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@jamo90,

Not at all. I didn't endorse some of omo musa utterances as you said. When the first 4 mins excerpt gone viral, i condemned him. Later I watched the whole an hr long lecture in church and I realized it is not necessarily as potrayed earlier. He did speak truth to them. But he messed up with nonsense about "jesu a gbe yin o or in the mighty name of jesus"

As for Helleluya, that has correct terminological term in Islam which is acceptable to Christians. Far as am concerned, I feel like he taunted them at church indirectly. That's why I stopped criticism of him. He needs to make message of Islam clear cut. "Kul haq walao kana mora".

Speak the truth no matter how difficult it is. That's what sheikh buhari should do even though the church invited him. He spoke about a pastor who is a secret Muslim when he went to visit him. All that should go to his credit too but he definitely needs to stop unnecessary utterances.

As for this agbero guy, he's one of those things called Islam ti ko eran mero in 21st century.

^^

Ducky gesture from Bangladeshi govt. Good one

This ustaz is correcting him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqb-h2IkZxQ

Watch this 9 minutes video of this thug yelling and cursing inappropriately all bcus of Buhari omo musa's utterances at church. Because of omo musa, this guys condemns all alfas from ilorin and all their past shuyukh. Talked down on Sheikh Niyas(ra) and Sheikh Abdul Qadir jilani(ra).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp2-DWua_wE&feature=youtu.be

Pppl lost manners these days. Some of buhari utterances were wrong indeed. A sensible muslim would be objective but he did give sincere advice and spoke the truth as well to them in church. Why did they ignore all that

Lol, loyal servant

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That's my position actually. I believe they do good stuff for the ummah. It is ungrateful not to recognize that. The sheikh he quoted was just being too emotional

It would be good if you don't take it too personal cus if you see clearly, this ungratefulness the sheikh talked about is here on nl towards non-Saudi shuyuk. Jabata and his takfree brothers and bida crooner brothers here are typical examples.

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LOl. See, everyone of us is guilty of being ungrateful. Many muslims do not have personal beef with Saudi Arabia wallahi, But when their trained chickens/puppets are so ungrateful to others, it becomes reprisal attack. Take NL for a good example. Besides, the main reason majority might some issues with Saudis might be bcus of overwhelming ahadith which speak against them directly and indirectly. Unless you want to wipe off those ahadith which is too late now. Many of those ahadith are located in Sunnah Abu Daud under the book of fitan. Plus their unholy alliance which many dislike. They don't dislike them mainly bcus of shari'a approach


The Sheikh's last sentence reads:

I fear that if we continue on this way then Allah will punish for not being grateful to those who deserve.

Mention non-salafi shuyukh and see reaction you get. They are are so ungrateful. It is from the same Saudi trained Sheikh Albany who who taught discrinimination of muslims.


#myopinion

Proudgorgeousga:
bla bla bla im sorry to disappoint you I'm not a pastor worshipper so save your sermon.

read this link below it talks about the so called Hebrew bible nowhere is anything Islamic mentioned.

https:///Tanakh

You have a good day.

Proudgorgeousga:
he is lying. where can I find this manuscript that is Islam?
you guys keep spilling what your psychotic deluded prophet fed you that ancient people have been Muslims. delusions.

my friend go read a history book.

Onus is on you to proof him wrong. Besides, i don't believe you watched it anyways. Why waste my time. If you think he is lying, there is nothing else to talk about. I dont expect your pastors to tell you the truth. The same way they lied to this pastor. If you watch the full video you should know there is no way he could have possibly lied. He detailed everything from early 90s and how he finally converted later. If you think he is lying, Hebrew bible is not for you then

menxer:
If it that happens to be the case I won't have any regret reading it in the original format.

Pls do go ahead and look for the book. The man i posted above found it in library in Jerusalem. Not only that, he saw people pray as muslim prayed and was shocked

Proudgorgeousga:
Islamic delusion pls where can I find this original Hebrew manuscript that is Islam?

I guess the original Jewish Torah is also islam.

these Mohamedeans sef

Thats ur homework not me. Meanwhile, help urself. This is the former pastor who who was funded to Israel to study Hewbrew Bible but ended up being muslim.

https://www.nairaland.com/1445968/lecture-former-pastor-mathew-oyewole

menxer:
I think he is right for once, if we were to study Hebrew to read the scriptures in its original format, all this issue of mistranslation causing confusion would have been none existent.

and I hope you truly do. I can guarantee you that you will end up becoming muslim. Because what you will see in the original christian manuscript is Islam. This is fact. Some pastors reverted to Islam bcus of that.

Toks2008:
The Bible Answered this very clearly without leaving any reason for guessing or misinterpretations in John 19:16-18

"16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst."

Please stop asking this funny question cos there is no confusion whatsoever in the Bible.

okay good. So now, you are agreeing Jesus is not God. Therefore, when he was being nailed on the cross, he was calling unto God for rescue, which means God and Jesus are separate entity. CORRECT?.

Here lies another problem, according to bible quotes u there, shows he was born to be sacrificed, correct?. If that's so, why cried on the cross?. Does that mean he did not want to sacrifice himself?.

