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LadunaI:
Of course yes. In fact he need NOT to watch the video to understand those realms. That's has been topic am been curious about earlier in this thread. And he has DONE amazing job in that regard from his various posts and responses.

Perhaps he has passed thru those realms once if not many times with his understanding of their nature and intricacies. I still take some times to go back and re read them to pick new insight.

I'm always thrilled with that five DIVINE platforms (consciousness) concept, or perhaps now 'six' based on your suggestion. Lolz

most definitely. Or he lives very close with someone who passed through these. If one is able to pass thru the devils in his journey of tassawuf, the rest is bright. Just like Sheikh Abdul Jilani(ra) passed thru shaytan, my shekh did. He narrated his experinces to me in his days when jinns used to bother him. Stole his money, defecated in his prayer room, appeared in form of a woman to seduce him. When he didnt fall for their antics they picked him up from his prayer mat to the ceiling and dropped him several times. He had to run out

LadunaI:
Lolz... that's another realm entirely. Seconded. Lols

The sheik in the video mentioned all the HUTI's. Immediately i remember ikupakuti

If he watches the entire video, i am sure he understands it

Rashduct4luv:
Rubbish because it didnt favour your suffi agenda!

Actually watch this clip for 1 mins from 12 - 13mins he talks about wali/sheik cannot be prophet. You dont have to watch everything. just watch that one min. Goes to show you the video you posted, the man probably heard his hearsay from conspiracy theory


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPLdXYnn7Uc

I like the first 5 mins of this clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPLdXYnn7Uc

I think i know where or how ikupakuti got his moniker from. You notice he talks about:

LAHU TI

JABARU TI

MALAKU TI

HAHU TI

NASU TI

IKUPAKU TI

ikupakuti:
^^^

True!

How can someone be practicing magic & still be called a sufi ? Magic nullifys IMAN ! talkless of IHSAN.

By still identifying them as sufi is a stain on tassawuf.

Everyone knows in all institutions once you go against its tenents you get disqualified. Its the habit of the wahabis to refuse to attack the bad practices only but attack the whole tassawuf just to make it look bad as if tassawuf supports such practices in order to make it unacceptable to people.

This is really my problem with them. They have now labelled it a new religion to make it look heretic. But guess what, they sound more like sufi in this thread today

https://www.nairaland.com/3276590/what-done-improve-today-daily/31

^^

Exactly, everything against them is sufism

FriendNG:
OK. It is better you made your position known. Some people don't know this.

How?

tintingz:
I believe everything I'm doing is by my freewill or else I won't be asking this question someone is already calling "nonsense and foolish one". I guess All knows I'm the foolish one, who's responsible for my foolishness?.

Well, there is Qadr too remember. And Qadr divided into 2 parts basically. One part is "changeable" through dua or if Allah will while the other part is not. You may turn out to be real Islamic scholar and then, look back at some of your comments and make istigfar.

FriendNG:
Do you know if Firaun has asked Allah forgiveness from Shirk at the Right time he would have forgive him ?

Allah forgive shirk.

Pls dont get it twisted. When we say Allah dont forgive shirk, it mean once a person dies, it is over. But other sins like adultery, theft etc, the belief of muslims is if a muslim dies without seeking forgiveness, possibility exists he/she may be punished. And also Allah is Merciful enough to erase and forgive this but not shirk. Shirk is only forgivable while you still breading and you leave it. Am i right?


^^ this is what last ayat of Khaf is talking about. Those who do good or think they doing good but la ilaha ila Allah is not found in their luggage, their deeds are worthless and lost.

emekaRaj:
BIDA'A MY OPINION

l.

At least you gave some inside infos. These are not right. Of Course if i spot this i would speak out against it. But the brothers screaming bida everytime dont even give this info. For instance, one of them just pointed that "lots of bida in abuja and crazy stuff". I asked for evidence like what?. He said nothing. He just want me consider nothing as bida. Problem i have is, they dont point to what you said up there. They're instead, condemning dhikr (gathering or even individual). Condemned Walimot (ceremonial party at the conclusion of Quran), repeating Allah's Names, and especially anything about muslim gathering together and making dhikr or dua, sunday assalatu (like nasfat) etc..all these are bida to them. I even screenshot one of their shuyukh up there in previous page where the man condemn calling Allah's names repeatedly as bida.

we cant have one extreme to the right and another to the left. I also asked them to be specific about exact bida someone or a group is doing but they always lack proofs. I cant condemn what i dont see.

ALso, they have one problem. They think once they sensed your ideology leans towards sufism, they do not differentiate you btw general sufi people and yourself. You are "sufi bida" no matter what according to them. I tried several time to convince them otherwise but they dont give up. Thats why i am harsh with them lately bcus I have been pleading with them for about 3yrs now.

