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Islam › Re: A Wedding Gone Wrong At Ilorin by Empiree: 5:53pm On Nov 05, 2016

lexiconkabir:
[size=2pt]Em.piree you are here with you confusion again uhn? why hide under clear proof and ignore clear proof? the prophet clearly said in more than one occasion that if it were permissible for one to kneel for another, he would have ordered wives to kneel for their husbands, isn't this statement clear enough? why go to ambiguous hadeeth?

So if IT WAS(notice the past tense) the custom of the Arabs, we should leave a clear hadeeth of the prophet that prohibited it and follow some customs? yeah to kneel down is not bad(in principle) but it shouldnt be done for veneration, let me give you a scenerio, someone comes to give man A a news that they are coming to Man A's house to kill him, out of fear he falls on his knees and is like "oh! they are coming to kill me" and such similar cases is what i mean by "principle"

we need the full context of the alleged hadeeth.

This wasnt done for veneration.

This wasnt done for veneration either but out of fear that "ah! the prophet is angry what have we done"

kneeling down to receive a class is the same as veneration? kneeling down is not bad in principle, but it all surrounds the intention for that kneeling, if it is to venerate then its prohibited because the prophet said if it were permissible for one to kneel for another he would've asked wives to kneel for husbands....maybe i should give you one of the context where the prophet said the above, there was a day the prophet was with his companions, then another sahaba came to seek his assistance to help him calm his goats cuz they've been dusturbing him, on the Prophet's arrival the goats calmed down, knelt down. then the sahabas were like "ya rasulullaah goats without sense did that for you and we with sense don't? from today onward we will do the same" then the prophet said no, if it were permissible for one to kneel for another he would've asked wives to kneel for husbands, now this begs the question, why leave clear proof and hide under ambiguous proofs? ibn katheer said this is the acts of innovators, they hide under ambiguous proofs to proof their innovation, why don't you follow the one that cannot be misinterpreted?

Now i like this, if it is not done to imitate disbelievers, right? now this act of kneeling down at weddings, isnt it an imitation of the Yoruba disbelievers before the advent of Islam in to the Yoruba land?

even shaykh kamalideen(whom I'm sure you respect) condemned kneeling same goes for shaykh Adam ilory, with the statement "he who kneels for someone and the one that accept the kneeling of another will both be answerable to Allaah on the day of reckoning" isn't it clear?

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I am not trying to confuse anyone. It is okay if she chose not to kneel. But she sent wrong message to her husband. Is her kneeling here was meant to venerate her husband?. You may have to properly quote Sheikh Kamaldeen(ra) to see but i understand some of them do frown at it. Truly, it is not requirement but I am sure it was out of respect that Alfa asked for which means out of necessity. That necessity made Abu Bakr (RA) knelt down before the prophet(sallahAllah alaiy wasalam). Now she brought a shame on herself and it entered her record for life (that her wedding did not hold cus of this). Alfa's request was necessity and only took few minutes to do that. Why messed up her wedding bcus of this?. After all, if it was forbidden, Alfa carries the blame not her.

Also, in Yoruba culture, it is not their custom to embrace one another like this: (Alfa who conducts the wedding hugs and kisses the bride and other family do the same). This is not common in Yoruba but we see this in other culture in the Muslim world especially Arabs. You gonna take this from them also?. So in this context, I am not saying it is mandatory she kneels but I am saying it becomes necessary for her own good. Nikka was only one day and Allah does not call her to account for this. Why mess it up?. Does her kneeling invalidates nikkah?. Obviously, if her husband doesn't share same ideology with her, their marriage may eventually hit the rock base on this. A sheikh called Alaye also doesnt support kneeling. However, he said, ".........but if you are asked to kneel to greet someone out of neccesity, do it". This becomes necessity. Why cant she do the same and let nikkah move on?. Again, let me iterate that Alfa should have just let the wedding move forward since kneeling is not a requirement or she should have let nikka go on by obliging. Very simple.

