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AlBaqir:
# I don't care, I don't mind. All na same brother. That's choice of English translation. It doesn't change anything. It remains a racial and unjust statement after a group have been destined for paradise and other for hell before they even came to earth and before they even sinned or do good deeds. Obviously it makes our actions here meaningless and Qiyamat, a mere show trial.

I understand bold part. But I am really saying is, it should be snubbed or discountred even though it sounds irrational. It doesn't bother me as a person.

AlBaqir:
# Emp.iree there is no ijma in tatbir o. Kindly read my quote up there ^

Geez!, I am really getting confused about this topic. Seems there are multiple threads about this. I just left a comment on the like. This subject really got me confused a lot. I dont want to comment on this anymore to avoid posting in wrong thread.

Yes, to be fair, it is not ijma. I see that actually and i respect that. That's what i said in my last post in this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3406280/2016-ashura-day-shia-slash/1#50251803 That's really my point all along.


Those opposing view (ulama) just need to be more assertive against it. That's all.

sino:
I was referring to your statement, "I believe the hadith as a whole is khayr but just that little element was unnecessarily inserted", which I presume to mean was inserted by fabricators and the likes, if you mean the translation used by AlBaqir, then I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

Oh no. when i said "little element was unnecessarily inserted", I was referring to a phrase "I dont care" in the hadith. In another version, is says " I dont mind".

Thats why i said the phrase should be discounted. I am not bothered much by the phrase. I already looked around and it was not addressed by scholars why the little statement is there.

MrOlai:
@bolded

Below are fatawa from shia scholars permitting and encouraging shia people slashing themselves:



Shia and deception!

That's Shi'a problem. Where I live, I dont see them do that. Sure it will be considered a crime if they do.

However, my point is, let's assume it is ijma amongst Shi'a altogether, what exactly we want to derive from it every year?. For me, once they said their leader condemns the act, it is sufficient. I dont want to dig anything. The more you dig the more nonsense you see. So whats the point?. Plus it is not sunnah to dig into anything. It is not. So my question is, by next year, you will start all over again and achieve nothing.

Where i live, everyone minds their business. We all come to masjid as muslims and practice only UNIVERSAL doctrines. Any questionable practices are done in private. Thats not anyone's business.

This really should be govt issue and deemed it a crime. If they want to cut off themselves in their privacy, fine but dont come do that in public. So all these cutting here and there is not done in my area yet Shi'a exist here. Arent they aware of this too?. My real concern is what exactly is your alternative approach to convince them this is irrational act?. Posting this every solves nothing. I am told Shi'a in Nigeria dont do this. It doesnt seem to be universal practice. Do those Shuyuk who support this silly act belong to a sect in Shism or different ones?.

They dont seem to be on the same page on the issue

http://www.middleeasteye.net/in-depth/features/spilling-blood-shia-under-attack-ashura-Muslim-religion-tatbir-1639365641

sino:
Bro, you just don't make statements you cannot prove, especially with regards to religious issues. It is better you are silent. First let me bring a better translation of the said narration:

Narrated AbudDarda'

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants. He struck his left shoulder and there emitted from it the black offspring as if they were charcoal. He then said (to those who had been emitted) from the right (shoulder): For Paradise and I do not mind. Then He said to those (who had been emitted) from his left shoulder: They are for Hell and I do not mind.

Transmitted by Ahmad

Source: http://www.alim.org/library/hadith/TIR/38

Secondly, the narration used the same phrase for both the people of paradise and the people of hell, what does that tell you?! That is justice, each group getting what they deserve, and no prejudice involved! One of the first aspect of tawheed is to understand Allah's will, which is divided into two Qawniyah and Shar'iyah. When you have full understanding of this two, you wouldn't fall into doubts and skepticisms, and finding it difficult to accept and understand the narration in question.

I dont think what i said go against what you and lexicon have said. And what you said here doesnt contradicts what I said either. If I'd simply said it daef would have been different case. I m not naive when Quran speaks of "black and white faces". I know it is more like metaphorical. So your post here doesnt really concern me that much. As you can see, albaqir seems to disagree with me as well.

