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Newnas:
Yes, they are really learning. can't you see that the assalatu women can perform ablution and Solah correctly!!!
Your comments are very interesting, maybe you should get someone to read them for you before submitting, you will realize how ridiculous most of your comments are.

And this makes sense up there? I'm still trying to figure out point your are trying to raise exactly.

That you can gather but others can't?

That your gathering is Sunnah and halal but others are bidah?

Tell me what u don't know.

I don't personally go to as-salatus but what you doing is trying to find fault with others. Period. So all woman at as-salatu can't perform wudu properly?. Isn't that what you trying to get across?.

And there are still bunch of bearded learned men who fail wudu test. And that is "use of water". I'm sure you use excess water when you perform wudu. That's #1 failure. You just trying to make irrational point.

Rilwayne001:
To me this is irrational.

You see, the point raised here is that the one who professes shahada (including everything that comes with it) but is a killer, he goes to hell for period of time. The period of time is the time served for killing people. He doesnt get free pass to paradise. That's the point. He paid the price for cruelty.

That's why our parents say "Iwa lesin, esin ni iwa". Someone who professes shahada does not dwell in hell for {FOREVER} even if he committed gruesome acts. We can not use these terrorists as a case study. Amongst them are muslims and non-muslim machineries. But it's easy to chant islamic anthem while committing crimes. Forever is key word here.

I'm sure your are aware of tv drama like CSI LOS ANGELES. You see how LL COOL J reads arabic fluently and many other non-muslims like that. So only Allah can tell if these terrorists are muslims or not. Their appearances don't fool me.

Point raise here is not whether killers are going to hell or not. There is no debate on that. They are going to hell. But we talking about people who profess shahada but are evil criminals. Qur'an doesn't say they will remain in hell FOREVER. That's the point I'm trying to raise.

Newnas:
As for the Sufi, please see fuyoodhaat robaaniuyah. You will overwhelming proof for what you seek.

The book you mentioned, you mind telling us chapter and page please?. I found the book but it's generally talking about "Purification Of Soul" throughout. I have not come across your allegation, sir.

Demmzy15:
Wallahi this is so so sad, may Allaah soften their hearts!

Ameena

Scholar8200:
Concerning the amplified text, can this not embolden terrorists? Because, even of you claim their murders etc are un-islamic, as long as they have the islamic version of faith, they will only be in hell for a season afterwards they will be free? Clarify.

I'm not gonna address other parts of your post except this. It does not embolden anyone. Please put everything in its proper context.

The first comandment in ALL 3 famous religions is GOD IS ONE. Both bible and quran threaten violators with eternal hell. All other sins, Quran says Allah may forgive. Like adultery, fornication, killings, backbiting, usury etc. These are un-islamic as well.

Can you say as well that bcus Allah may forgive usurpers, fornicators etc it emboldens them?. A person who affirms Oneness of God but go on killing spree is going to Hell if he doesn't repent before he dies. Having faith is no excuse.

As for those who truly have faith GOD IS ONE till they breath their last but did not seek forgiveness for killing people, I swear by God they ain't getting "72 virgins". They are going to Hell for as long as God wills. I repeat, so long as they die with GOD IS ONE without ascribing son, Angels etc as co-equal like you do, they will eventually get out of Hell. Hadith also talks about sign of people who were previously in hell before granted Paradise.

But do you think their Hell is short term? . No my friend. We talking about millions of yrs in hell. Even hypocrite muslims will not be in hell forever. By hypocrite, I don't mean a 'muslim' in public but christian, herbalist etc in secret. No. That's still non muslim.

I'm sorry I'm unable to give reference now cus I'm mobile. Let me drop this though. There is hadith about a man who killed 99 people. A righteous man approached him and said " you are going to hell for killing people".

The killer said in that case I will kill you too to make it 100. He killed the man and asked for God's forgiveness. The hadith report that Allah forgave his sins. The man talking about here is someone with faith i:e GOD IS ONE.