I will like to hear what happens to the wedding now if she made it through. I hope they did not go their separate way already.

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Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 5:18pm On Nov 05, 2016

Nafizzey:
SLM, Sir please can you help me with a compressed size of this video. I'm trying to watch/download with my spare time now, but am on mobile and couple with insufficient data..

I will greatly appreciate. Ma'salam

There is no way around it. If you have pc would have been better. You can always download it through keepvid.com. I usually download few minutes video on mobile phone. You may have to wait until you have enough data to download it on your phone. I can only compress large files and share it locally through dropbox.

How much you have to spend on data to download this file (video)?

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Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 4:56pm On Nov 05, 2016

He talks about those who reject sufism from 43 minutes and some of them dont even know the rulings of Wudhu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZY1_bsMhL4

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:15am On Nov 05, 2016

You need to watch this lanrexlan. Very interesting. It portrays plot of Shaitan as described in the Kitab.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRwpOfhO08w

I dont want to give my opinion on it at this time.

Islam › Re: A Wedding Gone Wrong At Ilorin by Empiree: 1:51am On Nov 05, 2016*

My coursemate attended a wedding today and he was the best man. The Alfa asked the bride to kneel for her husband and she refused. Alfa said he wouldn't proceed until she succumb

Unfortunately they couldn't do the nikkah because of that silly reason.

What do we expect when we abandon the sunnah and practice culture

Truly, presence of Alfa was not mandatory but necessary because it is now custom in that part of the world and even many other parts of the world. In the West, Imams condict Nikkah very well. So there is nothing wrong having Alfa's presence. The only thing I abhor in this situation is (if this story is true), Alfa should have shunned the bride and allow the nikkah to move on.

As for bride's action, she sends wrong attitude to her husband especially if her husband doesn't share same ideology with her. She sends wrong message of a "rude" wife. We know too well in Yoruba land it is their custom just like any customs around the world. Alfa's request was a form of respect towards her husband not worship. It is also in Arab custom to kneel on one's kneels for various reasons as long as it does not contradict Shari'a (as in intention). For instance, the western style whereby groom proposes to bride "will you marry me", with groom's kneel on the ground This is their christian custom and may be frown upon by Sharia and should be avoided.

Kneeling on one’s knees was the custom of the Arabs in case of fear, or when honoring something, or as a way of being polite with or showing humility to the one who is kneeled to. See highlighted parts was exactly what Alfa was requesting from her to her husband. Where are you brothers getting your "sunnah" from?. Seems to me you dont understand stuff. I am sure by now, people would be talking behind her back how bad she was on her wedding day. That's her big day and she should have done everything to safe it. What a shame in the name of her low thinking faculty "sunnah". I dont see wisdom in what she did.

Ibn ‘Attiyah said about kneeling: [size=15pt]“(It is) the posing of a person who is blameful, fearful and full of veneration. A Hadeeth reads: "Then ‘Umar kneeled on his knees.[/size]"”[End of quote]

Kneeling on one’s knees was mentioned in several Ahaadeeth, one of which was reported in Imaam Ahmad's Musnad from Abu 'Umar Ziyaad ibn Muslim from Abu Al-Ash‘ath As-San‘aani, who said: [size=17pt]“Yazeed ibn Mu‘aawiyah sent us to Ibn Az-Zubayr, and when I came to Madeenah, I entered upon so and so – Ziyaad forgot his name – and said: "The people have done what they have done, so what should be done? He said: "My beloved Abul-Qaasim (i.e. the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) advised me: 'If you survive until you see some of this tribulation, then go to the Mount Uhud and break your sword, then sit in your house, and if someone comes inside your house, go to your bedroom, and if he enters your bedroom, kneel on your knees and tell him, Bear my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire, and that is the recompense of wrongdoers.”[/size] [Al-Arnaa’oot declared it Hasan (good)]

This narration ^ indicates it is permissible at least in this context.