Toks2008:
Concerning the lost (fake gospel)thank GOD its called lost gospel (Apparently that is where the lies stemmed from)

I'm also happy you have agreed in clear terms that the original Quran texts never added the lies the interpreters added.

Now do you know that many Muslims were actually misled by that false interpretation of someone taking the face of Jesus? how sad.

Anyways since you still want to take that verse in isolation,I will leave you to your option.

As far as I'm concerned...and in my opinion,only the ignorant will refute the fact that Jesus was crucified and A DENIAL OF THIS IS AN AUTOMATIC DENIAL OF PARADISE (JANNAH)

Call me names I care less but you have two options.

1.Believe now and be saved or
2.Be Adorun MO o to (Know the truth after you die) and suffer the consequence of eternal separation from God and you will be reminded of the chance you lost.

Your life your choice ....nuff said.

If something is placed in parenthesis, it is not part of Quranic text. Rather opinion of particular person. And it is not all muslims believe in the theory of substitution.

Besides, it doesn't mislead anyone. It is optional if anyone wants to believe it. What Quran states clearly is he was neither killed nor crucified but it was made appear so them IF he was killed, how that happens, ONLY God knows absolute truth about that. But as humans, we all can guess out of our curiosity and come up with opinions and theories.

There is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is for a muslim to believe he was killed or crucified.

Now, kindly answer this question you were asked. Who was killed or crucified on the cross,Jesus(man) or God or mangod?. Which one?

Victornezzar:
Nairalanders please avoid dis thread if u wan sleep well dis nyt
I no gree off lyt dis nyt oo
dis people av really scared me

missyQween:
I hope this chair I am sitting on won't break when the real show began

Dont worry. Unless they shut their mouth, you gonna be having problem holding your mouse and keyboard by the time the drama begins.

AbdelKabir:
^^^ you are not a sincere person.......and keep deceiving yourself....



Allaah's help is sought....

Are u being paranoid boda kabiru?. SHe's simply neutral sofar. Don't get worked up. Not everyone subscribes to your boolsh!t

Toks2008:
You are so contradictory and that is because you have realised the truth but as expected,you kept dodging the truth.

I have made it clear that QURAN IN ITS ORIGINAL TEXT NEVER WROTE THAT SOMEONE WAS CRUCIFIED IN HIS STEAD so please stop being canny?

The fact that this was never in the original text automatically nullifies any alteration.

Sir, do you have problem with comprehension?. The revelation in its PLAIN & CLEAR arabic text NEVER said anything about substitution. What it said is Jesus(as) was NEITHER KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED. That's clear unless you have problem understanding text. This is english sir.

That said; Now I ask as I have done before; who was crucified if not Jesus? you know why the Quran never gave the answer?,it's because Quran never gave that false account cos if it did,the Quran as complete as claimed should not leave anyone in limbo.

You are making up your own theory right. Actually the idea of "theory of substitution" sprang from christianity itself not Islam. Below is a short article written about stuff found in christian manuscripts that Judas was substituted for christ. This is excerpt from the article.


A shocking claim could “collapse Christianity” as it puts one of the key claims of the religion under scrutiny.

A so-called “lost gospel” which has been kept in Turkey claims that it was not Jesus who was crucified, but rather the traitor Judas.

This is according to information allegedly written by Barnabas, one of the messiah’s disciples.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/795396/BIBLE-CLAIM-Judas-Jesus-not-crucified

emekaRaj:
Empiree you know i cant ignore you, I hav one big respect 4 u, even tho u dnt knw it.... But that ur Quote up their is one big wash. Infact na wash of life but thanks anyway.

LOL, welcome back. Which of my statement "na wash",


**that i see you all the time or

**that you are refreshing or

**that you are handsome

Toks2008:
A former imam came to my church today and coincidentally preached about the issue of salvation in relation to Islam and he said and I quote..."When I was still an imam,we tried as much as posible to deny the fact that Jesus was crucified and even held on to a verse in the Quran but many of us knew the truth that he was crucified but we purposely held a contrary view just to reject true salvation"

We have heard so much flimsy stories like this. Nothing new. On what ground did the "Imam" whom you failed to mention his identity made his conclusion?. Like the brothers emphasized to you, Quran is CLEAR
as DAYLIGHT denying CRUCIFIXION. One again, Quran says, without mincing words:


And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


Onus is on you to tell us where "imam" got his reference from. What is the name of "Imam" please?. Who invited him to your church?. Do You have video proof of his claim?.

But whatever the case may be,try to discuss objectively so that other viewers will learn.

Quran verse above discussed it objectively

But then I kept asking;who was crucified in his place but I guess that is one question those who hold on to this falsehood will never have answers to.

Qur'an is silent on how it was made appear to them. Anyone one can come u with different theories about that. What is unanimously believed is that he was neither killed nor crucified. That's clear. I don't necessarily belief in the theory of substitution bcus Quran doesn't say that.

Now, question asked you before stands:

Who was killed or crucified on the cross? Man, Man-God or God?. Which one?

