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AbuUthaymeen:
QURAN IS UR FRIEND .. OR GOOGLE .. OR ASK YOVR ALFAS

this is self defeat for u

AbuUthaymeen:
YOU KN0W THE W0RST PART? INSTEAD OF HIM TO ACCEPT THE TRUTH AND REPENT TO ALLAH, HE THEN STILL QUOTE SALAF MISTAKE TO SUPPORT HIS INSANE CLAIMS AND STILL STANDS WITH IT... ITS NEVER LATE FOR YOU TO REPENT TOO . . .

And which ayah of Quran you claimed supports your position that earth is flat?

AbuUthaymeen:
HE IS WORSE THAN EVEN YOU..YOU JUST DO REJECT QURAN AND HADITH NOT DO RODDA QURAN AND HADITH WITH KEFERI WORDS..ALTHOUGH ITS ALM0ST SAME THING. . . IMAGINE, HE USED SCIENCE FINDINGS TO RODDA THE W0RDS OF ALLAH. .

This is real drama. Where is abdelkabir self. This is interesting

AbuUthaymeen:
Laughing .. abdelkabir na baba nla keferi, u said he do listen to jabata before he st0pped, he hates and cant stand the truth ni, thats y he left.. besides, why d0nt u ask him why he make takfir of jabata and why he st0p listening to jabata... ask him why and he should defend it with quran and hadith . .#lobatan. . . and eyin sufi, bring pr0of fr0m quran and hadith t0 proof y0urself right to hate jabata. . eyin baba alawo ti e n pe ara yin ni muslim

@bold baba nla loun loun?. Laishe nomurudu (nimrod)

AlBaqir:
# I know its not but its a perfect opportunity for "restatement of Islamic history and facts".

LadunaI:
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Interesting, his appearance to you or dad? That shows the importance of the verse of CONCERN again. Another sirri in there.

to both but dad first. from there (nija) took him 15mins to get to me. He described my house exactly how dad said it. Thats how i knew he came around indeed

Watching you for the whole two yrs without you notice . I doubt if any any of coroners would have survive that onslaught. Indeed ALLAH's PROTECTION is indeed the BEST for those that RELY ON HIM SOLELY.

As ikupakuti rightly said, their ideology was established on eradicating spirituality. Thats big mistake. And their ideology is what thrives in the west and conveniently exploited by lunatics. Some of them have turned their back after rigorous entrapments and imprisonments. Like Jewish convert guy Cohen (Youssef Khattab). We used to pray together back then. He now claimed to be more traditional muslim. You may google him too and his fellow Yunus Abdullah. They were my friends. feds destabilized their organisation but i was not actively involved with them. Just watched and listened to them. They are sincere but lack thorough knowledge and wisdom. Yunus was sentenced to 15yrs in prison but he has been released some 2yrs ago. He didnt serve term. His other Cos like Jesse are serving 35 and still there

AlBaqir:
@ underlined, the wordings of the hadith is "follow my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my Khulafah, who are rashidun, mahdiyin".

* Rashidun are they who know the truth and follow it.

* Mahdiyin are they who are being guided by Allah.

* The Sunnah of Nabi and that of the aforementioned Khulafah is ONE and unison. Hence the hadith used singular " Sunnah" instead of plural "Sunan".

Any Khalifah that failed those three descriptions is definitely not among those Khulafah mentioned in the hadith.

For more detailed on that hadith, see:
www.nairaland.com/3038732/identifying-khulafau-rashidun-rightly-guided

# The bitter truth which many Sunni do not want to admit is that Khalifah Umar Ibn al-Khattab was never among the Khulafah Rashidun Mahdiyin. He introduced lots of innovation into Islam, and deliberately ruled over existing Sunnah of Nabi for reason personal reasons and desires.

This is not really my bone of contention here.

AbuUthaymeen:
KULAFA RASHIDUN (SAHABAHS, KHALIFA..ABUBAKAR,UMAR,UTHMAN,ALI) whatever all sahabah agreed upon..what umar said is wr0ng&he was corrected with pr0of 4rm rasul.and its thru science of hadith scholar kn0w ummu atiya added her own judgement on the hadith..u kuku kn0w n0t

Okay but my position stands. Who "corrected" him?, Sheikh Uthaymeen. With understanding of who?. According to you, we are to understand Quran and hadith according to understanding of kulafah. So which Kulafah understood Sheikh Uthaymeen's (position on triple talaq) correction of S. Umar(r)'s mistake?. I am trying to get you to think bruv

ikupakuti:
E don pursue all em brothers go He ended up exposing them for who they really are.

