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iamgenius:
You don't need to lie, misquoting the Qur'an.

Again, please stay off this if you have no idea what's going on. Thanks.

He asked for the word andi showed him equivalent of it in the quran

iamgenius:
Whenever you want to bring evidence from the Qur'an please check very well before you do so. This is your 2nd time you will do this, you don't have to lie in order to cover up your MISTAKES or LIES or BID'AAT. Let me teach you; Suhuf(Books Or Scriptures) is the plural of "Saheefah". Your own manhaj is "Suufiyu". I cann't type arabic on my phone now, it could have been better but I cann't.

Whats ur business here?. He asked question and i answered since he deliberately chose not to grasp my point all along.

Deal with it


How the word "sufi" came about is another subject. Abeg, comot for side

AbuUthaymeen:
INFACT THE NAME SUFI IS BIDA..

sura ala ayah 19

Everything else you said is bs

Now, where is jabatawiya in the Quran

AbuUthaymeen:
I do n0t argue with what adam said, the question is, are those acts, belief and sayings are done according to prophet muhammad command? AND WE ALL KNOW, ITS ABSOLUTELY NOT. AND THAT IS WHY UNA BE KAFIR. . . .IW

O ti tan. No more disagreement since you can not refute him..goes to show that there is sufism in islam unlike your campaign nonsense that it is not. How everyone does it is none of ur business.

AbuUthaymeen:
Despite my explanations on bida, ahlu bidah, conditions to meet before becoming kafir, kufru and itshiad...u still dont understand. read my explanations again. . thank you. . am a proud muslim while u a proud sufi. . . very much different. .anyways. . OYO lo wa

and despite my explanations of essence of sufism you still dont understand. Read all my explanations again incuding sheikh Adam's profile (my thread) and the one i recently posted today. Thank u

AbuUthaymeen:
See rhetorical question.. ofcourse he gave fatwa that it is allowed.. its people that will follow the fatwa that will measure the fatwa with kitabwasunnah. . shey u see him for quran recitation cerem0ny ni abi he himself is a competitor? he did bida ke?#laughing#. . .he didnt do bida o.. its called itshad(mistake). . .

ur hypocrisy stinks. when scholars u love commit bid'a that perfectly fits ur definition of bid'a, u say they make mistake. But if others do the same you call them alhubda kufr.


U simply have no right to call people alhubid'a and kufr if u cannot acknowledge ur scholars do the same. For as long as u consider other ahlul bid'a, i will continue to bring this forward. Just that u are sincere and call a spade a spade, rather than boda kabiru

U however lack knowledge and wisdom on matter of ijtihad and even proper understanding of islamic text. Deal with it

AhluSunnah:
ehn eri ti sheik mu wa da?#laughing# . . . all our sheik told us NOT TO FOLLOW THEIR FATWA IF THEY DID NOT BRING PROOF FROM QURAN AND HADITH . .#lobatan

Goan ask him. My point is, he committed bid'a or not?

udatso:
I believe the rules of Islam are fair and just. And I believe there has to be a proper explanation for this.
Islamic morals supercedes every other cultures'. So I find it surprising that it's permissible to kill a premature baby animal for consumption that ordinarily most customs would despise. Allahu a'alam

Yup. Actually in many Western supermarkets, they do have young beef meat. But consumers generally dont care bcus they dont witness slaughterings. I have worked with many White folks who buy baby beef. Dont mind so called animal right activities. Besides, it is just ruling. I general detest eating any baby animal especially if i am a witness to their slaughterings.

Fact remains that baby animals especially newborns are not eligible for Qurbani

AbuUthaymeen:
O YA QUOTE ANYWHERE WHERE OUR SCHOLARS YOU MENTIONED SUPPORTS QURAN COMPETITION O. . QUOTE THE TIRA WEA DEY SAY IT AND ITS PAGE NUMBER AND WHAT THEY SAID. . . . . . . . . .O ya am waiting o. . #laughing# ..

