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tintingz:
OK, why is punishment for adultry here different (Quran 4:25) from (Quran 24:2)?

In (Quran 24:2) some even add stoning to thier interpretation like Mohsin khan.


Are you saying interpretation don't differ? Was the Quran originally written with marks?

My own argument is, various Quran versions existed during Uthman era.


Yusuf Ali, picktall etc are all interpretation versions, arabic Quran is one but why do we see different interpretations and tafsir(exegesis) everywhere?

Case Closed @bolded. If you believe Quran in Arabic is One, nothing else to say. Besides, those ayat you cited, the former doesnt mentioned precise punishment. So now there is noting to talk about. You have given "version" a whole new meaning by citing translations and interpretations as versions of Quran. My concern all along was Arabic Quran. Any other languages is not Quran. They are rather the meanings of it . So let me give you exmple of versions of Quran. I think i said this before.Say for instance you have your Quran (in Arabic) and you open sura Imran Ayah 85, it reads


وَمَنْ يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الْإِسْلَامِ دِينًا فَلَنْ يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ and then, you have another Quran (in Arabic from Malaysia and you open the same sura Imran ayah 85, then, it missing or there is another content there different fromt he former, then that's malaysia version of Quran becuase the content is different. That's what you are unable to prove all along. That's what I am looking for. You can use english other other laguages translation as proof of different versions. Quran is in Arabic as Quran itself righty said


إِنَّآ أَنزَلْنَٰهُ قُرْءَٰنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ

"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people may understand / use reason" (Q12:2)


As someone rightly commented online on this same issue. She said: "We today have different accents in arabic .. each country arabic country has a accent that is a little bit different then the other country but we all speak arabic (it's just like australia, england and USA they all speak english but different accent right ? the same here)"

Again, which Quran version differ during Uthman era ehn?

Since you have agreed Quran is ONE in Arabic as revealed, CASE CLOSED

If it was about dialect, why did Uthman have problem with it? This didn't happen during Prophet Muhammad time nor Abu Bakr time why Uthman era?

Dialects or not, Quran is Arabic Quran and you agreed it is ONE version everywhere in the WORLD. CASE CLOSED

Quran need interpretation to understand it verses.

No one disputes this. Interpretation or translation are not versions

Lol, have you read Hebrew bible before? You said Quran Arabic text never changes, that's the same for Hebrew bible.

So where did they get the idea of Moses buried himself as written in their Hebrew book?. Does that sounds like it was written by Moses?.Obviously that was changed or rewritten by some fellas. In case you dont understand what I am saying, it is in the Deuteronomy 34:5-7 and they even said God came down and buried Moses. Does that sound like revelation by God to you?. I smell blasphemy there.

Is English bible?

Do they have Gospel or Bible as preached by Jesus (in Jesus language)?. For as long as they dont have that, English is Bible. The more you can say is Greek bible. This is another version on its own bcuz there are some information in Greek bible that are missing in many English versions they have today.

Can original bible in it language be changed?

Which one is "Original Bible"? Does it even exist?. If it is kindly bring it forward.

You are incredible

tintingz:
OK, why is punishment for adultry here different (Quran 4:25) from (Quran 24:2)?

In (Quran 24:2) some even add stoning to thier interpretation like Mohsin khan.


Are you saying interpretation don't differ? Was the Quran originally written with marks?

My own argument is, various Quran versions existed during Uthman era.


Yusuf Ali, picktall etc are all interpretation versions, arabic[b] Quran is one[/b] but why do we see different interpretations and tafsir(exegesis) everywhere?

