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Ubenedictus:
I know many will try to derial the thread.

The bible condemns many to hell every xtian will admit that and that isnt the issue here, the issue is whether or not islam accepts violence. I actually went and search and found many islamic jurist who admonish violence, what is ur opinion?

Don't you think you have reached your VERDICT with this post of yours?. It is irrelevant to say "that isn't the issue here".

You don't pick and choose where you are comfortable.

That's lopsided.

Case Closed!

Ibn Taymiyyah (ra)

He was simply of Salafi movement but practiced sufism. Sufism is simply a private matter BTW servant and his Lord. This is exactly how I do it myself.

So Sheik Habib was right when he said sheikh ibn Taymiyyah has element of sufism. Both are in the Quran and hadith discribed it. Today, people trying to separate spiritual aspect of Islam from text. This is IGNORANCE which is prevailing today.

Today's Salafi only stick to text and talks talks talks. Sufism read text and practice at the same time. This is the difference btw the two.

Salafi today CHOSE to pick what suits them. There is NO WAY they can refute my posts about him. His profile says it ALL. It is not enough to just say "he's not sufi". Proof is needed

Age of consent in AFRICA

Age of Consent in Japan

Age Of Consent in Europe

Age of Consent In Modern Time is really not much different from Ancients


Age of Consent In The Americas

Kaysalas:
Em.piree! Having not read the book in itself but having seen the comments here(for and against) I think it is high time you just kept quiet! You r now trying to justify Mohammed' s acts with actions of westerners. Please just ignore the thread if all you can do now is posting such videos here. Besides on a lighter note: do you know what the naija economy s saying ryt now? Only you haff posted up to 20 videos for this thread alone. Please please and please consider pipu wey dey try manage free 10 mb a beg.

in that case, why are you concerned about 1500yrs old event? Have you no sense?

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plainbibletruth:
You refused to answer my [b]EARLIER questions – diversionary tactic – and now you’re using your questions to cover up your inabilities and you want me to be DECEIVED by you?

you should rather said you lack intellectual acumen when I answered you earlier. You simply playing yourself. You want to see EXACT phrase in the Quran as you put it. Just like you can't point out where Jesus said in the bible "I'm God worship me".


Quran talks about being righteous and doing good deeds. If this doesn't ring bell in your ears I don't know what will. Here are verses again to this effect

Where in the quran does it talk about living in peace with others? – You didn’t answer.

Surat 2:177, 2:215, 28:84 28:59 45:15 47:35 99:7

That's enough. Too much to quote.

How do you reconcile the quran’s HATE LANGUAGE and HOSTILITY to non-muslims with islam’s PROPAGANDA machinery today that says the quran talks about PEACE with others and that it is accommodating toward non-muslims? – You didn’t answer.

I answered this as well. How do you reconcile your "peace" propaganda with this verse of the bible?

Like 19:27

Those enemies of mine who do not want me to be king over them, bring them here and KILL them before me

If you cant understand that you have just about same or worst in your Book, I'm not obligated to answer unless you want to keep denying VIOLENCE in your Old & New Testaments

What are your views on the comparisons in the table (on Jesus and mohammed) presented to you to comment on? – No reply!

Is that a just "comparison" to you? . Do you even think at all?. I can as well bring up my own comparison to justify my whim.

You can choose to run to ANY SOURCE you want to seek justification for your position on mohammed’s pedophilic life – it would still be part of your DECEPTION tactic.

PAIN! You know deep down your throw the article I posted hit you in the spine For the fact that the article said Mary mother of Jesus married so young, and many people in the bible in those days as well, then, you have no case against Islam. Why don't you follow PUBERTY instructions ACCORDING to the BIBLE?. WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HIDE BEHIND WESTERN LAWS?. Even their law for girl's marriageable age varies from 10yrs old to 18yrs.

