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EzioAuditore:
[size=3pt]In heaven? Screw spirituality! Screw religion! We worked our butts off to go to heaven and you are calling for restraint? F*ck that! Best know this! Our heaven is a place of enjoyment and endless pleasures, and you rest assured that if by Allahs grace I make it there, I will hide the sausage in as many fish flaps as I can! I will drink all the liquor I feel like drinking! Blue balls will be a thing of legend for men! And I will plant mercy in a playpen around until I can't feel my dangler, if that's even possible. If I refrained from all this as I hard as it is here, why should I go to heaven and start thinking of restraint? What sort of heaven is that? Or are you saying you don't have a libido or urges? Are you even human at all? But tell me,[/size] what is the christians idea of heaven?

This is how christian heaven looks like http://www.alternet.org/10-reasons-christian-heaven-would-actually-be-hell

^keep dreaming in la la land^

ok eyeopener, but you did not type 3 monikers correctly. They are tbaba, Abuaman and Rilwayne. Look for them and properly type their monikers so they know you called them.

As for your request (op), very simple.

truthman2012:
EzioAuditore

I discovered that you have no answer to my question: Why did allah promise the Jews and Christians heaven with reward despite all the negative things he said about their books (Quran 2:62)? I have given you a link where you have the opportunity to see how allah was deceiving the muslims by saying one thing today and reversing it tomorrow.

Lol, the verse is definitely not talking about you. You dont worship Allah(God), the Lord of the universe. You worship human (man-god), you believe in doctrine contrary to doctrine brought by Jesus (the worship of One God), some of you worship Mary, some of you worship son. So definitely that verse is not talking about you and 2 billion Christians. You applied literal approach to this ayah. But here, we are dealing with exegesis. There are several tafsir of the ayah(read below).

The Qur'an makes it an article of faith to believe in Allah and all the messengers. This includes Prophet Muhammad. According to the Qur'an, when Moses came with the Taurat, it was necessary to follow him, when Jesus came with the Injil, it was necessary to leave the laws of Moses and follow him. Finally, when Muhammad came with the Qur'an, it became necessary to leave the teachings of Jesus and follow Islam.

And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter. These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.
Qur'an 2:4-5

[size=15pt]Tafsir Ibn Abbas[/size]

Then Allah went on to mention the believers among them, saying: (Lo! Those who believe) in Moses and all the other prophets, these earn their reward from their Lord in Paradise; they shall have no fear perpetually and they shall perpetually not grieve. It is said that this means that no fear will come upon them concerning torment in the future life nor will they grieve about anything they have left behind. And it is also said that this means: they shall have no fear when death is slain and hell is closed. Then He mentioned those who did not believe in Moses or the other prophets, saying: (and those who are Jews) who deviated from the religion of Moses, (and Christians) those who became Christians (and Sabaeans) a Christian sect whose members shave the middle of their heads, read the Gospel, worship the angels and say: " our hearts have returned (saba'at) unto Allah " , (whoever believeth) from amongst them (in Allah and the Last Day and does right) in that which is between them and their Lord, (surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve). Surah 2 Ayah 62

Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas, trans. Mokrane Guezzou, Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought

[size=15pt]Tafsir Ibn Kathir[/size]

After Allah described the condition - and punishment - of those who defy His commands, fall into His prohibitions and transgress set limits by committing prohibited acts, He stated that the earlier nations who were righteous and obedient received the rewards for their good deeds. This shall be the case, until the Day of Judgment. Therefore, whoever follows the unlettered Messenger and Prophet shall acquire eternal happiness and shall neither fear from what will happen in the future nor become sad for what has been lost in the past. Similarly, Allah said,
(No doubt! Verily, the Awliya' of Allah, no fear shall come upon them nor shall they grieve) (10:62). The angels will proclaim to the dying believers, as mentioned,
(Verily, those who say: "Our Lord is Allah (alone)," and then they stand firm, on them the angels will descend (at the time of their death) (saying): "Fear not, nor grieve! But receive the glad tidings of Paradise which you have been promised!". (41:30)

Tafsir Ibn Kathir

Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated from Ibn Abbas, about,
(Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day) that Allah revealed the following Ayah afterwards, (And whoever seeks religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers) (3:85).

This statement by Ibn `Abbas indicates that Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad that is, after Allah sent Muhammad . Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.
When Allah sent Muhammad as the Last and Final Prophet and Messenger to all of the Children of Adam, mankind was required to believe in him, obey him and refrain from what he prohibited them; those who do this are true believers. The Ummah of Muhammad was called `Mu'minin' (believers), because of the depth of their faith and certainty, and because they believe in all of the previous Prophets and matters of the Unseen.