Case Closed @bolded. If you believe Quran in Arabic is One, nothing else to say. Besides, those ayat you cited, the former doesnt mentioned precise punishment. So now there is noting to talk about. You have given "version" a whole new meaning by citing translations and interpretations as versions of Quran. My concern all along was Arabic Quran. Any other languages is not Quran. They are rather the meanings of it . So let me give you exmple of versions of Quran. I think i said this before.Say for instance you have your Quran (in Arabic) and you open sura Imran Ayah 85, it reads


وَمَنْ يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الْإِسْلَامِ دِينًا فَلَنْ يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ and then, you have another Quran (in Arabic from Malaysia and you open the same sura Imran ayah 85, then, it missing or there is another content there different fromt he former, then that's malaysia version of Quran becuase the content is different. That's what you are unable to prove all along. That's what I am looking for. You can use english other other laguages translation as proof of different versions. Quran is in Arabic as Quran itself righty said


إِنَّآ أَنزَلْنَٰهُ قُرْءَٰنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَّعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ

"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people may understand / use reason" (Q12:2)


As someone rightly commented online on this same issue. She said: "We today have different accents in arabic .. each country arabic country has a accent that is a little bit different then the other country but we all speak arabic (it's just like australia, england and USA they all speak english but different accent right ? the same here)"

Again, which Quran version differ during Uthman era ehn?

Since you have agreed Quran is ONE in Arabic as revealed, CASE CLOSED

If it was about dialect, why did Uthman have problem with it? This didn't happen during Prophet Muhammad time nor Abu Bakr time why Uthman era?

Dialects or not, Quran is Arabic Quran and you agreed it is ONE version everywhere in the WORLD. CASE CLOSED

Quran need interpretation to understand it verses.

No one disputes this. Interpretation or translation are not versions

Lol, have you read Hebrew bible before? You said Quran Arabic text never changes, that's the same for Hebrew bible.

So where did they get the idea of Moses buried himself as written in their Hebrew book?. Does that sounds like it was written by Moses?.Obviously that was changed or rewritten by some fellas. In case you dont understand what I am saying, it is in the Deuteronomy 34:5-7 and they even said God came down and buried Moses. Does that sound like revelation by God to you?. I smell blasphemy there.

Is English bible?

Do they have Gospel or Bible as preached by Jesus (in Jesus language)?. For as long as they dont have that, English is Bible. The more you can say is Greek bible. This is another version on its own bcuz there are some information in Greek bible that are missing in many English versions they have today.

Can original bible in it language be changed?

Which one is "Original Bible"? Does it even exist?. If it is kindly bring it forward.

Demmzy15:
No wonder!!!!

Awon omo jegbo de for Jamaica plenty. Thats y America banned visa lottery there

tintingz:
I've never lived in Jamaica.

maybe i misread you in this post some months back.

tintingz:
Jamaica.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aRmSHroFCQ

tintingz:
Lol, I don't stay in Jamaica.

you back n forth?

tintingz:
Interpretations can lead to different version, e.g some Quran interpretation differ like the case of adultery, some interpretation said flog fornicators, some said adultery some said both, adultery is different from fornication but sharia-men will say punishment for adultery is stoning to death because hadith said so that the Quran was talking about fornication. You can see how things differ.

No no no. I see what your problem is. I think you need to properly define VERSION. Interpretation can not change the text. Version however is what we are dealing with here. Example of interpretation is in sura Maiha ayah 51. The arabic text is the same but if text is different that's VERSION. But understanding (interpretation) may differ. This is where Quran is different from Bible. Bible texts have been changed.

They are Islamic sites.
All my quotes are all from Islamic sites, so that you won't say I'm quoting from anti-Islamic site.

Doesnt matter. There understanding maybe limited

Like have said, I get what you're saying clearly, not disputing, what I'm saying is, dialects can lead to different interpretation and will lead to versions, there was no marks on original Quran.

Unfortunately it hasnt. We still have different dialects as I have already highlighted. If there is change in TEXT, that's VERSION. Accent or dialect is not. So a man pronouncing "ka" as "ga" doesnt change the intended meaning of the verse.

This is was what Uthman prevented from happening, unfortunately it is happening.

No, nothing is happening. You are confusing interpretation with version. For instance, there is a hadith where nabi(SAW) talked river Euphrates will uncover "black gold". That is TEXT. But muslims understand it different. There different understanding doesnt change text. Some muslim believe a time will come when "black gold" will be uncovered. Some say "black gold" is symbolism for oil. Neither of them change the original text.

Yes, and Allah open his(Abu Bakr) heart to do it. Where did Allah open Uthman heart to rewrite the Quran and burn the other copies?

