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Chai, are you done?

Your post is very shallow.

And khidr (as) is a prophet? And where is your evidence for that?. We are told only 24 or 25 are mentioned in the Quran.

Yes, I never heard of the word 'sufi' bcus it was not that important. How's that difficult for you to understand? . Yourself, did you ever heard of 'salafism' growing up in the 80s and 90s?. Didn't you all just got accustomed with it in recent yrs?.

I won't doubt the names were in existence . I was only telling you that shuyukh in 20th century practiced Islam with sincerity without name. But today ir is name without sincerity. How do you have hard time understanding this? .

Oh, sufi were ignorant all through the centuries but yet, they taught you tawheed and built up Islam in many parts of the world? . Your are incredible. Sheikh Adam(ra), a sufi built his Markaz in the 50s, was that built on ignorance or you are just clouded by your hate mongering for them?.

All the ilekeu in nija were built mostly by sufi where everyone learned. They were built on ignorance, abi?. I wonder what exactly you people gave us from 1900 till date. Just point me one achievement of salafism in nija, please.

Sheikh adam (ra) waliy agba built his markaz in his 30s. You can hardly find any 30yrs old in Nigeria today who can do that. A 39yr old probably still sleeping on his father couch and getting pocket money.

Anyways, rant all you want. Sufis built Islam in Africa. You also forgot that the same Saudi brought sufisme to Africa. Now they want to get rid of it in exchange for salafism. This is why they are funding one eyed folks that lie to get money from them. I really don't want to address every point you raised in your post above. You seemed to cooked up falsehood with haq. Some of what you said you copied from sheikh mojeed eleha. He said the same. But guess what, he cools off now after realizing his mistakes. When are you going to realize yours?

Alennsar:
what! you say gini?

me no understand "gini"

Hkana:
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Concerning that Qur'an 18vs103-104, I used to be confused/scared about the implication but if you read Verse 105 you'll get a better idea of what the verses are talking about.

yes, I understand the ayah. Just wanted to hear Mr. PAKUti's opinion on it.

Sensei you sef check am na.... Forty straight days. The thing con make me dey ask myself wetin I go use the ruhanniya do sef.... Lol.

at least they can teach you many things, get you fresh food at Allah's mercy, be your guards and ultimately cure the sick if necessary.

Emp.iree, you're very correct. Attaining closeness to Allah is not easy that's why people are looking for easy way out..... I think those short cut folks are the ones those Ayats are talking about..... Using Jinns/blackmagic to "win" people over to Allah/Islam..... And we seek Allah's refuge from such, Amin.

Yes, exactly the ayah might be referring to something like this.

ikupakuti:
You don dey envisage how your neck go take long

No consumption of any living things or whatever comes out of them, like milk, honey, deer musk, eggs, fat, fish, poultry, cray fish, crabs etc

Your food throughout are plants, seeds, grains, vegetables, etc. But if you want fast result stick to berley/wheat & vegetable oil (chin chin, pasta, plain bread ) 250g per day. If you maintain this condition for 40 days while engaging in dhikr of any type day & night (4hrs sleep) with constant ablution, your ruh would have aqcuired the power & status to compel the aerial potencies & you‘ll have the ruhaniyya reduced to your obedience.

At least i can manage pasta and chin chin. I hope fruits are okay like apples, pears, plums, nectarines, carrots etc? I can live with that

@emp.iree, thats one problem with the ruhaniyya & angels, everything is always on conditions. They want you to be like them by force.

Lol... at least they dont give haram conditions. They want for the better. Also this is the ayah one of crooners quoted to condemn any acts or practices not mentioned in the kitab and sunnah Khaf 103-104. I read tafsir of this before where Aisha(ra) narrated that deeds must be done in accordance with Sunnah. So they conclude that all activities mostly done today are bida bcus of these ayat. The guy just cited the ayah again to buttress his point.

Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla once explained the aya briefly contrary to what this guy said.