But you CANNOT find the BIBLE supporting you on this.

and where in the QURAN it says prophet Muhammad (p) married 6yrs old girl? . Kindly post a reference from Quran please. If you can't you are a liar.

On the other hand, if we are to STICK to your “holy books” we can unearth much ROT (which are FACTS for that matter) about the life of your hero prophet – hard nut for you to handle?

Please do I'm waiting. Thanks

I think you are the one who needs to look in the mirror and see if you are not a hypocrite.

Thank God you said you "THINK" which means you are in doubt about something.

Better tried than never. I sent email to the store where I bought bathroom accessories. This is what they said v v v

plainbibletruth, read more

Young girls were usually betrothed as soon as they became women. It was believed they reached puberty at about twelve or twelve and a half.” (Deiss, L. (1996). Joseph, Mary, Jesus (Madeleine Beaumont, trans.). Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press. p. 25). “The women normally married as soon as they were physically able to bear children, which the Law defined as twelve and a half years of age. (Zanzig, T. (1999). Jesus of History, Christ of Faith. Terrace Heights, Winona: Saint Mary’s Press, Christian Brothers Publication. p. 89)


How old was Mary (p)?


“How old could Mary have been? Young girls were usually betrothed as soon as they became women. It was believed they reached puberty at about twelve or twelve and a half.” (Deiss, L. (1996). Joseph, Mary, Jesus (Madeleine Beaumont, trans.). Collegeville, Minnesota: The Liturgical Press. p. 25)

“The women normally married as soon as they were physically able to bear children, which the Law defined as twelve and a half years of age. Mary, the mother of Jesus, was probably no older than fourteen when she bore him.” (Zanzig, T. (1999). Jesus of History, Christ of Faith. Terrace Heights, Winona: Saint Mary’s Press, Christian Brothers Publication. p. 89)


Echoing the same viewpoint Dr. Eugene Weitzel states:

“He knew too that girls were ready for marriage as soon as they were physically ready to conceive and bear children, which according to the law was twelve and one-half years. Mary, the mother of Jesus, was probably no more than fourteen years old when she gave birth to the Son of God.” (Weitzel, E. J. (2010). I Want to Be a Husband and Father for Life and a Catholic Priest Forever. U.S.: Xilbris Corporation. p. 113)


And you said marrying "a child started with Muhammad(saw). Read this


Are Jews allowed to betroth prepubescent girls? Yes.

“There is less evidence regarding female age at marriage . As noted , the overwhelming impression given in the legal sources is that fathers betrothed their daughters while they were still minors .”
SOURCE: Michael L. Satlow in ‘Jewish Marriage in Antiquity’,pg.107


Apart from the controversial quotes above we can easily see that there is no age of consent for Christians and Jews - the standard is puberty. This is something Christians should be aware of - especially those ignorant ones who busy themselves insulting other faiths (namely Islam) for having the same Biblical teaching of puberty being the minimum age of consummation of a marriage. The Writer Hit The Nail



Sadly many Christians are whitewashed into thinking the laws in the America or Britain are Christian. They are not. Just because America and some European countries profess to be 'Christian' nations it does not mean every law in that country is Biblical. Think about it, do you really think the allowance of pornography, sex outside marriage, homosexual acts and gambling are Biblical just because 'Christian' America allows such?

The same applies to American and British ages of consent - they are not from Christianity or Judaism.



SOURCE http://thefactsaboutislam..com/2013/07/jewish-and-christian-ages-of-consent.html


So before you run your mouth, kindly look in the mirror. You understand me hypocrite? Dont you ever ever condemn Islamic prophet.

plainbibletruth:
You muslims have been schooled to speak from both sides of your mouths. You've been taught diversionary tactics and other forms of deceit.

Of course this started from your 'hero' and you guys mimic him very well as you are doing very well here.

Morality meant nothing to him, and it would seem is same to you too. The end justified the means for him, and you his modern day pupils are following the same path.

Tell me, who would you rather believe; a thief, rapist, torturer and an unstable person OR a selfless, caring and considerate person?