Again, it is by Allah's Wisdom what Uthman Ibn Affan did.

You haven't provide any evidence Uthman didn't gave law on blasphemy.

As i said before, it is onus on you to provide evidence that Uthman must have suppressed "other versions of Quran" by using Sharia law to force his way on them because he was the authority.

Lol, the ones Uthman burnt nko? Are they story books?

Again, what he burnt were dialect other than that which Quran was revealed (Quraishy dialect)

Please what does this hadith word means "Muslims differ over the book like Jews and Christians"?

this could mean TRANSLATIONS of the meaning (tafsir), INTERPRETATIONS (tawil). This has nothing to do with versions.

You still arguing that there were no versions of Quran during Uthman era.

None unless you can provide EVIDENCE. Your ONLY evidence is by brining another Quran DIFFERENT from the one we have. No assumptions.

I've giving you example on Quran interpretation that differ.

There will always be differences in interpretation but ALL muslims agree to TEXT of Qur'an

I've provided hadith evidence, what else do you want?

It proves nothing but hearsays

Lol, it is still interpretations, the original Hebrew Bible didn't use "She" instead "He", Queen James bible version was written to support homosexuality since the original bible is full of sexist, misogyny passages.

I dont need to say more. This post of yours proves it is another version

Some Yusuf Ali interpretation may differ from Picktall.

No, you should rather say translation. Translation of one may be better than other. Translation is use of word. Below is example of translations


Surah 8: 12

Pickthall: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.

Yusuf Ali: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

First all, English is not Quran. So buy a Quran from Saudi and compare with the one you have in Nigeria. The arabic text is the same but translations in to another language is CHOICE OF WORDS. Now, from both translation, there is no difference. This is different from Bible versions which use SON and SERVANT in the same verse.

Who told you they have no Quran to back it up? Why did they have Gay scholars, are the scholars there has figure head? Go and read about them

You still dont get it. Anyone can say anything but they cant change the text. Besides, I will like to hear what verse of Quran they use to backup their madness. Being Scholar doesnt prove anything. Hadith already told us about End Time Scholars

Gay bible was also influenced by their environment.

Thats version bcus they created it to fit their whims. But a Muslim can not created another version of Quran to suit his or her desires. See the difference?. A muslim can only twist (interpret its meaning) verse of Quran but can not change the text.[/quote]Lol, What about Quran verse Allah said if He will he leaves people astray, if he will he guides them, another verse said any wrong doing is from yourself not from Allah. There is another verse Allah said he created man from dust and another verse said from a drop?[/quote]ha ha... this you are talking about different verse and different context. This is a matter of tafsir. Different from Bible verses. The bible verses are talking about same individual the way he died.

vedaxcool:
lol someone cannot throw a can in peace again,

I like the African guy. He didnt take nonsense from whities

udatso:
Rabiushile04 abdelkabir demmzy15 empiree albaqir. tintingz sino
Rilwayne01 please do any of you reside in lagos? I really need help with something. If you don't, please let me know of any other brother here that does.

Oh no, sorry. I dont. I thought tintingz lives in Jamaica

Ssthorm:
Hahahhahaha...dese guys r soo sooo hilarious #NoChill

Lool

tintingz:
Interpretations, other copies, versions, all fall under something. Maybe I should say other version copies, that will be clearer.

not at all. These can not be the same. Verses can be INTERPRETED but will not change the text. VERSIONS are examples I gave about bible. That changed their text.

Many people during the time of `Uthman had their own explanatory notes in their personal copies of the Qur’an. Others had written down portions of the Qur’an themselves. In order to prevent any future issues of explanatory notes being considered as part of the Qur’an or arguments due to a mistake on the part of the writer – claiming that he has something of the Qur’an which others do not have – these old copies were burnt.
http://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/32699

^^ People were writing the Quran in their views(versions), which follows the hadith that said "they differ over the book like Jews and Christians" and this also follow my argument.

Don't know why you chose to stick to islamqa on this one. They are not too vast.

The Quran was revealed in seven style(version) according a sahih hadith.


