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Newnas:
Since you don't ponder on the Quran, let me guide you to it by Allah's permit.

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 82:
وَأَمَّا الْجِدَارُ فَكَانَ لِغُلَامَيْنِ يَتِيمَيْنِ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ وَكَانَ تَحْتَهُ كَنزٌ لَّهُمَا وَكَانَ أَبُوهُمَا صَالِحًا فَأَرَادَ رَبُّكَ أَن يَبْلُغَا أَشُدَّهُمَا وَيَسْتَخْرِجَا كَنزَهُمَا رَحْمَةً مِّن رَّبِّكَ وَمَا فَعَلْتُهُ عَنْ أَمْرِي ذَٰلِكَ تَأْوِيلُ مَا لَمْ تَسْطِع عَّلَيْهِ صَبْرًا

"And as for the wall, it belonged to two orphan boys in the town; and there was under it a treasure belonging to them; and their father was a righteous man, and your Lord intended that they should attain their age of full strength and take out their treasure as a mercy from your Lord. And I did it not of my own accord. That is the interpretation of those (things) over which you could not hold patience."
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

meaning that khadir received revelation from Allah and it was based on the revelation that he acted not some ilm batin.


What clarifies this further is that khadir's actions proved that he was given some knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) and Allah said:

Surah Al-Jinn, Verse 26-27:
عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا

إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا


"(He Alone) the All-Knower of the Gha'ib (unseen), and He reveals to none His Gha'ib (unseen)
Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

So, the fact that khadir Alyhissalam possessed knowledge of the unseen (ghaib) shows that he is a prophet because non is given knowledge of the unseen except a prophet.

Sorry sir. It is a simple question. Was khidr a prophet and did sahaba understand it that way?. Dont try playing smart with "revelation" thing bcus even revelation (of lesser) will continue after nabi(saw) according to his hadith of 46 parts of nabuwa. So just answer my question. Allah clearly indicates His prophets and messangers. So dont give me obscure interpretation like you accused sufi of. Kashf is also a form of "revelation" but not that of nabi. One can not have kashf without Allah's permmision.

Newnas:
As for your claim that the Sufi people taught me Islam and so on.

This is not a proof for you rather it's a proof against you.

Firstly, I lived a life of almost no religion before I began practicing the sunnah. No Islam except Eids and maybe jumuah.

Secondly, even those Sufi sheikhs, who taught them the little Islam that they have erroneously diluted with innovations, isn't it the pious predecessors i.e the sahabah rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who followed them.

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Alhamudulilah for being serious with islam now.

But you can pretend and tried to shift my question. Guess what, I have always been religious from age 5. Taught tawheed at age 5 by my grandpa who was zumra section of sufi. Walahi eyin people yi e mo oore at all. So tell me how you gonna teach me islam when, in fact, you just woke up from your slumber to "sunnah"?. Do you know how my dad was so strict about us praying fard salat?. My grandpa taught almost entire people in the city keu for free and all those great rich men like Balogun subomi (philanthropist) and Bayo Kuku of ijebu. Adekunle Ajasin and many more were taught islam by my grandpa who was sufi. Iya to ma je eyin salafi kids yi nbo lono.

Walahi, i am not taking you people serious. I thank God you confessed you used to be nominal muslim. I am and was always a devoted muslim. So keep ranting about sufis are ignorant. I know that trash is coming from paid salafis-saudi stooges. I listen to their nonsense all the time. Anyways, you really make my day for saying you were never serious about islam. You only prayed eld and jummah. But if i missed prayer, my father would beat the holy crap out of me. Now, all of a sudden you found sunnah?. Fantastic!. I know bunch of other cohorts of yours used to be like you.

I am telling you again that i have always been religious. Got scared if i missed salat. Thats how i was trained. So you want to teach me islam now?. Go ahead sir. I did not learned directly from Sheikh Adam(ra) but i learned from his students. The very same day the Sheikh passed away in 92, we were in class and we closed early to honor him. I always came 2nd in regular exams and first on any competitions throughout my ile-keu. So teach me what i dont know sir. All you people just copy copy on internet and you call that "knowledge"? haba!

And since you claimed you "follow" sahaba, can you tell us if sahaba understood khidr(as) a prophet?. You are really a "one eyed" fellow.