There is also a case of a prostitute Allah forgave her for rescuing and feeding cat. So Faith I'm talking about is GOD IS ONE. Yes, faith is also trinity, herbalists etc

Demmzy15:
I also heard not sure tho, that those kuffar who the truth haven't be proved to might not be condemned. Those going to hell are those who after the truth as being made plain still denies. So in essence, some non Muslims who probably are good but didn't the light of Islam might make paradise but the opposite are going to end badly!

Allaah knows best!

Yes, correct. Now tell me someone like scholar8200 and 90% christians on NL haven't been shown truth already?.

Also those who may make paradise are those non muslims who are fed wrong info about Islam and they have no access to the truth.

My earlier post was just a brief and summary. It is not elaborate.

Newnas:
As for the Sufi, please see fuyoodhaat robaaniuyah. You will overwhelming proof for what you seek.

Sorry, there is no book on earth as excellent and perfect as the word of Allah, the Qur'an. Any other books are destined to be corrupted. Until you can proof to me that ALL sufis do that, your claim gets K-leg.

Don't tell me you never heard sufi shuyuk speak against it. Anyone can write whatever they want. Did you see or hear that sufi shuyuk like Sheik Adam, Kamaldeen etc involved in such silly things?. Even sheik Hamza Yusuf spoke against it recently. He said visiting grave is exactly what you described above.

Anyone can write any book. And yes, I will take a look at the book. I hope you notice Sufi movement on fb condemning fake sufis?.

Rilwayne001:
However that is not the point. The point is why so many differences? Why is your belief different from that of jman05 and dolphin heart? They both belief Jesus to be an archangel and not God, why didn't you believe so? Aren't you reading same Bible?



Again that is not the bone of contention here.

I was going to reply her the same but decided to ignore. What she brought here is irrelevant. Even if someone kills all his life while having tawheed and then repents, paradise is still possible for him. Even if he doesn't repent till he dies, he receives punishment for as long as Allah wishes. But at the end, our believe is, so long as he has faith (tawheed), he will NEVER remain in Hell forever. That's Allah's promise.

A good well behaved christian however, no matter excellent his or her behavior right here on the planet will still end up in eternal damnation. But Allah is The Most Merciful, He gives them discount for good behavior. This "discount" could mean comfort at the time of their death.

Newnas:
It's you that actually needs to slow down and stop contradicting the Sunnah.

The gathering I was referring to is the gathering of knowledge not gathering of innovations.
Innovations and innovators are cursed on the tongue of Allah's messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam.

No one is sniffing around for innovations and innovators, it's not hidden. From The Sunday asalatu to the innovated gatherings of laylatul Qadri and isra wa miraj to the maolud nabiyy etc The people who practice these innovations do not hide them, so no one is sniffing around.
It's just that the truth has to be clarified to the people even if the people of innovation and desire do not love it!

Your case is dismissed.

You refused to mention what your gathering is. You only said "gathering of knowledge". What's the TITLE of the gathering of weekends. That's what I asked for. @bold any difference?. Arent they learning something?. Stop playing politics. Grow up akhi

Newnas:
No, that would simply mean these people are too far from pristine Islamic understanding.
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See the deviant shia claiming that they only visit graves. There are several videos of shia worshipping and calling upon graves in youtube so what's the shia man claiming?
Grave visit is different from grave worship. yes, You shia go to the graves to seek protection, assistance and relief from the dead. So there is clear difference between the polytheism you practice in karbala and the visitation the messenger recommended.

In the sunnah visitation, the visitors pray to Allah to have mercy and forgiveness for the buries. But in the polytheistic visitation of you shia and Sufi deviants. What you do is pray to the dead for assistance, help, relief protection, provision etc.

Many of them even make vows to the buried that: "Oh master, if you do this for me, I'll definitely slaughter a ram or bring so and so gift to this grave" and similar statements of the innovated polytheistic visitation of the graves.

Your response here does not correlate with your op though. Anyways, I am not unaware of what you said and I declared my innocence of what they do. I am glad you are aware it is not ALL sufis and ALL Shia. The people you referred to are pseudo. There have been calls by Sufis and Shia Ulama against those people. You can't deny their haven't been efforts to rid those practices.

This is honestly trivial issue borne out of jealousy btw Sunni/Shia. There is ONLY ONE Quran believed by ALL sects in Islam. Anything else is schism headed by shaytan.