Sheikh Bin Baz On Qur'an Competition


(Part No. 8; Page No. 55)

It is a good and appreciated precedent to encourage students to practice memorization, to hold exams for them, and to offer them scholarships and prizes to encourage and motivate them as well as others to do good. Such is a good, blessed, and appreciated work.


http://www.alifta.net/Fatawa/fatawaChapters.aspx?languagename=en&View=Page&PageID=976&PageNo=1&BookID=14



Sheikh Uthaymeen

https://islamqa.info/en/156560


havent seen that of Albani yet

AbuUthaymeen,

it is clear now that you are low IQ.

AbuUthaymeen:
What can i say? abdelkabir be salaf for your own view. . and even so that sahabah did bida..ehn they made mistake ni.. and even though they did bida, na everybody that does bida be kafir ni? Ehn. .

Ha ha ha alabosi. Isnt your campaign is "Kulu bidat kufr" Every bida is kufr according to you and your jabata. Why are you switching your mouth when it comes to sahaba? Are they exempted from kufr you attributed to others on bidah. Now you said their bid'a was 'mistake?

I said before your manhaj is fake. You are easily refuted. See how you flopped

if sufi does stuff according to quran and hadith ni? ehn ko ba daa.. u people never follow rasul..na ur sheiks una dey follow..that is exactly why you went dolal.

SUFISM (TASAWWUF): AS DEFINED BY SHAYKH ADAM ABDULLAH AL-ILORY In his book:


Athar al-'ilm wal-Falsafat wa t-Tasawwuf fi Masirat d-Da'wat al-Islamiyyah (1991).

1. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is a Belief and Duty. It is also a Devotion and Adoration. Tasawwuf is a Worship and Service. Thus, every Muslim is a Sufi.


2. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is a Research and Seeking for knowledge about Realities (Haqiqah). Thus, every seeker for reality is a Sufi.


3. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is Preaching and Guidance. Every preacher and guide is thus a Sufi.


4. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is showing indifference to what people possess, while desiring Allah's favour (i.e. Asceticism). Every Ascetic (Zahid) is Sufi...


To sum it up;


5. Tasawwuf (Sufism) is Purification of the Soul (Tazkiyat an-Nafs) and inculcating Good Behaviour and Virtue in such a way wild animals are tamed.


Source;

Sufi Thought of Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-Ilory, by Abubakar Imam Ishaq. A paper published in “Shaykh Adam Abdullah: In the Tableau of Immortality (2012), Volume II, Edited by Prof. Razaq D. Abubakre


So tell me, from definition given by Sheikh Adam, is sufism in islam or not?. Do you agree with this definition of sufism which you have been unable to answer for weeks now?. If you disagree with what he said, then, you are protestantism.

ehn umar and the hadith u quoted,umar never did bida.congregational taraweeh has delil from raSul.. ehn he said bida hassana(good innovation) but congregational taraweeh aint bida. .#lobatan#..

what u said here shows that you are hypocrite and dull. I remembered you said congregational taraweeh is bid'a, now you said it has dalil. Where is the dalil?. I wish i can bring your past posts on this. You are a liar buddy. Alhamdulilah however that you are forced to submit to us that congregational taraweeh is not bida' Thank God for that. You are forced to say this just to safe yourself from shame. Dont come up next time with nonsense. ashiri e ti tu. just like abdelkabir. Y'all fake salafis.

ISLAM is practically "aqeedah" and i never said islam is salat,hajj,zakaht#o tun pa iro mo mi#

You are really a confused fellow. You can't perform any of these without beliefs (aqeeda) in them. See how i dealt wit you. I thought you are knowledgeable as you claimed to be. smh. A non-muslim dont pray salat etc bcus they dont have AQEEDA in it. lo ba tan

Ehn quran reading is zikr.its ibaadat and must be done according to how rasul did..quran competition sounds cool but since it has no proof in quran or hadith...and its ibaadat...doing it leads to bida..#lobatan#

Ok, so all you shuyukh Bin Baz, Albani, Utheithemeen and countless of them committed this bid'a. Fantastic. NOTED and thanks for your sincerity unlike your brother abdelkabir.


ikupakuti, albaqir

oro ti so ara e o. Ati dismantle manhaj jatijati

AbdelKabir:
Your problem.....