Run along sir

Thank you but the verses you quoted can be thown right back at you

Newnas:
Firstly, you should seek Allah's forgiveness for saying what you have no knowledge of.
I wrote this post myself and it's a very brief summary of my knowledge of sufiyyah.

Allah says:

Surah Al-Isra, Verse 36:
وَلَا تَقْفُ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ إِنَّ السَّمْعَ وَالْبَصَرَ وَالْفُؤَادَ كُلُّ أُولَٰئِكَ كَانَ عَنْهُ مَسْئُولًا

And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. one's saying: "I have seen," while in fact he has not seen, or "I have heard," while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah).
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

Surah An-Najm, Verse 28:
وَمَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا يُغْنِي مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَيْئًا

While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

If you want to insist that what you claimed about the post being copy and paste is truly correct then present the source I copied from!

If not then I recite this verse unto you:

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 24:
فَإِن لَّمْ تَفْعَلُوا وَلَن تَفْعَلُوا فَاتَّقُوا النَّارَ الَّتِي وَقُودُهَا النَّاسُ وَالْحِجَارَةُ أُعِدَّتْ لِلْكَافِرِينَ

But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

You all speak ill of a man that passed away some 40yrs. You talk trash about sufis that brought you up. You consider them not knowledgeable yet they opened schools and madrasas throughout the country. Could ignorant people open schools and teach students?. What is that if that's not knowledge?. Truly, you might not copied this nonsense you wrote but it is same tone, same wordings same allegations brought forth by some of your shuyik and ustaz. I listened to their trash on Youtube.

Let me tell you something, eran(meat) awon waliy, eewo ni. Their meat is tabboo for anyone who speaks ill of them. Meaning, they are not to be mocked. Let's take Sheikh Niyas(ra) for example. I am not aware of his contemporaries that called him "alhu bid'a". Sheikh Adam(ra), Sheik Kamal(ra) and all those shuyuk in Nigeria, west africa and north africa, none of them spoke ill of this man, yet, you people who i consider his great great grandsons and daughters are here in 2017 to tell us he was misguided?. Dont you think that's very odd and silly?. Why do you think i should take you people serious if great shuyukh did not takfir Sheikh niyas?. So kindly show me unanimous negative opinion of the Sheikh.

^^

You paranoid?. You haven't give us your evidence how Khidr was a prophet. And yet, you want to dabble in a book you understand not @ Rash?

mufutau55:
Many people install burglary before windows to safe-guard their materials inside. Although it's good to make things easy for him.
So not sure what your Builder is trying to proof, it's your money.

Hajji M.

you see when i told my cousin about descriptions of doors i want, I only suggested quality iron doors and gate for all main entrances. I said but all inside doors should be wood. He was like "hell no. everything iron all through"

have to believe him unfortunately cus he lives there. He knows how nija looks like. Honestly i hate burglary stuff but seems we got no choice even if we fence the house. SAD

Side of the house

mufutau55:
N110,000 per casement window? What size?
My widest windows are 6ft x 4ft (1,800x1200) for N85k which includes customized designed Burglary
not the straight iron type and Net and I had about 37 windows made, big money o.
Contact me by email, so I can send you contact person. Did you also contact Muyesky for quotes?
My quality material will be Tower Aluminium, other people may vary.

Hajji M.

don't know the size but this is the picture see if you can figure it out.

My windows seem to be 33 total. According to the quote, it is exactly as the one you sent me cus I forwarded your sample to him plus it comes with net.

It is my cousin handling my project and he has been doing good job bcus I took the job from so called contractor who did nothing but collected money. But since my cousin got his hands on it, the project went on faster than i can imagine. I know he would add his little stuff but I'm not bothered.

But this quote is a little too heavy the way i see it. I'm not concluding to do it yet. Just want to hear your view.

