاتَ وَهُوَ مَفَارِقٌ لِلْجَمَاعَةِ فَإِنَّهُ يَمُوتُ مِيتَةً جَاهِلِيَّةً

Whoever dies while he has separated from the community (al-mufariq lil-jama’ah), then he has died in ignorance.

Source: Musnad Ahmad 5526, Grade: Sahih



Indeed, some of the companions interpreted the phrase this way and described an apostate as:

حَارَبَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ

One who wages war against Allah and His Messenger.

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 4334, Grade: Sahih



From these traditions we can infer that one who “separates from the community” refers to one who “withdraws his obedience,” a treasonous action, not simply leaving the community as the bedouin of Medina had done.

The connection between apostasy and treason is made even clearer in a tradition in which the Prophet describes the major apostate as:

رَجُلٌ يَخْرُجُ مِنَ الإِسْلاَمِ يُحَارِبُ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ وَرَسُولَهُ

A man who rejects Islam and wages war against Allah the Exalted and His Messenger.

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4048



The companions understood this type of apostasy to involve war and sedition against the community.

Ibn Abbas said:

فَمَنْ قَتَلَ وَأَفْسَدَ فِي الأَرْضِ وَحَارَبَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ثُمَّ لَحِقَ بِالْكُفَّارِ قَبْلَ أَنْ يُقْدَرَ عَلَيْهِ لَمْ يَمْنَعْهُ ذَلِكَ أَنْ يُقَامَ فِيهِ الْحَدُّ الَّذِي أَصَابَ

Whoever kills others, spreads corruption in the land, wages war against Allah and His Messenger, and joins the unbelievers before he is subdued, then there is nothing to prevent the legal punishment from being applied to him because of what he did.

Source: Sunan An-Nasa’i 4046, Grade: Sahih




Therefore, the death penalty was justified against such rebels who rejected lawful authority and committed treason against the community. This seemed to be implicitly understood by the early scholars, such as Imam Muslim who entitled a chapter of his Sahih:

بَاب حُكْمِ الْمُحَارِبِينَ وَالْمُرْتَدِينَ

The ruling of those who wage war and commit apostasy.

Lesser Apostasy

Minor apostasy is when someone embraces Islam and later leaves the religion peacefully without causing harm to the community. The sin is purely between the apostate and his Lord, and worldly punishments are not applied in this case.

Allah said:

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللَّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلَا لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلًا

Verily, those who believed and then disbelieved, then believed and then disbelieved and increased in disbelief, never will Allah forgive them nor will He guide them to a right way.

Surah An-Nisa 4:137



In this verse, Allah describes a person who believes, then disbelieves, then believes again, and then disbelieves again. This person committed apostasy twice and yet Allah did not prescribe a legal punishment for him.

An authentic tradition relates the story of a bedouin who embraced Islam but later cancelled his pledge of allegiance to the Prophet, yet no punishment was applied to him.



Jabir reported: A bedouin came to the Prophet and gave the pledge of allegiance for embracing Islam. The next day he came with a fever and he said, “Please cancel my pledge.” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, refused three times and he said:

الْمَدِينَةُ كَالْكِيرِ تَنْفِي خَبَثَهَا، وَيَنْصَعُ طَيِّبُهَا

Medina is like a furnace. It expels its impurities and collects what is pure.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 1784, Grade: Sahih



The Prophet did not punish this man even though he abandoned the community.



The Prophet did not punish this man even though he abandoned the community.

In a similar manner, Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz as Caliph did not apply any penalty to a group of apostates who had recently embraced Islam but were not firm in the religion. We can deduce from this narration that punishment is not necessary for people who only recently embraced Islam and are not firmly grounded in its teachings.

Ma’mar reported: Some residents of the peninsula told me that some people embraced Islam but they did not remain in it very long until they committed apostasy. Maymun ibn Mihran wrote to Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz regarding them and Umar wrote back saying:


عَلَيْهِمُ الْجِزْيَةَ وَدَعْهُمْ

Let them return to paying tribute and leave them alone.

Source: Musnaf Abdur Razzaq 18102




These are clear-cut examples of minor apostasy in the early period of Islam for which there was no legal punishment.

iamgenius:
I don't even know how to qualify your brain.
The verse of Laa Ikraaha is talking about those who are not apostates i.e those that are practicing their original religion like Jews and Christians (who are to pay Jizyah).

The ahaadith brought by AbdelKabir are about apostates. Apostates were to be killed whether treason is connected or not.

Your problem is you don't know how to reconcile between verses or ahaadith that may look contradictory. Instead of you to ask him to reconcile between both verse and Hadith.

Stop thinking like a brainwashed Muslim living in the West and trying to "beautify" his religion to suite the Westerners.