If you choose wrongly your eternity is at stake.
You have been warned!

In as much as you refused to tell us your definition of underage, let's move forward. Asking you again to provide evidence of even the worst enemies of the prophet Muhammad(saw) if they ever complained about his marriage to Aisha. If you have none then, you need to be quiet for real.

Also, you act like you dont know age of consent in the Christian world. Now let's review befoere you start ruining your mouth again.

Jewish And Christian Ages of Consent.

Here are some quotes offered by Brother Jesus regarding the age of consent concerning the Bible and Jewish traditions, the interesting thing to note here is that the post-modern ages of consent we see in the Western world are not Biblical. Hence, the ages of consent in Christian America and Christian Europe are not in line with the Bible as the Biblical teaching is in fact puberty which can take place as early as 8 years of age.

Are American and British ages of consent Biblical? No.

The Bible provides no foundation for fixing a minimum age, that much is evidently clear. So this sounds like Islamic approach as well. what's your fuss with Nabi Muhammad(saw)?




Carol L. Meyers writes:

“The Bible gives us no indication as to the age of marriage for women, which would not be appreciably different from the age at which childbearing begins. However, based on the tenuous calculations of the marriage age of certain Judean kings (e.g. Josiah: age 14; Amon: 14) and the rabbinic stipulation of twelve as the minimum age of marriage for girls and thirteen for boys, an early age for marriage can be presumed (de Vaux 1961: 29). Similarly, the relatively short life spans of the ancient world, particularly in plague epochs, would lead to the conclusion that marriage took place soon after puberty, with betrothal preceding marriage perhaps by many years.” (Meyers, C. L. (1996). Procreation, Production, and Protection: Male-Female Balance in Early Israel. In Charles E. Carter & Carol L. Meyers (eds.), Community, Identity, and Ideology: Social Sciences Approaches to the Hebrew Bible. United States: Eisenbrauns. p. 507)

Referring to De Vaux whom is cited by Meyers he wrote:

“The Bible gives us no information about the age at which girls are married. The practice of marrying the eldest first was not universal (Gn 29:26). On the other hand, it seems certain that girls, and therefore presumably boys too, were married very young; for centuries this has been the custom of the East, and in many places it still obtains to-day.” (De Vaux, R. (1997). Ancient Israel: Its Life and Institutions (John McHugh, trans.). Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. EerdmansPublishing Co. p. 29)


Age of marriage is puberty according to the Bible:


Do You See That ^^^^ that's EXACTLY what Islam says as well. When did you daughter first noticed her period Mr. plainbibletruth?. Why are you not following the Bible?. Dont you tink you have been hypocrite by poking your nose on Islamic prophet's marriage to Aisha(ra)?


We have already seen Ezekiel 16 being used as a proof text by a Christian apologist to show the Biblical age of consent is puberty:

Your breasts were formed and your hair grew, you who were naked and bare. 8 " 'Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love... [taken from Ezekiel 16]
See here for more information on this see: http://thefactsaboutislam..co.uk/2013/07/age-of-consent-in-bible-is-puberty.html


Scholar Nisan Rubin writes:


“Grooms could marry at the age of 18-20 (or older) with a young girl, twelve years old, who had “reached puberty.”… The ideal was to marry off girls while still minors, since they constituted an economic burden…” (Rubin, N. (2008). Time and Life Cycle in Talmud and Midrash. Brighton, Massachusetts: Academic Studies Press. p. 16)


http://thefactsaboutislam..com/2013/07/jewish-and-christian-ages-of-consent.html

plainbibletruth:
You muslims have been schooled to speak from both sides of your mouths. You've been taught diversionary tactics and other forms of deceit.

Of course this started from your 'hero' and you guys mimic him very well as you are doing very well here.

Morality meant nothing to him, and it would seem is same to you too. The end justified the means for him, and you his modern day pupils are following the same path.