Maybe I should rephrase it. I said "If it is taken literally it would have been in conflict with Qur'an". Is that difficult to understand?. I dont think i have disagreed with what you and lexicon have been saying. Maybe you misunderstood my post.

AlBaqir:
@@bold, unfortunately that is exactly what this hadith says even with that unjust, racial statement which all these brothers ran far away from. I meant the statement of "I don't care ". Is that also "Owe?"

Well, that shouldn't be much of a problem. The phrase " I don't care" should be discounted as one of those attributed flinges . I believe the hadith as a whole is khayr but just that little element was unnecessarily inserted. Another version of the hadith uses " I don't mind".

Trust albaqir would bring it on

The hadith, as I said before, OWE NI.

I'm not the type that supports anything and everything placed in Sahih hadith but I rather be selective after going through some searches.

This particular hadith in the op, OWE NI


It is only problematic if taken literally. If the above hadith is taken to signify that inhabitants of both Paradise and Hell Fire will be from amongst the descendants of Adam (a.s), it's fair determination.

But if the quoted hadith statements are taken to mean that Allah created one race or color of people for Paradise and another for Hell, or that all people of race, color would go to paradise and the other for Hell, then such determination are absolutely against the clear Guidance and cannot be accepted as authentic.

Allah says in sura Al-Qur'an ayat 6-11. Read that yourself.

This is very simple.

tintingz:
Thanks for sharing more stories.

... But you didn't finish telling what later happen to the man you said was seeing jins in Canada.

The reason I asked was why didn't he go to shiekhs in Canada for ruqya or are there no shiekhs in Canada? why running back to Nigeria, or is there a special ruqya in Nigeria? His he still seeing jins after he ran back to Nigeria? Except the story is not real like that of Nollywood movies.

Probably he did not know any place. Someone who doesnt believe in Jinn would care less where ruqya place is. The Sheik did not finish the whole thing. He cut it bcus that was not the main subject. He was talking about someone else before jumping to these ones. Plus I dont think i watch the whole clips yet. It is parts.

I know witches exist (never seen one tho ) and red eye but the funny thing is I have someone here who sees(suspect) all women living around him as witches hunting him, if he has stomach pain na witches, headache na witches, birds na wiches, cats na witches, cocroach na witches everything are witches work.
I see him as someone who's paranoid, I don't blame him he said he grew up where witches are many that's what he said.

This one is paranoid. They probably taught him a lesson (punishment) before.

Did shiekh Akindele video his exorcism?

Yes. Not that he perform exorcism in the video. He narrates his experiences. Hopefully i can find the clips. I think it is titled "Abayo lowo alujonu ati Aje". Something like that.

tintingz:
I believe they exist but the way you put it looks like the person is delusional and need to see a psychiatrist or better still an imam in Canada instead of running back to Nigeria.

I would love to hear the rest of the story.

Well, i cut it short bcus the brother was acting fuuny. Thats why i let it slide. What he doesn't understand is, it is impossible that Allah tells us everything of His mystery theoretically. This story i was telling him was just a tip. I think i have full lecture on it in one of my threads. Anyways, the story was narrated by Sheikh Akindele who specializes in quqya.

The more you practice the more you acquire vast experience about many things that are not even directly mentioned in the Quran or hadith. But the brother doesnt get it. It is like a trained medical doctor who just finished masters and got hired. It is not possible for the doctor to know everything in medical school without practicing what he learned. It is only during hands on training (on the practical level) he gains more experiences or discovers more.

Well, Sheikh Akindele said his client who is a Yoruba Muslim man denied existence of jinn. And he was warned by people. But God so good, He showed him the haqiqa.(reality). Now what I was really trying to tell the brother was that, the same Shik Akindele narrated his experience about a lady that got possessed. We all know ruqya is performed on someone who is possessed by jinn and jinn talks through the person. We can see this on YouTube. This is very common throughout history. But this sheik narrated something I have never heard before. That a lady was possessed by fellow human being. The woman (a witch) claimed that the young lady offended her just like these brothers are running their mouth against awliya Allah. So the woman enters the young lady's body and talks through her.