This one thing i love about him. He made my job easy He let them see what they couldn't and someone may eventually show up from somewhere to let him see what he doesnt see now

AbuUthaymeen:
laughing hysterically..laugh rolling on the floor.. u kuku kn0w n0thing about hadith, its science and its reports..maa give u assignment, go find out about the hadith where umar was corrected by Uthaymeen and also ummu atiyah..

Onus is on you. You said Sheikh Uthaymeen corrected S. Umar(ra) on triple talaq. Why didnt Sheikh Uthaymeen follow Umar since hadith says to follow sunnah of sahaba?. Why did he have to correct him?. Did he know better than S. Umar(ra)?.

You guys have said the same of sufi "do you know or love rosul better than sahaba who lived with him?"

AbuUthaymeen:
And which of our salafs that you said to be ign0rant of one or two of islam rules gaan o . . . . iro eyin sufi ti poju ..infact its u people that actually gave salafs m0re pr0blem than any other sect.. jabata, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e, abu ibeji, eyin ni n0ni, uztaz yussuf in iwo, eyin yi n0ni pr0blem e.. even in NL, eyin yi n0ni.. m0st of salafs pr0blems, pains, death is alm0st up0n u sufi people also . . . sebi u people wanna kill jabata and others. . . unt0p calling you to sunnah .. kini problem yin gaan. . . why cant u leave the falseh0od and face the truth about islam . . Y love falsehood? why stay with all those sufi, shia and other sect thats n0t in islam . . . . . . . . . why must you die a kafir? se dandan ni. .5am ...

but there are other salafis who rose against your jabata faah abdelkabir who once partially shared his view, you now called him keferi too.

Besides, you did not refute challenges i and other put forth other than to say "you sufis", you shia are kafir". You did not refute. You only rant.

AbuUthaymeen:
Laughing hysterically . . n0b0dy kn0ws it all. . uthaymeen correct sahabah(umar) on the issue of making 3 talaq before it can count as 0ne . . our scholar of n0w0aday even c0rrect sahabah(ummu atiya) on the issue of w0men visiting graves. . . . . . . ONLY RASUL CANNOT MAKE MISTAKE IN THE MATTER OF RELIGION BECAUSE ITS THE REVELATION FROM ALLAH.. And ikupati badmouthing jabata. jabata was a sufi. he abandoned sufi coz sufi isnt part of islam n0r it was practised by sahabahs or rasul. he explained why he left sufi, u people heard it and u stil remain in sufi ..its ur l0ss

Albaqir, pls come see what we just talked about.

Well, considering hadith of nabi(saw) which you guys are famous for quoting goes like this (paraphrased) 'follow my sunnah and sunnah of my kulafa rashidun', this means that your scholars correcting sahaba is flawed. Besides that, implication of what you just said is that the same sayyidina Umar (ra) whom you guys quote a lot, especially abdelkabir, that he beat a group of people gathering to make dhikr means S. Umar(ra) made mistake on that too. If your salafi scholar can correct sahaba, non-salafi too can. Thats the issue of group dhikr which you claim is bid'a.

See, i will forever find holes in your fake manhaj no matter how you take it.

AbuUthaymeen:
HOW MANY TIMES WILL I SAY IT? o su mi o. . i said it has c0nditi0ns. . .s0me0ne you never kn0w maybe he or she is ign0rant ab0ut what he does and call ibadah. . how can u make takfir of such pers0n? laughing. . i have said it TWICE that making takfir has c0nditi0ns. . . .and u still asking funny questions. . .wahala wa o. . THEY ARE MUSLIMS ASL0NG AS THEY HAVE N0T BEEN SH0WN PROOF THAT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS WR0NG OR THEY MISUNDERSTOOD OR THEY ARE FORCED. . .BUT IF THEY UNDERST0OD AND STILL GOES AGAINST THE QURAN AND SUNNAH . . then they are kafir

You mean those learned shuyukh of yours Bin'az, Uthaymeen, Albani and host of those did not know?. You are funny. You know better than them?

I used to fast Mondays and Thursday continuously months before they came around at all. But i was tired and decided to take a break exactly 2wks before their first appearance. Received a call from papa very early Tuesday morning telling me to fast following day. I asked why?. He said "that's irrelevant. Just fast cus i dont like what i saw".

So i did. Two wks later they showed up but i was at work. Fast forward, after interviews with two different agencies, ruhaniya came around and recited ayat laqadi jaqun 313times and informed pop that the area i stay is not that okay for me. Said your boy is trying when it comes to prayer. That lots of people are watching him. Fortunately for him, only Allah is protecting him. He would be gone long ago if not for that.

That was scary. Indeed, according to the agents, they said we have been watching you for 2yrs. which means, the moment they come at you, they already gathered enough info before you know it.

ikupakuti:
I think jabata has replaced his brain with a loaf of bread. As nothing seems to be entering!

that's it.