Please read further tafsir from other mufassir of the verse you quoted from the link below.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Christians_Jews_and_Muslims_in_Heaven#Tafsir_Ibn_Abbas

oh oh @plainbibletruth, you are here again?. You left unanswered question on the other thread Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by rilwayne

Maamin:
Stop lying..

Videos and links above are enough evidence. Very crystal clear. Remove the mole from your eyes

[size=15pt]Lying about the Prophet Muhammad (p)[/size]

Islamophobes, in an attempt to obtain an unchecked platform, do suggest Muslims misinform (“use taqiyya”) about the Prophet Muhammad (p). This is an utter absurdity as it is a grave sin for a Muslim to misinform about the Prophet Muhammad as the Prophet stated:

“Whoever lies about me intentionally shall take a place for himself in hell” (al-Adhkar (y102), 510-12) [4]

In fact, presenting misinformation about the Prophet (p) was considered an extreme offense amongst early Muslim communities:

Habib ibn ar-Rabi’ said that it is disbelief to alter his [Prophet Muhammad’s] description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent.

So much for the Islamophobes claims of “Muslims using taqiyyah” regarding Prophet Muhammad (p).


[size=15pt]Conclusion[/size]

Taqiyyah (taqiya, takiya) is not something to be writing home about. To use this practice to brandish Muslims as untrustworthy (or to demonise them) is unscholarly and unjust.

If you do encounter an anti-Muslim bigot on the internet crying “taqiyya” (there are plenty about), please do send him/her away "educatedly".

There are a number of Islamophobes who do make cash and political inroads out of demonising Muslims with all this exaggeration concerning taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) amongst other absurd claims concerning Muslims. These folk do influence other folk on the internet to propagate these misconceptions – thus it is our job to present the truth to counter the many anti-Muslims deceptions out there.

"During times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - George Orwell




References

[1] Article by R. Strothmann, Shorter Encyclopaedia of Islam, H.A.R. Gibb and J.H. Kramers, Fourth impression, 1995, E.J. Brill Leiden. New York. Koln p. 561 - 562

[2] The Concise Encyclopaedia of Islam, Revised Edition, Cyril Glasse, Stacey International, 2001, p450-451.

[3] Men and Women around the Messenger, Sa’d Yusuf Abu ‘Aziz, Translated by Suleman Fulani, Darussalam, 2009, p. 286-287

[4] Reliance of the Traveller, Translated by Nuh Hamim Keller – Amana Publications, 2008, r8.0, p 747

[5] Muhammad, Messenger of Allah – Ash Shifa of Qadi Iyad, translated by Aisha Abdarrahman Bewley, Madinah Press, 2004, p. 387

[size=15pt]Taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgement[/size]

Ibn Kathir, a prominent authority writes, "Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels'] evil may protect himself through outward show." As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad's companion, al-Hassan, who said, "taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment [i.e., in perpetuity]."

Islamophobes make a big deal out of Muslims believing taqiyya (taqiyyah, takiya) is acceptable to this very day and beyond. So what? There is NO issue here whatsoever.

Think about it, if, in the future, an extreme Christian/Hindu/Islamophobe put a gun to a Muslim’s head and asked him to denounce Islam in order to preserve his life would you really have qualms in the fact the Muslim would be allowed (according to Islam) to do so in order to protect his life?

Abraham (p) and taqiyyah

In the Biblical account of Abraham, Sarah and Pharaoh we notice Abraham (and Sarah) concealed the fact Sarah was his wife as he feared death:

When the Egyptians see you, they will say, 'This is his wife.' Then they will kill me but will let you live.
Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.” [Genesis 12:12-13 NIV]

Where are the Christian Islamophobes to demonise Abraham, Sarah and the Bible? Nowhere!

Why are people not exaggerating this to mean the Bible allows Jews and Christians to lie to non-believers just as they do against Muslims in the case of taqiyyah? The answer is hypocrisy as Islamophobes work an anti-Muslim agenda assiduously whilst refraining from using the same absurd modes of exaggeration/deception against Christians and Jews!

The “Apostle” Paul and taqiyyah?

Paul, in Corinthians 19, was using a strange tactic to convert people. So strictly speaking, Paul did not practice taqiyya as he was not under threat of harm and his “concealment” was in the avenue of evangelism rather than that of self-protection. Paul was concealing himself as a Jew (to convert Jews), as a gentile (to convert gentiles) and as the weak (to convert the weak).

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. [Corinthians 9:19-22, NIV]


Of course, Christian apologists would extend explanation towards Paul’s strange actions in order to exonerate him of the allegation of deception but you can see why there is a potential cause for concern here – especially in the light of the numerous deceptive episodes involving Christian missionaries ever since Paul’s strange actions.

Why are our Christian Islamophobes not concluding Paul’s actions to mean all Christians can lie whilst evangelizing folk?

