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lexiconkabir:
These are two different things, but as an innovator you seek to hide in things that are unclear, clearly prostration for veneration is haraam(considering the hadith in tirmidhi), but kissing hands and feets is not, so you intend to hide under the fact that to be able to kiss the hand you will resemble someone that prostrates outwardly but in reality, you are not venerating the person through prostration, rather your aim is the kiss the hand or feet, this is where you intend to hide which is quite pathetic but unsurprising.

Are you clear early in this discussion when you condemned someone you knew not?. ANd then went further to condemn ALL sufis together?. FUnny. So far, all i see once in a while is kissing feet. I guess you did not know this before. You just went to check what your sheik said bcus i made reference to him. You realized i was right and then you came back to agree with me. Isorait

As for prostrating outright to graves, very ignorant minority would do that. And our shuyuk warned that we should not call them kafir but lecture them. Still your approach is wrong. To prostrate outright to grave is shirk bcus you not supposed to do that. PERIOD. BUt you make it sound like MAJORITY do that. Wrong...........very wrong

^ and you claim to his so called secret knowledge, which has been passed around for far too long, I am sure you dont know what they talking about. "Secret knowledge" is nothing but Quran itself. It is nothing but some explanation and or interpretation of Quran, hadith etc. I will not take you serious bcus i know you dont have listening ears when sufi speaks. They speak not in your level. Just like english and english literature, english literature can be hard sometimes to understand. That's how sufis speak.

You want to compare your theoretical approach with spiritual approach?. That's a long way to go.

FriendChoice:
I concur. They prostrate to their Sufi shieks. Example is sheik Dahiru Usman in Bauchi State while he was comfortably sitting on a chair. For the avoidance of doubt I have the video before but not anymore. I will look for it on YouTube or ask friends.

They also do maulud with shi'a.

You brothers kinda naive though. I thought you are tough at distinguishing stuff. Maybe you need to ask Sheikh Uthaymeen (ra) on this. Go to their usual website and read what he said with respect to this. So you brothers are not proving anything so far. It is all guesswork.

I understand you no longer have picture to proof it but i am sure there are similar pictures on google. Kindly google one that is close to yours and let's see. There is a difference btw prostrating (as in shirk) and prostrating to your sheik. Prostrating to your shaykh, you most likely felt uncomfortable which is understood. What i mean by this is prostrating to kiss your sheik's feet or hand. It is in the Sunnah to do so and no one has the right to condemn it. What Shaykh Uthaymeen said is that the sheik may feel proud and it is better to avoid it. He did not say it shirk. But you're here saying it shirk. Maybe you are yet to study hadith to this effect.

Anyways, whether it is prostrating to kiss feet, kiss hand kiss this or kiss that, I dont do none of it not even my mom's hands and feet needless to say someone else. So far, you people are not proving anything. You are only skeptical and paranoid. That's all.

Besides, it is not ALL sufis. Only minority far as i know

Go and study more ahadith

lexiconkabir:
sufis are known for grave worship, saint worship, if that's not shirk to you, what is it? niasse claimed he was given the keys to secret divine knowledge, so what's the use of Muhammad's message if after his death some people claim to have some secret divine knowledge? this is why I can say Sufism and shi'ism are very identical, hence your friendship with a Shi'a.

You'd better not talk like this even to reasonable salafi shuyuk. They will be reasonable enough to analyze your statements. You are really not saying anything new. I am used to salafis the way they listen, the way they talk and the way they spew their judgement. Obviously, you really made general statement which brings ALL sufis in this camp. VERY WRONG..

Poor approach. Try harder next time. Underlined really got me laughing. Anyone who makes ziyara to grave now worships the grave and saint. That's funny.


I asked the other brother too to tell us what xyz sheik was doing against islam, he still never answered since 2014.

lexiconkabir:
like i said again people are not fools, sufis are known for shirk...

Fact here is, your approach is wrong. The brother's approach is wrong and disrespectful altogether. Even if we are to assume that's talisman on him, talisman itself is a controversial subject. There is no conclusive ijma on it. only individual or group of individual scholars maybe decisive on the matter. To write jargons or outlandish words that contain shirk is what is universally considered shirk. But if it is Qur'anic verses, they differ. So basing evidence on the picture is very wrong. And claiming sufis are known for shirk is irrational.

Ridah:
Who Knows Him Better? I Need Full Details About Him.