Hkana:
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Thanks for that..
That one go hard ooo.... The man tried, three months is no mean feat. Hehehe

You see now it is not a joke getting close to Allah. It is not about talk talk and talk. There is no shortcut. This is no magic but hard work.

Newnas:
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Thia is one of the biggest lies I've read today.

lemme remind you of your statement on this forum in your biography of Sheikh Adam Ilory.

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

“My father was a Qaadiriyya Sufi. I started learning the Qur’aan from him. I also started Ilimee (Islamic Sciences) with him, after which I studied under the tutelage of Alfa Esin who was a Tijaaniyah. I learnt with Alfa Umar (Imam of Agbaji, Ilorin) who was a Tijaaniyah.

You see, how Sheikh Adam (an early Sufi scholars in Yorubaland) used the term.

Also, the sheikh wrote a book on sufiyyah: he tried to analyse the history, goals and authenticity of the sect. I can't remember the name of the book but I'm sure he used the word Sufi many times.

I was confused at first trying to figure out what you tried to derive from the his quote. Well, largely, including yourself before you adopted salafism, you did not hear of the most likely. We never used it in my family. The least i heard from dad back then was "wiridi". He would say "awon oni wiridi" to indicate turban alfas. But i didnt even know what he meant by wiridi back then. It seems to be Yoruba name for tasawwuf. Well what i meant is the word "sufi" was that it was not really used as it is used today by every Tom, Dick and Harry. Those 20th century sufis were sincere. They put Allah first and were very patient contrary to many today

Alennsar:
you see according to law bfore claiming dat sum1 is wrong there must be a proof. is dis your proof?

Lol..i havent even posted rebuttal. I was just talking how i felt upon reading his text LOL. I already have some explanations. So i am posting them at my convenience. I am under no obligation.

My earlier post was meant to tell you that no muslim would read op and not condemning the "evidences" he provided as "un islamic" or still remain the the group. But despite, the group keeps growing....goes to show you there is more to op's cheapshot. I will not alter the explanations sent to me to show you that the brother follows this thread secretly.

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My Sheikh i was talking about in other thread few yrs ago said something similar. He lost his ruhaniya capacity and wanted to regain. He fasted for 3 months. According to him without meat and nkan alata (stew/soup) as he put it. He said if he wanted to eat rice, he ate it like that (white rice) without any types of soup and off-course with his intention and requesting his ruhaniya back from Allah.

He lost it completely and every connection was disconnected. Just before he finished he heard "salaam alaikum ya abdullah". Then he warned him against his mistake. Wallahi olun tobi loba ooo This thing is beyond average human comprehension.

Note, fast is just like ramadan. Not go on fasting without a break

As pretty as she's

Fantastic! ! How accurate his prediction

Alennsar:
LOL empi.ree please bring your own proof if it's a copy nd paste note.

Lol....I knew someone would ask. When i saw this thread, common sense tells me this is cheapshot As much as i hate defending group,i know op's intention is to trash sufis altogether. So he thinks once he succeeds this one, he don finish sufism

I already sent his thread to tijani ppl. And a brother who really is a silent NL troll without making comment, a very knowledgeable and humble brother, he already expatiate I decided not to say anything until time is right

The brother was just shaking his head like this op is ignorant and not interested in learning anything. Besides, when i researched his op, i realized he copied it from folk like him , , a saudi looking man who doesnt want to hear anything beyond salafism

ikupakuti:
Sadly they cant return. The “shuyukh“ are the pipers & the endtime people are the payers. If you are not ready to incorporate what they want in whatever you want to sell to them, then you can as well go to hell with it cos they wont patronize you. Na hunger go kill that person. Forget tassawuf, check churches, entertainment, ads, politics, trade etc inshort everything noble in this end hour, you just have to add that touch of satanism to have someone listen to you @least. So, as it stands, if you find your self on the right track in this endtime, just go to one corner & do your thing. But if you say you wanna be heard, be famous, have a say, by doing the right thing then you just started a war you‘ll never win. You‘ll be framed, ridiculed, disgraced & silenced. The odds are just too much! People no longer want the truth but what would please them.