Did Qur'an and hadith mentioned something like this?. Absolutely not. But does Quran and hadith gave clue about these things? Yes. Sheikh Akindele said he never experienced anything like this. He said he asked the witch "are you sure you are not a jinn?". She said she's fully human being and even described who she is and where she lives to the Sheikh.Sheikh was dumbfounded. She said she would not leave the lady alone regardless of how many times Sheikh recites Quran until the young lady apologizes to her and obeys what she demanded of her. Sheikh Akindele said he pled to her to leave the young lady first and then she would apologize. And she did.

Did prophet or any sahaba mention something like this before?. No. So this proves the difference btw theoretical and spiritual/practical approach. Sheikh Akindele is a salafi and I barely see salafists say something like this. I believe his story bcus i grew up around stuff like this. But these brothers think if something in not mentioned in the kitab and Sunnah it doesnt exist. That sounds like atheism to me. It is their opinion.

tintingz:
Did he actually see the jin or he was just paranoid, delusional?

Sometimes we assume things in our mind as unrealistic supernatural attacks.

the thing exist bro..and can be scary

tintingz:
Round around it goes. The Sunni vs Shia infinite war that will one day kaboom this religion.

you know it could be easily resolved if people would cool off. I'm really being tired of it.

This type of argument is irrelevant to me. You brothers have no strategic means of solving sectarian differences. I have laid down my strategy here severally. I am sure by 2017, you will still continue this nonsense. Maybe you need to back search my posts from 2014. It is irrelevant talking over this.

Too much noise.

Allah knows who truly worships Him

{SamiAllah Limon Amidau}

^^^ friendchoice

Honestly, you should be subtle in your speech. Your approach would not work even if you are correct.

I dont believe in the idea of Karbala having more rewards than visit to Kaaba. That's common sense. And no muslim should believe otherwise. I know you are referring to me and some people here. That's okay. I am not in support of some of the Shi'a practices. So you trying lump Shi'a, Sufi and christianity all together makes no sense. I have been on NL for a while. Maybe you should point out where my stands have been in conflict with Islam since i have been a member. Please do.

It is up to Shi'a to clarify what the man in the video said. Besides, I try to be as just as i can towards them. The first thing to do when you watched the video is to try to give them excuses, verify veracity of the guy's claims and review his claims with Shia members here, their scholars and their literature before you conclude. I am sure you don't understand the language in the video.

So i have watched the video and I understood what he said based on translations. I took his words for him. But when I searched internet, I did not see the claims the man made in the video. Maybe he made his stuff up. I don't know. Maybe he's correct, I don't know but i did not see any text reference for his claims. You can help me post a link if you have one. Thanks. He could as well be a jerk, you know.

Your problem is you were in or joined crazy sufi people and you have no idea how to control your aggression against sufism after you left the group. You once said you were made to bow to or kiss a Sheikh's feet. But I was never into this. All those things are strange to me. So I will allow you to rant and make as many allegations as you can. I was never in any sufi group. I grew up muslim. Many of you that now go against basic principles of sufism were really in deviant sects but i was in none. it means you did not know what you were doing. You didn't know basics. You were "taqlid" people but I was not. So keep making all sorts of allegations against me. Your behaviour resembles someone tortured in prison, when he finally gets out, he becomes devil himself. Sufism is not sect. It is now they make it like that. Sufism is spiritual heart of islam. Thats the essence and that's what i defend. I don't defend group(s).

In life, one of the most important choice you will need to make is who to marry. This choice is so important that if you miss it, you will suffer for long, if you get it right then you will enjoy forever.


A bad marriage can affect every other area of your life. This subject is so important to the extent that so many married people are hoping to be single again so as to be able to make the right choice all over again. If you are single please don't just be in a hurry to get married, because you still have the best opportunity to prepare for it.


