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snapscore:
Been considering the idea of getting engaged but I am still not ready.

Why not?. AbdelKabir is available ma'am

shawl:
Say, "Allah has told the truth. So follow the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth; and he was not of the polytheists."[/b]

What is however very clear is the affirmation that "Allah has told the truth" is not a phrase that is restricted to this event but has a universally applicable meaning at any point in time.

Restricting the phrase to this particular incident, or even worse, declaring as bid'a elsewhere this phrase is mentioned, irrespective of the circumstance, is placing doubt on the Word of Allah. And you all know what you are entering into.

So who is attacking Islam from the inside?

Abeg, tell them na. They have this rigid syndrome. It is their illogical reasoning. We thank Allah that these type of people were not the foremost in Nigeria. I wonder how Islam would thrive with their unnecessary restricted mentality. They would have tagged everything bida since Nigeria independence

AbuuBilaal:
@Empiree, the only point worth replying is the last.

Dhikr are of two groups:

# Restricted Dhikr: these are those that Allah has ordered that they be said at specific place, time, manner, situation and a specific number. Examples are the dhikr of sujood, rukoo, entering and leaving the toilet, home, mosque, dhikr of morning and evening, when the wind blows, when the thunder strikes, when the rain falls etc.
One has no right to increase or reduce their number. Also, we have no right to attribute a specific number, time, manner or place etc to any o these restricted type of dhikr except with evidence.

Benefit: there's no authentic narration that says that any dhikr of this category is more than 100 times . So if anyone says say the dhikr 200times, it's out rightly an innovation.

Dont twist anything. We know what dhikr means. what you mentioned are mix of obligatory and voluntary dhikr. That's not what i am talking about here. Dont play me "wayo". Dhikr is NOT restricted to masjid or whatever you mentioned up there.

# The second category is the dhikr that Allah and His messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam didn't give any restrictions, one should not restrict it rather he should say as much as is easy for him such as saying astaghfiruLLaah, subhanaLLaah, AlhamduliLlah, Allahu Akbar etc The true believer and devoted one is the one who fills all hi free time with this type of dhikr.

This is the category of dhikr commonly known which is what any muslim think of when the word "dhikr" is mentioned. No restriction as you rightly said but your brothers put restriction on it. Ask them. So when i said dhikr, this is the category i am talking about.

The saying of sadaqaLLaahul Azeem falls under the first category because it is restricted to when finishes the recitation of the Quran or a session of recitation, and Allah and His messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam gave not ordered us to do that.

It's not the meaning of the statement that has problem, it's the application.

And who told you is it restricted to this only?. And who told you it is bid'a except for your beloved shuyuk and those they influenced. Now what you said here reminds me of what albaqir brought earlier. If you consider this application bid'a, then, albaqir was right about blessing sahaba since there is no COMMAND. No scholar, as far as i know says its application is bida except you people. Average folks even say sadaqoAllah azeem even during lecture and i heard some say in during salat.So what's the problem with you people trying to find fault where there is none?. What i read about it is it falls under adhab. It has noting to do with dhikr in itself.

Excerpt

This is a statement of truth that a Muslim says after reading any amount of verses from the Qur'an.
The meaning of it is: "Allah says the truth."

The Qur'an is the exact words of Allah in verbatim.
When Allah speaks, He says the truth; and when the Qur'an is being recited, a Muslim is reciting the words of truth of Allah.
Hence, he says: "Sadaqallahul 'Azim."

I see it pretty much like saying "jumah mubarak" which is also being tagged "bidah". It is a very simple adhab and not binding on anyone. So why attaching unnecessary bidah stress to it?


^ they didnt say it bid'a. it is etiquette. Why are you people so "bidaphobic"?. So you understand the mufti' reply in the attachment?. Respect other's views and stop tagging people "alhubida". That's my point. If your shuyuk involved in a practice that is not established in Quran and Sunnah, you find excuses for them but you can't do the same for other muslims. Why he double standard?