First all, with due respect, you in wrong place if you want to know this Sheikh in "details" as you claimed. That's like asking George Bush who Saddam is.

If you want to know him, you have to ask starting from random Sufi students online like facebook. They have Sufi pages there. That aside.

Look for Shuyuk that studied under him that are his friends, relatives and professional students etc. Sit down with them and let them tell you stories. If you are in nigeria this is easy. The least info you can find on him online is wiki which pretty much said some things. But the best is to contact locals, students, scholars and Shuyuk who know him very well. Here on NL, you are wasting your time and that's unfair. I can not verify the picture on the left. Even if you google it, i doubt you will find it. Ask poster where he got it from?.

Second, as you can see, it is not necessarily him they have problems with but sufi altogether which means even if you ask about another respected sufi sheikh, you will get worst descriptions of him. They did the same thing to Caribbean Sheikh Imran. On their website, they reddened his face, said all types of crazy things that even go against Sunnah they claimed they follow.

In conclusion to brothers who have made their comments, fear Allah. fear Allah, fear Allah. Let's assume that's picture of him with talismans, it is really old picture compared to his famous pictures of him we know. Let's assume that was his days of jahiliyah. If you google his name, I doubt you will find any of his pictures with such things. It is okay if you hate him but you have to understand that what goes around comes around. We do not speak ill of our Shuyukh whether we favor them or not. And like have said, i really cant verify the picture and it is really old.

This reminds me of UK preacher Angem. When he ran his mouth too much and media wanted to bring him down by obtaining his old picture when he was a jahil doing his fling fling things with ladies. No beard, casual dress and sometimes suit. The picture was taken in a bar to put him down. Luckily for him, media plan did not work bcus no one gave fig leaf.

My point, we do not use people's past to judge them after receiving guidance. Let's take George Bush for instance, he is so much hated for his action on iraq. If he reverts to islam today, the least muslims can do is to implore him to confess and make public apology. After that, we have no right to bring his past to hunt him again. Anyone who does that is a fasiq.

I really can't give you info about him bcus i do not know. And I'm sure you cant get details here either bcus they do not know. They will tell you what they want you to know. So if you truly want to know him in detail, get offline and ask Shuyukh who know him well. Not here.

Besides, you might need to read his books on islam and spirituality and all that. The people giving you info here are like great great grandchildren to him.

Geez..........this is getting deeper and becoming more nd more adult content . VIEW DISCRETION ADVISED. Loving it.

Kontinu....

AlBaqir:
# We Muslims do things according to book "only". You follow Allah and the Prophet for your best interest.

# Saying you just read "for the first time" that hadith says Nabi fasted in Makkah simply means you don't read "argument for and against" Ashura fasting yearly on NL. Even this is repeated while I reply the OP. And that is a big big thorn in the flash when Ibn Abbas hadith is brought to the fore. And if we try to marry the two hadiths together, we equally run into yet another exposure of a giant conspiracy.

# All these simply shows there are lies and fabrications in the so-called "sahih Bukhari and Muslims".

You see, you dwell too much on this. I have made my point clear that it is all irrelevant to me bcus Ashura itself is not obligatory. If someone is forcing it down my throat now, that would be challenged. Sunnis do not deny abrogation but from what i read it is clear that it's there only to encourage people to fast and they see nothing wrong in it. You could be wrong for saying the fast is invalid and no virtues in it. That's for Allah to decide.

I am not concerned about what xyz ahadith said. We already seen too many controversies in them. Ashura is no longer legislated and the way Shia celebrate it is not legislated either. The only reference Shia has is "love of Alhu-Bayt". Hence, the reason to mourn. I get that part but dont tell Sunni they arent getting rewards for fasting that day. The real reason they kept Asura in place is bcus of hadith which says prophet(p) would have fasted the 9th the following year. Hence, he would continue to fast Ashura by their logical deduction. So Ulama validated Ashura on that as well.

As for me, I have told you that Ashura is not about fasting and getting rewards. All that are just bonus. Its message is indirectly mentioned in the Quran in connection with musa(as). And I mentioned that the incident btw Musa and firaun will be repeated btw muslims and wicked jews. Thats the real concern that we all missing. Not the fast.

^ Hope you not affected by Hurricane Mathew?