Abuuthaymeen is far more sincere than you even though he is fake as you. So you have no right to collect on qiyama. See how i exposed all of you. Y'all fake

AbdelKabir:
Come to house and force me to be with you or that fool....


Hot sit? Lol, you seem to take NL so serious and your ego depends on what happens on NL, seriously shaking my head for your silliness.....

Alright. I will take this reply of yours to mean i was correct when i said:

Your fellow salafi like abdelkabir and Co see nothing bidah about international Quran competition. They said it is mubah which is correct. But their shallow definition of bida go against their very own definition of it. That sounds hypocritical to me.

So you have no right to collect from me on qiyama. You are given opportunity to prove me wrong. Your inability to answer puts you in the same position with that clown. You know too well the consequence of answering that question. . Henceforth, i consider your position on International Quran Competition to be bid'a until you can argue otherwise. In that case implication is that Saudi led International Quranic Competition is bid'a. Noted.

Don't cry next time that i lie about you.

AbdelKabir:
Pls go and find one place to sleep, you are not worthy of my precious time, keep discussing with your partner in crime Em.piree..

The moment you answer my qtn up there would put you on a hot sit. You are either with that clown or you're with me on this. No in btw.

AbdelKabir:
How many times have you lied on me on this forum, be rest assured that I will collect my rights from you on the day of qiyaama because of all the lies you've attributed to me, this is +1 added to the other numerous lies you've lied against me....

You'll have to bring where I said, I see nothing wrong with musabaqah....

Just one place oh liar...

Keep it simple so i know your stand henceforth. Is International Quran competetion, which started in Malaysia and now championed by Saudis is bidah or not?

La hawla walakuwata ila bilah

Guys, why are you inundating a new revert with all sorts of nonsense?. Can't you just tell him basics of islam which no muslims differ, which are:

Shahadatain (to testify to Oneness of Allah and Muhammad is His messanger)

To pray mandatory 5 daily salat

To fast in the Holy month of Ramadan

To pay zakat

To make Haj


In addition to that,


To believe in All prophets and messangers

To believe in All Divine revealed Books

To believe in Angels,

To believe in Qadar (destiny).



This is islam. Whoever believes and practices these is a muslim. FULL STOP


Why are you overwhelming a new revert with this sectarian rubbish?. Is this "islam" you claim to offer the world?.


Jahsam, everything i mentioned above is what is required of you basically. You are under no obligation to join any sect or specific methodology. As you grow knowledge, you begin to see more. Seek this basic knowledge first.

AbuUthaymeen:
Laughing hysterically.1.prove it to me that they are salafs. 2.if they were really salafs,they would never do it layelaye.. 3.if they are salafs and they are doing it,then they do not know it ni coz no salaf(s) will ever do bida layelaye..coz they are always fighting against bida . . . AND NA EVERYBODY WEY DEY SAUDI BE SALAF abi?#laughing#

abeg, comot. Olodo nie. You have zero hikma

Your fellow salafi like abdelkabir and Co see nothing bidah about international Quran competition. They said it is mubah which is correct. But their shallow definition of bida go against their very own definition of it. That sounds hypocritical to me.

You are on the other hand a neo-salafi with zero knowledge, zero hikma, zero ijtihad, zero qiyas. But you are sincere and stick to your bogus definition of what bida is which is the reason they are unable to skunk you.

Sufi methodology however is very correct in many ways. They open up. They have the knowledge accompanied with hikma. Without hikma, they would not have accomplished many things you enjoyed today. So Quran competition can never be bidah. My problem with your salafI brothers is they are selective what is bida (where it favors them) and what is not (where they detest it). This makes you win over them even though your manhaj is sh!t.