What baffles me is how his brothers deserted him!

ofc, they can't help it

AbuUthaymeen:
ISLAM IS SEPARATE FROM SAUDI ARABIA . . . QURAN AND HADITH IS VERY MUCH INDEPENDENT ON ITS FOLLOWERS, ITS FOLLOWERS ARE DEPENDENT ON QURAN AND HADITH. . . . . Whatsoever saudi does, its a must to be weigh by quran and hadith . . . we (muslims) do n0t take our religi0n fr0m saudi or it citizens but quran and hadith . . . if saudi does what is n0t in quran, 1st thing is to correct them. . .and if they refused, then they become a kafir. . very simple . . u can neves call anybody that doesnt refuse truth or is ign0rant about islam a kafir. . .like i said earlier, kafir does have conditi0ns. . .its in quran ... thats just how it is. ALLAH makes laws the way it pleases HIM. .h

i dont need your khutba. Are they kufar or not?.

ikupakuti:
^^^

@emp.iree you really went through alot o 5 years! of watching your back! you self go don turn DETECTIVE sef

Read that guy‘s confession...these people are bad! God will judge.

Just take care coz those people never relent.

I dont ever relent. If u see my pic the first 2yrs of this crap, had to wire myself with gadgetry and dark glasses. I turned "men in black" lo san gan gan Everyone i saw was a potential agent. I gave no room for nonsense. Even close friends, i scrutinized them before talking to them. Worst part is they would send ur fellow muslims to entrap u which ofc they did. I Simply ignored them. I dont answer their salaams knowing too well their intent. They would try to force their friendship on u.

ikupakuti:
A very unfortunate one @ that. He will soon meet he‘s waterloo.

I remember he shied away from bidah of sahaba you mentioned before. Maybe you should iterate to him here bcus he keep screaming "Qur'an and sunnah and following sahaba". His ideology will eventually die in no time.

AbuUthaymeen:
See your life,despite tons of explanation on how people becomes a kafir and its conditions."u still do not understand" ..n0t every muslims supports quran competition( salafs didnt because rasul and sahabahs didnt do it or command it & its innovation"

So your big brother salafs (saudis) who championed Quran competetion today are kufar?. Who are the salafs right now in our present world according to you?

[s]asalatu aint the 0nly bida, m0ulid nabiy nko? kaola nko? kubura nko? adiya shehu nko? salatu fathi nko? jalabi nko? turning all quran surahs to book of dua nko? dikr jamah nko? calling ALLAH the names he didnt bare nko? reading dalailu khayrat nko? worshipping and making dua @ grave side nko? worshipping & doing takleed of ur sheiks nk0? doing tawasul with the name of human beings nko? blaspheming ALLAH nko? not believing in hell and jahnah nko? blaspheming rasul nko?..5[/s]

you are still not through with Quran competetion yet and you jumped to other ones

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AbuUthaymeen:
You have been on NL as far back as 5 years or m0re. . . despite series of explanations that sufi aint in islam and series of lectures by salafs. . . . . you are still defending sufi till date.. well, that is your choice... YOU CHOSE TO LIVE A KAFIR LIFE AND DIE A KAFIR... THATS WHAT YOU CHOSE..

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AbuUthaymeen:
ABSOLUTELY NO. . . . Because its recognized globally doesnt mean its part of islam

Good. All muslims recognise Quran competetion globally. Why pick on only certain people or as-salatu?. Are all muslim kafir now since we all recognise Quran competition as good deed in islam?.

Wallahi, you are a misguided fellow!

LadunaI:
Anyway anything Islamic now in west is view with distrust even with those that have notting to do with coroners. But, as the thing subsided now unlike before? or their stuff is becoming ....

Subsided but surveillance still going on intermittently. And the "puritans", many were jailed even though majority were only "guilty" of ranting not predisposed. So all these noise about arrests you heard or seen on tv are bogus. Olohun lo ma dajo afeyin peran

hadizadeezy:
I know all that you mentioned but I still don't understand your own view......Don't allow sectionalism/sectarianism drag you to the wrong path.

you may never understand him

AbuUthaymeen:
"GATHERING" "LOUD ADKAR" "IHKTILAT" "SUNDAYS" .. AND THAT KIND OF GATHERING ISNT PART OF ISLAM NOR HAS PROOF ANYWHERE IN ISLAM

I dont think i have quoted you so far. I avoided you bcus i know your brain is suspended btw heaven and earth.

Where is dalil for "halaqa" gatherings other people hold evry now and then?.

Where is dalil for "Quran competetion" now recognized worldwide?

are these parts of religion too?

hadizadeezy:
what do u mean As-salatu Sunday?

ask him how muslims "copied" as-salatu from christians?