You should note, may Allaah bless you, that the Qur’aan was revealed in one style at the beginning, but the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) kept asking Jibreel until he taught him seven styles, all of which were complete. The evidence for that is the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas who narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven narrated (narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3047; Muslim, 819)

The Quran was revealed in seven style, the Prophet(SA) read one style because he was from that tribe but he never burnt nor order his followers to burn them.

Styles doesn't equal to versions. Qur’an is still recited in different styles today. Compare Arabia recitation to Nigerian Adhabi like sheikh Adam Abdullah ilori or the way old people recite QURAN in Nigeria. They pronunced every word all the way but arabs shorten the pronunciations. For instance, if a verse ends with "MI", "KI" etc as written in the Qur’an, yoruba adhabi and maybe Markazi pronunce it EXACTLY like that. But Arab pronounce it like M, K,. That's their dialect but doesn't change the meaning. So if ARABS pronunce 'asga' instead of 'aska' as revealed, doesn't change the meaning.

You can't compare the compilation with burning of Quran copies, Abu Bakr was even scared to compile the Quran because the Prophet(SA) didnt do it(even tho I find it ridiculous in hadiths for the Prophet not to have compiled it during his time instead it was scattered) until Allah opened Abu Bakr heart to do it, Uthman in the other hand burnt something revealed to the Prophet without no revelation.

this is nothing. Abu Bakr simply didn't want to do it bcus he considered it bidaah.

Penalty for blasphemy is death just like apostasy, you can Google it and see fatwas on blasphemers.

There is a hadith about someone killed for blasphemy.

unless you have evidence that Uthman killed those people is the only way your argument may be considered

Uthman is the Islamic spiritual leader of his time, what he says is final and besides the other copy of Quran where NOT officially published and distributed, there is no hadith that said the other versions of Quran spread to nations.

it simply means there were no other "versions". If you sue someone to court for stealing your money, judge needs PROOF or EVIDENCE to substantiate your claim. If you tell the judge that your evidence is at home, judge considers such as NO EVIDENCE. So you have no evidence but assumptions.

I understand you clearly here but there is NO revelation that command Uthman to burn the versions.

this is irrelevant. We have no revelations before we do some things today like wolimot a quran, quran competetion etc. Uthman simply used his qiyas and ijtihad which are parts of Islamic fiqh

And from our arguements, it shows there were versions of Quran that existed during Uthman era.

No, you are unable to prove it. Again, VERSION is when you bring together two or more different Qur’an with EXACT opposite of each other. Like for instance, sura fathia, you have your quran in Nigeria and it says

"All praise and thanks due to Allah...." but you have another Quran from America and in the same verse it says "All praise and thanks due to the messanger".

This is called different versions which you are unable to prove. But I proved this from the bible when I used Acts of Apostles as a case study.

Lol, do you know dialect can turn to versions?

no. As I cited two Arabian quran reciters the way they pronunce 'ga' instead of 'ka', they know the meaning doesn't change. It is their tongue just like I cited Google.

Dialects can result to different translations and interpretations which prompt Uthman to burn them because Muslims were differing like Christians and Jews. You can see it falls under same thing.

again, in the absence of evidence, claims, arguments, assumptions are null and void.

You need to provide the claim 50 versions you're talking about, maybe you're mistaken with interpretations, we have different interpretation of Quran as well like Picktall, Yusuf Ali etc.

in a bible where HE is used but edited in another bible and replaced with SHE is not just translation. That's VERSIONS. That's different from translation of Yusuf Ali and others.

You talked about gay bible that support homosexuality, there are gay Muslim communities in France as well with their mosque if you don't know, now which Quran are they reading to support thier homosexuality?

those Muslims are gay base on influence on them by their environment. They have no Qur’an backup.

You Are Still Unable To Establish Evidence Of Various Versons of Qur’an. YOU ONLY MADE UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS.

Another evidence of bible VERSION is the death of Judas. Iscariot. Matthew 27:5 says he died by hanging. But Act 1:18 says he fell and bursted. This are different VERSIONS which I'm expecting you to bring about Qur’an. You are unable to do so. So the above shows Judas's death is not translation problems but VERSIONS.