Tell me, who would you rather believe; a thief, rapist, torturer and an unstable person OR a selfless, caring and considerate person?

If you choose wrongly your eternity is at stake.
You have been warned!

talk talk talk is cheap. What's your definition of underage please?

mavverick:
I surely would be very pissed if someone was dropping dumbbells on tiles, you need thick rubber mat as pictured like 1 inch and above thickness.
This is what is in use at most gyms.

thanks man. You think I can just place it on the tiles just like that or use glue used for shingles?.

Thanks again.

shawl:
Hmmm...

The alarm bell started ringing in my family when my parents called me and told me that they were not pleased with my younger brothers for now. Upon enquiry, I discovered they (my parents) were being hurt by the way and manner my younger brothers come forward to greet them. I reached out to my younger brothers and they said they were implementing 'authentic sunnah'. Realizing the calamity of one's parents being displeased with him (mum especially) I had to embark on resolving the conflict. To cut the story short, it was a long battle before their brain could be reset to understand that the way they greeted our parents before was not wrong afterall as far as postration was not involved and that there is some misunderstanding in what they claimed to be 'authentic sunnah'.

I am waiting for a thread that is targeted at that one day, so that I can submit some of my findings, inshaAllah.

I truely appreciate your effort, because their approach is very cunning.

Yes, there are some threads opened about greetings. Worst is parents not being pleased with one. Worse and we all know the consequences of that.

Taking Care Of Parents


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9NbWqRPOQ

This Muslim scientist woman is very brilliant. I watched her an hour long presentation and i can understand her point. This is 10 minutes long dialogue. tintingz agree with her?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fN7s7Ds9I

I think the reason Muslims predominantly reject evolution theory is because of bad presentation.She's quiet fair in her presentation and gives utmost respect to Qur'an. She admits science is not perfect and it changes. We all know that Quran is for the past, present and the future and I have said time and again that knowledge of Islam evolve. Time will continue to explain Quran

mufutau55:
Yes. Smooth wall and all the cracks sealed. I did cement screeding and I can surely see the difference.

Hajji M.

please tell me what can be done here if you know. On my second floor front yard (terrace), I placed tiles there but the people living there use it to gym. So they always place there gym on tiles and it gets cracked. In the process water lodges through cracks and leaks downstairs directly in the room below it when it rains.

I'm suggesting using this rubber tiles to cover the ceramic tiles but do I need some sort of glue to glue it down on the tiles and would it stick or just place them ?

I do have gallon of very dark sealant used for shingles but I don't know if this may stick on the rubber?

mufutau55:
Yes. Smooth wall and all the cracks sealed. I did cement screeding and I can surely see the difference.

Hajji M.

cool. ..going for it thanks

Lord Have Mercy

Customer Must Be Pissed

quickly:
Islam itself is haram. Y u ppl no wan engage ur brain and keep bowing down to Arabian go.ds.


If we look at the world u will find that the Arabian go.d is placed 3rd after the Asian and European go.ds.


Arabs are only better than us by an inch and they use this stupid religion over us while u pray to a stone in mecca.

Make una kontinu

Fake Love enjoy while it lasts. Fake Love Everywhere

plainbibletruth:
Answer this: Is sexual relations with underaged children not condemned in the Western Christian world?

If your answer is not straightforward then you must be con man. So, answer me.

What is underage?. Please only your definition i want. I dont need dictionary or any other views except yours

plainbibletruth:
SO, in your logic, if no one 'DISPUTED' the INTEGRITY OF LIFE of your prophet when he lived, then whatever he did was right. Whao!!
You people just simply close your eyes to the shortcomings of mohammed. Even when it is clear that his morals were less than desirable you guys still CHOOSE to disregard any such FACTS. Amazing!!

Obviously it is one evidences. He faced many hardcore people and none of them even mentioned his marriage to Aisha. This goes to show you that it is nothing in their view. And why are you pretending your Bishops, Pastors are pedophilias and why are you pretending there is no "underage" approval for marriage in the Western christian world?.