^^

Good. If he is talking about As-salatu, then, it is well. No problem with that.

Who cares about op. Who cares about hausas and yorubas. That's their problem.

Daily worship has time limit. Other religious activities and gatherings have no specific time or limit except where necessary. That's a matter of ijtihad depending on circumstances. It doesn't have to be prescribed. Quran ayat and many as hadith cover for that.

Example is International Quran Competition. It is a gathering not prescribed in Islam but covered by virtues of Islam.

But they can not hold jumah salat on Sunday if that's what you mean by worship?. There is room in Islam for other Islamic gatherings.

tintingz:
The comments is called criticism, there is negative criticism and positive criticism.

So what should I do with those comments?

That's why I said her "man lover", men also have mistress, lovers, what is new there.

Didn't you read where the report said she has two husbands to satisfy herself? Keeping them for financial gain is their problem, gigolo men also go after rich ladies for money.

She is a polygamist, ladies keep many men as lovers to satisfy themselves and gain financial assistance, what is new in that?

you can be in relationship with such woman?

LadunaI:
Wao...this would have been TRAUMATIC for you in someway,

indeed 5yrs of trauma

It's seems CAIR executives and members would be under their radar at all time,

They are and they are used to it. Some amongst them were/are in prison already.

or is it just when certain move triggers the RF has you stated above before been followed by CI?

large institution like cair don't really need to do anything to trigger them. Their representing clients alone was enough.

They have certain phrases in their system that if anyone types them on net would raise RF. But then, they read the context which the phrase is said before acting on it. That's why some write stuff like alkaida, obl, j!had, etc to avoid triggers.

All I know is that as long as NOTTING of sort is one's aim, one will always pull thru.

true. But if they are determined to send someone to their hell, especially if they have incentives, they would go to any length to implicate innocents which was always the case. That was the scary part for me. Lamis Dick said what you said as well. And indeed, fb! did have large incentives so they had to compensate and release hardcore criminals in prison to entrap Muslims. It is either CI or AP(agent provocateur) or both. AP are dangerous. I had ci on me for 4yrs everyday and ap once (both at the same time one night) and I defeated them that night. I guess they realized ci was taking too long LOL. I remembered that night. Was like Indian and American movies I used to watch.

You might need to watch or read about Craigslist Monteilh (AP) to see what I'm taking about. https://www.google.com/search?q=craig+monteilh&oq=craig+montei&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.17857j0j4&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

This is state the BI'DIA coroner and self acclaimed "Puritans" has put the rest of muslims ummah in, especially in the west.

that was my day when i shared that ideology. I noticed they were sincere but lack wisdom. And they don't penetrate Quran. They are "protestant Islam".

I remembered my supervisor was one of the executive of IIIT and he always make frequent visit to state for lectures, he got his MSc and PhD at Boston University, seems not always threaten in a any ways then. Do you know if that body is affiliated to CAIR?

learning about them the first time. But I did research. I don't think they affiliate. Their members were arrested and charged. Hope your oga made it?.

tintingz:
I saw this news yesterday.

Is that not a polygamist woman who's having a clash with her man lovers?

see what she's called by the first two comments?
Will a man ever be called derogatory names unless if he is irresponsible father?.


**Modified**

She actually involved herself in this for financial security not intending polyandry. Plus, as you can see, there was no mutual understanding that both men knew they were "married" to her. That's why the later was upset

tintingz


http://naijagists.com/nigerian-woman-married-two-husbands-ibadan-satisfy-self-divorces-one/

My second attny, a white dude who contacted them before and after interview but i quickly cut him off when i noticed he was going to take me for a ride $$$

Was introduced to my last attny by CAIR-NY. She's Arab-palestinian. You can see her here https://www.facebook.com/lamis.deek.3?ref=br_rs

Pretty woman

https://www.facebook.com/lamisdeek?ref=br_rs

You remember fundraising photo i posted before somewhere with 4 other ladies?. She was at the event too.

I am not going to narrate details how it started but i prefer to talk more about aftermaths. What triggered their curiosity varies.

Examples:

* Book (political & religious) that i bought. You can find those books here http://www.imranhosein.org/books.html i bought 20 of them in early 2011 and read all of them. So you know. Thats enough tr!gger

* Certain online comments

* a quote by Sheikh Umar Mukhtar (ra) from Lion Of The Desert when he was cuffed in the office of General Graziani


Note, upon advice by attny i consulted at outstart, told me to get rid of those books IMMEDIATELY out of my house in case they raid. So I shipped the books out of the country that night cost me $700. This was prior to the interview but after they left their traits at my door. Indeed, they asked about those books at the interview. Imagine that! Thank goodness. I thought ahead of them by not mentioning any of them.