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Does he deserved being knocked out?

Al-wala wa-bara or should mind his own business?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoi5EbxurzE

4 Year Old was violated by a supposed "uncle"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHAko9UGr48

UK City Worker Loses His Cool


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grrgkJsik7s

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tintingz:
The bolded is very irrational, you don't need to add it to prove your point.

The other day you and a brother argue that women are monogamous by nature now you claim most women are promiscuous by nature? What is your stand?

why are you worried about this I would expect snapscore to challenge me. Not you

And I disagree with albaqir on Nigerian Christians. Don't worry brother ACARDIP is doing justice to that

alBHAGDADI:
Paul didn't lie. He was simply explaining to people that say he was dealing falsely. He simply meant that he cannot do all those miracles he did that lift God's glory if he was dealing falsely. We all know that lies cannot give God glory.

defending lies

A Muslim child doesnt need to be told the types of friend not to mix with if he's given basic knowledge of Islam which is what I see lacking here. There is no way she could have detailed everything in this article. There is indication that she's simply not allowed to friend with people that much even in the absence of alcoholism.

They should give her alternative to do volunteer work in the Muslim community. There are plenty of that where she can interract with other sisters. I can understand her parent's need to curb her but that solves nothing. Her excuses however don't cut it. She's simply not learned. I blame her parents for that.

And finally, most women are by nature created to do IRANU for as long as it takes until they realise their market don finish that's their nature by default until later in life they tend to get serious with Islam.

Keep wallowing in f00lishness

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Lol

AlBaqir:
^^ @ Em.piree, here's another scary one:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 80
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4557

https://sunnah.com/urn/42350

but why are you suddenly interested in these ahadith lately?. I'm just curious.

alBHAGDADI:
Colosians 3:9

DON'T LIE TO EACH OTHER, for you have stripped off your old sinful nature and all its wicked deeds.

Proverbs 12:22

Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Proverbs 13:5

A righteous man hates lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and comes to shame.

Proverbs 14:5

A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Why are you cherry picking verses? . Why did you ignore Roman 3 verse 7 ?.

AlBaqir:
^^ @ Emp.iree, here's another scary one:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Verse:--"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 6, Book 60, Hadith 80
Arabic reference : Book 65, Hadith 4557

https://sunnah.com/urn/42350

this hadith here is different from the former. Quran is clear on this. Therefore, I disagree OPENLY with the meaning attributed with the Quran.

Matter of fact, we should improve our understanding of the ayah and put on the bracket "provided". Like this vvv


You are the best people ever raised for mankind, (provided), you enjoin the good and forbid the evil

It's not about chaining people. It's about leading the world in any great things you can think of.

alBHAGDADI:
We all know that lying is bad and bears bad fruit. Where Christianity shuns lying, islam seems to allow it.

So where does Christianity shun lies in this glaring bible verse? .

Below is founder of Christianity lying to promoting the religion

AlBaqir:
# You don't rectify falsehood. Perhaps you miss quote him within another context. Anyway, that's Sheik Habib. My own challenge stands.

tintingz:
I've even watched the video Emp.iree presented, the sheikh was just blabbing from one point to another, too much sugarcoating as usual.

Unless you are not interested in the usool of the hadith in question. As you can see from the attachments, it is in harmony with my previous explanation and that of Sheikh Hamza Yusuf

Hkana:
Bro, when do we get to the karamat part?

Of which Sheikh?. You dey enjoy that

AlBaqir:
# How are you so sure sheik Habib purposely used the hadith to undermine his opponents? That's kind of sin Quran warns us about.

Bcuz he talks about it in his subsequent lecture. He said "if you (alhusunnah- salafis) would lower your ego, we can help you rectify matn of some of the ahadith i have criticized and fixed them for you and make them sahih again. But for as long as you full of yourselves, those ahadith remain bogus"

tintingz:
Oga please stop sugarcoating this hadiths, it clearly said Allah's Messenger said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger, This is forcing people to say the shahada(accepting Islam by force).

Well, that's how you understood it but unfortunately, that's not the case. Even though Sheikh Habih ilory who cited the hadith to discredit some Sahih collection did it on purpose to undermine his 'opponents' He knows the hadith MUST be understood in its context. If people take the hadith out of context for their selfish gain, that's their problem. Again this is war context.

Watch 8 minutes video by Sheik Hamza Yusuf. Maybe you will understand better


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2g6chliDIQ

tintingz:
Maryam Babangida was Delta but I will accept even tho their marriage was under wealth influence.

Marriage na marriage

Your last paragraph is part of my argument.