Sunnis for the 1400 years never excommunicated Shia. It is only in recent years certain group in Sunnism began to excommunicate shi'i.

I declare my innocence from this type of argument. Both sides are GUILTY.

I was going to ask what type of gathering it is Mr. Newnas?. You have condemned several gatherings by people you deem "Al-bida'a". So what's the title of their gathering, please?

@ lobaloba88, you people really need to slow down. Do you actually think everyone gets time to pick up the Quran or study figh to learn no matter how you encourage them?. Including you actually. Lots of people learn by listening to shuyuk, Uztaz, Mualim etc. Gathering for remembrance of Allah or lectures to benefit muslims is never mukruh nor haram. There are plenty ahadith in support of this. You only condemn those who might step off the line.

Stop sniffing around for "innovation". It is not healthy.

The Issue Of "Prostration" Is Dealt With In These Lengthy Clips. Endavour To Watch Them At Your Pace. Thank You

Part One

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNBdk9l_X3Q


Part Two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4puMGSxulO0

Do the stones wash off and what's their longspan?

Are you familiar with Metcoppo step tiles?

Newnas:
too much crap... I don't where to start explaining matters.

لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله العلي العظيم

Allahul musta'an

That would simply means you have no idea what you posted, isn't?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65O5QJUW4po


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMVHq9lgSmQ

abdulwastecx:
Yes sir

Are you acquainted with "aluminum parapet"?

How much weight is it?

How is it maintain overtime?

Thank you

9jacrip:
Jesus was Muslim?

Omo na wa O!

I understand Islam has arrogated the players in Jewish history since Adam to itself, no biggie there.

You make it seem like google itself displays the answer - from google, there are directories of a number of Islamic fora from all over the world.

I never said Gullam was mentioned in the Quran, I only said he has a following and some believe his teachings as 'truth'.

I was never interested in debating Islam; I was here to talk logic but like it was said in Religion & Conflict studies class, 'religion is devoid of logic'.

Logic in the sense of truth which I said is relative.

Now Focus On the topic. No more derailment. Your inputs no longer apply.

miketayo:
lolzz which of us?

really don't know. You tell me. I supposed you both are christians, correct?

9jacrip:
OK.

It was you who saved Jesus was the Messiah even to Islam - Messiah means a chosen saviour. If Jesus is Messiah in Islam then how is he saving Muslims? - Answer this question.

2. Ahmmadiya is now nonsense? Aren't they your muslim folks?

3. Uncle, google Gullam to find his islamic sources; you're the muslim here.

And why get upset?

Jesus is muslim. Qur'an merely narrates his story as messiah sent to the children of Israel and muslims MUST also believe in him. Period.

On Ahmmadiya, yes, they do have element of truth in their teachings but they got it wrong on Jesus. Provide evidence from Qur'an where Gullam is mentioned. Google is NOT primary source of guidance in Islam. Thanks

If I'm upset?. For what? , about what? . I guess you read my post exactly how you felt.

udatso:
Abeg where did you find these clowns?

on a front page about so called muslims praying for collapse of nija govt

9jacrip:
1. You must not know the meaning of the term 'Messiah'.

If he didn't die for anybody then how is he the 'Messiah'; a 'Messiah' is a saviour of people. Christians say the way he is a Messiah is by dying on the cross and shedding blood to wash away their 'sins'.

I would like for you to broaden my mind on how Islam sees his Messiahnic status and how he is a Messiah if he didn't die to save. How did he save?

2. I only posted the various Islamic branches on views of 'Messiah'. Do some people in Islam not believe Madhi is the Messiah?

3. Again, it is another branch of Messianic view in Islam. The Ahmmadiiyya group.


Maybe you disagree with the number 3 but he does have a followership that still exists till today, either you believe it or not is for you to battle with sir. I've only posted how relative the matter of 'truth' can be. For the Ahmmadiyya it is the truth but for you it is not.

I'm mobile so I really can't type long epistle. Messiah from islamic view is Jewish savior, hence, a chosen one from among the children of Israel. Let's keep it simple like that.