Really yours 37 that's almost 3m right there

Abdulbsd:
wallahi Inyass wannan bai isammasa ya kubuta a wannan tarko ba, dalili : dole ne tun farko, da yasan da irin wannan 6araka, ya yi duk mai yiyuwa ya kauda ita. Amma bai yi hakan ba, zai fadi haka yana tunanin ku6uta ? Akwai maganganu da aka rawaito daga gareshi da wadan da aka rawaito daga al-majiran sa, wadan da kare ma ba ya tauna ba. In kanaga mu baje su a nan sai mu fara. Gamu kusa ga Jawahiril ama'ani wa bulugul ma'ani. Littafi da ya tara nau'i daban-daban na shirka, wanda kuma mai gidan Inyass ne yai authorizing dinsa wato Tijjani.

Sir, this is internet and the whole world is reading this. If you can not type language i can understand, kindly stop quoting me. Besides, if you are here to criticize a 20 century sheikh, it is definitely not your type to do so. You are a young kid in 2017 castigating 20th century scholar. Don't you think that's odd?. The ONLY people i may listen to are his contemporaries. But none of them rebuked his works. The Sheikh was even honored in Arabia. So who is Abdulbsd?. Perhaps, you haven't travelled out of his cave and experience life?


If it's all about his book jawahiril amani, that's something you need to go to scholars for. Not everyone that reads Quran understand's it if that's what you basing your judgement on. Many scholars are critisized one way or the other for contents in their books. Ibn Taymiyah(ra) is not left out. So go and educate yourself and stop forcing your criticisms down my throat.

mufutau55:
Why not. Its for goodness of everyone o.

Hajji M.

Do you remember sending me window casement with burglary a while back, is #110,000 good price per one?. As in quality materials

"Oro Idile"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-Okkmxfzo

emekaRaj:
He said this baby u ar seeing here is exactly 98 yrs old woman, she enters the babies mothers stomach around 12 pm wen the mother was going to the market. The jinn was so precise.

See that?....some of the Yoruba tales are true. They used to warn pregnant women from walking outside in a very hot sun. And also walking in the middle of the road. This is a serious case for poor baby. I dont know why ruqyat done on her did not work.

Good to have sound Iman. Sometimes some people need reality to bring their senses to order.

This Young Security man returns customer's 10,000USD. See amazing end result for his sincerity. He got more than his returns


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DTkmD8pm7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WRZldKTAfs

FriendNG:
Do we need holy spirit to understand them.

Or Do we need inspiration via dream to understand them.

You don't want to post them because you know it is all the samething. The explanation is still confirming what Abdelkabir posted.


And again I am kneeling down to beg you, stop lying. That issue on salatul Fati was never ever decoded. Pls show me wia u have ever decode it.

I hope you understand he copied it and the same thing is transmitted over and over on the net from one corner to another to get attention but no one is giving them

Isoke, I like having you guys around cus you boost my energy when you talk . No sir you don't need "holy spirit" for anything here. What you need is your God given brain

I discovered that some of your scholars understand some of them but they chose to turn to the other side

It is crazy and scary when your contractor starts adding up cost of windows and doors . Chest beats faster than as if one is being confronted by wild animal

^^

Lol. ..you still on fatih despite "6000" phrase has been decoded for you many times? . I wont even waste my time with you. Honestly, you friendgn, you are difficult to converse with. I don't know how you reason. It is very annoying.

Did I tell you this is hadith?. Was simply saying the phrases are coded just like we read solitary ahadith that seem to challenge our curiousity. You see why those sufis don't like discussing with you people?. You are literalists and that just too boring.

Anyways, as I have said before, I already have some of the content in the op decoded. I'm absolutely under no obligation to post them. I will let you all talk nonesense some more. I will post them at my convinience not at yours.

^^

Yes they are mostly valid except for#1 which is twisted. But you don't think all these are out of context? Just like we have some solitary ahadith that got our eyes rolling until we look for tafsir of them?

All those great ulama were misguided bcus of these? you think they didn't see these texts?. What op did is exactly what non-Muslims do to Islamic texts.

Actually I like the way they are coded. It challenges my curiosity. So i have got some of them decoded for me

emekaRaj:
3

From your #3 post shows that we have more unseen around us apart from Raqib and Atid (Kirama Katibeen) on our shoulders in addition to qarin. Plus ruhaniyun (which depends on levels of spirituality). According to my pap, ruhaniyun are second to malaikat (in rank). Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla same something similar, that ruhaniyun are malaika 'felefele' (light) usually parade waliy. Malaika wuwo(heavy) are for ambiya wali mursalin

Walahu Alam

HIDDEN LESSONS FROM THE RISE AND FALL OF MUSLIM SPAIN

Shaykh Abdullah Hakim Quick

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This man was really having fun here

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Alennsar:
[s]now I know who Empi.ree is "a great hypocrite" you said it bfore but now have confirmed it.

and mind you emp.iree don't quote me[/s].