Can You Do The Same With Quran by comparing Nigeria and Saudi Qur’an?. I'm waiting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN9mFEjyXV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN9mFEjyXV4

tintingz:
The same way Jews and Chriatian differ was the same way muslims during Uthman era are differing over Quran. Even today Muslims differ in interpretation of the Quran.

Ehnn, so it is now "interpretation". Make up your mind brother. Quran will ever be interpreted WITH TIME. But not version.

Follow the sunnah, did Prophet Muhammad (SA) burnt any of the seven style revealed by Jibril? Did he tell his followers to burn any version of the Quran?

The way it was necessary for him and his predecessors to write down Quran and order his compilation. The prophet (saw) did not order any companions to compiled Quran. But by Divine Plan, Allah already portrayed Quran as "A BOOK" which means that was Divine plan. So Uthman(ra) being leader at the time is compelled to compiled the Quran ONLY in the dialect it was revealed. If he had allowed others to compiled it the way they pronounced the words and phrases, it would be very problematic now. I will give you example subsequently.

What's the punishment for blasphemy in sharia?

How relevant this is?. There is no SPECIFIC hudud for this from Quran. And from the hadith, there is no ijma either. Opinions only vary.

It seems you don't get it, I've told you that the Uthmantic Quran exist today because it was published publicly and distributed to lands just like every other novel books existing today and secondly Muslims are to obey the Islamic leaders.

But other copies have spread before he ordered that they should be burnt. They no longer exist textually and theoretically today (Quran) but the tribes and dialects are. If they were other versions, they would have exist today without doubt.


So here is example and this is your homework. Go to YouTube and listen to surah Kahf by Sheikh Sudais and Sheikh Salah Bukhatir. When you reach verse 19 (where it say "ayuha aska"), stop and replay it repeatedly from both shuyukh. Quraishi dialect is "aska" which Quran was revealed. But other dialect like aforementioned Shuyukh produce is like "asga"

Smae applies to other arab tribe still exist today. If they should all have written down Quran the way they pronounced the words, we would have different versions. But Sayyidina Uthman(ra) disregarded other dialect for Quraishi in which Quran was revealed. If he had allowed others to compiled Quran, by now, we would have in the same aya different versions "ayuha aska" and "ayuha asga"

But if a nigerian recite the same aya, he/she will pronounce "aska" as written in the Quran. So it is obvious it is about dialect that Uthman battled not version. If he had allowed other dialect to be compiled, aska and asga would have gave us different meanings today.

Hence, different versions. Btu unfortunately that's not the case. May Allah have mercy on Sayyidina Uthman. Ameen

So go and do this homework before you comment. Imagine if Uthman had allowed other dialects to be recorded, they would have been a lot that would completely changed the meaning. I only used surah kahf ayah 19 as a case study. Same thing with Egyptian, Moroccan etc, they have different pronunciations but one Quraishi dialect with which Quran was revealed supersedes.

The same can be said of "google". I pronounce it just like that "GUGU". But Nigerians pronounce it like "GỌGU" with dot sign beneath O, But correct way is "GUGU". This is simply a matter of accent or dialect. Thats what happens with Quran. Other dialects Quran dont exist (which is what was burnt but the people still exist today. That why you still see them pronounce "ka" as "ga"


As for Bible you brought up, say for instance a King James verse says "God glorifies His SERVANT Jesus". But New Standard Bible says "God glorifies his SON Jesus" in the same verse. That's not interpretation anymore. That's versions. That's exactly what happened to Bible versions beyond Protestant and Catholic 66 and 77 Book. So they have more than 50 versions which includes Women's bible. Everywhere 'he' is used for Jesus, they changed it to "she". That's not translation. That's version. Same with skate Bible, Gay Bible, Kanye Bible and the list goes on. That's versions not translations

ikupakuti:
Sure. They are so illogical & unreasonable to deal with.

Thats why i dont like engaging them on here.

Wlcm back bro.

Right. I dont care engaging them for as long as i am in mood. I see holes in their ideology

tintingz:
When I say other copies, I also mean versions.