Okay, you dont need to tell me what the ayah entails. It is not only that ayah. So why do you hold on to that?. Didnt you see other verses there i quoted as well?.

Besides, La ikhraha fi deen is not restricted. As it is in our modern time, if your family member leaves islam, your recommendation is killing him/her?. Is that scholarship?. Even if you give them naseeha and they still reject it, your recommendation is killing them?. And you think that will prevent other muslims from apostasy?. You will just make everything worst.

This is not about "beautifying" islam. We are talking reality here not just reading me text. Punishment for apostasy is only for those who renounce the religion and seek to destroy islam from within.



Taha Jabir Alalwani writes:

Hence, if the Messenger of Allah ordered the execution of those who changed their religion in order to destroy Islam’s inner front by shaking the Muslims’ faith, especially those who were still new to Islam, by spreading falsehoods in Medina with the aim of stirring up divisions and by plotting the Muslims’ downfall, then this can only be viewed as a security issue and therefore justified. After all, there is no nation on earth that will allow others to harm it in this way. Moreover, if the Jew who was being commanded by those plotting against Islam to appear to enter Islam at the beginning of the day, then repudiate it at the end of the day, realized that he would not be able to exit from Islam with the same ease with which he had entered, he would think twice, nay a thousand times, before throwing in his lot with such conspirators.

Source: ʻAlwānī, T. J. F., Roberts, N., Unus, I. (2011). Apostasy in Islam: A historical and scriptural analysis. London: International Institute of Islamic Thought. p.70-71

It is only in this situation that we can properly understand the statement of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him:

مَنْ بَدَّلَ دِينَهُ فَاقْتُلُوهُ

Whoever changes his religion, then kill him.

Source: Sahih Bukhari 6524, Grade: Sahih

Scholars recognize that this apparently general statement must be restricted (takhsees) by other evidence. What we find is that the Prophet issued this directive within the particular context we have described and it should not be used to negate several verses and traditions indicating restriction. Rather, this tradition must be understood in light of the Quran and traditions as a consistent whole.

AbdelKabir:
Bunch of rubbish as usual.....see, only that one narration of Abu bakr fighting and killing apostates kills everything you are saying as NONE of the sahabas opposed that, meaning its an ijma of the sahabas............so all the sahabas were wrong simultaneously right? And you the brilliant one seem to know better than them....

As I said before, look in your family and pick out apostate and have him or her punished. I dont wanna hear your hearsays. Folks like you give Quraniyun trash talk.

You will return to this thread a yr or 2 from now and realize mistakes you are making just like you did with music and pictures.

^^

you both are senseless. You definitely don't understand message poster tried to send. He basically used his daughter as example. So what's wrong with that?. As you can see the lady on the left side has picture of the sheikh on her shirt. So poster used sheikh's daughter as example to emulate (how women should dress). Whats wrong with that?.

Why do you guys are low IQ?

AbdelKabir:
So we establish truth concerning sharia if Saudi does it ba? Wallaahi you are a miskeen....

Now that you don't have anything to say, attacking Saudi is your next goal......yeye

You said I should believe what I want, but here are evidences pointing to your face, so yeah I am going to follow evidences d not dull brained individuals trying to "beautify" Islam....

I am not attacking Saudi. I cited them and muslim nations. So stop this crap already. It is your understanding that kulafah did that when Quran sits in judgement over all that. Is their words and action 100%?. Your method is wrong. Start from your family and seek to find apostates and carry out hadd on them. You rely on hearsays. The implication is that you are saying those verses of Quran like "La ikhra fi deen" is redundant. Allah doesn't need you to proof His religion. You are corrupting islam with your bogus understanding of religious text.


Hearsays can have addition or subtraction. That of Saidina Ali is a red flag considering multiple reports on same incident. How in the world that sit over Qur'an?. Think. I am absolutely under no obligation to agree with you. You follow hearsays. You place hadith over Quran without even considering those narrations could have been false?. You are incredible.

Let just assume you live in area where you have no access to those narration except Qur'an, are you gonna believe them if someone tells you that kalafah killed apostates just for living islam while verses of Quran contrary to them are standing tall at your face?. The best argument for apostate is its connection with treason. Treason is capital punishment across the board.

Get off your high horse man.

olamkas:
Even when you think you are grounded, you will still get defeated. The bible itself made it so. If a book contradicts itself, how then do you want to defend such. The more you try substantiating a point, the deeper you get into shit. Just ask yourself, could such book be from God or be inspired? For example, xtians claim Jesus is God as said in the Bible, same bible rebukes this single claim in the parts of it. Establishing the oneness of God is always a big nightmare for bible believers because they want to hold on to the fact that Jesus is God when there is a distinction between the true God and the 'said-to-be' god.

John 17:3 3Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent (a messenger)

You right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1_2mEHmXx4