Noted....as long as i'm not God's hypocrite your opinion is meaningless. You can overlook their inconsistencies all you want

ikupakuti:
No. I wasnt refering to your post. You said it was an empty mail, so i re-sent this afternoon. Did you see it ?

I re-read ur mail. That makes sense. I seem to get what you said. Looks like it is the same with what my pop used to do when he wanted to raise foundations of his houses. He prayed on a small piece and then covered it with mixed concrete before bricklayers arrived. He did the same at deck level again. He says this is in reference to what nabi Ibrahim (as) did while raising foundation of Kaaba.

So I'm I right with reference to your email? . If so, then, Islam is beautiful. The bida crooner doesn't understand.He really twisted it. Anyways he copied it from Internet so he's guilty-free except for his sentiments.

ikupakuti:
No. I wasnt refering to your post. You said it was an empty mail, so i re-sent this afternoon. Did you see it ?

oh my bad. I see what you saying. I did receive another one @8:40AM my time today. That's probably it.

Shukran

ikupakuti:
I‘ve resent, did you see it ?

Lol...i said "I SENSED".

Of Course i saw ur email early this morning

ikupakuti:
You don dey fear ni ? What if I tell you I have stayed over 6 months while observing those conditions ? In short i cant count the number of times i‘ve observed those rules. All the experiences i‘ve being gisting of & the ones i‘ve not being gisting of, where did you think they came from ? Books ? Lols

Lol, i sensed this

Those are the conditions of khalwa (spiritual retreat) which is a necessary excercise in tassawuf but not necessarily to subdue the spiritual beings but to cleanse/purify the ruh to return to its original state as it were before it got infused into the body, in order to attain ma‘rifa. In a regular setting, you‘ll need 4 consequtive 40days (160days) in that condition to acheive that feat...but the spiritual light you‘d have acquired in the first 40, is enough to compel the obedience of the spiritual entities.

Haq

Where is kazlaw2000 self. Havent seen him in months. He might be interested this thread

Op,

The ONLY WAY you can successfully refute sufi "lack of knowledge" according to your copy paste is to SINCERELY answer this question. Just ONE question. If you answer it sincerely, your op is crumbled and refuted. That's, you refute yourself.

Here is my question


In a sufi populated Nigeria, with bunch of sufi scholars, and especially growing up in the 80s and 90s, could you please tell us who taught you (newnas) Islam up until you adopted outlandish ideology?

Thank You

Rashduct4luv:
lakum deenukum waliyadeen

Exactly....it is always like that when you are refuted.

You cant bring QalaAllahu QallaRosul to prove Khidr was a prophet. Yet, you tag others "innovators" for the very same thing you just did. Abeg, siddon for a side if you can't defend your point.

So back to you too....

Lakum Deenukum Waliyadeen

LOl @ola,

I am not responding to op, I am responding to you. It's possible to see prophet Muhammad(SAW) in a true dream

^^^

Laa go melo?. In 2017 Khidr is now prophet?

How many prophets are there in the Quran now?. I am surprised you did not quote your famous scholars like Sheikh Albani, Ibn Baz, Uthaymeen, Fawzan and so on to buttress your point. Why quoting strange view just to back up your brother's claim?. What you posted suggests that you stretched the meaning of prophethood, something you people accused sufis and shias of.

Well, let me tell you that there are some people who also claim nana Maryam umm Isa(as), was also a prophet bcus she got orders too from Allah. If Khidr was a prophet, how about Dhul-Qarnayn (Surat al-Kahf (surah 18), verses 83-101)?. You are really quoting me strange tafsir. Now let me tell you what you don't get. He is not a prophet yet he taught a prophet. If you want to claim bcus Allah called him His servant, isn't the same word used for pious muslims as well?. What khidr had was Kashf (Arabic: كشف‎‎). A powerful kashf.