For two people to come together to live in peace and harmony, they must agree spiritually, mentally and physically. Just like an elephant cannot marry an ant so also a believer cannot marry an unbeliever. If an elephant marries an ant how would they live, if a goat marries a fish where would they meet?


You must look for a sincere and righteous man or a sincere and righteous woman to marry, nothing can beat this. The devil's primary target is the family. He knows that everyone belongs to a family and if he can bring two wrong people together in marriage, then he will succeed in breaking the community ties and the nation down as a whole, and this is part of what we're witnessing all over the world presently.



Ignore your age and the pressure for a moment, the pressure in a wrong marriage is far worse. ALLAH has somebody for you but you must set your priorities right. What do you need in a woman? What do you need in a man? Marriage is not about what you want, it is about who you need, that will make you better while you make him better, it's not something you just jump into. That is why you must know your purpose before you get married. You must pray before you choose.


ALLAH knows the best person for you, it is only wise to seek His will. It is very easy to know ALLAH's will when sex is not involved. The moment sex is involved and you want to know His will then He will blank you out. Why? Because you have broken His first Law of NO SEX before marriage. If you have had sex in the past then you need to repent totally and stay away from each other, then you can seek forgiveness from ALLAH. Your marriage will not be hell on earth.


Your marriage will be honourable. Don't marry for sex, don't marry because you are of age, don't marry because you are getting old, don't marry because you are lonely, don't marry because you need someone to support you financially, don't marry because you mistakenly got pregnant, don't marry because you don't want to lose the person, don't marry because of family pressures, don't marry because you like the idea of marriage and admire every wedding gown you see, don't marry because all your friends are getting married


But get married because you want to fulfill what ALLAH has ordained on every slave of His. Get married because you want to be a help mate, but most of all, because you want to fulfil a purpose of having completed half of your religion, your deen. ALLAH will help you in choosing, please let's all continue to pray pervently to Allah for all we want. He loves us so dearly and He will answer all our duas and supplications at the right time. Forward to all singles you Know.


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RABIUSHILE04:
Empiree, pls for Allaah's sake don't continue with this act/character of urs, it has a trace of hypocrisy in it, during the time of rasulullaah there were ppl with this kind of character, they didn't end well. I advice you, fear Allaah! Halaal and haram are glaring. From ur pix, I'm sure it wil be a lie, ppl will just get a pix, and put a quote next to it. Khomeini dat was their supreme leader. Youtube is there for u to see shia, sufi ideology!

@underlined, that's where you learn about them not even their books. I see. You are one of those "Google sheikh ". Sorry if I sound "hypocritical " to you. You don't know me on personal level so I'm not gonna take you serious.

What does the sunnah teaches? . Does sunnah teach you to dig? . Their leader said they condemned it and that's enough for me until i see otherwise. And mind you, you have no idea what I do on the other side. I talk to crazy sufis mureed on YouTube and Facebook as well anytime they act like you but they usually comport themselves but you don't. Because you don't see yourself as Muslim is the reason you and mrolai think I'm hypocrite. I'm not. You see clearly I disagree with Shia here sometimes. I don't have problem with salafism and sufism bcus I understand their essence

Same thing u did in other thread. ..you want people to judge the sheik based on picture. Is that sunnah? . Didn't the prophet (saw) said to give your brother excuses until you get the fact?. You people are so judgemental. It is too much with you brothers is the reason I divert my attention to you. .

MrOlai:
You and your camelion traits!

Today, you're Shia! Tomorrow, you're Sufi! Next tomorrow, you're a Christian defending all sorts of evils and pretending as if you're against the evils!

No more comments!

I don't know when you people are going to understand. I don grown pass this immaturity. How many years you have been posting this nonsense and what have you achieved? . Are you sure you doing dawah by constantly provoking other sect in the name of "exposing " them. Please just tell me since 3yrs you have been posting this every year. ...tell me how you convinced them? . Afalataqilun?. Why are you pretending like you don't know some shia condemn this silly act?. If someone does something wrong in a sect does that mean all people there are guilty?