I have derailed your thread. Now let's get back here

We also need to understand that a mslim can fast in month of Muharam bcus it is considered one of the best months. Doesnt necessarily have to be on the 10th. I tis just Nafila. This hadith proves virtues of fasting on Muharram:


Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

"The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: 'The best of fasting after Ramadhan is fasting Allah's month of Muharram.' "

--- Reported by Muslim, 1982


The thing is there are different incidents that happened on that day. I guess everyone picked whichever pleases them. Victory of Musa(as) recorded. Martyrdom of Imam Hussein(ra) recorded. A version narrated by Imam Ahmad adds: "This is the day on which the Ark settled on Mount Judi, so Nuh fasted this day in thanksgiving,"


Here is where differences might occur. It is Mustahabb (Encouraged) to Fast Tasu'a' with 'Ashura':


'Abdullah ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: "When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fasted on 'Ashura' and commanded the Muslims to fast as well, they said, 'O Messenger of Allah, it is a day that is venerated by the Jews and Christians.' The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, 'If I live to see the next year, in sha Allah, we will fast on the ninth day too.' But it so happened that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away before the next year came." [Reported by Muslim, 1916]


Ash-Shafi'i and his companions, Ahmad, Ishaq and others said: "It is mustahabb to fast on both the ninth and tenth days, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fasted on the tenth, and intended to fast on the ninth."

On this basis it may be said that there are varying degrees of fasting 'Ashura', the least of which is to fast only on the tenth and the best of which is to fast the ninth as well. The more one fasts in Muharram, the better it is.



The Reason Why it is Mustahabb to Fast on Tasu'a'


An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

"The scholars – our companions and others – mentioned several reasons why it is mustahabb to fast on Tasu'a': The intention behind it is to be different from the Jews, who only venerate the tenth day. This opinion was reported from Ibn 'Abbas …The intention is to add another day's fast to 'Ashura'. This is akin to the prohibition on fasting a Friday by itself, as was mentioned by al-Khattabi and others. To be on the safe side and make sure that one fasts on the tenth, in case there is some error in sighting the crescent moon at the beginning of Muharram and the ninth is in fact the tenth."


The strongest of these reasons is being different from the People of the Book. Shaykh ul-Islam ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: "The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) forbade imitating the People of the Book in many ahadith, for example, his words concerning 'Ashura': 'If I live until the next year, I will certainly fast on the ninth day.' " [Al-Fatawa al-Kubra, part 6, Sadd adh-Dhara'i' al-Mufdiyyah ila'l-Maharim]

Ibn Hajar (may Allah be pleased with him) said in his commentary on the hadith "If I live until the next year, I will certainly fast on the ninth day" and "What he meant by fasting on the ninth day was probably not that he would limit himself to that day, but would add it to the tenth, either to be on the safe side or to be different from the Jews and Christians, which is more likely. This is also what we can understand from some of the reports narrated by Muslim." [Fath, 4/245]


So all these are non-issues to me bcus it is no enforced on anyone or made obligatory.

AlBaqir:
^ Empi.ree, it is very unfortunate that nearly every question and vital points posed on this thread is either being dodged or attention is diverted to avoid it.

# Again, we challenge the hadith attributed to a 3 - 4 year old Ibn Abbas (in 1/2year Hijra) that Jews never fasted on the 10th of Muharram. Yehudi never followed the pagan or Muslim calendar. They have their own "divine" calendar and they observe all the dated forms of worships therein. Mathematically 10th Muharram never synchronized with the month/day of Jewish fasting for victory.

If I avoided some posts, it means it is irrelevant to me. I know Jews had their own calendar. My only concern was it was abrogated by Ramadan and many text references and Shuyuk confirmed this. Anything else is just not in my best interest. But i get where you driving at. You Have to understand that Sunnis will not agree if you try to convince them that Ashura was about Imam Hussein since there is no direct evidence/reference to that link.

Besides, it is complex than I thought earlier. I even read yesterday that Nabi(p) fasted Ashura in Makkah before hijra. Dont know and cant confirm that bcus it was just talks with no reference. What is important to me is not whether their their calendar synchronized or not. I read on that last night too. My point is, if a muslim chose to fast on Ashura it is btw him and his Lord. We do not have the right to say their is no reward in it. What is frown upon, even by Ibn Taymiyah(ra) is making noise over it like they do today plus many other things like celebrating or mourning etc

ShiaMuslim:
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Walaikum Salaam,

I believe I responded the best way I could. I have mentioned about timing of those ahadith. I have read further on Ashura as well. Indeed, there is no doubt it was abrogated by Ramadhan. What I did not know initially was the obligatory of Ashura for Banu Israil. I thought it was voluntary. I have read some literature from medieval scholars and their contemporaries. They affirmed Ashura is abrogated but only preserve it optional. And I dont think you brothers should have problems should anyone chooses to fast on that day. That's btw worshipers and their Creator.