Also for instance, they have the idea that whatever any saudi shuyukh said was the final. Example of that is the issue of greeting elders/parents. In yorubaland, we bend over to greet them. But these folks consider is bida of shirk. So i appointed out that some Arabs kiss their mothers' feet. They would not say anything about it. And i think they were ignorant of Sheikh Uthaymeen(ra)'s opinion on the issue. They always cited ahadith where nab(SAW) rebuked) kneeling. We said to them he rebuked them for act of worship not greeting until i showed them their Sheikh Uthaymeen stance on it. They are quiet but still consider yoruba greeting as bida and shirk. Why not say the same of arabs who prostrating to kiss feet?. Shaykh Uthaymeen said their intention is to kiss feet not worship. I pointed the same that when we kneel to greet our parents, our intention has always been to greet and respect them not worship but they dont agree. They never gave clear definition of bida. For as long as a practice is not in line with their method, and Saudi shuyuk are against, it is bida even if entire muslim world do it.

Example of this is Walimot Quran. They consider it bida. But Quran competetion they consider sunnah but none of them have clear dalil if we are to use their logic. So many things they consider bida is not what you posted. I rebuke magic of course but they dont even talk about that. I also notice that they dont understand other parts of sunnah. They only hold on to verbal (words spoken out by nabi) as sunnah. They disregard "silent approval" of the prophet. And it is a lie actually. They use silent approval of the prophet when it suits them.

tintingz:
Pharaoh was responsible for his actions, Allah knows in advance what is going to happen(except you want to tell me he doesn't) and the Quran said Allah mislead people, why didn't Allah strike Pharaoh with thunder lightning from the begining to save the long story?, but can we say Allah added to pharaoh's misguidance since the Quran said the former?

Let me ask you this....the way you are talking right now, are you saying everything by your free will or what?

tintingz:
Em.piree,

Thanks for the enlightenment, it is somehow confusing tho but I gain something from your post.

So in conclusion, Allah does not mislead people?

Allah does not really know our ends?

Pharaoh was a typical example. He transgressed ALL bounds by his free will. You know all sins are forgivable except sin of blasphemy(shirk). We read that he committed offenses despite Musa(as) admonitions. Allah could still forgive him even for killing his own until he ascribed DIVINITY to himself. That, Allah has zero tolerance for.

Was Allah responsible for everything he did?.

LadunaI:
Such is his @ikupakuti verse knowledge perhaps is better to be called " encyclopedia " because all this while am offline, when I see his post I quickly took the screenshots for detail analysis, and assimilation thereafter. Lols

I am beginning to suspect, as somebody said earlier, @ikupakuti must be in his late fifties or more because such knowledge come with experience which require a maturity of soul. Imam Ghazali (ra) said part of screen on the soul is not reaching the age of 40yrs. It seems @e.mipiree is in this category as well. I hope we benefit more from their writtens.

Let's keep the thread liquid bro!

I know ikupakuti has a lot in store. I can tell by his writing If not that part of adhab of tasawwuf is to eschew, i am sure he will tell it all. If anyone thinks most of his writing is coming from text needs self re-examination. Knowing Allah is not restricted to text as some think.

Rashduct4luv:
Without reference you say? He was quoting verses from the Qur'an which was insribed on the screen! Tell us your opinion about Khidr if it is different from his claim!

Lord have mercy. I wasn't even referring to that. You trying so hard to force ppl to think i reject ayah of Quran?. You sabi lie sha

I was referring to hearsays about sufis he claims. I have already addressed "evidences" he brought that 'majority' of scholar believed khidr was a prophet or messenger. This is false. Sufi position is more reasonable

tintingz:
Thank you sir,


You missed a question, did Allah know those that will go to paradise and hell?

Here comes logical question that requires logical answer. It is normal for average person to ask what you asked. Thats part of reasoning faculty that Allah gave to us. That said, it only makes sense to give you analogy.


Allah didn't predestine Tintingz or any other person to hell or heaven. He knows in His vast knowledge that Mr. Tin who has a free will, will commit actions that will send him to hell (dont take it personal pls). He(Allah) doesn't dictate it. He is not forcing Mr. Tin to do bad deeds. His knowledge is so vast that He knows well in advance what Mr. Tin is going to do.

Here's an example. Not a good one but something that will clarify the logic.

Say Craig is your friend. He is walking down the street and runs into you. You both chat for a while. Then you ask Craig where he is going. He tells you that he is going to the other side of town. You tell him that the road he's taking is blocked, there's a fight between two groups and he will surely not be able to make it to the other side of town and will get hurt or- even worse- die. If he listens to you and trust you, he will change his mind. If he doesn't and continue the path you believe is dangerous, he will get hurt. Now do you think you were being unjust to your friend Craig? Do you think you were being tricky? Or was it more like Craig's own stupidity that sent him the path you both clearly knew was dangerous.