In your fake manhaj, Islam is practically salat, zakat, Ramadan and haj. FULL STOP. Anything else is bidah. You give no room for activities in Islam just like them. If according to them quran competition is permissible, there are other activists that are sharia compliant they deem bidah. This is hypocrisy.

Islam is not all about reading text. You have to come up with certain activists depending on what's going on nationally, internationally, locally etc to promote Islam. This is sufi understanding and it is very correct bcus there are sahaba who did this. Example is CONGREGATIONAL TARAWEEH. If sayyidina Umar (ra) did not bring Muslims together under one imam, masajid would be chaotic with everyone screaming and confusing each other. This refutes nonsense that there is no bidat hassanat. Quran competition is also bidat hassanat in this context.

You are hypocritical too when ikupakuti showed you how some sahaba (rta) innovated many things in favor of Islam but you could not refute him. You ran away from the thread yet you claim others are upon bidah but you refused to make takfir of those sahaba. Stop that sh!t. It is very annoying

AbuUthaymeen:
I do not remember it ni. . . i my own perspective in islam is absolutely not needed in islam. its my rasul and.my ALLAH (kitabwasunnah) perspective that matters

yes, I know it is about "I didn't remember" bcus it it's uncomfortable for you just like your takfiree salafi brothers. Now, those who involved in Quran competition, according to you, are they alhubidah or not?. Remember this is a worldwide international Islamic event

AbuUthaymeen:
You need not accuse(sic) me like that. . provf it to me why it isnt bida. .simple. . .I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU COZ IT HAS NO PROOF. . if it has, let me know. .n0b0dy kn0ws it all

I simply asked you why didn't you include it on your list of bidat?

AbuUthaymeen:
Ko daa egbon.. e change .. eyin na mo pe ko daa.. kilode ti okan yin le to bayi.. oro alkiamoh la n so yi. . e change egbon.. eyin na mo pe nkan te n se ki se nkan to right

I wondered why you didn't include International Quran Competetion in the above bid'at since it was not practiced by the nabi (saw) or his companions?. Is that too uncomfortable?.

You see things from your own perspective only and you assumed it is the only view?. Thank God folks like you were not the pioneers of Islam in Nigeria. Things would have been worst.

AbuUthaymeen post=59955696[s:
]1. Ehn sufism is a "sect" and rasul said all islamic sect will go to hell except 1...those who stays with his sunnah. 1. creating sect isnt sunnah. 2. worshiping grave isnt sunnah. 3. doing isbal isnt sunnah 4. doing kubura, salatu fathi isnt sunnah 5. worshipping sheiks isnt sunnah. 6. snapping pictures,puting it in m0sk,houses aint sunnah. 7. expecting protection, rizk, and other wordly things aint sunnah. 8. disobeying quran and hadith aint sunnah. 9. rejecting hadith aint sunnah. 10. doing loud azkar aint sunnah, doing it in jammah aint sunnah. 11. jalabi aint sunnah. 12. turning quran surahs to dua aint sunnah. 13.turning suratul iklas to surah of the dead aint sunnah. 14. believing ALLAH is everywhere aint sunnah. 15. believing you and everything is ALLAH aint sunnah. 16.sujud as greeting aint sunnah. 17. using tesubah aint sunnah#everyting about sufi isnt sunnah#..turn to sunnah then..po,k4k,[/s]

dull and boring dude`. Olodo

AbuUthaymeen:
daadaa sise. . its means act according to QURAN and RASUL. .s o be do

Good. Now be quiet for good. Thats what ESSENCE of sufism is.

AbuUthaymeen:
WHICH QUESTION

what's Ihsan in islam?