The hadith said "people differ over the book like Jews and Christians differ" how does Jews and christian differ? was is not by having different versions of interpretation of their books? Whether dialect or version it still fall under same thing.

All these na 'awawi'. I am not to determine the authenticity of the said hadith you cited. All i know is there are overwhelming ahadith that dont even support such thing. Besides, Jews and christians defer in many things and Quran itself talks about it. Maybe you might need to define "version".

Let's agree that it is all about dialect alone to save argument, who gave Uthman revelation to burn other copies of Quran because of dialect? Like I read hadiths in Al.baqir's thread it says the Quran was revealed to the Prophet (SA) in seven style(versions), where, when does Uthman recieve revelations to burn other dialect of the Quran and rewrite it in one dialect ehn?

He was the "president" and authority. So it was imperative for him to preserve Quran. And Nabi (sa) said to follow sunnah of Sahaba as well, which means their sunnah is sunnah of nabi(SAW). Again, if you had read and digest my attachment, it is clear that Uthman(ra) wanted to preserve Quran in the language and dialect it was revealed which is Quraishi.

Can you provide evidence that Uthman didn't follow the law of sharia on blasphemy?

This question is ONLY relevant IF you are able to PROOF to us that he suppressed and killed others with Quran copies

I've given you logical reason why the Uthmantic Quran still exist today without no other versions, you need to give evidence that Uthman the Islamic spiritual leader at that time didn't give laws on does that write versions of Quran.

Very simple. The ONLY WAY you can disprove Quran we have today is by bringing OTHER VERSIONS. But merely claiming they did not exist today because you "think" Uthman(ra) forced them out is mere supposition. If you ask me where other versions of the Bibles are it is very easy to provide them today without second guess. When you go to court and tell the judge evidence is at home, it simply means you have no evidence.

For a leader to burn copies of Quran, what does that mean ehn?

Even today, it is still practiced. The sacred text is not allowed to float around. It is either to be buried or burnt. This is elementary we learned growing up. Again, if you read the attachment you would have seen the writer addressed this. There was no way Uthman(ra) could successfully captured different versions (if they were) from so many people and burn them. There would have been some people who would escape with those "versions"

ilynem:
No need. I have had my feel of the "holy" Koran and trust me, there is nothing holy about this book. I mean how do you lot even read it without sleeping?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8zpPGX4xA

gbadexy:
I saw this unique brick pillars on my Facebook page and I decided to share it with the builders here.

Unique design man. Might be some part of nigeria though

ilynem:
You lot are funny. No wonder most of you are shallow and can't comprehend anything that's not your heinous, bore of a book. So how do you know they are praising Allah? Do you understand their language?

Help yourself

http://the-finalrevelation..com/2012/10/yes-animals-plants-nature-glorify-allah.html

tintingz:
How can different Quran copies exist today through some average people during Uthman era? It is not possible.

Well, you said COPY. It could be copy of different dialects.

How do you think constitutions still exist today, because it was implemented by legislators, How do you think Shakespeare books still exist today, because is it was publicly published, distributed round the world and was written by an influential person.

This is the same as the Quran which was published and distributed to lands under Uthman the leader in charge, an influential person with authority. In sharia law any form of blasphemy is death, now imagine someone writing his version of the Quran After Uthman ordered the burnt of other versions, wont the person be charged for blasphemy? Can someone rewrite his version of Quran in Saudi Arabia and publish it publicly in this present day without sharia-men beheading such person the next day?

This is assumption. It seems you didnt read my attachment how it brilliantly refuted your claim. You keep saying VERSION after you have been refuted that it is mere dialect in recitation/pronunciation of Quran. You missed where the writer says when Islam spreads out but they people (non-arab, non-Quraishi) recited Quran differently that appears to change the meaning. That was the reason Uthman called for those copies to be burnt (i:e those non-Qurashi dialects with which Quran was revealed) which i referred to earlier as FRAGMENT COPY.

The ONLY way you can successfully convince us is by bringing EVIDENCE that Sayyidina Uthman (ra) suppressed and killed those with other "versions". This is the logical reason. Matter of fact, the writer addressed this ad well.