It's the same with our deeds. Allah (SWT) clearly tells us not to do certain things. To believe in him and always seek His forgiveness. But still we go our own way. We do what we think is right. And then when bad things happen to us or when we are punished for what we have done, we blame Allah (SWT) for it? I seek refuge in Allah.


It is not perfect analogy. I am sure of that. But you may as well request for a more logical analogy from "warosikhuna fil ilmi" Imran 7. But i dont have problem with your question.

Rashduct4luv:
The Suffis believe that khidr was a waliyy which is a higher rank than Prophethood that if you were to compare them its like someone who is at the middle of the ocean of knowledge (waliyy) and someone at the seashore of knowledge (Prophet). They also believe that Khidr is still alive and that their Sheikhs can receive revelations through him. You know you suffis na! Your thinking are always absurd and opposite to the Qur'an and Sunnah!


Suffi Empire make sure you watch this video.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VASHhLuePI

More YouTube comments on the video you presented. The man is a lair. This is how they lie and call it "sunnah". See how he's lying openly making baseless allegations against sufis.

Rashduct4luv:
T




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VASHhLuePI

These are some comments from your video. This bearded dude is a liar. See a comment said exactly what i said. He made nonsense allegations against sufis. Rubbish

[s]

Rashduct4luv:
The Suffis believe that khidr was a waliyy which is a higher rank than Prophethood that if you were to compare them its like someone who is at the middle of the ocean of knowledge (waliyy) and someone at the seashore of knowledge (Prophet). They also believe that Khidr is still alive and that their Sheikhs can receive revelations through him. You know you suffis na! Your thinking are always absurd and opposite to the Qur'an and Sunnah!


Suffi Empire make sure you watch this video.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VASHhLuePI

[/s]Liar! He sits besides lamp and lying to the moon. Liar. He is speaking for the sufis from his head without evidence. No muslim believe waliy are greater than prophets. You liars!

The man sound very clueless the way he speaks. He sounds like he is not sure of what he is saying. Everything he said was coming from his brina without reference. He said majority of scholars believe he was prophet or messanger prophet to who?. And those believe he was messanger, where was holy Book revealed to him?.

Again, my question stands show me authentic narration how sahaba understood khidr(as)?. Thats all i asked for. I am not asking you to show me video of bearded dude with hearsays.

Rashduct4luv:
What i posted contained Qur'anic text as evidence and you reject it. Who be hypocrite now?

Okay good. Next time , never and ever call sufis innovators. They also quote Quran to back their point but you people reject it and insist they MUST understand the text as sahaba understood it. But here, you disregarded sahaba and jumped to the text to satisfy yourself.

And if you read me well, i did not reject the ayah. Thats your twist. I simply asked you if that's how sahaba understood the text. I used your logical reason against you. So, please stop nonsense. Khidr was a not prophet. You have no proof. No one throughout history ever said "prophet Khidr".

You are therefore heretic.

tintingz:
“Verily, Allah sends astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 35:8]

“Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 14:4]

“But He sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 16:93]

^^^ From the verses above Allah is also responsible for people's misguidance.

This is misconception. HUmans have FREE WILL to believe or disbelieve in God. Surah 18:29, Surah 73:19 Surah 25:57 Surah 80:11-12


Now these verse show thos people who struggle to God's Path

Surah 29:69

As for those who strive in Us, We surely guide them to Our paths, and lo! Allah is with the good.


^^

Allah is clearly telling us that we need to struggle hard in order to find the path to God. Allah will only guide those who actually struggle to be guided. If God has already predetermined who would go to hell and heaven without giving us free will then it would be useless for Allah to tell us to strive to be good. So God guides those who strive and put an effort to want to be guided.



Surah 39:7

"If ye are thankless(disbelieve), yet Allah is Independent of you, though He is not pleased with thanklessness for His bondmen; and if ye are thankful He is pleased therewith for you. No laden soul will bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return; and He will tell you what ye used to do. Lo! He knoweth what is in the breasts (of men)."




^^^

Allah is saying that he is not pleased with those who are disbelieve (and rebel and thankless) to Him. It would not make sense for God to misguide those people intentionally without giving them free will so that they can go and do what He does not like.



Surah 45:22

And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned. And they will not be wronged


^^

So people will be judged according to their deeds. Allah does not have issues against them except for what they earned. They have free will

carinmom:
There is also another one that their Sheiks always mention verbally during tafsir that on the day of judgement Inyass will wear a gown that has 70,000 pockets, and each pocket can contain 70,000 people and he will sneak with them into Jannah without being seen by Allah SWT, ( wa'iyadhu billaah).