EgunMogaji:
Even though I did plaster, but it is an option not a requirement.

What I absolutely would not do is screeding. It's not a waste for folks that want to do it but it's a waste for me as I want to do

I think I might have confused the readership with my mix up between plastering and screeding.

Was thinking about this actually. What's screeding actually, just to smoothing the wall or what?. I dont want dictionary definition

plainbibletruth:
What has this got to do with the issue at hand?

Perhaps, you could have figured i was indirectly replying your girlfriend in faith. I dont have your time bcus you play 'wayo'

Did the founder of Christianity do this or advocate it like your mohammed did?

All you have to do is proof to me if anyone disputed in the time of prophet Muhammad's(saw) marriage to Aisha(ra)?. And you dont want me to start illustrating child brides from your Bible right?.

For the fact that you are confused about the founder of christianity, your case is irrelevant.If i ask you now you gonna say it is Jesus. Another christian is going to say it is Paul. when you clear that out let me know.

I actually just noticed that you quoted me few days ago. I didnt see my mention. But a muslim replied you already.

EgunMogaji:
It's a matter of taste and acceptable standards for me.

I would never recommend some of my off the wall antics on my build to others.

As an example, I've spent about N50k on clean up on my site. Something others would consider a waste.

Indeed but you still gotta plaster though bcus you sound like plastering is waste of time and $$

tintingz:
Lol, I like the humor in this your post.

I am sure if you debate this with indian man he is going to tell you Adam came from India Like i was talking to a Caribbean dude few yrs ago about Jesus, he said during the time he was absent from Israel, he was in India doing yoga

He said but christians dont want t hear this. If they hear me say this 'dey going t killi me"

He got his idea from Ahmadiyya people. I was just shaking my head like "true true brother"

My point is, this type of opinion is just what Quran leaves open for us to guess. It is homework and we all can guess all we want. It doesnt affect salvation. Quran only says he mommy took him away. Same with Adam issue

This tintingz of thin is a pain in the neck

Your reply to tbaba up there is crazy one.

To be honest you though, i never for once pictured Adam as white in my head. Black always come to mind when i read Quran descriptions.

I always think of earth (clay) is dark

And i dont think average White people dispute "Black Adam"

They always told me that is the beginning of man and the Syrian Imam strengthened that in my mind.

EgunMogaji:
I've always wanted to do wood paneling and this is a wonderful opportunity to hide the ghastly plastering work. I haven't seen any screeding job that impresses me as much as wood paneling.

Go to Houzz.Com and search for "wood paneling".

I'll post some pics when I get home (if I'm allowed in by Trump)

Seen. Hunmm, oh no, I don't think this is a good idea for me. Is this meant to overbuild, fancy looking interior or just your taste?

tintingz:
The word Adam is rooted from Hebrew language which means "red(related to his skin)".

Adam was said to have lived in Eden where it is said to be in middle east.

Hummm, for the fact that Quran calls him by name Adam without any form of connotations rubbishes any attempt to add meaning to his name. Forget about Hebrew translation. They have their motives doesn't mean 'red skin' is the meaning of Adam. Forget about white picture. All that na wash like their white Jesus. And it doesn't say 'Middle East'. It says East which could mean East Africa as well Could be East London

Wiki definition varies Adam means 'the human', masculine, 'man' etc

It just not relevant as a person when it comes to his skin color or his country. Adam is for all countries. Just good sometimes to explore. That's i can deduce here.

Where is usermane. He might have one or two things to say here

Lord have mercy. Just 2 yrs ago i bought plumbing and lighting materials in the US to ship to nija when time is right. Time is now right but to ship them cost $2k and that's equvalent to 1 nigeria million. I am confused

I may have to return big stuff and get my money back if possible and ship mini stuff unless price of toiletries are up over there

This is crazy.