Also, some Companions knelt on their knees in the presence of the Prophetصلی اللہ علیہ وسلم . Al-Bukhaari reported in an account of a dispute between Abu Bakr and ‘Umar may Allaah be pleased with them: “So the face of the Prophet , became red, and [size=17pt]Abu Bakr grew fearful and knelt on his knees[/size] and said: "O Messenger of Allaah, I swear by Allaah, I was more wrong," repeating this twice.”

Moreover, kneeling on one’s knees was the way of some of the Salaf (righteous predecessors) when sitting in the presence of scholars. It is mentioned in the Hilyat Al-Awliyaa’ that Sufyaan said: [size=18pt]“When he went to a scholar, ‘Amr Al-Mulaa’i would kneel on his knees and say, Teach me some of what Allaah has taught you, to implement the verse in which Allaah says (what means): {…on [the condition] that you teach me from what you have been taught of sound judgment?"}[/size] [Quran 18:66]”

All this is evidence that it is permissible to kneel on one’s knees and that it is not forbidden in principle. The act of kneeling on both knees or on one knee in front of a person, there is nothing wrong with it if it is not done to imitate non-Muslims, and if it does not involve anything else that contravenes the Sharee'ah.

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=291694

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Islam › Re: Why You Must Stop Saying Baba God As A Muslim by Empiree: 12:20am On Nov 05, 2016

dragnet:
not clear at all

That's your twin broda nau cheesy

Fashion › Re: Wild Hair Growth by Empiree: 12:03am On Nov 05, 2016

Feanah:
Pls who has used wild hair growth oil , and has it done its job?If you've used any other hair growth aide with positive results,please let me know.Thank you!

Check out sissie

Islam › Re: Shocking Reason Why Muslims Don't Condemn Terrorism by Empiree: 12:01am On Nov 05, 2016

Feanah:
I was so ready to come here and argue.
Jazakallahu khairan, nice one.

Islam › Re: I Am Sufy (sunni) by Empiree: 11:43pm On Nov 04, 2016

Why did you make this decision?

What's your conviction?

Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 11:26pm On Nov 04, 2016

So true

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Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Empiree: 3:45pm On Nov 04, 2016

how much do the Ab!okis convert dollar locally as of today, anyone knows?

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:39pm On Nov 04, 2016

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Islam › Re: Attention To All Muslims by Empiree: 5:03am On Nov 04, 2016

DeathStroke007:
Salam Alaikum warahmatullahi wabrakatuhu ...

I want to call our attention to a very trivial issue that people do overlook... It's a very serious matter and as a matter of fact it's a sinful act and may lead to kufru.

This issue is the issue of method of doing dawah in Islam. Let us remember that there's just 2 things that validates our ibadah... 1. It must be done with iklas and mutabah ... Iklas as in it must be done for the sake of Allah and mutabah means it must be done exactly the way Rasulullah did it.

In this 4 mins clip, Bible is used to counter christian. What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rk4u2z7rFE

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 3:15am On Nov 04, 2016

10 CONDITIONS FOR ACCEPTANCE OF DU'A

* Cleanliness (wear nice cloth) and purify yourself from impurity

* Offer Solat if you miss it and offer nafilat before dua

* Ask Allah for sincere forgiveness

* Time (when everyone is asleep or 3rd part of the night)

* Have no doubt that your du'a will be answered

* Your food Must be pure (halal only) and your income MUST be pure

* When you are alone when no one is looking, DO NOT call on any other than Allah and show off in the day

* Never prayer against or curse people

* Call on Allah by His Majestic Names

*

* Istiqoma (steadfastness) and Tawakul (reliance)

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Watch the conditions mentioned by Sheikh Oniwasi Agbaye from 36 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Zo30D2Bo8

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Never A Takfiri by Empiree: 9:59pm On Nov 03, 2016

[quote author=DeathStroke007 post=48930820][/quote]From information have gathered from every quarter, Mr. Aliu Jabata appears to be a new version of 20th century mad man called Jabaru. You remember Jabaru in the 80s and 90s?. All Alfas from different regions and manhaj descended on him. He was ruining his mouth until The Real Al-Jabar (Azal wajal) Himself silenced him. He lived quietly for some years until he passed away. The man loved to "buga".