O ga oo. I havent been around. I would imagine a lot have changed. Thank goodness I love privacy with regards to deen anyways. I get to know whats going on through lectures i watch on YouTube. And i prefer those old men's lecture a lot.

The leftists are misguided already, they need guidance themselves, they are the no 1 end time muslims. If you are not ready to marry their crooked ideology without questions, they are not accepting any reform from you.

If not for those miscreants, these ones would not speak ill of tasawwuf. Everything is just messed up. These ones have no adhab in most cases. You are quiet right @hihglighted

Gcaptain tin

Heard his name for the first time actually. Who is Sheikh Muhammad Surui?.

Mohammed Suroor Sabban (1898–1971) was a prominent civil and state leader, politician, economist, publisher, and poet from Hejaz (in the west of modern Saudi Arabia). He was born in Qunfodah, and raised in Mecca.

He was a member of the 'Hejazi National party' which striped the Hashemites crown from Hejaz in 1925. He was the owner and publisher of a significant newspaper in Hejaz: "Sout Al-Hejaz". He established many civil institutes in Mecca in early times, such as; The ambulance cultural society, and Al-Qirsh Society. He also participated in forming Al-Wahda sport club of Mecca.

He was appointed the second minister of finance in the Saudi reign. later he was the head of the Islamic Conference. He is also known as the 'father' of the modern Saudi economy. He embraced the liberal economic values in Saudi Arabia following the work of the Egyptian economic leader Talaat Pasha Harb. He called for collective trade instead of traditional indivisualistic or family based trade. He established dozens of trade, industrial, and financial companies in Mecca and Saudi Arabia.

He established the "Hejazi Library", which was among the first civic publisher houses in Hejaz and the Arabian peninsula. It published Mohammed Hasan Awwad's famous book on reform : 'Khawater Mosarraha' in 1925. Also wrote and published the first modern book in Hejaz : 'Adab Al-Hejaz'. Sabban harbored the modernism movement; he published another famous book supporting the modern young Hejazi poets in Al-Ma'aradd', which is a collection of work by the young modern Hejazis .

You are blocked abdelkabir bcus the robot sensed you were about to type nonesense about the Sheikh, so he blocks you

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This is why i stick to the ESSENCE. I always tell the brothers that but they dont listen. They are only interested in condemning everything as long as your ideology leans towards sufism. Majority in nigeria and Africa have always been sufis but the name was not there back then. I heard the word for the first time in 2010. And from explanation of the sheikh, i discovered i was indeed.

ikupakuti:
You see ? Thats what we are talking about. Majority of these muqadams cant read out & translate a single soofee textbook for you & these do not only claimed to be guided but also trying to guide others why wont madness abound ? They keep staining tassawuf & its pious pioneers with their wantoness.

Now the definition of a soofee sheikh thug is to hang 20 fat tesbih, ability to perform some karama magics, tie large turban, permit the consumption of alcohol & call it “kaothar“, gather muridis miscerants around you & you are good to go. if I tell you what some of these shuyukh thugs engage in, in terms of debaucheries, halaling harams etc you‘ll never want to identify with tassawuf.

Sadly, little can be done. We are in the endtime already. The old good values will continue to decline, it has already been decreed. Q103:1-3.

May God guide us.

Ameen.

Indeed, it has already been decreed. If they can't read out, translate and interpret their text, they are finished. I guess i have to thank my pop then for not identifying us with them. People like you, if able to hold meaningful position within their ranks would make positive impact. Sad enough is the fact that we are living in akhir zaman. We all know many things in the EndTime are just too negative.

The so called murid, i guess they need to return to basics bcus they will continue to shame tasawwuf. I am sure their are good shuyukh among them but they are silenced by these crooks. This why i prefer calling for proper coordination. This is what salafi should have done rather than condemning everything and insulting people.