I'm a Muslim. Allah did not name me shia or sufi or salafi.

Every sect has something positive and negative. If we see despicable side, we must condemn it. If we see positive side, we should embrace it. Please stop letting sectarianism cloud your sense. Once you see yourself as Muslim only then you will understand. For now. ...you are just like those i know in salafism. They are follow follow.

Mufti Menk said: "take the good out of every sect and discount their negative side".

For this statement of his ^ only people like you still criticized him despite him trying to be nuetral. Oh I get it. "Salafism is the only way to jannah" TRASH!

My comment here simply condemned the practice. Same thing if i see despicable sufi and salafi nonsense I will condemn it. Doesn't mean I have to reject everything about each sect. Grow uplease and mature. You guys are pretty much amateur. I have been there done that. It's not new to me.

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Speechless but we can't continue to keep up with this approach every year. It doesn't solve anything. There is a need to review your approach.

We know that not all shia do this. Is it every year you want to keep putting this up? . As you put this up, be fair enough to say it's not all shia and that their ulama have issued fatwa against it.

From medical point of view, to be honest, I believe it's not all human blood. Look at some of the pictures with people so bloodied. You can't have blood gushing like that and still stand still. In a real life someone gets shot in the head with pint of blood out would be unconcious in mins. Either way, it's wrong and shia ulama have repeatedly condemned the act. It is not Islam. It's just crazy practice and each country should have to ban it but they chose not to. It's should simply be a crime to cut oneself or cut a baby.

You should now do hijra from this repeated approach of yours and focus on fact that their shuyuk condemned this act. .....majority of them. But for some reason it survives. I watched one where a guy slashed himself with a sword on his back. He went down straight with little blood needless to say this much. Focus should be on voicing the popular opinion that their ulama do not support this. Otherwise your will keep repeating this every year and nothing will ever be solved. Others shia who's don't do this silly act will get frustrated and hatred continues.

Start using hikma. Enough of this every year

MrOlai:
According to reports, Sheik Ibrahim Niyas in one of his books said he has a special cloth that has 70,000 pockets. In each pocket, there are 70,000 sub-pockets. In each sub-pocket again, there are 70,000 sub-pockets, on and on like that! He said that on the Day of Judgement, he will carry 70,000 persons who believe in him in each of the sub-pockets in 70,000 times and fly them into paradise! Subhanallah! Is this Islam? May Allah(SWT) forgive and have mercy on him.

Is this Islam? When the Prophet Himself(SAW) told His daughter(R.A) that he has no power to help her on the Day of Judgment?

sorry, never heard of this. Go to his students to interpret this for you bcus I know you people are literalists and waste of time.

So go back to sheik niyaa''s students and humble yourself for interpretation of his statement for you. Period.

My point here is until you people learn proper islamic adhab have to respect others, others will respond in a negative way.

MrOlai:
Big lie!

So, are you saying Ibn Taymiyyah(Rahimahullah) asked his students to drink water that would be used to wash his body? Even if they did, that is misguidance from the students, not from Ibn Taymiyyah and not from Islam.

In Sufism, your Sheiks preach misguidance to their students! The misguided Sheik in the video preached and encouraged his followers to drink the water he used to wash his feet! Is that Islam?

how do you manage to twist my post? ." Big lie" but you dismissed it without given thought . So ibn kathir lied for recording it?. But you ready to brush all sufis base on this video. How just is that.?.

I know some stuff are recorded about the sheik. Even taweez was removed from his neck according to some report. But his students now panel beat the story. They said the "taweez" is just a lice around his neck, that the story was wrongly translated. Who cares?. You want to judge all sufis based on actions of few, then we all can dig everything and you will see A LOT MORE CRAZY STUFF. I have no problem with ibn Taymiyyah whatsoever bcus many sufis respect him. You salafi students however are very arrogant people. No iota respect for people you don't belong to. That's the problem.

And for the video I watched that a yr ago. And you are so quick to attribute that to all sufis ignoring fact that this video alone didn't represent majority. Be just got a second. How many sufis do that in Nigeria or preach it? . Start counting please.