This Hadith Trashes Takri Calling Everyone Kafir


Narrated 'Uqba bin 'Amir:

One day the Prophet went out and offered the funeral prayers of the martyrs of Uhud and then went up the pulpit and said, "I will pave the way for you as your predecessor and will be a witness on you. By Allah! I see my Fount (Kauthar) just now and I have been given the keys of all the treasures of the earth (or the keys of the earth). By Allah! I am not afraid that you will worship others along with Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will fight with one another for the worldly things." Volume 2, Book 23, Number 428: (Sahih Bukhari)


Perhaps, it is CLEAR why these folks are waging their bidat and Shirk campaign on Sufis. Sheikh Habib Al-ilory exposed them in Nigeria. Reason they criticize Sufis today is for MONEY. They want Saudi Riyals

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Sheikh Habib On Music In Islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkE5_Cs66s&list=WL&index=168

erico2k2:
today if I send £1k home I get N608K in my bank. kpere

chae

Junia:
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Please have you done this before ??
Your so called prophet commands you people to do this. Or your imam didn't tell you

Stop derailing thread and focus

But two/three of your brothers actually consider it (quran competition) bida the last time we discussed it. That was fundamentalist and dragnet and deathstroke aka alhusunnah

AbuuBilaal:
^This reminds me of a post on this forum

https://www.nairaland.com/3616951/soofeeyahs-dislike-knowledge

WHat about it

AbuuBilaal:
They are completely different, it's only a person who is completely ignorant of Usool fiqh that will be confused by such.

The competition falls under what is called Masaalihul mursalah -if you've ever heard that- just like the compilation of the Quran, Hadith, the building of madrasah, the breaking of knowledge into several fields, the building of Madrasah etc.

Who are you deceiving?. Didnt sufis say something like this butyou people would brush it aside like bida bida bida. Now you gave excuses. smh. I hope you know that the same people (Malaysians) who invented "Quran competetion" are the same folks who say sodaqaAllah azeem most?.

The saying of sodaqallahul Azeez is a dhikr attributed to a specific event. Attributing a dhikr to a specific time, place or event is an act of legislation that only Allah has the right to.

And can you point any verse of Quran where it says dhikr is to be said ONLY at a specific time?. Waiting for the aya please

So, this is one thing and that is another, don't get them mixed up. See Imam Shaatibiy's book al-Muwaafaqaat for details and further clarification.

Does Quran and hadith ever restricted dhikr?. Proof it. Listen, no scholars(maybe few) in history consider it bidah except Saudi ones and those they influenced. I have just read many stuff and none of them consider it bidah except you and yours. There is no limit or restriction on dhikr. Dhikr is recommended any moment and anytime. Obligatory practices are legislated.

Obligatory practices are salat, ramadan, zakat and haj. These have their times. Dhikr is not

Junia:
It is not a contradiction. Even Anti Christs bring their own version of the Bible. Most of the versions don't translate it well

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Brothers, a landlord just murdered his tenant in the Bronx USA last night at 6:30 over unpaid 9 months rent. Learned that landlord actually have took him to court for eviction but the case stalled and had called police for tenant on several occasions for tenant's nuisance. Guy, watch your temper against deadbeats.

Junia:
Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.



Use King James Version

So what happens to other version that says "servant Jesus"?. You can spot contradiction?

dejavus:
Now that the exchange rate is dropping like a bag of lead, I wonder how long it will take for the prices of building materials to come down. But Nigeria, prices of commodities only goes one way....UP!

how much is official and black market rates as of present?

Junia:
2. Jesus is not a servant of God

You dey lie or your Bible?


Acts 3:26


God, having raised up his servant, Jesus, sent him to you first, to bless you, in turning away everyone of you from your wickedness."

Thanks again for restoring my second post (FEB 22) ^^ @ Sissie

AbuuBilaal:
^My brother, don't be surprised by the inconsistency in the methodology of Emp.iree, it's completely normal for an innovator especially the shia and Sufi.

They are not bothered by the weakness or authenticity of any hadith or tafseer, they are only bothered by what they inherited from their misguided sheikhs.

Saying that statement after recitation was never known during the time of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam and his companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum. maybe his Sufi sheikhs are the first to recite Quran and finish it, he should tell us!

well, since you chose to get involved, how about you answer this:

"Quran Competetion" is a worldwide program in Muslim world. It was started by a Malaysian in the 60s. Saudis do organize it these days but there is no daleel for it but if you have one kindly post it from Quran and sunnah.

So my question is, Saudis do it s well they are innovators or not like those who say "sadaqaAllah azeem"?.

Hummm

I see. I guess you are trying to export your goods. Good idea. They do have African stores in the US but I am sure if you establish open business with them ( by searching online for them), it is gonna be interesting. Some of them already have their connection but surely, you can make your way out here.

FastShipping:
Ladies and Gentlemen, I saw Trumpcoat handle on this thread today. Is someone else operating with that handle?

Yoruba go tell you now that he's "AKUDAYA"

Qc1:
Yes ooooo

After spending tens of millions to correct the mess the so-called builder made. Anyway, to God be the Glory.

The picture below was just 3 days old.

