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AlBaqir:
# Any evidence for this assumption?

Allah says in Sura Ar-raf 157


Translation of the meaning:


[size=14pt]Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful.[/size]

# Really you didn't answer my question. Why did you chose the translation "unlettered" for Ummi.

The word “Umi” could mean two very different things, so you need to put it context. It could mean My mother, but it could also mean illiterate. illiterate by dico means someone who can neither read nor write.



Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Qur’an), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand . . .’ sura 29:48


This is referenced in whatever truth remains in christian Book ◄[size=14pt] Isaiah 29:11[/size]►


[size=15pt]And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:[/size]

tintingz:
You haven't answer the question, did Allah said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) unique qualities higher than others, something like praising him higher?

I think albaqir did justice to this already

Allah ordered the Angels to prostrate to Adam(AS) are we ordered to praise him superior than other prophets(peace be upon them)? NO

We are simply obliged to believe him

What I understand about the distinction in the Quran is very broad(the message, prophethood etc), it is the like the Christians making Jesus(AS) equal with God.

You got the meaning of the verse wrong. Distinction is to reject some prophets and accept some like Jews and Christians did. This takes one out of the fold. What we not supposed to do with nabi Muhammad is to raise him to the level of God like Christians do. Praise him all you want. Thats allowed as long as you avoid two thing basically: to call him God or son of God.


Quran itself praises him so we are allowed to.

tintingz:
Did Quran said we should hold Prophet Muhammad (SA) uniqueness higher or superior than other Prophets (peace be upon them)?

The last time I checked, Allah didn't make distinction between the Prophets (peace be upon them) and from the stories of them(Prophets) they also have unique qualities during their time.

Distinction Quran is talking about is REJECTING some prophets and BELIEVING some. It is not talking about characters or attributes of them per se. They all have different goodies

AlBaqir:
Was Nabi Muhammad unlettered? Or why do you chose to translate the word "ummi" to "unlettered" when it also means "mother etc". And for a facts, there are ample evidences in the Quran and sahih hadith that Nabi could read and write.

Allah made him (SAW) that wayto convince th people he did not forge it (Qur'an).

Thank God you said ummi could "also mean"

This na JAMB exam.

The thing is, SAW is richer in meaning in its Arabic context than AS. But technically, they mean the same thing when they are translated into English. Some Muslims use SAW and AS interchangeably for Nabi Muhammad but very rare to see Muslims use SAW for other prophets indeed.

In my opinion, the reason for this is nabi Muhammad (SAW) has some unique qualities that others do not have. Not even the Angels combined. From among his qualities are:



He (SAW) is Nâbîyyu at-Tawbah, "The Prophet of Penitence"

al-Mushaffa`, "The One Whose Intercession Shall be Granted"

al-'Aqib, "The Last (Prophet)"

al-Shafî`, "The Intercessor"


An-Nabiyyil-Ummi, "The Unlettered Prophet, the Universal Prophet

an-Nūr, "The Light Personified"

Khātim an-Nâbîyīn, "The Seal (Last) of the Prophets"

Uswa-e-Hasanah, "The Model of Conduct"

There are many other names he has that other prophets (PBUT) also have (in meaning). To know more on this subject you brought, you may need to study epistemology of islam. He (SAW) is also called Yasin. Although some scholars rejected this saying Yasin is not his name. But this opinion doesnt have weight.

The preferred opinion is that only Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon him) know the exact meaning and interpretation of these words Taha and Yasin. However, the scholars have for long strongly suggested that Taha and Yaseen are names of the Prophet (peace be upon him), through spiritual and contextual evidence. Therefore, Muslims in all parts of the world have chosen this name for their children. If it is the Prophet’s name that it is OK to call the child Yaseen or Ghulam Yaseen. We are permitted to keep the Prophet’s name like Ahmad and Muhammad. It is Allah’s personal names that we are not allowed to keep. So, for example, we cannot call a child Rahman, we have to name him Abd al-Rahman, the slave of the most-Merciful.

Far as I am concern, I would use it. Just that people are programed. They may be confused

tintingz like this type of thing. I can't pronunce your moniker without smiling

lexiconkabir,


Now you backing off gradually saying he did not record it. But before you acted like he authored it, went around documenting everything in it. Isoke. This is for record.

And exactly, that's why you dont accuse Sufi of things you have no idea of when you said i dont know you personally whether you practice sunnah or not. That's very true. But how then all of you all so called " sunnah followers" accused the sheik of "mushirk", or "bidat" based on picture without evidence?. Is that sunnah?. What did prophet(saw) teach us about false accusation against fellow muslim, did he not say to give them excuses?. Where is that sunnah in all of you here blaming this sheik that he must be mushrik?. You all ganged up here acting funny. I see absolutely no sunnah in any of you. It is said that to make 70 excuses for a fellow muslim but you people made zero for just bcus he is "sufi".


[size=14pt]Hamdun al-Qassar, one of the great early Muslims, said, “If a friend among your friends errs, make seventy excuses for them. If your hearts are unable to do this, then know that the shortcoming is in your own selves.” [Imam Bayhaqi, Shu`ab al-Iman, 7.522][/size]




Imam Ghazali (Allah have mercy upon him) also quotes this in the Ihya.


[size=13pt]The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Overlook the slips of respected people.” [Bukhari in al-Adab al-Mufrad; Abu Dawud; Nasa’i in al-Kubra; and others–rigorously authentic (sahih), from A’isha (Allah be pleased with her)][/size]



And, yes, it is insulting to call him "Sheik" in your first post. You quoted "Sheik" with question mark(?) indicating he was fake muslim. And you went further to say "ibrahim niyas". Imagine someone addresses sheik bin baz(r) like "bin baz", it is a sign of disrespect.

lexiconkabir:
"shaykh"(?) Ibrahim niasse was a Sufi, that alone is enough for any lover of sunnah to flee from from him...

And none of you questioned the dude about the picture, where he got it from, its validity?. Is that sunnah?. And then you all judged him based on picture?. What if the dress is local costumes that you called talisman?. What evidence do you all have according to Quran and hadith that it is talisman (magic). Even if it Qur'anic text written in the things, what evidence do you have that it haram?. RosulluAllah(SAW) used ring. Is it fashionable ring? La ila ila Allah was written on it. That's kalima. He wore it. Why is it shirk to wear Quranic text around his body as shown in the picture (if that was him)?. What if it was local costumes?. This should be your apprach as "people of sunnah" who now called themselves salafi.


I am sure you all are deceived by the phrase "salafi" to mean you follow aslaf. [size=13pt]Also, there is a new Salafi king in a village called Owu. He's Olowu of owu. His picture with full niqab wives was displayed. The man uses ileke both on his neck and hands. This is considered custom(Asa Yoruba)[/size]

Any salafi in nigeria condemned that?. Did Nabi(saw) used that?. According to salafists today, anything not practiced by the prophet or sahaba is bid'a. So is it haram that the salafi king uses ileke?. You people need to think outside the box. i have long liberated myself from this close mind nonsense. That's why i dont join sect. Being in a sect doesnt allow me to think. But if you stay outside of it you will see more.

So none of you here used sunna methodology. If indeed you people follow the Sunnah, it would be apparent at the beginning by making excuses for him. I have already done some research on this Sheik niyas(ra), if i want i will post his books. You all need to make tawba.

Something Is not haram until it is proven only through kitab and sunnah. Not "sheik said". And when we talk of talisman, we not talking about words of shirk. What is forbidden is words of kufr. But to write Quran text on a paper and wrap it and leathered it is not shirk. Only some scholars of yours consider it that. There are bunch of evidences in Sahih ahadith. They simply dont like it. That's it. And like i said to mrolai, opinions differ on wearing talisman with Quran inscriptions. He thinks i dont know what i am talking about. I watched interviews before on it. Opinions vary. But what is universally agreed upon is word of kufr should not be worn. Either way, i dont like wearing it especially around the neck. I dont wear anything on my neck.

Finally, you all have no evidence that picture above is Sheik Niyas(ra). You all have no proof that what he wears is talisman with shirk or Quranic text. It could as well be Senegalese local costumes. Our nabi(SAW) said to give fellow muslim excuses if accused of something but you "sunnah talkers" did just the opposite. You all so paranoid of shirk and bid'a.

As for you friendchoice, no more word with you. Seems to me you live in your own world. You were in a group of charlant. So keep posting trash they do. It doesnt bother me a bit. And maybe you need to describe how am "hypocrite". That's interesting. Your problem is, you think a muslim cannot just be muslim without being tagged with a sect. Sorry, thats crooked ideology.

So y'all should start making tawba

I used to hold you responsible. but now, i rather let it slide bcus i have no idea what exactly you want to gain from this. I have made my point. If you cant defend hadith before non-muslims and there is no explanation for it, discount and let it slide. How's that difficult?.

And again you sound just like christian here saying where is proof for hadith that was expunged?. Exactly what they said about "original bible". Obviously, you have raised Sahih hadith to the level of Quran. And I am sorry brother, this is a very wrong approach but i dont blame you bcus i met people like that and i am still around them till now. They hold hadith 100% but when it comes to practicing it, they are confused. When Sufis practice is they call it bida and shirk. You really have no weight. SOrry brother. I am done talking on this.

Ask your brother olai to follow the sunnah and provide evidence of his nonsense. He made allegation and you all support him. And none of you follow very simple sunnah to inquire about evidence. And Allah says to inquire information before we believe it lest we do wrong. Even undated picture posted by the dude with talisman all must have concrete evidence. You are all "sunnah talkers". You are not sunnah workers". There is difference btw the two. I guess Sunnah is talk talk talk to you.

No more talking until something reasonable comeon.

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FriendChoice:
Sufism is a sect of innovation we all know that, you believe in what is not in Islam. (Quran neither Hadith taught.) You lied to Muhammad pbum that he insulted himself. It looks you have .mutual relationship with Shi'a.

You have no shame in lying to best of creation just to defend evil act of Sufism. You lied to me also that Afala ta'aqilun means are you mad, what I said can be seen above. I only change it to reply you.

I repeat are you mad.



[size=16] May Allah protect Muslims from hypocrisy of Yours [/size]

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lexiconkabir:
what is a sect/faction/hizb?

So you too dont understand again?. Remember just when you became active, we talked about this. I think last yr. Honestly, i dont really know how you brothers think. I think I may have to talkless from now cus i dont think we are really in the same level. This is not pride. I have said severally that i dont deal with sects or defend one. I am only concerned about essence. Right now, if we think of sufi, salafi, we think of sects bcus that's what its all come down to. But their essence was never about sect. Remember i told you this over a yr ago?. You forgot already?. You had no problem when i said this. What i see you brothers doing right now is, you attacking essence of sufism which is backed by Qur'an and Hadith. Meanwhile I never attacked essence of salafism. I rather attack salafi sect if necessary. This means you brothers have no right to speak about what you have little to no knowledge of. Well, this thread is about Sheik Niyas (ra) and you all have disrespected and insulted him. No worries. Dis don enter history book.

lexiconkabir:
you go about NL putting doubts in people's mind about the hadith of the prophet without proofs, hope you know what you are doing? the same you said, the Jews fabricated hadiths then put it on the necks of trustworthy sahabas such that it was graded sahih, yet you brought no proof, I believe this is what imran husayn is teaching you, the same way you tried to say the wording " I don't mind" was added in the hadith in Musnad Ahmad, it was brother s.ino talked about it, you tried to change what you actually meant, why say things without valid proof?! if you don't have what it takes to grade hadith sahih or da'eef then don't speak about it for your own good.


salaam.

I have no idea what you meant by bold. I didnt try to change that. That's exactly what i was referring to. And the phrase is in the hadith. The initial quote by baqir used "I dont care". I did research and came about another version with "I dont mind" which means the same thing. So i wasnt trying to change anything. And from many explanations of the hadith, they only explained the hadith but they snubbed the phrase "I dont mind". They did not explain that. The statement appears vain talk in such a sacred text.

That the point. There is nothing wrong to doubt the phrase. And i said already that it doesnt even bother me personally.

For the rest, no, i did not put doubt on anybody's mind. They arent kids. You see christians pull any many valid ahadith up that we dont even hear about. So everything is in the open. And, no, it is not sheik imran. Many scholars have said something. Only Saudi arena tend to defend anything in Sahih. However, me personally, i don't have problem with hadith no matter how crazy it is. My problem is you people the way you think. Any hadith that sounds crazy or appears to speak ill of the prophet(p) or makes islam look silly, so surprising how you want to quickly defend it or if you cant defend it, you would say "we dont know blessings, intention, grace etc behind it". But if it is ahadith that speak about making dua, doing dhikr, you people are quick to daef the hadith if it doesnt suit you. This makes me really suspicious of the whole grading thing. And truly, it is difficult to proof otherwise sometimes but, hey, i got sense. The same way it is not easy for you to explain certain ahdith or phrases, it is the same way some sufis cant explain some things. Yet, you would be quick to judge them kafir, bid'a etc.

I am not obligated to believe in hadith that have no weight with my salvation. Before you became active here, maybe you need to back search my posts when i was defending ahadith brought forth by christians. I was alone with them....bunch of them except few muslims later joined me like the sister 9jaforlife who is no longer active and rilwayne. But all you people saying sahih is 100% were nowhere to be found. Mrolai was around but he was just acting foolishly insulting those christians and was warned by ayinba of moral conduct. He defended no hadith. Not even 1. Even s.no did not join to help me. They all backed off. So now, you come tell me i want to put doubt on people's mind?. Everything is in the open. I will continue to defend ahadith no matter how crazy it is so long as there are some meaningful explanations for them. Why defending unnecessary hadith story that have no impact our lives?. Grading dont always work.

The one example i gave recently was making niyat before salat or ghusl. I dont have to proof myself to anyone. Some of those niyat used to be in Sahih. I used to read them from high school until i finished college in ilorin. It is all gone from there. But you would see some traces in other infamous chains something like "na waitul so so and so". Go search internet and used the phrase "niyat for ghusl janaba" , you will see bunch of them but they are no longer in sahih. So you are going to say it is daef bcus of that. How would i proof something removed?. It is like we telling christians certain things are removed from their bible and they wonder how and why?. Exactly same thing.There is nothing wrong to doubt hadith. What is wrong is to reject it 100%. If you really serious about religion in the 80s and 90s, you should have known what I am saying about "na waitul". It was common back then. I am surprised you missed that. They are REMOVED. Also 2yrs when we were talking on a subject, we looked for a hadith but the hadith is missing on internet. They skipped the number. Asked baqir. I did snapshot back then. Later the other brother who opposed us said it could have been "mistake" after we showed him clear evidence.

So if a hadith doesnt make sense and there is no reasonable scholarly tafsir for it, I am rejecting it.

lexiconkabir:
@underlined I assume you are speaking about sahih Ahaadeeth.

well, it depends on how we define "insult". Im simply trying to get the brother to think. He's not making sense to me

FriendChoice:
Many hadith insulted the prophet.? What is hadith first? is hadith not prophet teachings? You mean prophet insulted himself.

You say don't I have sense in Arabic? I ask the samething to you. Are you mad?

What is Sufism, explain to me? I judge you with your doctrine, in your doctrines Sufi Sheik Ahmadul Badawi have commanded the creator of you and I. A'uzubilla. If you want I would tell you what he says. Its inside Almuqamatul Hariri


I know what is Islam as Submitting will to God thorough the teachings/sunnah of Muhammad pbum. What is Sufism.

it's really about FULL STOP TALKING TO YOU NOW. obviously you have no idea what it is. If you have been reading btw the lines, you would have understood long ago. If you indeed were "sufi" you would have understood essence of sufism. I'm sorry, you sound like a tiny tot. It's obvious you most likely was one of those people who went to ilekewu sound nothing but played around. Sufism is not a sect. It's nowhat some make it like that. So sad you have no clue. If lexicon would be nice enough, he should simply tell you what it is for short. Just like salafism, it's now a sect but itshe essence is what I deal with. How many times I gave to explain this in NL?

Afalataqilun is "are you mad"?. Bro, you're hillarious. The group you joined, either they thought you nothing or you were not serious in madrasa. Go back to madrasa first before we talk further. I'm done with you. See how you are BUSTED BUSTED AND BUSTED?. You must likely was chasing "karamat" and "nakalis" and learned nothing. And after you got tired, you want to talk trash. Go back to madrasa and start from Alefi, ayinbakiofi, wo. ...

Rilwayne001:
I think I've heard that word before but i don't really know what it means. Wish i was with my friends would've asked them.

they usually came up with lots of stuff. In most cases they don't understand what text is saying. You know Salafists are literalists. As you can see, neither him nor mrolai provided evidence. They only claimed sheik said this and that. Why is it difficult for them to post snapshots?.

I'm used to this type of fictitious claims. They did same thing to sheik Adam ilory.

Also, you know the way sufis shuyuk talk sometimes, it's more like metaphorical. For instance, a sheik said when he was in seclusion in dua, he "saw" Allah. When salafi sheik akindele heard the lecture, he organized a lecture "that no one can see God. If anyone tells you he sees Allah, even if he's sheik or a waliy, he's a liar. He didn't see God. He sees jinn".

Me as individual dude, I understood what the first sheik meant. I was just shaking my head for the second sheik like 'common, you don't understand?' .

So later the first sheik heard of lecture made by salafi sheik and he said " some of our Muslim brothers don't know how to listen....they have different ears". Quran itself talks metaphorically.

Anyways, seeing Allah as the first sheik claimed meant he saw signs, wonders etc, which could mean vision in the state of awake or dream. No naked eyes can see Allah......"lan tarani" says Quran

FriendChoice:
Yeah I want to be exposed and caned more and more for lying.



http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/01/islamic-cleric-sentenced-to-death-for-blaspheming-prophet-mohammed/

You don't make sense. Many ahadith already insulted the prophet. You should start from there. And you want to judge entire sufism by action of a group. Afalataqilun?

Rilwayne001:
Lol! Just stating my own observations though as i don't really follow any sect.

I understand. My problem with him is, he wants to judge ALL sufis by whatever crazy group he joined. He definitely doesn't know anything about essence of sufism. I only deal with essence. I'm not in any sect. Essence is backed by kitab and Sunnah. If he understands the essence you would not be talking like this.

FriendChoice:
Yeah. I do listen to the Sufi sheik you saw in the video He is well educated and he understand Islam but when it comes 2 this category of Shirk..... Hmmm.

In kano 2015 during maulud, a Sufi sheik on state publicly with microphone insult the prophet (SAW) because of Inyas.

since you are gradually being EXPOSED, your claim here is irrelevant and I'm not taking you serious anymore. You should be caned for lying.

Rilwayne001:
Lol i was banned by antispam bot when i tried to comment the other day. Although there are certain things they go about doing that i don't agree with: like the way they go about with the picture of Niyass. They are crazily in love with him that they hang is picture on their neck and outside the mosque. However they don't go about prostrating like the man did in the video.

thanks again for this too. Clearly, it won't be the sheik niyas that taught them to hang his pic around their neck just like students of ibn taymiyah drank from his ritual water used to bath his body. He did not teach them to drink his ritual water. It's not even shirk to hang his picture around their neck. It's just silly. That's all. You making sense than these so called " sunnah talkers". And mumu gave them likes and shares without thinking

Rilwayne001:
This happened in my area when i was still living Sabo.. i used to have the video on my phone back then.

As far as i know - been that i lived with them for over 5years, they don't go about prostrating to their clerics. The man prostrating in the video is actually a politician. One of the rich men in my hood back then. The man though shouldn't have allowed him to prostrate for him, since its obvious the man is an ignorant fellow.

thanks. See how you gave some details. Again, I have not watched this video to see what really happened. My gig is slow for now until I'm back on my pc. Thanks very much for details. I'm sorry, I don't trust salafi to pass info from other sect. So friendchoice is busted. Now I'm trying to bust the other two brothers. That's why I need the book he'said talking about

Rilwayne001:
This happened in my area when i was still living Sabo.. i used to have this video on my phone back then

the dude joined charlatans or occult group. I don't blame him actually. I blame his thinking capacity

AlBaqir:
Funny Emp.iree. Its like you are asking an illiterate to write an essay.

he has no idea where I'm driving at.

MrOlai:
Go and check Almuqamatul Hariri first.

If you can't find it there, then, ask one of your Mukadams who claim to have the knowledge of the unseen, maybe they will help us in using that knowledge to search for it!

If they can't still find it, then you can come back and we start searching for it all over again!

who is the author of the book please?. If you are straight forward you would have quoted or post snapshot. Anyways, just tell me author of the book.

tintingz:
Watched the video. Thanks.

Want to ask some questions concerning the story but lemme not bother.

okay.

@mrolai, I'm still expecting reference book from you about claims you made against Sheik Niyas (ra). Will be glad to see the book for further review. Thanks

tintingz:
Thanks for sharing more stories.

... But you didn't finish telling what later happen to the man you said was seeing jins in Canada.

Here you go tintingz. This is the video. You speak and understand Yoruba right?. Watch it from 12:00 to 15:00 about the man who disbelieved in Jinn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng-a6sNKA90

This was posted in wrong thread. I need title of the book

MrOlai:
According to reports, Sheik Ibrahim Niyas in one of his books said he has a special cloth that has 70,000 pockets. In each pocket, there are 70,000 sub-pockets. In each sub-pocket again, there are 70,000 sub-pockets, on and on like that! He said that on the Day of Judgement, he will carry 70,000 persons who believe in him in each of the sub-pockets in 70,000 times and fly them into paradise! .

Do you have reference for this?. What's the name of this particular book?. I will like to have the title for further research. I am yet to see anything on this. Kindly provide it please. Thanks

Actually someone replied Diana Johnstone's article posted by ayinba1 up there. And she replied too.

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Seun:
create a NYSC section thread maybe??

You know which is best brother

MrOlai:
^^ Call Seun's attention or Lalasticlala to create a thread for this on Front Page. That will help better.

okay, thanks. Seun, Lalasticlala over to you

lexiconkabir:
really why would your hate for USA blind you from the truth? when you see truth acknowledged, looking for flimsy excuses is not healthy at all.

I hope your realized the author of the article posted by ayinba is American. She hates her country for what she knows? . I don't even want to comment on this anymore. Let's keep hands crossed. Allah knows what transpires on the ground. Hope you brothers know what you doing. You brothers have proved a point raised by a scholar long ago. I can confidently tell you now that you people can easily be bought with cash without knowing it. I'm saying no more.

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