Kashf "unveiling" is a Sufi concept rooted in Gnostic ideals dealing with knowledge of the heart rather than of the intellect. ... In Sufism, an even further revelatory capacity exists by which the Divine mysteries become readily apparent to the seeker through the light of knowledge of God. So Khidr(as) was a mystery. Just bcus we use alaiysalaam for him doesn't make him one. Just like we use alaiy salaam for Jibril.

Sorry, try harder again. It is that kashf the sufis (waliy) have. Newnas wrote nonsense up there saying that they (sufis) claim they reached level of prophethood. Now you dont have to accept this explanation of mine. Let me tell you that encounter btw nabi Musa(as) and Khidr(as) was symbolism. Such a prophet of Allah that Allah spoke directly to, would not know(already) what Khidr taught him?. We say no. We say that the encounter was meant to send message to ignorant people in akhir zaman. You know the ignorants right?. Today, they are people who ascribe "knowledge" to themselves. Call them salafis if you want.


Khidr symbolizes internal knowledge while Musa(as) symbolizes external reality. In another word, Musa (as) only believed in knowledge that is externally observed (zahir) while Khidr (as) believes also in knowledge internally received. This trashes salafi nonsense that there is no internal knowledge (ilm batin). Both must be combined to form harmonious whole. Alfa agba, waliy olohun, Sheikh Adam Abdullahi al-ilory(ra) said 'there are those who only pursue knowledge outwardly and reject other part of the knowledge(batin)."

So reference cited by newnas that Sufis used is very correct. It is not ignorance. He is ignorant.

Let's read what tabi'in has to say about this.


Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)

Imam Malik (r) said, “Whoever studies jurisprudence (fiqh) and didn’t study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn’t study jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth.” This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar ‘Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of jurisprudence, vol. 2, p. 195.

See that?. His statement describes exactly fake sufis and salafi altogether. Those sufis in 20th century in nigeria combined both. I combined both or you think i dont have formal education in islamic studies?. You must be dreaming.


Let's read from another tabi'in

Imam Shafii (150-205 H./767-820 CE)

Imam Shafii said, “I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:

they taught me how to speak
they taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.
they guided me in the ways of Sufism.”
This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam ‘Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.



Another one


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)

Imam Ahmad (r) said, advising his son, “O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.” This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.

Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, “I don’t know any people better than them.”



Yet another one


Imam al-Qushayri (d. 465 H./1072 CE)

Imam al-Qushayri said about Sufism, “Allah made this group the best of His saints and He honored them above all of His Servants after His Messengers and Prophets, and He made their hearts the secrets of His Divine Presence and He chose them from among the Nation to receive His Lights. They are the means of humanity. He cleaned them from all connections to this world, and He lifted them to the highest states of vision. And He unveiled to them the Realities of His Unique Oneness. He made them to observe His Will operating in them. He made them to shine in His Existence and to appear as Lights of His Lights.” [ar-Risalat al-Qushayriyya, p. 2]


You want more? I got more.

So, fact is, sufis are your predecessors. Your shuyukh are just wailing. There are a lot they understand not. They invented bid'a by takfiriing anything sufis do in kitab and sunnah as bida. They only believe in what they see. Anything besides that is "bid'a in their dico. Imagine one of your Shuyukh said chanting Allah's Names and Attributes and salams on the prophet(SAW) as done by sufis is bid'a?. Dont you think his statement is also bid'a?.

NONSENSE!!!


Let me knock it off with this


Ibn Khaldun (733-808 H./1332-1406 CE)

Ibn Khaldun said, “The way of the Sufis is the way of the Salaf, the Scholars among the Sahabah, Tabi'in, and Tabi'in at-Tabi'in. Its origin is to worship Allah and to leave the ornaments of this world and its pleasures.” [Muqaddimat ibn Khaldun, p. 328]

I think I should quote this in case you decide to erase it

Newnas:
They based this principle on the fact that Khadir asked Musa not to ask him any questions. But they are ignorant of the fact that Khadir is a prophet and thus received revelations. But their sheikhs were not.

This is your bida.

Not bida actually, rather a lie against Quran. I'm waiting for your evidence. And also kindly provide revealed Holy Book to khidr. I want to see that.