Like this structure

Here is ibn 'Abbas saying صَدَقَ اللّٰهُ الْعَظِيْم after mentioning some verses of the Qur'an as quoted in Tafsir al-Qurtubi (16/188):

Ibn 'Abbas said: If childbirth is difficult on a woman, then the following two verses and two sentences should be written on a piece of paper which should be washed, and then she should be given the water to drink:



بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم لا إله إلا الله العظيم الحليم الكريم

سبحان الله رب السموات ورب الأرض ورب العرش العظيم

كأنهم يوم يرونها لم يلبثوا إلا عشية أو ضحاها - النازعات: ٤٦

كأنهم يوم يرون ما يوعدون لم يلبثوا إلا ساعة من نهار بلاغ فهل يهلك إلا القوم الفاسقون - الأحقاف: ٣٥

صَدَقَ اللّٰهُ الْعَظِيْم


Note the underlined highlighted part. Ibn Abass (ra) finish reciting juz amma and ended with "sadaqaAllah azeem"


Ibn Kathir presents this in a well-known section of his work on history (due to it being on a controversial issue) where, after mentioning some verses of the Qur'an, he says صَدَقَ اللّٰهُ الْعَظِيْم. He says in al-Bidaya wa al-Nihaya 13/119:

Whoever abandons the unequivocal sacred law which was revealed unto Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah, the seal of the prophets, and seeks arbitration outside of it in the (previous) abrogated sacred laws, commits kufr (disbelief). So what of one who seeks arbitration in the law of the Tartars and gives preference to it over this? Whoever does so has committed kufr by consensus of the Muslims. Allah, Exalted is He, has said:

"Is it, then, the judgement of (the days of) Ignorance that they seek? Who is better in judgement than Allah, for a people who believe?" (al-Ma'ida: 50)


What I want derive from above is Ibn Khatir himself used the phrase in his discussion. period

AbdelKabir:
@Em.piree, you "read inbetween the lines" but couldn't see that your Shi'a friend was vulgar, yeye.

Anyway,

As usual, mixing LARGE falsehood with bits and pieces of things that looks like truth(yani, misplacing adillah from their right positions), I am yet to see the hadeeth mentioning that when ever you finish reading the Qur'an, say "sadaqallahul azeem" i haven't seen that, or do you think we can't read arabic?

and yes, the hadeeth you brought were referring to COMPLETION(khatm) of the Qur'an, i.e you start reading from faatihah to baqarah down to nas, ahlus-sunnah say, you can supplicate to Allâh after conpleting(khatm) the Qur'an (as its been done in ramadhan), but THERE IS NO AUTHENTIC DUA to be said, all we know is Anas ibn Maalik would supplicate to Allâh whenever he completes the Qur'an.

and as for the narration in bayhaqi where the prophet supposedly said a specific dua for khatm al-Quran, Alhamdulillâh you stated it yourself that its weak, so why attribute it to the prophet?

before you went to bring weak ahadeeth, i knew that these narrations exist so you arent bringing anything new, it was rejected for its weakness as per the prophet's warning not to attribute falsehood to him, this is where you are having problem, you dont care if the hadeeth attributed to the prophet is true of false.

even if we are to accept them, which of them mentioned "sadaqallâhul azeem"?

So Daif now means fabricated hadith?. It says Daif. It doesnt say fabricated. You should rather say your shuyuk reject it because it is daif. If hadith is daif it is not rejected 100%. That doesnt mean calling people who do it "innovators". If we all should go by that, then, as we debated before about "Quran competition" which none of you have daleel for but accepted it bcus Saudi does it too. Is it okay then to call them "innovators" because of this?.

Well, the whole idea of saying sadaqaAllah-ul azeem is after completion of Quran period. Whether juz amma or whatever which is what you said yourself, it is still in line with saying this. You can not call people innovators to scare people away. Unless and until you can provide evidence from kitab and Sunnah that "Quran competition and walimot Quran" is sunnah, i wont take you serious. You do not condemn this becuase Saudi does the same. So your case is dismissed. sadaqaAllah-ul azeem exists in the Quran, so how this is bida is in itself bida when in fact the phrase is the word of Allah. Do they even know what bid'a is anymore. shaking my head

I am not even done yet. I slowed down because of sissie's robot ban. So expect me to be banned again when i post my next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDhWA0IlxlY

Thanks sissie

My comment is restored up there @albaqir. I feel it is necessary to post other's view so that people dont think that theirs is the only option.

plappville:
Hahaha, confused um? Mathew, Peter, Paul etc all came through Jesus Christ. They preach the gospel of Christ not MHMD



Galatians 1:8 ►

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

Which Gospel do they preach/teach?