Whether ibn taymiyah taught his students or not, fact is, it's recorded they drank his ritual water. Onus on you. I'm sure you will return here with "responses" from his students cus I have read some of them. Everything is just twist here and there and I'm not interested altogether.

And you said "my sheikh preached misguidance " you know my sheikh? . Can you tell me his name?. My sheik is not in the video and I don't know them

lexiconkabir:
Did i abuse him? So because i asked people to flee from him thrn i disrespected him? You are just being emotional, deal with it!

So if i speak about them what will happen? I will be harmed? Smh...listen up, nothing can happen to me except what Allaah has written for me so stop the threats.

really not sure who you referring to here. I'm talking about referin you to sheik Akindele''s story. Not sheik niyas.

You did not abuse him(sheik niyas). You can't "abuse" someone who was long dead. But speaking ill of him, and you have no idea who he was, that's what's wrong and I'm done talking about him. Obviously if you know him well, you would have gave us inside info but you refered to Wikipedia. So you really have no right to tell people to stay away from him. No, you don't have that right. There are other millions who know him well beyond pictures posted. But I got your problem though.

Mrolai, do you know that students of ibn Taymiyah drank the water used to wash his blessed body after solat janasa?.

They said they were seeking "baraka". Go and read his student ibn kathir(ra). How's that different from this one?. I'd better zip baby's gut than drinking any of those.

All in all, all those practices are outlandish to me. So you can't put all of them in one box.

lexiconkabir:
Don't be emotional uhn.....If a Muslim dont believe in jinn thats another thing, Allaah mentioned about that in Qur'an, i won't believe shaykh Akindele(I don't really know about him) if his experience contradicts the Qur'an and the Sunnah, If a sufi scholar speaks and it agrees with the the Qur'an and sunnah i will believe him, I acknowledge truth when i see one, again don't be emotional, adhominem attacks wont do anything to me, i receive such aattacks alot online and offline.

Actually that was a tip of iceberg. I was going to refer you to a very simple, short story about him. But I just want to let it slide now. This is not about emotion. We taking facts here. If it sounds emotional to you, that's really pathetic. You better becarefully of speaking what you have no idea of about those people. Soon you will talk trash about other sufi shuyuk. Keep it up.

[quote author=FriendChoice post=50151766][/quote]Pardon me here....Since i told lexicon about prostration, i didnt bother to watch the video but you so quick to point accusing finger. You dont even know my condition at the time. Now let me tell you. At the time you posted the video, i simply have low internet connection on my mobile. So the first few seconds i noticed foreign language, i stopped it. I see it is 4 mins of course and have gave my verdict about prostration. scroll up

lexiconkabir:
niasse claimed he was given the keys to secret divine knowledge, so what's the use of Muhammad's message if after his death some people claim to have some secret divine knowledge?

Actually, this is better put this way for some understanding. You maybe having language problems with sufis sometimes. I get that. BUt let me give you one example of "secret knowledge" as they sometimes claim.

A sheik tilted his lecture "Secret Key of Jannah". And he said he will give them at the end of the lecture. Students are happy. They think it is something new. After lecture finished he completely forgot until a student reminded him. He said oh the secret?. I will give you. What did he give them?.

He said say La ilaha ila Allah tesuba mewa everyday if you can.

So technically, is it secret? No.

But unfortunately, that's the way they talk. So you said Sheik claim to have secret divine knowledge but you did not say what it is. I only told you what i perceived and you raged. Plus, i think you are quite arrogant. You cant even show some sign of respect for him by calling adding Sheik Niyas knowing fully well he is respected by many. This is not the way brother...not the way. So until you tell me what secret he claimed, i wont take you serious.