I may post further on this as time permits In Sha Allah

DevotedOne:
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. Yoruba? I don't think so. My family is from the Caribbean. Maybe there are some Igbo (ebo) ancestors in the older family.


Wassalaam. DevotedOne

in another word, you are pretty much Caribbean national. That's good. I hope your are trini

What part in US u live? . We registered about the same time. ...lol

Adek15:
thanks everyone for the contributions. I asked where the 30%is coming from and was told through "clicking on the website" same way Facebook and naturals make their money" does it still fall into usury?

the company told you this? . If so, that's marketing then. What I understand by that is you create a website and anytime people click on ads on your site you get paid certain percentage. That's like you allow company(s) to advertise their products on your website. That's good.

Where fraud exists might be if they take money from you to register but did not follow up.

So there are people that buy products from the website....that's how they make their money and you get commission. This is different from bank that tells you flat that interest in your account accrued through business you deal with them. (Deposit )

Oooh..This thread

I just confused it with similar thread. Anyways, my conclusion on this is, attention should be paid to details of TIMING of ahadith in this respect. It doesn't mean those solitary ahadith are false. We just need to do a little data searching before arriving at conclusion.

Far as I'm concerned, I see Ashura just as facing old Qibla (Jerusalem) before a new Qibla(Makkah) was mandated. The new Qibla abrogated old one. Same applies here. If Ashura was fard for the Jews (which I did not know until now), then, Ramadan abrogates it.

The only thing I can say now to be fair to those who fast this Ashura(myself included ), is nabi left the option open if the hadith valid at all. Until I see evidence otherwise, this is my conclusion.

Whoever wants to fast on Ashura may do so. And may Allah accept it as ibadah. Ameen.

However, I have to just iterate that the main message of Ashura, like I have said before, is not particularly about fasting itself or for the benefits of warding off sins, the main msg is about event or incident btw Nabi Musa (and israelites ) versus Pharaoh. This event will repeat itself in akhir zaman. That's the message Jews (wicked ones) don't want to hear now.

^

Walaikum salaam.

Are you Yoruba man?. I'm just curious. It may be irrelevant though.

@lexicon, usermane is coming for you for the timing. Let's see if he agrees with you

^^^^^

Honestly, really don't like the way you worded your post...

.like "your putin buddy" etc. Even writer of the article did better by saying Muslims are being played in the whole thing. And that's just the bigger picture I'm looking at. I'm not in support of any but i rather side a little with lesser of the two evils.

Syria was peaceful until terrorists that you called "majahideen" backed by McCain and western politicians paid them to fight their govt. Are you happy with Libya now?


Libya is NATO country right now and still in shamble. How do you like that? . It's the same folks they used to bring down Gaddafi. Same thing they are doing in Syria.

I'm not in support of Assad but fact remains. ...if those terrorists did not rise against him, there would not have been this chaos. Agreed?


They simply want Syria to become another Libya. Period. All being done in favor of Israel to replace Assad with more violent self-proclaimed "Islamic state" which really has nothing to do with Islam. And you are here embracing them?.

Everyone worries about men, women and children being killed. That's sad thing. But to simply say Assad is wrong just makes no sense to me. What is wrong is you are saying "islamic state", who are actually criminals should come to power in Syria. That's what you are saying here and they are backed by super powers. Ever wonder why they never challenged Israel? . They will NEVER EVER DO THAT bcus they are on payroll and scripted. I'm only analysing base on Islam not sect or politics. In the end you will realize that same people funding nusra and other terrorists that you failed to call them what they are, are the same people funding boko boys. Assad is not a threat to Islam right now and definitely not to me. Bh and ISIS are - funded by same powers. Ofcourse Russian would do things in its favor somehow. But so far he prevented Syria from being another NATO oil grabbing country

lexiconkabir:
Its a scholarly view.