Both sides are eqaully to be blamed. You can see how some Igbo people behave in Nigeria now especially self-proclaimed "black Jews"

wrong comparison as how? Na Alien with two-heads dey live for Saudi Arabia?

Different system of govt. Different setup. Besides, there are Christians in Saudi but secluded areas.Since Saudi is 100% Islamic country, it makes sense that they wont allow a fellow who believe 1+1+1 still equal to 1 to teach their children even though they claim to have Masters, PhD etc. Thats why Sharia might be easy for them to implement unlike Nigeria etc

tintingz:
Here:

Allah's Messenger said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Sahih al-Bukhari 25

Is this not forcing people to accept Islam?

I repeat that this is war context. Quran doesn’t justify killing of people from other religion just because they believe in other religion,But quran does permit killing of people during war as a self defense criteria, and most of the “hateful verses”mentioned in details are in war context,it is not applicable in general situations. But if you take this solitary hadith to mean fighting and forcing people of other faith, it would contradict other verses of Quran such as

Allah does not forbid you from, those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. Quran 60:8

sino:
@Emp.iree, did the Prophet (SAW) stay in Medina to protect her borders and wait till the enemies invaded them?! Did the Prophet not send expeditions to conquer some territories?!

Perhaps, we may need to define EXPEDITION. I am only speaking in the context of modern day "preemptive war" which base on fraud 90% of the time. Preemptive war in the time of rosul (SAW) was justified bcuz it was always happened after series of treason or broken treaties.. So definition of expedition in the time of noble prophet(SAW) is different from today's. That's why i disagree with people saying there is "offensive J!had" in islam. It is all defensive except for Liberating War. Liberating War requires the victims to cry out for help as Quran says


And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" Sura 4:75

This is ALL I know

1-Defensive War, which is resorted to when the enemies of Muslims attack the religion, honor, property, territories etc..

2-Liberating War, which is done to liberate all those who are oppressed, such as slaves. This form of war was normal in the early days of Islam.

3- Preemptive War, which is launched only when Muslims know for sure that there is treason against their peaceful treaties with the enemy, when the enemy has a serious plan to attack them.


So Iraq war for instance was offensive and illegal. All types of excuses like "we are protecting our interests" was/is reason for wars on other countries, and they called it "preemptive war" is nothing but fraud

tintingz:
Both politics and religious purpose, we can't rule out religion.


What about the hadith that talked about forcing people to accept Islam?

You can quote that out let me see?

tintingz:
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I'm waiting to see an Hausa man marrying an Igbo lady, I'm yet to see one, if there is you can tell me.

Maryam Babangida (Maryam Okogwu) comes to mind

Reason for low inter-religious/ethical marriage btw Hausa/Igbo is more political and indeed religious one as well. Ask Igbo people this why they dont marry Hausa, they gonna tell you "abadan"...;lae lae . It is TwoWay street

U.S is populated with judeo-christians, at least mosques still exist there, is there any church in Saudi Arabia?

Wrong comparison

AlBaqir:
Unfortunately you joined the league thinking am referring to the Era of Nabi. Anyway I have said enough afterwards and couple examples given which none of you can twist or run away from.

Actually, what you quoted do not indicate certain era. You simply quoted ahadith. But then, if you're referring to later era, if later era took advantage of the ahadith out of context, that's a different story entirely. But ahadith have nothing to do with them. Similarly, anyone of us today may take advantage of any verse of Quran or hadith. Still doesnt make the text guilty. You should have simply blamed later era for taken advantage of religious text.

I did not join the league. I simply pointed out your wrong approach. I disagree with them on some things as well.... especially on religious application and their definition of bida'h

Demmzy15:
[font=serif]Lol, so the kuffar can always be on the offensive while Muslims should be on the defense (!?) You see why I saw your thinking is messed up? What's wrong if Muslims go on offensive against some of the kuffar especially when it is known they're dangerous?

Disagree with you. I am not aware of "preemptive war" in islam. You surely sound like George Bush here

ALL you could do is protect your borders. Now you falling to albaqir's trap

Sissie:
wat you are saying and wat tintingz is saying is different at least to me. dont let the shia and sunni divide block that

This is what EVERYTHING is about today. FACT

tintingz:
What gave birth to boko haram, ISIS, Al-shabab and co?

This is pure politics not religious one. They use religion for cover up. I would imagine you know better

"I've been made victorious with terror". I will accept this statement if it was Adolf Hitler.

And was the Quran not completed?

OK thanks.

You know it is like Sura Maida 51. it is f00lish if anyone thinks Quran is talking about ALL Jews and ALL Christians. Same applies here. It is oblivious the statement was made ONLY against people at war with Muslims those times. Definitely not terror against ALL kufar.