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:35pm On Nov 03, 2016

Pro. Wole Soyinka Dropped This Bomb. He can be wrong though

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 5:42pm On Nov 03, 2016

For Future's Sake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP_co3jYCy4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG3yjCIzRfQ

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 12:29pm On Nov 03, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=791Az7vENO8

Islam › Re: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 5:23am On Nov 03, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaPP32TqxW8

Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 5:18am On Nov 03, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSMAQayiiYc

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:49am On Nov 03, 2016

This is wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omQt9ZZXA-c

Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 4:46am On Nov 03, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o2WYrtVOds

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Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 11:14pm On Nov 02, 2016

lanrexlan:
Na Igbo bury mixed with gegemu

Lol.... that's a new word i learned @bold

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Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 8:37pm On Nov 02, 2016

Rilwayne001:
Really let's say no to it

which kind weed be dis nau, Oshogbo weed huh

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Jokes Etc › Re: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 8:34pm On Nov 02, 2016

Silly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Iie8DyJBY

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Islam › Re: Attention To All Muslims by Empiree: 6:07pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
What you posted is that Islam has to evolve with time

Let me just clear something to you. Islam is base on kitab and Sunnah coined with wisdom. What I am telling you is, in this day and age, it may not make sense to non-muslims like christians to use only Quran and hadith to dialogue with them. First, it depends on who you dialogue with. If you dialogue with staunch christian evangelists, you need their book for convincing prove. Otherwise, they would tell you they simply do not believe in your Book. This is the wisdom and you are missing it. This is what is meant by knowledge evolves with TIME.

Those things you quoted above is for muslims. For instance, we can not derive rulings or hudud from Tora and Gospel and implement it on muslims. But we can use it for them and against them. Your level is low. You dont seem to understand the text. Sorry to speak. I get it now, seems to me you are the one ACARDIP was talking about.

Islam › Re: Attention To All Muslims by Empiree: 5:43pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
Islam never changes no matter the time and age nor century. Islam during the time of Rasulullah is the same thing till the end of the world.

NOTE: TIME DO NOT CHANGE ISLAM NOR QURAN NOR HADITHS.....ISLAM, QURAN AND HADITH REMAIN SAME FOR EVER..

Whoever removes nor add nor innovate anything into our religion IS NOT ONE OF US

whats this has to do with what i posted above?. Do you understand at all?

Christianity Etc › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Never A Takfiri by Empiree: 5:36pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
All I stated to you is in Qur'an and Hadiths... Not my ideology

I rather leave you by yourself. You live in your world.

Islam › Re: Attention To All Muslims by Empiree: 5:33pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
Your answer has been stated in those Quranic verses and Hadiths with explanations from scholars

Okay. Well, what you stated is basic approach. This is 21st century and knowledge evolves. It is very necessary to use their Books against them. What sense does it make when you hold Qur'an and hadith to preach to folks who have absolutely no idea nor believe in it?. Can you reason?. This is necessity base on TIME

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Christianity Etc › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Never A Takfiri by Empiree: 5:26pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
Because all your positions about Islam judgment is based on awah... Not Qur'an or Hadiths...

The lecturer I know that always talk with prove from Qur'an Hadiths is Jabata.....

Listen to his lectures and you will understand what am saying

Sounds like you trying to sell me ideology. Boy bye. I got no time for this.

Christianity Etc › Re: Muhammad Alee Jabata Is Never A Takfiri by Empiree: 5:20pm On Nov 02, 2016

DeathStroke007:
You are a Sufi.. you need to listen to Jabata lectures and know what mess you really in

How relevant is this to your op?

Islam › Re: Attention To All Muslims by Empiree: 5:17pm On Nov 02, 2016

^^^^

ACARDIP are wrong for using Bible in their Dawah?

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