Good

May Allah forgive us and forgive me if I'd said anything wrong on this subject.

Question for albaqir and Shiamuslim, is there a specific order by the prophet(p) on Ashura in reference to Imam Hussein?

Many incidents occurred on Ashura. Death of Imam Hussein(ra) is one of them, victory of Musa(as) is one of them. I believe when the prophet(p) said Muslims have more right to Musa(p) than the Jews, it means Ashura is Divine msg like I have said earlier, that will re-enact historical process. That process is what we are witnessing today btw Muslims and Zionist Jews. Today, Muslim Palestinians represent ancient Jews. Zionist Jews represent Firaun.

Fir'aun was tyrannical and declared himself god almighty. The veil was removed from his eyes the last minutes.Same thing will eventually happen to the present tyrants. Veil will be removed from their eyes at the time when Isa(as) returns.

What is abrogated in fasting of the Jews was the rulings. They used to fast from sunset to sunset and were not allowed to copulate with their women until Ramadan was legislated (2:187)

So Jews have been fasting way before the prophet(p) arrived in Medina. This is what survived in the religion of Ibrahim(as) just like Arabs performed tawaf or haj but not in accordance with Shari'a. They continued these rituals because it survived from religion of Ibrahim(as).

So there is a very close reference btw Muslims and Musa in historical in historical process and it just make perfect sense to fast voluntarily for whoever wants.I am not against Shia if they choose to commemorate Ashura for Imam Hussein so long as it is within boundaries of Shari'a. There is a hadith in Sahih Muslim I think, that the prophet wanted to decide what to do the following year to distinguish Ashura of Jews from Muslim but he passed before the next year. The hadith just appeared curious but it is believe that he would have fasted a day before and after Ashura. It becomes voluntary Sunnah

My lecture in college would say it is okay for woman to wear pant (trouser) provided she wears abaya over it to cover her contours. This is my view.

It is my view bcus, in this day and age when some men can't hold themselves and would go any length to r!pe. It is very important wear something down there to protect themselves from scavengers

So there is nothing wrong if women should trouser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yndp3XXejgc

Still Following & Learning

Getting Interesting Than I previously Thought.......

Didn't Know Tingtinz Is This Meticulous

You Must Have Been Pondering For Long Time How Hawwa Could Be From Adam(as)

Must Be Painstaking ummmm?

gatiano, how are you? Where have you been?/ Did not see you around long time. Everything good?

Jazakallahu Khair.

Thannks

AlBaqir:
# How does the actions of salafi-wahabi-influenced ISIS, ISIL, BOKO HARAM etc present Islam in the world? Are Sunni, Salafi and Shi'a ulama not doing enough?

# I simply don't understand why you keep harmering repeatedly on "Tatbir". I just opened a thread on that for Allah's sake. For your information, Tatbir is Haram by the fatawa of all major Shia Maraji. Do you expect the ulama to be canning them? Tatbir is only found in some area of the Indian-Pakistan because of their agelong cultural practice which crept into Islam. Interestingly, non-muslim-Shia of these region practice this blood ritual. Do you hear of Tatbir in Nigeria as we have more than 15 million Shia? Do you hear of Tatbir in Shia majority Iran, Iraq, Bahrain, and other Shi'i minority communities? Why trying to judge this action of a fraction over millions?

No, you read it wrong. I am not trying to blame all Shia for actions of few. I am just worried how they managed to gained so much publicity despite their few number. Really don't know how else to stop those clowns.

# I have challenge severally your documentations and arguments on Ashura fasting. You have done nothing other than repeating its optional.

# Wallahi its ridiculous telling me Nabi followed Jews. The pics you attached with that exact message is never found in sahih Bukhari. If you have reference for it, kindly share.

On this note I bid you guys farewell on this forum.

Salam alaykum.

I did this on purpose

Honestly, from what I am reading elsewhere, even from Sunni text shows abrogation of that specific fast on Ashura, especially the way those ahadith i posted earlier are worded. It is exactly what happened to the issue of Rajm. Thats why i told you early that Muslims today fast not necessarily bcus of Musa(as) affiliation but bcus of the benefits attached (wiping sins of previous year). That's what attracts muslims today. Please reason with that for a minute. It is ONLY when it comes to debate or academic purposes they talk about in "commemoration of victory" of Israelite from Pharaoh. This is common trend, especially to Western audience. But in reality, most of us fast because of the hadith


"Fasting the day of Ashura, I hope from Allah SWT He will expiate or remove the sins of the year that came before."