AlBaqir:
# Are you on gbana or you suffer from memory loss? Here's your shi.t:

Lol, this is funny. You should have rubbed his sh!t on his face instead of handing it to him

# Have you received ijaza from your master Jabata ni to debate a "kafir"?

he's frustrated bcus he realized he is alone in his bs

Sissie:
I did by mistake. I wanted to quote you but pressed modify instead. Mods can modify post

i already sensed ur footprint on it when i first saw it. Decided to give it benefit of the doubt. Having studied many here, without glancing at monikers, i can tell who wrote what

AbuUthaymeen:
No be me o..me wey dey use java phone.. maybe na mistake from your side... ehn i understand..thats exact5y what every sufi says. . . i do not dispute with it at all. . but u do agree that all your explanations, definitions, beliefs, actions and sayings should be FOR ALLAH and according to how rasul explained abi? . ..7t

beating around. answer the question

Sissie:
� grin just when you think it can't get worse

Oh now i see. Was wondering what happened to my post. I usually paid attn to wat i typed

AbuUthaymeen

� just when you think it can't get worse.

who edited my post I didnt add this phrase



Anyways,

AbuUthaymeen:
But e fi sufi si le.. eyin na mo pe ko da.. e fi sile

what's sufism

Living spiritual body of islam is like bird without feathers

Thats why u end up wth protestantism

^
most of us are guilty of this

udatso:
Lukgaf

This isn't clear. Does this mean the little baby will equally be slaughtered as udhiya

They rely on certain ahadith (Al-Bukhaari (4101) and Muslim (2039) where nabi(sa) and a companion(ra) ate young goat. But there seems to be condition to that. Although generally, there is no age limit of animal we eat. I personally would not eat vile (baby) animal talkless of newborn. But in this context, it is about Udhiya, there is age in animal we choose for qurbani.

Under the heading which this baby animal is cited, is under defected animal not eligible for Udhiya. So what's the point of slaughtering the baby since mother is considered defective and needs to care for her baby?.

Well, it is fiqh issue of certain people. It is not binding. Spare the baby and let it grow. There are other options. These ahadith seem to refute slaughtering baby animal for "sacrifice" (eran ileya) al-Bukhaari (5556) and Muslim (1961)

An2elect2:
All Nigerian famous pastors like Oyedepo, Chris, Tb are all robbers and like their foreign counterparts have no relationship with the true God. They all drink from same cup and are leading millions of people to hell. My only consolation is that these evil men parading as ministers of God were before time ordained for this, even their condemnation is set.

Yes there are true Christ followers made possible by the grace of our sovereign God.

at least you are sincere

So who are true christians now since you have kafara (excommunicate) them?. Are they not christians?

LifestyleTonite:
He is not cos ''by their fruit ye shall know them''.

Stop whining like it's only muslims that are helping. If checked, the percentage of help coming form the muslims won't be more than 5%. Compared that to the amount of help and aid that Christians have been giving to islamic countries for centuries..

Again, why are you talking about islam here?. The topic is about a famous christian man called Joel Osteen who can not provide help to victims of natural disaster. Soon after this debacle is over, and the man starts preaching good things again, you gonna say "he is a man of God"

LifestyleTonite:
Don't you understand. Governments are the ones to deal with certain offenders, not we Christians in a certain sense. The law of Christ is for us to love one another and to carry each other's burden. If you love a sinner, you won't kill that sinner but preach to the sinner. If he fails to repent, when he dies, he will face Judgment. Example was when the mob wanted to stone that woman accused of adultery, Jesus stopped them and showed them that a sinner cannot judge another sinner. Moreover, if you stone her to death, how will she repent of her sins? What if she was wrongly accused like we saw a comedian killed in Ikorodu after he was mistaken for Badoo member? You know nothing about the law of Christ.

Galatians 6:2 states, “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ”

Yeyeman, so why is Joel Osteen obligated to serve victims?. Isnt that govt responsibility?. In a secular society, govt is not concerned about moral law. This is where religious law sets in. Secular govt dont punish for fornication, homosick, etc. But they punish for killing and theft. So are you saying your Jesus has no moral conduct?. No rules and regulations?. Just preach and preach to offenders?. Have you not don that and what have you achieved?. Women still go to church almost naked and listen to "word of God".

yeye