Linguistically simply means. Chosen one. A chosen one from israelites for the Jews. It doesn't mean to die for the muslims.

Don't force Ahamadiyah nonsense down my throat. Provide islamic sources where Gullam's name is mentioned. Messiah, [size=17pt]Jesus is the son of MARY.[/size]
Mirza Gullam Ahmad is son of PunjabI woman.


Where is he mentioned in the Qur'an?

9jacrip:
Judaism: it is true a Messiah is coming but he's not Jesus. Truth for the Jews.

Christianity; it is true a Messiah is coming and he's Jesus. Truth for the Christains.

[slam: there's no messiah anywhere and nobody died or can die for other's sins.

(ii) Mahdi son of Muhammed is the Messah

(iii) Mizra Ghluam Ahmad, founder of Ahmmadiya claimed to be messiah. Truth for muslims

Hold up right there buddy. I eschewed before bcus I'm not really concerned what you've been posting. But this one I gotta come in. Jesus is MESSIAH according to Qur'an. Yes, you right. ..no one died for anyone's sins in Islam.


"The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary; the messanger of Allah and His Word..." {3 vs 40}

See also Sura Nisa 169. All talk about Jesus, the messiah



Your point #2, where is your proof that Mahdi is 'son' of Muhammad?.


Your point #3, no Mirza Gullam Ahmad is fraud. Muslims do not recognize him. He claimed that for himself but that's not what islamic sources claimed. So Mirza is FALSE.

HIS IDEOLOGY IS NOT FROM QUR'AN NOT EVEN FROM HADITH. SO DON'T ATTRIBUTE HIS TRASH WITH MUSLIMS. ONLY GULLIBLE BELIEVE HIM. SO IT'S NOT TRUTH FOR MUSLIMS.

Dudes, take your rumble come here. Defend your statement.

miketayo:
Jesus is God bro.. the last time i checked he rose from d dead

damyzino:
jesus ain't God bro :-/ .....last time i check ,jesus himself died

Another set of confusionists

Dudes, take your rumble come here. Defend your statement.

miketayo:
Jesus is God bro.. the last time i checked he rose from d dead

damyzino:
jesus ain't God bro :-/ .....last time i check ,jesus himself died

Another set of confusionists

ebenice:
hey! my friend , I'm a different specie of Christians you may have been used to...

I don't engage in argument unless except I want to.

before then answer my question and stop trying to play hide n seek . u shud be smarter than that

I'm sorry, this is YES or NO answer. It's nothing to argue about.

Let me give you example. If you ask any muslim "is Jesus God?". Their reply will be 'NO'. You see there is no argument here.

Now your turn, is Jesus God?.

And I don't recall you asked me question

ebenice:
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your last paragraph is funny ...but most of all the last word is is contradictory to present REALITIES.

what do u think?

You are yet to give your thought about who God is. Can you share yours? . Merely ranting isn't going to help you. Let me help you. 50% christians say Jesus is God. Another 50% say Jesus is not God. Which one should we believe?. Any idea?

God help us from enemies within. This is very disturbing. I pity myself and unsuspecting believers

This is super crazy

malvisguy212:
nice one bro, [size=20pt]thread close.[/size] I think wordworld is the same person as deathstroke

hummm close You must be so uncomfortable

You'd better face reality and dump FRAUD

Scholar8200:
Indeed, you wouldnt see the reason neither understand except God opens your eyes.

Well we have discussed these things at length and I am not interested in saying the same things again.

The Israelite believed the Lord our God is One Lord! Yet, neither David nor Isaiah nor others were stoned when they clearly revealed His Nature!

But then if you choose to take the part of the pharisees who accused Jesus of blasphemy or of the Sabellianists who would make God's nature agreeable to their finite intellect, the choice is yours. Interestingly, both sects predates Islam and Mohammed.

God is Who He reveals Himself to be not what we expect or reason Him out to be in our finiteness and/or depravity.

God's Nature and His Attributes are not complicated at all. It's the later generation influenced by shaytan that created confusion. David {p} believed in One God so was Jesus the son of Mary{p}

Whether they predate Islam and Muhammad is irrelevant. Open your eyes, brov