All other ahadith portray Ashura as something done temporarily, done with and abrogated just like Rajm. Here is one if the ahadith:



"The Prophet SAW never [size=15pt]loved to fast in a month as he used to[/size] love to fast in the month of Muharram."


This means it is abrogated. I personally fast on this day for its virtues/benefits not for commemoration at all. So do people I know. That's what many of us know when we hear Ashura. Also, Scholars, especially those in the West love to emphasize on "commemoration of victory of Banu Israel" to their Jewish audience as a result of interfaith dialogue. This wakes up some non-muslims and they wonder what Islam has to do with Jewish faith.


Take for instance this extract (below):


[size=15pt]Musa AS is the brother of our Prophet Muhammad SAW, and we believe in all the prophets. The Prophet Muhammad SAW loved all the prophets and he used to try to get closer to them as they are his brothers. So when he heard this, the Prophet SAW said: ‘I have more right over Musa than you’. And he SAW fasted this day and ordered his companions to fast as well. This is the history behind it.[/size]

http://www.halaloccasions.com/article/38/virtues-of-'ashura.html


Note the only excuse given there ^ is bcus prophet Muhammad(saw) is the brother of Moses(as). This is not enough proof to fast for victory. So personally, I believe fasting on the day of Ashura itself is abrogated but mustahab and rewardable. However, it is not proper to say fasting on Ashura is not rewardable or bid'a. It is a fast not like drinking whiskey or beer. The reason majority Sunnis go against Shi'a is bcus of limit placed on mourning the dead. But unfortunately some amongst Shia have gone overboard which makes it less attractive. But I personally get the message.

Also, we seem to be missing the point really. It is not necessarily about "victory of Mosa(as)". It is rather sending a message to the Jews in our current affairs of their lying fate predicament. Like they are doing to muslims now in Palestine, acting like firaun, the victory will be repeated in historical process. That is the message. Not about whether it is abrogated or not.

Wallau Alam

ayinba1:
We need to realize that our approach to terrorism is all wrong. Terrorism cannot be defeated by nipping at the edges or by killing individual agents or groups. That hasn’t worked and that won’t work. The cancer has to be eradicated at its source which — in all probability– means either dismantling or reigning in the CIA and bringing its deep-state paymasters to justice. That is how one wins the war on terror.

Looks like author himself doesn't get it(perhaps, he does). They are simply not interested in defeating terrorism. It is what they wanted and what they are created for. Muslims are simply their stooges. But that's only those who chose to get paid. Make no mistake - this is going to lead to Malhama.

@ShiaMuslim and albaqir, I can understand "cry" aspect in the light of reciting Qur'an, narrating seerat nabi (saw) etc. Indeed, concussion Muslims would ponder, sober and perhaps cry. It's not uncommon when we recite Quran and get emotional as you said about Sheikh Sudais (May Allah preserve him). I also remembered last year when I attended a conference headed by Dr. Shabir Ali (may Allah preserve him), some people sobed indeed. So it's not uncommon really when this day of Ashura is commemorated.

However, Shia ulama need to do more to clamp down on Tatbir. I'm sorry I have to repeat this cus it's very disturbing. I don't know of majority do rods or not but I know not all of them. Shia ulama should not differ on condemning it. This is what they show to people in the West as "Islam".

I'm not against if they want to commemorate Ashura for Imam Hussein. As you rightly said that they do recite poems and narrate stories, that's fine. I was going to suggest that as well.

And for the fact that Rosululahi (saw) recommended fastin before and after Ashura to distinguish ourselves from the Jews still make the fatty valid and optional. Plus who don't wants to hear his sins of previous year would be forgiven for fasting that day. I would

tintingz:
My definition of modern Muslim here are not sect-like like the Quranist, reformist, submitters etc who believes in their own ideololgy, methodology like every other sects. So please don't try to regroup what I've observed here, just post what you have personally observed.

My definition of modern Muslims are Muslims who have adopted the modern culture to their everyday life and it has nothing to do with western. The western didn't start modernity.

UAE for example is an Islamic country who has so much adopted the modern culture.

Taliban for example are anti-modern.

"Modernist" is a broad concept and anyone at any time can be just that. It depends place and time, and it means and interpreted differently.