This is why any reasonable ppl should not take your mockery and jealousy serious. Even Saudi bowed and respected Sheik Niyas (ra). So what you think of him is irrelevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqjDxtVwG-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru8YFPD3T-s

Sounds like some nigerians are jobless


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFpPytxneY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMx89o-d5c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY3MM0-ZVuU

Fake life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oxcIOC7wM8

As painful as it can be to him, he speaks the truth. Their ulama need to rise to coordinate things. Likewise, bida crooners need to curtail silly ppl among them and those insulting sufi shuyuk. In return they insult theirs. Neither is sunnah. This is the way to shape things up

Newnas:
You raised a flimsy but highly misleading excuse for your innovation, I clarified it. you didn't submit
and didn't try to explain further the weakness in my point instead you brought up some other flimsy but highly misleading claim.

This shows that you acknowledged the error in your claims after seeing pepper clarification for your doubts and misguidances. instead of submitting you only try to run from one weak wall of defense to another just like your shia cohort AlBaqir does.

the issue of money stands. It's up to you to tell us which money the people that sahaba traded with used. Nabi (saw) clearly said dinar, durham. This is original money. I admmited bringing up issue of women as evidence but I was wrong.

Your problem is, you all too suspicious someone is upon bida if he or she's ideology leans towards certain sect or madhab. Your wrong. Majority in Africa are sufis but they never called themselves by that until recent years. Myself heard of the name first time in 2010. The name is not important but essence is.

Newnas:
First, you claimed that refuting people is a thing you don't do because you dislike it. Then immediately, you do a refutation of Jabata. This is a big contradiction.

you may have to quote me for this. I believe I said I don't have problems with dialogue so long it is done with wisdom.

The truth is you can't do without refuting, it's a basic necessity for the one who wants to call to good and forbid evil except you want a state of anarchy.

and what has everyone achieved. What has jabata achieved. And the salafi brothers over the yrs everywhere around the world only good at refuting this and that. I told everyone I once shared same ideology but they don't seem to believe me. Now see recent threads by some fellows here amongst your salafi brothers starting from abdulkabir. He used to quote jabata now he's against him. He used to like sheikh abdulmajid eleha. Now he said the man has issues. He used to like and quote ustaz Alaro but I'm surprised to see his post saying he too has issues. And another guy opened a thread declaring Alaro a kafir. Lo ba tan. If that's not anarchy I wonder what it is. Everyone refuting and condemning everything without regulations You think I have time for that?. That was the reason I dumped the ideology. They are busy sticking their nose on irrelevances. Soon they are going to pick on their sheikh sharafadeen. I will sit here and eat popcorn as that happens. It never gets old.

The only thing left is for one to always try to be as objective as possible in his refutation or accepting a refutation by striving to stay in line with the Quran and sunnah according to the understanding of the righteous predecessors in one's refutation.

the problem you ppl have is any activities not known in the time of sahaba, according to you it's bida. That's a crossroad btw you and sufi. Sufis have a more to offer. You have little to none. If not for them, I wonder how Nigeria would look like today. They built up Islam in nija not only through obligatory practices but also through a lot of voluntary ones which you are born to destroy in 21 century. You think those men didn't know what they were doing?. Examples are "walimot", "Quran competetion". You declared walimot bida but the later is sunnah. Why the double standard?. Just bcus saudi favors the later but doesn't involved in former?. Both have no evidence in our primary sources.

secondly,

Jabata is not on the methodology of the righteous predecessors in the issue of innovators. To Jabata, every innovator is in hell forever if he doesn't repent but there's non of the salaf (righteous predecessors) from the Sahabah rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who follow them in goodness that ever claimed this ideology rather it was first known with the khawarij sect.

I'm done with him. I gave him benefits of the doubt but he fell my hands.

Although, Jabata has big deviations and misguidances, I don't agree with the claims of OP regarding Jabata, rather I think they are closer to falsehood than truth.