His (Toks2008) fellow brother from another mother, a confutionist called plainbibletruth, is another twister. Aint have his time yet.

Interesting. ...

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Woow, have never even seen your moniker before. Ppl been secretly reading stuff.without many knowing. Indeed, that thread is a bomb. Never underestimate power of du'a.

Emekaraj is around. I see him all the time. I guess he's taking his time to refresh. The dude handsome though. Seen his pic

Anyways, derailment here and there is part of keeping up with this thread. I see it exactly like "Jinn Stories" thread. Never knew you were reading

AlBaqir:
# Should've try and respect what this thread is all about.

I will. Just feel it is that time of the year again

missyQween:
I am just watching...Lol

In African American voice , 'you ain't seeing nothing yet'. You will watch dramas for here ma'am. I hope you get to grasp their manhaj very well bcus soon you get to see their flaws

Let's roll it. Ashura underway...NL is going to be fire

ikupakuti:
Pls where is the link ? Would really love to participate

not much e-war in this one
https://www.nairaland.com/1967745/controversy-surrounding-significance-ashura-10th

Let's begin
https://www.nairaland.com/2666921/ashura-weeping-al-hussain-ibn-ali

https://www.nairaland.com/3394720/prophet-day-ashura-significance-ashura

https://www.nairaland.com/1513498/why-fasting-day-ashura-need

https://www.nairaland.com/1506271/ashura-day-sky-rained-blood

ikupakuti:
@emp.iree

E don dey happen

Fatwa fiesta

. they are ignoramuses up there. This past eld salat really shows how dull they are. I was just smh at eld ground.

missyQween, these folks you are dealing with so far are literalists. They downgrade power of Quran. Your choice if you want to take them serious. Ask them about Quran, they would tell you Quran itself is miracle. But when power of Quran manifests, they say it is magic

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for more drama

ikupakuti:
Pls where is the link ? Would really love to participate

You gonna have to check either albaqir or mrolai. they are famous for opening that type of thread. Will trying looking for it later today

SuperSuave:
I swear down, I can never be this soft for a lady. See this guy calling, texting, begging her as if his life and hers have been entwined. What do you stand to gain out of all this wahala wey you put yourself? pūssy or something else? or has her father promise you a secured future? I just don't understand why you can't move on with your life guy.

To imagine you are a fresher in school dey vex me sef, you have so many things ahead of you in life yet you're so worked up on girl issue, I weak for you I swear.

Ranting...rant rant rant. Easily said than done. I dont believe you keyboard warrior. Yourself might have gone through this but pretends as if a man can easily get over it.

FutureLeader00:
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What i can suggest is either the lady is playing games, have someone else and wants to use this guy to spend on her. It is not uncommon for ladies to act this way especially if they talk about "you arent doing enough for me" . That sounds like a player to me. I would advice op to slow down and stop calling her for now. I wanted to say she might be going through hard time but her reply sounds like a player. Dont call her anymore. Focus on yourself guy. If she eventually calls, dont answer. Allow few days to pass before calling back. You might eventually need to move on if she's playing games.


Remember This. ....

LadunaI:
Why? are they not suppose to be the one that will file for his h1b or perhaps eb2 for him, why putting the onus on him to sort it out by himself?

They simply dont want to go through that. It can be stressful indeed. They want ready made Thats what my cousin was going to do before reversed after seeing what happened to his colleague. At least this is what he experienced and told me. Maybe some other law firms might be different.

LOL ... @ fake marriages, how can that be? it is always ends in disaster!. Perhaps the dude had a very beautiful "wifey" in naija that makes usc girls unattractive to him lol . It was unfortunately though, to have wasted that chance of re-accruing back his investment.

Yes, i thought about this too. You hooked once you have someone already. As for fake thing, it depends. These akata don "wake up". Bunch of them are online and they have learned foreigners want to marry them for papers, not knowing there are real ones out there. So it is of two types. Either by mutual consent where USC see it as business and you pay her for it with understanding that she keeps her mouth shut throughout and after without living suspicion. And then she must understand that you aren't in love and will divorce her. Problem is, LOVE is very powerful. It is not just as easy as 123. Govt want to see proofs which means you both really have to be so intimate. They have to see pictures like tours, wedding, random pictures of you having funs etc. You know nature of women, can easily forget she on business and fall in love. The other is you marry her with intention for papers but she doenst. This one i hate. It leads to heartbreak. I cant' stand this. This is what i thought my cousin wanted to do thats why i asked him over and over about his commitment cus the lady see me as trustworthy. She asked everything about him from me. But alhamdulilah, he said he is serious. All this was less than 6 months and they got married this May.

Thats nice for your cousin. And being a single himself I surmise?, that without doubt aided him to make such switch swiftly and seamlessly. Learnt many Nigerians are in Texas and more Muslims resides their compare to many other US states save CA, if am not mistaking.

Yes, he was single. And indeed, TX is filled with Nigerians. The state alone is bigger than Nigeria. I remembered in 2007 when lots of people reverted to islam in US, it was TX mainly.