You guys have said this endlessly without proof. Mrolai said the same thing and I asked for evidence but he provided fake reference. Anyways, stop spreading misinformation regardless of who said what if there is no valid reference.

For private reason I have erased identity of this tijjaniya brother. Attached is his response to your claim

Rashduct4luv:
Why are you always Lying? I gave you evidence that contains Qu'ranic verses and you reject it. And I kept quiet and u still dey fumble! May Allah separate us from shaytan and his companions!

evidence? .. see your hypocrisy? .. it is you who said you follow Islam as understood by sahaba yet you didn't not quote just one sahabi to buttress your point.

You did exactly what you accused sufi of. You copied from a man who basically out of his own desire, claimed khidr was a prophet. I ask again how many scholars of Islam throughout Islamic history understood it like that?. See why you people are wrong to label others innovators for the very same thing you did. Sorry, your case is pathetic. Sir, you are alhu-bida

Rashduct4luv:
What does this mean?

Is this a certificate to paradise?

You will never see an Ahl-Sunnah fighting for Imamship cos they know the aftermath in the hereafter. Only Suffi will fight for it even using jins to get what they want.

Even if your leader has the highest score, does that man he is the best for the position? No!

If you went to an higher institution, you would have known that examination is never a real test of knowledge.

if the result was otherwise you wont be saying this nonesense. Don't get worked up bro

"Sufis have no knowledge"

"Sufis dont seek knowledge"

"Sufis are innovators"

Yet, it takes knowledge to get to this level

Lol...this guy is looking for trouble.

What criteria do they use before nominating Imam?








Going to post this in crooners' thread, the alleged "Evil of Tijjaniya" to cause them discomfort

@ikupakuti, i hope you received my emails yesterday?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojd6ayFHZMA

Newnas:
As for your claim that the Sufi people taught me Islam and so on.

This is not a proof for you rather it's a proof against you.

Firstly, I lived a life of almost no religion before I began practicing the sunnah. No Islam except Eids and maybe jumuah.

Secondly, even those Sufi sheikhs, who taught them the little Islam that they have erroneously diluted with innovations, isn't it the pious predecessors i.e the sahabah rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who followed them.

The case of your Sufi sheikhs is as Allah described the people of the book in the Quran

Surah Maryam, Verse 59:
فَخَلَفَ مِن بَعْدِهِمْ خَلْفٌ أَضَاعُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَاتَّبَعُوا الشَّهَوَاتِ فَسَوْفَ يَلْقَوْنَ غَيًّا

Then, there has succeeded them a posterity who have given up As-Salat (the prayers) [i.e. made their Salat (prayers) to be lost, either by not offering them or by not offering them perfectly or by not offering them in their proper fixed times, etc.] and have followed lusts. So they will be thrown in Hell.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

So the people of sunnah are the ones who are the basis, every other path is a fabrication.

So, I have done nothing but return to the pristine Islam and not dumbly follow people's desire.

You attributing false interpretation to the ayah sir. This is not what it means. The ayah means EXACTLY the way you used to live i:e you abandoned obligations of Islam. You only prayed Eld and once in a while you prayed jumah. The ayah perfectly discribes you. I'm sure during your jahil period as nominal Muslim i was steadfast on Islam.

After you lost in duniya for yrs, you now "found" sunnah while sufis built up Islam in Nigeria that you and your ppl want to destroy. That's interesting. You should realize that you refuted yourself

^^
Lol. ... these officials na crooks

mufutau55:
I wouldn't want any solid iron door for all the rooms.
Some good chinese 70mm steel, nice wooden door like that of Skimanski or good Turkey wooden door will be sufficient. Good Naija wooden doors will ve good too but I hate it when some of them wobbles later.

Hajji M.

I actually want to belief be he meant steel instead of iron. I will ask him again though. I'm not really sabi heavy doors for interior. I might try this Chinese 70mm steel. Looks cool

ikupakuti:
Thats what many people dont get. If I were the dad, once I detect this type of abnormality in the child whether emere or old body in a young body with no any medical explanation or correction, I don know say na dem. I‘ll just go & drop her in a motherless. But parents wont understand, getting emotional especially the mum. What they dont know is that, that child is not really your child but a devilish being that will throw spanner into the wheel of your destiny & once everything gets destroyed she‘ll exit. So, whats the gain ?

This is serious. But we can understand why mother wont want to do this. It will take someone like you to convince her the baby is not hers if she can think of long term consequences

ikupakuti:
dont let the bid‘a crooner here you o or else they‘ll demand for a hadith to support the claim & once you dont have it, the next word is shirk

Lol.... as usual

Ruqya cant work now she‘s not possesed, not two in one but one.[/quote]ha i see. Tha means the baby(human) doesnt exist for short?. The baby is really a jinn