Finally, I must warn us all against Jabata's methodology, it's not in line with the Quran and sunnah according to the interpretation of the righteous predecessors.

sometimes I wonder what is the difference btw you ppl and him

Tlake:
its becoming a big issue, Christians do not v dis problems much cos of different churches ,pentecostal wont attend cele or Catholic bt God united islam in a different way bt now everything is bid'a,in my mosque there's dix guy is sujud is abnormal,he stretches is body that his chest almost touches d ground..people tried to caution bt his adamant dat its sunnah..

i think d solution should be dialogue with calmness n respect for d religion instead of engaging in abusive words or fights. our sheiks are guilty of dix

they want to insult and ridicule none of their adherent scholars while they expect others to respect theirs. That's not gonna work. .they do not recognize superiority of awliya Allah. Once you differ with them you are tagged misguided and bida even if you don't belong to any faction, they forced you to be either sufi or shia to be able to reign their curses on you.

Copy/paste stuff without proper research?. Chai, you must be really pained by huge turnout in recent maulud in ilorin. A dumb dumb fellow with 10 kobo brain would even know these are off their contents.

well, I am not tijjaniya but dont you think you should ask yourself first before posting copy copy "how could these be when there are great tijani ulama, didnt they see these things?", did they not go through these books?, are they not aware of these things and yet still follow the path?. These are serious questions you should ask yourself before posting

ikupakuti:
http://www.tijani.org/shaykh-al-islam-ibrahim-niasse

Watch it! Even their leaders in makka/saudiya bowed, then.

In addition to what you said the other end, do you know that these bid'a crooners caused problems in NYC that almost got Muslims looking like laughing stock. It was really shameful if not for the timely intervention of Allah. This happened on the day of Eld faah. The day we should be happy. The argument ensued over peanut. It happened just less than 5yrs ago i believe. You know we congregate on Eld and recite "Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar......" collectively or almost collectively. Those people came to join us and started shouting it is bid'a to reciting in unison. So some amongst us rise to challenge them. Before we know it, a beautiful day that was supposed to be happy day in the presence of non-muslims and recent muslim reverts became a nightmare.

I thought it was a joke but it turned out to be serious. They insist it is bida until one of the guest Imams advised them to sit at the separate space and say their dhikr there. When it is time to pray, we all joined lines behind imam. They were so reluctant. I know they were thinking "we cant pray behind alhu-bida". Really, that was shameful day but thanks to Allah for the day.They were making noise that day faah.

Similar was about to happen last Eld fitr when Imam said please, when you come in for Eld, sit down and say ur dhikr to yourself. It is not sunnah to say adkhar unison. He then contradicted himself just few seconds later that "for the purpose of our brothers and sisters who dont know the adkhar, we have 2 brothers who volunteered to lead the congregation and you say after him". Honestly I was quiet and was just looking. I dont even engage them unlike i do here. I just pray and leave since I do my thing privately anyways, i dont have to worry about them. They get people confused man but i am not.

And you all forget that condeming practices that are allowed in Islam or tag them bida is bida itself.

Rashduct4luv:
Bid'ia empire! Na wa o!

Excuse me?. Who instructs you silly people to go out and call people names?. Please desist from calling me by that. Just stop. Is this what your shuyuk teach you by calling muslims names if they differ with you?. How much riyads you got paid?. I know the self proclaimed salafis were paid money to propagate trash in nigeria. I heard their voices one by one before Saudi autority and they are lying about other sect just to get money.

I got one bida shiek for you and his name is Shiekh Albany. When he was asked about calling ourselves (salafis) by muslims? He said "No, you should say we are muslim upon sunna and following understanding of salaf." This indicates that anyone who differs with them is not considered muslim. So tell me where in kitab and sunnah is the definition of muslim came from?. What i see in the Quran is muslim. Anyone who follows Quran, nabi, sahab is a muslim. So where did your sheikh got his definition from?.