I guess it is antispam-bot giving you pain in the neck.

Dont mind the robot jere

@tintingz,

This refutes your allegation that Uthman(ra) might suppressed those who held "other version" by his "sharia" ruling.

I am having problems with ban. So to avoid another ban, i will need to screenshot this time. I guess i was blocked due to editing. So now, i repeat that copy that was burnt during Uthman(ra) related to dialect not other "versions" of Quran. That's Christian missionaries' argument yet they have no evidence just as you did.

Now provide evidence to me that Sayyidina Uthman (ra) "killed" those people with copy of Quran BECAUSE IT IS ANOTHER VERSION DIFFERENT FROM HIS. I wanna hear that.

Read Attachment below

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ikupakuti:
@Laduna1,

I understand where you are coming from in regards to falling into shirk.

Mind you i‘ll never be discussing esoterics with a “common“ muslim literalist who‘s got no idea of what willayah is, in the first place.

The problem with such people as i‘ve come to realize is - IGNORANCE coupled with HYPOCRISY.

I mean, why are they always selective when labeling acts as shirk ?

For example, they consider seeking assistance from human as fine but getting one from the jinn, angel e.t.c as shirk, are humans, jinns & angels not all creatures ?

I can relate to this actually. I understand. It is indeed hypocrisy. Same with bidah stuff. See the bold they dont understand.

LadunaI:
You welcome back @empiree. I hope Se.un hasn't send @emekaraj to same solitary confinement. Lols

what's your take? you've been silent lately.

I have to keep reading and learning for now. Seu.n's robot blocked me again 2days ago. Just being bailed out few minutes ago NL lawyer. Make i keep my eyes open for now to avoid ban. This is some deep stuff you people are writing. Make I keep learning.

ilynem:
Wow! Impressive! I guess Islam is a religion for turkeys and not men because they can feel the power of Allah but I can't.Thank God I'm not a turkey. Clap for yourself sir.

This is why those turkeys glorify God


"The seven heavens and the earth and all that is therein, glorify Him and there is not a thing but glorifies His Praise. But you understand not their glorification. Truly, He is Ever Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving." Qur'an 17:44




"Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies Allah. And He is the All- Mighty, the All-Wise." Qur'an 59:1


So you know now.

EgunMogaji:
I've been guilty of this too before and why I initially blocked international call after I got my att bill.

One carpenter called me that omo onile rat bastages were chasing them from my site. In the heat of the moment I direct dialed "eruku nla" my anti omo onile guy on the ground.

Sometimes these things happen.

Humm i understand. That must be real pressure for you. You would be frustrated to fvck up the guys. I am sick of those sob.

Bossman:
I have been using rebtel (a little expensive now though) for at least 8 years or more. I also use localphone.com. I also use callcentric (their rates are still ok) for forwarding my US number to my MTN when I am in Naija. So, I am quite familiar. The Naija numbers are all programmed on our phones, so that the US localphone/rebtel number is called. It's just that wifey saw a missed call from my mom, and insted of calling the rebtel number programmed for her, she mistakenly just clicked on the missed call, and that dialed direct of course. Rebtel is the most expensive right now. So, I have removed my auto-topup option. Will just use localphone/callcentric for now.

Your wife obviously is not used to rebtel and of course, it could have been mistake. But to be talking for 7 mins long shows she's not used to it. The reason is when you dial Nigeria number directly from US phone, the ring tone is different. If it is rebtel, it doesn't dial directly now. You know that. Computer speaks before connecting you. Isn't?.

JBoss25:
See the shape of the head, Na Dem!!!

alBHAGDADI:
A good representation of the herd mentality worrying Muslims, part of the lack of freedom bedevilling them.

PAIN

EgunMogaji:
RebTel is pricy, I use BossRevolution.

Neither stops you from direct dial issue.

it is direct but you have to save local number issued to you by rebtel and dial that diretly instead of 23480xxxxxx

Will checkout boss revolution. I am tired of scratching calling cards. I havent use scratch cards in 7 yrs since fund out rebtel