FriendChoice:
You see how ignorant you're. Why don't you wait 4 the exact minute the prostrations occur. The video is not long, its only four minutes. The Sufi sheik is comfortably sitting while they prostrate. Let me just not waste my time on you. Bye. Enjoy your innovations to Islamic religion.

really dont have time for this. if you read btw the line, this is clear already. not going back to this. Ask lexicon if you cant stroll up

MrOlai:
Subhanallah!
There is nothing controversial about talisman in Islam. It is purely shirk!

i tink u missed my point. Really, controversial or not its not my problem. My problem is how they approached the matter was wrong. The pix is old...probably in the 30s. I don't see anything like that on net of his pics. I dont use it...so it is not my problem. I have watched mainstream debates on it. They would disagree on if it Quran verses. Thats what i meant by controversies

lexiconkabir:
you seriously think you talking to an ignoramus here? and you are bringing this as a defence? what a joke, you claim "secret" knowledge=divine explanation, from who?



so do you also have this secret knowledge ? or you are still doing LOTS of dhikr in the hope of getting this secret knowledge?

I don't have time for this. Sufis dont talk too much. They work. Islam is work not all about reading and talking too much. You cant understand what you dont do or practise. Get over that religious arrogance and get to work.

Go and ask Sheik Akindele who is perhaps Salafi. Ask him about his experiences. His experience his not documented yet, it is real. If a sufi tells you what Sheik Akindele experienced, you most likely would say it is a lie. But you would believe him becus he is salafi. So experience is practice not reading this kitab and that kitab and this kita and that kitab like robot. And no one condemns that either. So ask Sheik Akindele his experiences and, yet, what he experience that he told is not documented anywhere. And he was swearing like none believe him but i do bcus i grew up that line. So go and ask him. Talk is cheap. And stop condemning Shuyuk of islam you know nothing about. You too really begin to sound like atheists to me - astaghfirullah

A muslim man said he doesn't believe in existence of Jinn. He lived in Canada. When Allah Wanted to show him the other side, he was alone in his apartment when he heard voices. Thought it was a joke. Before he knew it, he saw only legs walking up and down in his apartment. He also saw from waist down walking around. He could not sleep in that house. He quickly turned on his radio to play sura baqarah and the jin told him it is too late that they wont go anywhere. He took next available flight to nija. So my point, if you people dont stop this nonsense of condemning what you have no knowledge of, Allah will show you the other side beyond text you read. You better be careful

FriendChoice:
[size=16] You Clearly See The Prostration in That Video but you're ignorant that you don't understand the language [/size]. Who is after the language.

Feel sorry for you though. Dont know why you still dwell on this. You dont even know if i watched it or not. The moment he's speak outlandishly, i stopped the video. I cant judge what i dont understand. Besides, I have told the brother about prostration. And if you think sufi shuyuk dont condemned them, you must be living in Disney land

lexiconkabir:
I asked secret divine explanation to the Qur'an on whose authority?

Those who wrote tafsir, they got authority from the prophet?. Dont you see some of their opinions there as well?.

If you want to know what they talking about, get ready to do dhikr.....A LOT....thats where the veil will be removed from you. There is nothing to talk about here

FriendChoice:
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really dont speak the language the man speaks...so i dont understand. baqir was right when he said you must be from north. Anyways, for the subsequent hadith you quoted, it is rather an isolated hadith. How about other hadith, did you care to out the data together to understand what it is really saying?.

Anyways, i am not surprised. You brothers are just paranoid. That's all. You have no valid claims against sufis so far. ONLY fling fling excuses. If some amongst them are doing despicable things, you go after those. You dont condemn all of them. Even as crazy as Sheik faisal was, he never condemned the sufis. He simply call those who bow at the graves "grave worshipers". He did not call them sufis.

You people better go back to madrasa or something rather than taking stuff from internet.

As for "secret knowledge" lexicon, really dont know how else to explain that to you. You would do yourself favor by asking that from them directly. I understand what they meant but don't.

lexiconkabir:
"beware of suspicion, for verily suspicion is the highest degree of falsehood" ~ Muhammad Ibn Abdullaah.





atleast you agree prostrating to grave is shirk, Alhamdulillaah, issokay.

You still have no valid claim against him. YOu can do yourself a favor by reading his books.