The teachings and Atonement of Jesus Christ are central to His gospel. ABC seems to be too hard for you

Sp which of this Gospel is according to Jesus Protestant or Catholic?....This is what your Bible says


Revelation 22:18-9

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."


So catholic is 73 book. protestant is 66. The 7 difference, is false or correct? and who is right btw of them?. I am sure protestants consider 7 books heretics. Which sect Jesus belonged?

AbdelKabir:
you are here with your "not reading andand understanding before commenting attitude" where have i condemned him because he is Shi'a? I only asked him not to derail the thread and thats all, he on the other hand has been vulgar but you didn't see that because you both are birds a feather. continue.

I can read btw the lines. Well, that's btw you and him

all this na story, WAllâhi.

Story?. But if reference is brought up you gonna call it "lousy daleel", isnt?. So let's read other's view bcus Islam is bigger and better than any Sheikh. This was written by By Shaykh Dr. 'Abd al-Fattah ibn Salih Qudaysh al-Yafi'i and translated by Abu Dawud Mahbub ibn 'Abd al-Karim (interested folks should read from the link). I am only copying necessary part out.



The Validity of Saying صَدَقَ اللّٰهُ الْعَظِيْم After Reciting The Qur'an


It has been narrated in Tafsir al-Qurtubi (1/27) that al-Hakim al-Tirmidhi mentioned this to be part of the etiquette of Qur'anic recitation. He said:

'It is from the reverence of the Qur'an that upon the conclusion of its recitation, one pronounces his Lord to be truthful and testifies to the conveyance of the Qur'an by Allah's Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) and that it is true.'

Thus he would say himself:


صدقتَ ربنا وَبَلَّغَتْ رُسُلُك ونحن على ذلك من الشاهدين اللهم اجعلنا من شهداء الحق القائمين بالقِسْط


Meaning


"Our Lord, You have spoken the truth, Your messengers have conveyed (Your message), and we are witnesses to this. O Allah, make us from among those who are witnesses to the truth and upholders of justice."


Then he would supplicate with a number of supplications. End quote.


Imam al-Ghazzali, while enumerating the etiquette of Qur'anic recitation, says in his Ihya 'Ulum al-Din (1/278):


To say when commencing one's recitation:

عوذ بالله السميع العليم من الشيطان الرجيم رب أعوذ بك من همزات الشياطين وأعوذ بك رب أن يحضرون


Meaning


"I seek refuge in Allah, the All-Hearing and All-Knowing, from Shaytan the accursed. My Lord, I seek refuge in you from the provocations of the devils and I seek refuge in you lest they come near me"

And one should then recite Surat al-Nas and Surat al-Fatiha. After concluding recitation of the Qur'an, one should say:

صدق الله تعالى وبلغ رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم اللهم انفعنا به وبارك لنا فيه الحمد لله رب العالمين وأستغفر الله الحي القيوم

"Allah, Exalted is He, has spoken the truth and the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) has conveyed (the message). O Allah, cause us to benefit by it (the Qur'an) and place blessings for us therein. All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the worlds. I seek forgiveness from Allah, the Ever-Living and Eternal."

End quote.



It has been related that the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said this in the du'a for khatm (completion) of the Qur'an, as is mentioned by al-Bayhaqi in Shu'ab al-Iman (2/372):

Ahmad (al-Bayhaqi) has said: With regard to the du'a of khatm, a weak hadith has been narrated from the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) with an interrupted (munqati') chain of transmission. Indeed the scholars of hadith are lenient in accepting what has been narrated in terms of du'as (supplications) and fada'il al-a'mal (virtues of actions) as long as none of the narrators are known for forging hadith or lying when narrating.

Abu Nasr ibn Qatada narrated to us from Abu al-Fadl ibn Hamrawayh al-Karabisi al-Mahrawi, from Ahmad ibn Najda al-Qurashi, from Ahmad ibn Yunus, from 'Amr ibn Samura, from Jabir al-Ju'fi, from Abu Ja’far who said: 'Ali ibn Husayn would mention from the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) that when completing the Qur'an (khatm), he would praise Allah with many praises whilst standing, then he would say:


الحمد الله رب العالمين والحمد الله الذي خلق السماوات والأرض وجعل الظلمات والنور ثم الذين كفروا بربهم يعدلون، لا إله إلا الله وكذب العادلون بالله وضلوا ضلالا بعيدا لا إله إلا الله، وكذب المشركون بالله من العرب والمجوس واليهود والنصارى والصابئين ومن ادعى لله ولداً أو صاحبةً أو نداً أو شبهاً أو مثلاً أو سمياً أو عدلا، فأنت ربنا أعظم من أن تتخذ شريكاً فيما خلقت والحمد لله الذي لن يتخذ صاحبةً ولا ولدا ولم يكن له شريك في الملك ولم يكن له ولي من الذل وكبره تكبيرا، الله أكبر كبيرا والحمد لله كثيرا وسبحان بكرة وأصيلا والحمد لله الذي أنزل على عبده الكتاب ولم يجعل له عوجا * قيما قرأها إلى قوله إن يقولون إلا كذبا، الحمد لله الذي له ما في السماوات وما في الأرض وله الحمد في الآخرة وهو الحكيم الخبير * يعلم ما يلج في الأرض الآية، و الحمد لله فاطر السماوات والأرض الآيتين، والحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى آلله خير أما يشركون، بل الله خير وأبقى وأحكم وأكرم وأجل وأعظم مما يشركون والحمد لله بل أكثرهم لا يعلمون صدق الله وبلغت رسله وأنا على ذلكم من الشاهدين، اللهم صل على جميع الملائكة والمرسلين وارحم عبادك المؤمنين من السماوات والأرض، واختم لنا بخير، وافتح لنا بخير وبارك لنا في القرآن العظيم وانفعنا بالآيات والذكر الحكيم ربنا تقبل منا إنك أنت السميع العليم...



Now, call this "lousy daleel" as usual

Honestly, we need to start getting rid of sentiments by simply condemning someone bcus he is a known Shia, Salafi, Sufi and this and that. This attitude clouds judgment. You need to open up brothers.

I hate to say this but it is necessary. At masjid where i pray, he is "Salafi Imam" and he quoted one of the scholars that someone who doesn't see any good in anyone, should check himself. You simply don't believe anything good could come from Shi'a. This is very bad attitude. I am not saying you can't be skeptical if need be but your approach always is repugnant. I understand what albaqir's trying to say but i won't get involved. Y'all can suck it up.


Now back to the topic.

Just because your "opponents" could not bring forth evidence against you outright does not mean there is none. And I honestly see nothing wrong with saying the phrase. So the question of "bid'a should not even be on the table. It is a way of suppressing others.

I could remember in high school every morning during assembly, some individuals are picked up recite Quran and upon the completion, they said the phrase "sadaqaAllah-l azeem." It is basically etiquette. Besides, my high school is mixed with muslims and christians. We read the Quran in Arabic and translated it and said "the word of Allah is true".

How and why this is bid'a is rather problematic when the phrase itself is in the Quran regardless of context. Just because Sheikh UTHAYMEEN (ra) said it is "bid'a" does not make it so. These same Shuyukh from that quarters have given opinions with citations from Quran from unrelated matters. So i dont understand why this is issue.

igwedehxy:
Pls somebody should help me out oo.... The omo Nile in my area said I should pay 100,000 to them for roofing a 2flat of 3 bedroom. Pls is this not too much. And if it is what should I do. Answer needed ASAP

Seriously, this nonsense needs to stop. I cant rationalize why lazy people should get paid doing nothing just bcuz they are "Omo nile".

TODAY MARKS 52ND ANNIVERSARY OF MALCOLM X’S ASSASSINATION – WATCH ORLANDO BAGWELL’S COMPREHENSIVE DOC ‘MALCOLM X: MAKE IT PLAIN’


Today in history, February 21st, 1965, Malcolm Little/Malcolm X/El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz was killed in New York City.

He was just 39 years old.


Of course, we all know of Spike Lee’s 1992 cinematic masterwork based on the life of the man – a film that currently rests among the nation’s treasures in the world’s largest archive of film, TV and sound recordings; in 2011, it was inducted for preservation in the National Film Registry of the Library of Congress.

It’s available on almost every home video format for those who still haven’t seen it.

But also strongly recommended is Orlando Bagwell’s excellent 2 1/2 hour 1994 documentary “Malcolm X: Make It Plain,” narrated by Alfre Woodard – a film that paints a comprehensive portrait of Malcolm X; hustler, visionary, husband and father; dynamic orator and, after spending time in prison, Minister Malcolm, the fiery, eloquent spokesman for the Nation of Islam; and finally as El Hajj Malik El Shabazz, internationally recognized leader and advocate for oppressed peoples – loved and despised, revered and feared… until he was assassinated on February 21, 1965 at just 39 years old.


The entire documentary, which aired as part of PBS’ award-winning American Experience film series in 1994, can be found online at numerous locations, like YouTube, and is strongly encouraged viewing; even if only in remembrance on this day. The full film is embedded below, so watch it now or bookmark this page to watch it later: