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I would take the money really but RUN.....

k4kenny:
That's the issue I'm having with this MMM ish. You're promised 30% of you initial deposit. The question is where is this 30% coming from? There's no trade or investment involved yet people are credited with money prom subsequent investors. That's haraam money from shaytan there are no two ways about it. It's riba and God fearing Muslims should stay away from it.

Did they explain where 30% comes from?. Thanks a lot. You really gave clear picture. Thats what i have been looking for. I dont know anything about MMM. From what you said, it sounds like banking system where they credit your account for certain percentage. Bank did not hide their fact. They tell you straight up it is interest. But when i refused their request, she thinks I am crazy. She was like we want to give you free money but you turned it down?. I think MMM should give more details for people to understand. I am sure some dont care as long as it is money

The 30% is investors money from what I experience from banking system.

tintingz:
@bolded, What i understand from the Quran is that the body and soul are two different thing.

Maybe I didnt word it properly. But Nafs is very difficult to explain. Right now that we still breath is bcus soul is there. Noone can tell where soul is in our body. Our flesh (body) is material body. Is like it is extract from soul when we die.


For instance, there is a hadith that I am just going to paraphrase it. It was about a Sahaba who just had intercourse with his wife. He took ghusl afterward. The prophet(saw) summoned him to join ji.had ....I think battle of Badr. But his wife was still sexually active and she detained her husband from leaving the house. Hence, they had intercourse again. But the man was so worried to join the battle. When he got up he had no time to take ghusl. He went like that straight to the battle and was shahid. Just when he was killed, his body is on the ground but the prophet(saw) looked up in the sky and said SubhanaAllah!. Others enquired what prophets saw in the sky?. He said he (saw) saw Angel washing the Sahaba who was just shahid. So from what i know is the body on the ground is material and it is going back where it came from to begin with(dust). But the body seen being washed by the Angel will be resurrected. Need more lesson on this though.

The thing here is the Quran didn't mention rib instead nafs(soul), "created you from a single soul/being and created its mate of the same (kind)" the statement here can be said Eve was created from same specie which is Adam and not specifically from his rib.

Well, far as i am concen whether it says ribs or not, dosnt really make diff to me. I dont think it is appropriate for Quran to say 'We created Eve from his rib". I believe Quran uses general term SOUL to describe she was created from him. But then, there are other opinions. If I say she was created from Adam, she was created from Adam's soul, she was created from Adam's body etc its all mean the same thing to me. Just like when we die, from appearance, we die the same death. But in Islamic epistemology, haqiqa, we do not die same death. But in reality death is death. Meaning Eve was created from Adam. Thats just what matters the most. I do not have further knowledge of this other than to submit to text bcus there is nothing to suggest the hadith needs tawil. This doesnt mean I succumb to Judeo/christian version.

Another example is, if someone asks you where/how your child is created?. How are you going to answer that?. Dont worry about sperm.

Here is the bible verse:

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. " ( Genesis 2:21-22)

Indeed, there is striking resemblance. Wallahu Ta'la alam

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I wish NL facilitated uploading video stored on PC. I could upload a video where Alfa said the same thing recently. The video is on my PC but it looks like it is deleted on YouTube. He said what i just said. I also wished i still have the booklet with me. That was the time computer was just making its way in nigeria. And I have not been around there in 15yrs now. So I cant possibly scan the tira. Plus Scanners was just invented at that time.

The video am talking about is titled "Fola Anobi Toro" by Imam Offa. I was looking for it last night on Youtube but it is not there anymore. He said the same thing. But I downloaded the video in Ramadan and i have the video right now on my PC and USB but can't upload it here.

ypeace:
@Empiree

assalam alaykum,

References to expunged Hadith will be appreciated. A screenshot of old vs new Hadith showing missing hadith's will also be appreciated.

Walaikum Salaam

Lol...you talking about some 19 yrs ago when i dont even know where the tira is anymore. This is no issue for me though. And you don't have to believe what i just posted up there really.

I am looking for a thread opened by a fellow like 2 months ago about making niyah before offering Salat/Ghusl. At the time, i didnt remember until last night to proof the brother is not wrong. Some brothers criticized his thread that uttering niyat is bid'a. But in fact, it is really not. It is rather understanding of Scholars who wrote the Tira back then. Yet, it was in Sahih Bukhari.

What I am trying to say is, making niyah before prayer or ghusl (ritual birth), it used to be in Sahih Bukhari when i was in college. But now it has been ceremonially expunged from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. That's why modern muslims dont see it there is the reason they termed it bid'a.

I am going to derail a little so pardon me op. When I was in college in Ilorin in 1999, we treated subject of ghusl. Alhaja, who was our islamic lecturer asked everyone of us to describe how we perform ghusl after intercourse or wet dream. The class was "Adult Content" and everyone was shy. So, years before then when i was in high school, i have been reading a booklet (tira) of dua of all types of ritual births. Most of them in Sahih Muslim and Bukhari. And I have been practicing the rituals long before i came to college in ilorin.

Long story short, all the niyat start with "Nawaitul bla bla bla" Same with Tayamam. Nawaitu tayamam bla bla bla... Thats how i used to do it. So in class in year 2000, everyone would describe how to take birth and provide references from Islamic sources. However, I have understood that ghusl as explained in the ahadith that we should wash hand first, wash private area, divide your head into three parts (meaning, wash one part of the head first then the other). I understood back then that the prophet(saw) was simply saying to wash entire body and water MUST reach everywhere. It doesnt mean you have to divide into three. So many of my colleagues explained to Alhaja Sherifat how the hadith stated it (literally) but I understood it differently. When it came to my turn, I simply told her my niyah and provided reference from Sahih Bukhari and wash my body as I normally do and i just make sure water reaches every part of my body.

When i finished my explanation in less than 2 minutes, they all laughed at me except Alhaja. Reason they laughed was bcus they took minimum of 15 minutes to explain the procedure and we students were more than 50. Class session was only an hour. We had to borrow more time from the next lecturer. So Alhaja was like, why are you laughing - he is correct. She said only two thing is most important: Niyat and water must reach all parts of your body. But then, she warned that after you take birth, you must not touch your private area. Otherwise, you have to make wudhu before you pray. But without touching private area after ghusl Janaba, salat is valid. There is no need to make wudhu.

Bottomline is, at that time, Alhaja herself did not understand that niyah does not have to be said out (utterly). Niyat is in the mind. It is automatically preconceived. So we all had references from Sahih books. But today, those references are expunged from hadith. Isnt that evidence of tampering with hadith?. Search internet you will hardly find such narrations now. Thats why modern muslims think it is bid'a if someone utters niya before ghusl or salat. It is not bida's bcus there used to be references for it. I would probably have said it is bid'a too if i didnt have the hadith back then. Even now, i seldom utter the word but fact is, it was the understanding of those who wrote the "hadith" that niya should be uttered. But now, knowledge has evolved. We now understood niya does not need to be uttered. Reason is very simple. If you just had intercourse with your wife, you got up to go to the bathroom to take shower, intention is already formed that you are taking shower to CLEANSE yourself. See how simple that is?. But i insist that it is not bida to utter the word bcus there was evidence. But the evidences are no longer there in 21 century.

Also, washing private area first or dividing head into three parts is literal meaning. At the time they wrote the hadith there was no wall shower. They used to use bucket and plate. So it made perfect sense to divide body part bcus if you poured water on you, most likely it would not reach entire body. But today, it is silly(excuse me) to stand under shower and divide your body parts while water is pouring on you already. Whether you divide your body or allow shower to throw water on you, it is still Sunnah as long as water reaches every cranny. This is evidence of tampering with Sahih hadith. I forgot to mention this long ago. "Science of hadith" did not prevent this tampering at all.

I felt bad for the brother after some brothers commented on his thread that it is bid'a to utter niya. But he posted those niyat based on his understanding. So not only this one but many practices that are acceptable in Islam are now expunged from sahih Bukhari and Muslim. Bcus these modern muslims dont see it there is the reason they accuse everything of bid'a today. It is not their fault though. I believe that this discrepancy occurred at the start of 21 century (2000) but of course it was happening before then slowly. Back then, i didnt hear much crazy stuff in the hadith about the prophet(SAW). They most likely just inserted some of those mad things there in 21 century computer age. So Science of Hadith did not capture those discrepancies. They edited those ahadith during advancement of technology. But the ribs story has always been there though.

Rilwayne001:
Yes indeed. There are lots of similarities in the 3, but we can't rely on the Bible. In my opinion, the Bible is corrupted entirely starting from the OT. NT is even worse.

Yup.....there is no relying on it

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But do remember the 3 religions or the so called "Abrahamic faiths" do have similarities one way or the other since they all claimed the same origin. Just like the case of Jesus(as). His similarities in both scriptures are undisputable.

Rilwayne001:
Genesis 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out... "

I knew Mr Rilwayne is expert in this Bible exegesis. You wasted no time to bring it up really quick

All i can say at this point is, Wallahu Ta'la Alam

tintingz:
Thank you for saying scholars have their opinions and you didn't criticize them.

The Quran verse you quoted mentioned nafs(soul) and not rib while the hadith mentioned rib(I read the Jews corrupted some hadiths) but since the hadith you quoted came from Sahih Bukhari I'm confused as some opinion said it was a metaphor.

As a Muslim should we follow the popular rib story or which one?

JazakaAllahu Khayra.

The thing is, the concept of SOUL is broad. Very BROAD. Soul means lots of things but little Allah revealed to mankind. So technically indeed, ribs are from the body and material body is from soul. Hence it is still within Adam's soul. Remember a verse in the Quran which instructs the prophet about the soul?. The verse says little is revealed in the kitab (Qur'an).

I understand that Jews infiltrated hadith. No doubt about that. I was going to post something to that effect today. I just remembered something last night before i went to bed. Anyways, ribs mentioned in the hadith or tafsir is not in conflict with nafs still. It is still within the scope. It is like when Allah says in different verses that he created mankind from nutfat(sperm) but did he create Adam from sperm?. No. Yet you and I came from sperm. And if you trace origin of sperm to the last, it goes back to clay or dust. He (SWT) also said He created mankind from clay, from dust etc. Its all means the same thing.

Now, to prove that ribs story is Jewish interpolation, you may need to bring up Biblical or Torah's theory of how Hawwa(as) was created to see if there is any comparison. I dont recall what their text says about that.

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The birthplace of Islam containing Mecca – Islam’s holiest site – shifted to the western Gregorian calendar on Sunday, bringing the oil-rich kingdom in line with many of its energy customers.

The Islamic lunar calendar is actually 15 days shorter than the 365-day solar year which will actually save the kingdom money by cutting salary days for many public servants.

The kingdom began the use of Islamic calendar since it was founded in 1932, Al Arabiya local news reported.

But austerity measures and the need to conserve funds caused the shift. The Saudi workers will now need to work more days to earn the salaries already sliced by government.

Now government employees will get less annual salaries than they used to receive.

The decision came after the cabinet announced last week the reduction of salaries of ministers and Shura members (advisors).

It was part of an austerity package, including cancellation and amendment of civil servants’ allowances and rewards, such as cancelling the annual bonus.

Saudi Arabia has taken a series of steps to deal with the dropping oil prices in global markets.

In Nigeria, the state government in Kano has earmarked Tuesday 5 October, as a special holiday to mark the Islamic year, which began on 1 October.


http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/saudi-dumps-islamic-calendar/164857.html




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Abu Said Al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allah (saws) said: "You will surely follow in the ways of those before you, span by span and cubit by cubit, so much so that if they were to enter an iguana's hole, you would follow after them." We said, "O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Then, who else?" In another hadith of Imam Tirmidhi's Sunan it is reported on the authority of Abdullah Ibn Amr that the Prophet of Allah (saws) further said, "If there was a person among them who went unto his mother publicly, there will also appear some in my Ummah who will do the same."

tintingz:
Asalaam Alaykum.

I have been doing research on the first creation of humans in Quran, Hadiths and scholars tafseer.

We all know how Adam(AS) was created but as for Eve(AS) Quran also mentioned how she(Eve) was created but scholars have brought up different opinions on how exactly she was created using the hadiths which says she was created from Adam's rib which the Quran didn't mention, some even said she was created from extra/remaining clay used for Adam.

It was making sense in the Quran until scholars started giving different opinions on how exactly Eve was created.

Walaikum Salaam.

Well, Qur'an does says this:



[size=15pt]“And God said: ‘O Mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam) and from Him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women.’”[/size] (Quran 4:1)


Underlined suggests a lot. It give rooms for theory and opinions. Hence, Tafsir ibn Kathir gave his opinion of Hawwa been created from ribs which is popular opinion


The hadith only give broad view of what @underlined means. The traditions of Prophet Muhammad(SAW) relate that Eve was created while Adam was sleeping from his shortest left rib and that, after sometime, she was clothed with flesh. He (Prophet Muhammad) used the story of Eve’s creation from Adam’s rib as a basis for imploring people to be gentle and kind to women. [size=13pt]“O Muslims! I advise you to be gentle with women, for they are created from a rib, and the most crooked portion of the rib is its upper part. If you try to straighten it, it will break, and if you leave it, it will remain crooked; so I urge you to take care of the women.”[/size] (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)


But there may be other tafasir of different opinions within Sunni exegesis. I believe Shi'i exegesis don't believe in ribs story.

Rilwayne001:
Uhmm! Recession is hitting me hard here. No money to buy data. I will check it out later tonight.

This recession self, abeg make una tell am to go away faah. Anyways, send me email through my NL profile with ur mobile and name of your service provider see what i can do

NEW!!! Jabata getting hit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtgM4lREGaU

Classical "Couch"

ak47yong:
Can I ask a question do any of you actually know about MMM or its ideology before shouting it's haram. I remember also trying forex and I had mixed answers. In the end I realized it was actually haram due to commission received by stockbrokers even when prominent scholars like zakr Naik said otherwise. so I really want an answer from some who actually knows how the system works not because you think it's too good to be true.

When it comes stocks or stockmarket, it is a mix of riba and halal means. Yes, there are element of halal in stock market but it got some dark side. Even investors and govt know that.

For instance, Bush administration jailed and still probing and jailing people for malpractices in FOREX/STOCKMARKET. They called it "INSIDER TRADING".

Dont expect them to sound religious in the issue. They simply described haram elements in it as FRAUD. Thats what they jailed people for.

[size=15pt]FORGOTTEN ASPECT OF NABUWAT:[/size] The Last Part Of Prophethood


[size=13pt]“When the time (of the end of the world) draws close, the dreams of a believer will hardly fail to come true, and a dream of a believer is one of the forty-six parts of prophethood.”[/size] (Bukhari)


True Dreams and True Vision


A dream may come from Allah to send message. A bad dream is from Shaytan. The interpretation of dreams varies from one person to another and from one atmosphere to another. However, there are certain facts you should know about, and all of them are based on authentic Hadiths quoted from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); they are:


First Hadith:

“A vision is from Almighty Allah (it's a form of divine inspiration) whereas a dream is from Satan. When any one of you have a bad dream, let him/her spit out (without saliva) to the left side and recite the two ‘Protective Surahs’ (An-Nas and Al-Falaq) and the dream will not harm him/her, Allah willing.”



Second Hadith:

“At the approach of the Hour, the Muslim will have a true vision, and honesty will help him to have the clearest and truest vision. Moreover, seeing a true vision is the 45th degree of prophethood. Vision is of three kinds: the good one with glad tidings from Allah; the bad dream, which is from Satan to invade hearts with sadness; the third one is the effect of an aforethought matter. So if any one of you sees something sad in a vision, he should offer two rak`ats in prayer and never reveal it to anyone.”




Third Hadith:

The Prophet said that if anyone sees him in his vision, he has truly seen him, for Satan can never disguise himself in the honorable form of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).


Example of a dream: If you see prophet(saw) in your dream without beard, he is saying to you have grow beard




Dreams are sometimes classified as of three kinds, ‘good and true’ dreams - which come from Allah (st), ‘evil’ dreams or ‘nightmares’ - which come from Satan, and dreams that emanate from our own ‘self’. The minimum knowledge of the subject which every believer should have is the knowledge with which to be able to classify his or her own dreams and thus to be able to recognize a dream which has come from Satan. That is indispensable since protective action from such a dream must be taken immediately after one wakes from sleep.

When the same dream has been repeated at different places in the text it is because the dream has a multidimensional application.


In addressing the subject of dreams we are, in fact, studying the heart and, as a consequence we are probing into the very depths of human nature and conduct. Some dreams are divine gifts to the heart, and such gifts come only when the heart is sound, healthy, innocent, and penetrated
with faith in Allah Most High. Other dreams represent attacks on the heart. And still other dreams are either medicine for the heart, or windows to the heart that allow us to see our own hearts.


The Qur’an informs us that Allah Most High punishes the disbelievers by sealing their ‘hearts’, and their ‘hearing’, and by placing veils before their ‘eyes’. (Qur’an, al-Baqara, 2:7). As a consequence such people cannot ‘see’!


We live, today, in a world in which the overwhelming majority of mankind, including some
Muslims cannot ‘see’. The only time a believer can be certain that he can ‘see’ is when he sees
in dreams! But most people no longer understand this.


Sheik Imran Hussein writes,


[b]A Muslim brother who is actively engaged in the mission of Islam in the islands of the Caribbean once wrote to me to advise that a Muslim should not attach any importance to dreams. So opposed was he to the subject that he felt that attaching importance to dreams was a form of Shirk (i.e., a form of compromise in the exclusive worship of the One God, Allah). Instead of being deviated by dreams, he advised, one should devote one’s attention to direct contact with Allah Most High. In fact the religious mind which produced that kind of opinion is new to this ummah (religious community) and has emerged as a consequence of the impact of the secularization of thought and knowledge by today’s dominant western materialist civilization. That secularism, which led to materialism, and which sometimes emerges in the form of a new godless religion called humanism, seeks support from science and rationalism, and is distinctly uncomfortable with all that relates to transcendental experience. The true dream is most certainly a transcendental experience! It is by design, and not by accident, that the modern godless age has relegated the phenomenon of true dreams to academic and intellectual obscurity. This is because the true dream cannot be explained using a new Western epistemology that is essentially directed towards negating the possibility or validity of knowledge from any source that transcends
scientific observation.[/b]


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FlirtyKaren:
Nigerian Twitter user Folarin shared his gripping story of how he once forgave a girlfriend who cheated on him and got pregnant along the line.
According to him, it was quite hard but he did it. Kindly read and be amazed!

http://www.lailasblog.com/2016/10/this-nigerian-man-forgave-took-his.html

Forgiving and taking her back is not the problem. The problem and what he needs to watch out for is being PLAYED. You see, from what i gathered in this drama is, she most recently just gave birth and still fresh with the other dude(baby daddy). Whether the guy(baby daddy) is responsible fellow or not, she may never put this dude first. Baby daddy will use the baby as pawn to get to see her. That's the problem. So most likely this guy may have to move on. But who is me to know. I am just talking from experience. Ladies can be very funny. She could just come back to her former man for many reasons like emotional comfort, financial assistance etc. And will ditch him again. He better watch out.

He Speaks About 73 sects from 50 mins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJB5M1DyMoc

This is better


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4slRE3V2y9s

Still On Light (Nur)

It is in Quran - O'People of belief, be mindful of Allah (SWT) and fear the consequence of disobeying Him and seek the "means of approach (wabtaghu elaihil waseelah) " to Him and strive earnestly in His path that it may be well with you' (Al-Ma'ida - 35).


All virtuous deeds are the means of waseelah to Allah (SWT). Salah, fasting, Hajj, Zakat and all other good deeds are the mediation to approach Allah (SWT). But the most important of all is the love of Allah (SWT) and His Apostle Mohammad (SAWS).


It is in Hadith - No one will be a Muslim or no one will have complete Islamic faith unless Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is more dearer to him than his own life, his children, his parents and the whole world.


It is in Quran - Qad Jaa'akum minallahi noorun wa kitabun mubeen" (Meaning - Without doubt 'the divine light' (noor) has come to you from Allah (SWT) and (in addition to) a book of illumination' (Al-Maa'ida - 15).

In the above verse, the purport of 'noorun' is Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) and 'Kitabun Mubeen' is Quran-e-Karim.


If we take the meaning of 'Waseelah' as 'approach' or proximity to Allah (SWT) (Qurb Illallah), then we need to walk towards Him in the light (noor) of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS). This means, we need to follow Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) in all our deeds. Thus for achieving proximity with Allah (SWT), Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) is the primary Waseelah. To achieve excellence in doing virtuous deeds, we also need to follow the four rightful Caliphs (Khulfa-e-Rashideen) of Prophet Mohammad (SAWS).

In the same way, we need to follow the four Imams of Fiqh, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Maalik, Imam Shafi'i, and Imam Hanbal.


Imam Abu Hanifa said, 'if I was not in the company of Hazrat Imam Ja'afar Sadeq (RU), I would have been perished".

[size=15pt]"[/size]All the above is covered in the meaning of Mediation (Waseelah). If we deny Prophet Mohammad's (SAWS) mediation claiming that (nauzubillahi he is dead and inactive by equating him with sinful human beings) the entire structure of our Islamic Faith will fall apart.[size=15pt]"[/size]


To Be Continued.....God Willing

Empiree:


EndTIME bAby


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-jyTUAwJ4Y

The username of the clip was removed. This is the video again of the "Endtime baby"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeVJ9XFg_VU

tintingz:
^^@Em.piree, I think the Quran verse(Quran 4:64) was talking about judge and people having dispute, disagreement during the time of Muhammad (SA) because I further read the next verse.

Anyways I understand your explanations, thanks for taking your time.

You welcome my brother. But dont forget to check out (Ma'ida ayah 35) and read various commentaries. This ayah talks about waseela as well.

In closing, i really dont want to post ay website with regards to this ayat of Waseela. Readers can reseach that. However, let me leave you with the verse again. Up to you to read various tafsir on it.

"And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah . And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah [size=15pt]and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful."[/size] (4:64)



^ SubhanaAllah! so not about judgement really. Rather Fi fi Ola Anobi Toro for short.

Thanks again for your time. JazakaAllah Khayran!

Just got this info

tintingz:
Thanks for the explanation but still shaky, let me agree salawat is like saying "ola anobi" I also said some Muslim say "ola Medina, ola mecca, ola qurani, ola sahaba, ola shiekh xyz" etc are these also part of the MEANS? Is it permitted?

Do you know in catholism they invoke Mary(AS) and Saints when they pray?

I have more questions but I don't want anything that will result to argument and derail this lovely thread.

No, as long as we debate or argue in a way that is best, no problem. This exchange of words is simply allowed in the Quran and Sunnah. If you ask my opinion on others like Ola Mecca , Medina etc, they never meant Mecca and Medina could do anything. La La La. If that's what they meant, that would have been different story. So Ola Mecca, Medina Sheikh xyz is still referred back to grace that Allah bestowed on them. This is different from Catholics. What I understand by that is they worship Mary. I have heard them called her "Mary mother of our god". Some call her god". So this is another thing entirely. See, it is very simple and it depends on background too. Let me give you simple example.

Say for instance you see a rich man, he is charitable and all that, whether you say it out or not, some people say "Olohun, fun mi ni owo bi Ola dangote (for instance). We all do this thing every day. unconsciously. It is only when it comes to religion be are conscious of it. Go and ask their Shuyuk who use Ola sheikh xyz, it is referring to grace that Allah bestowed on xyz sheikh like awliya etc. Why dont people use glory of mad man, poor man?

But me personally, I use Ola Anobi seldomly and I am telling you now that it is Qur'anic and Sunnatic in the whole wide world of Islam. Only fraction of people go against it. It was never a problem. They're just skeptical. That's all. Even Ibn Taymmiya(ra) and Ibn Abdaul Wahab (ra) were against it for very long time. But when they were about to die, they retracted their statement. However, truth must be told. There are people who have gone overboard in the name of Wasila or "Ola anobi". That's their cup f coffee. You and I are not responsible

However, we do not swear by Muhammad, Mecca, Medina, Sheik. No. A muslim should only swear by Allah. That's all

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See the verse I put up there, it is rich in meaning. At your request, I can provide classical commentary on it by Alhu Sunnah wajam. By Alhu sunnah wajama, I dont mean sect. Rather what us universally believed until some people recently claimed otherwise.

So if you want tafsir for it, let me know. Thanks

Also Wasila is mentioned in Surah al-Ma’ida, V: 35

tintingz:
Good, I've read the attachment.

There are other opinions that says the said hadiths are fabricated, corrupted and not to be accepted.

And as for "Ola Anobi" I don't say it when am making my dua I only do salawat, saying "Ola Anobi" will make me sound like Christians saying "in Jesus name". In fact some Muslims have extend it that they invoke "ola mecca, ola Medina, ola qurani, ola sahaba, ola shiekh xyz etc.
Are these permitted in sunnah I need clarification please because I like my prayers to be plain and direct to God.

I hope am not derailing this thread.

Again, you mixing it up. When Christians say "In Jesus name" or In Jesus name we pray", that's completely off. They invoke Jesus. But in the case of "Ola Anobi", that is wasila or tawasul. It is a MEANS. This is mentioned in the Quran. Prophet Muhammad(SAW) is MEANS #1. [size=15pt]Surah an-Nisa, 4:64[/size] But it is not compulsory it if you dont want to.


Let me give you example. It is way different from Christians. They say "In Jesus name we pray". But I have never seen muslim say "in muhmmad's name we pray" Rather Ola Anobi is actually Ola ti olohun bestowed on him. Yes, you can say it. It is not haram. It is wasila. Way different from Christians. Christian do not say Ola Jesu. They invoke him. Try to spot the difference. Just that i dont want to post video. That might be irrelevant. When you send salat on the prophet, you already indirectly say Ola anobi. You just dont know. And no, you are not derailing. Although I wasnt really going to this. I was going to post something else about Nabuwa. Will still do it anyways.

As long as you have iklas, why not, your prayer will be answered. It is in the Quran. The interpretation is what Ulama differ. They said it is okay when the prophet (saw) was alive but since he's gone, it is not valid. That's their opinion because there is another hadith where Prophet(saw) said "when he was alive (in our midst), his presence is good for us. When he is no more in our midst, his absence is good for us. What you dont do it invoking and asking prophet for anything. Dont do that.

And I am glad you said their are other opinion that say it is fabricated. That's opinion unfortunately. As you can see from the hadith itself, it says it is Hassan. What's funny is that, those who claim the hadith was fabricated would go to any length to defend spurious claims against the prophet(p). Claims that are not even sensible which many non-muslims use against us. We know the prophet differently. So call him anything you want except two(2) things: Dont say he is God or son of God. Anything after this, bismillah. Dont let them tell you it is shirk when you say Ola Anobi. It is not but it is not mandatory either. And I repeat, when you send salawat on the prophet, what do you think you are doing?. It is not just asking Allah to bless him. It is wasila (MEANS). Anytime you send salat on the prophet, the Angels notify the prophet in Barzakh that tintinz sends salawat on you(saw). He (SAW) not only returns his greetings to you but asks Allah to bless you and accept you too. English translation of salawat like Solat Ibrahimmiya for instance, doesnt really detail the power of that salawat. It is more than that.

tintingz:
Weew, took my time to read all. Nice write up.

But I have a question, There are debate among scholars why and reason Allah created the world.

• Was everything created because of Prophet Muhammad(SA) according to hadiths?

• or was it created for humans and jinns to worship and glorify Allah? Like Quran stated.

Please I need good clarity on this because I believe in the latter.

Maybe a thread should be created for this.

I think your questions relate to this one. Please read attachment. I am unable to copy it. Notice also that the hadith proves using glory of prophet Muhammad(SAW) in dua. Saying like "Ola Anobi Muhammad". Some people object to this.. That's their opinion.

tintingz:
Here are the Hadiths.

Al-Khitab through Ibn 'Abbas [may Allah be pleased with them both] that the Prophet [pbuh] said, "Jibril came to me and said: 'Allah said: 'If it were not for you [Muhammad] I would not have created Paradise and if it were not for you I would not have created Hellfire." The same hadith was mentioned by Ibn 'Asakr in Tarikh Dimishq from the narration of Salman al-Farsi in his wording: "I have created the world and its inhabitants to demonstrate your honor and status [I hold you in]. And if it were not for you O Muhammad, I would not have created the world."

Narrated by al-Hakim according to which Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

“Allah revealed to ‘Eesa (Jesus, peace be upon him): ‘O ‘Eesa, believe in Muhammad, and tell whoever you meet of your ummah (followers) to believe in him. For were it not for Muhammad, I would not have created Adam, and were it not for Muhammad, I would not have created Paradise and Hell. I created the Throne over the water and it would not settle until I wrote on it, La ilaha ill-Allah Muhammad Rasool Allah (There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah).”

^^ how real and authentic these hadiths are?

Subhanna! This ahadith especially the 2nd one tranquil my heart. I understand the ahadith and I know what they are saying. But out of respect for my intelligence and for the sake of academic purposes (this thread), allow me to run background check on them and I will be back here in sha Allah. Far as I'm concern it's not in conflict with Qur'an at all. I have understood the ahadith without knowing they exist

Thanks again. Really appreciate you posted these ahadith. Someone had said there was no proof 2yrs ago. Thanks again. JazakaAllah khayrann

tintingz:
Thanks for the reply.

That's why I said maybe another thread should be created for my question since yours is about the Prophet(SA) light.

My question falls under the hadith that says "were it not for Muhammad(SA) Allah would not have created everything" and there is a poem we use to sing when I was still very young in ilekewu(Arabic school) about the former.

Lol.... You kindly provide the hadith. Want to see how it is worded.

Besides, i think i know what you mean. I used to read the poem at ile kewu too. Well, there is nothing entirely false about the poem. It is mere logical deduction

But i still want to see hadith you referring to.

The reason they made up poem and statements like that is "daleeled" from Qur'an itself. For instance, in sura 33:56. This ayah is PRESENT CONTINUOUS TENSE not past tense. Ulama unanimously agreed upon this but unfortunately, some leaders over the centuries have sabotaged this ayah. This means as we speak right now, Allah and His Malaikat are presently sending salawat on the prophet(SAW). So there is more to it. No human knows the depth relationship btw Allah and Muhammad(saw). It is beyond us. So if Allah and His Angels do this, who is us humans and Jinn to say no?.