I have caught Christian missionaries, on numerous occasions, lying to convert folk to Christianity. If you want to exegete this New Testament account to mean Christians are allowed to use deception whilst evangelizing you will have a stronger case than that of the Islamophobes’ exaggerations on Muslim allowance of taqiyyah (concealment due to fear).


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[size=15pt]Famous case of Taqiyyah (Taqiyya, Takiya)[/size]

A common example of takiya (taqiyyah, taqiya) involves a Muslim (Ammar B. Yasir, a companion of the Prophet Muhammad, p) being forced to worship idols and insult the Prophet of Islam.

The level of force the polytheists applied on Ammar bin Yasir can be imagined by Amr bin Maymoon’s statement, “The polytheists tortured Ammar with fire”.

“Abu Ubaydah bin Muhammad bin Ammar bin Yasir said: The polytheists seized Ammar and they did not let him off until he was forced to insult the Messenger of Allah and say good things about their deities”

Ammar bin Yasir told Prophet Muhammad (p) of what he was forced to say.

“The Prophet (p) said: “Say it again if they ask (i.e. force) you to do so”.”

So, in order to avoid such torture the Prophet allowed Ammar bin Yasir to use “taqiyya”

If Jesus (p) had done the same, our Christian friends would have lauded it as an act of piety and mercy. Instead we see Islamophobes exaggerating this form of concealment in order to demonise Muslims. It’s a crazy old world!

Is taqiyyah allowed in the Quran?

Our Islamophobic friends jump up and down in joy whilst proclaiming taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya) is allowed in the Quran. Let’s analyse (via scholarship) the two Verses they cite.

Quran 16:106 and taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya)?

Whosoever disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. [Pikthal translation of the Quran 16:106]

The reason for this verse is unanimously said to have been the case of Ammar b. Yasir, whose conscience was set at rest by this revelation when he was worried about his forced worshipping of idols and objurgation of the Prophet.

Tabari says on Sura 16:106 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323 sqq.24.122): If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, to escape his enemies, no blame falls him on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe”

The Quran’s (16:106) allowance of uttering disbelief whilst under extreme force is hardly justification for the outrageous smears the Islamophobes propagate.

Quran 3:28 and taqiyyah (taqiyya, takiya)?

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying. [Pikthal translation of the Quran 3:28]

This Verse instructs Muslims to not take the unbelievers as patrons over the believers but does allow for this in the case of fear. Tuqatan is used here (a verbal noun of taqiyyah). Tafsir Jalalayn explains:

“unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts” [Tafsir Jalalayn – 3:28]

It is hardly something Islamophobes can latch onto as evidence for their demonization of Muslims as this Verse allows concealment (taqiyyah, taqiyya, takiya) in the case of fear (i.e. to avoid persecution). We are essentially back to where we started as initially stated on taqiyyah:

Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.

Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).


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Another Christian Evangelism Strateg(ies), The Misrepresentation Of The Use Of At-Taqqiyah!

Truth about Taqiyyah (Takiya, Taqiyya)

There is a constant stream of Islamophobes (haters) carping on about how Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims whilst appealing to something called “taqiyyah” (also spelled, “takiya” and “taqiyya”)

What is “Taqiyyah”, “Takiya”, “Taqiyya”?


This term is spelt variously; “taqiyyah”, “takiya” or “taqiyya”.

“Takiya (A.), caution, fear (see glossarium to Tabari S.V. T-K-A) pr kitman, “disguise” is the technical term for dispensation from the requirements of religion under compulsion or threat of injury.”

“Taqiyyah (From the root word waqa “to safeguard”; “self-protection” and hence “dissimulation [in order to protect oneself]”).”

So, taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is concerning dissimulation due to force – i.e. when an individual is forced to conceal.

Sadly, Islamophobes and Christian missionaries – in order to obtain an unchecked platform and/or demonize Muslims – have misapplied this term in their exaggerated claims of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers”.


At what level of force is Takiya (Taqiyyah, Taqiya) justified?

“But an individual is not justified in takiya nor bound to hijra [emigration] if the compulsion remains within the endurable limits, as in the case of temporary imprisonment or flogging which does not result in death”.

So, this make a mockery of the Islamophobes’ general suggestions of “Muslims are allowed to lie to the unbelievers” as even under threat of imprisonment and flogging Muslims are not justified in takiya. The level of force which justifies oneself in takiya is that of an unbearable level.

Takiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah) and the type of lies…

One may ask, what type of “disguise” is allowed under takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya)?

Let’s be clear about takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya); “The principle of dissimulation of one’s religious beliefs in order to avoid persecution or imminent harm, where no useful purpose would be served by publicly affirming them.”

So takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) is not used to convert folk to Islam nor is it used in Islamic text books or anything of such a nature. It is simply a form of concealment used to avoid persecution!

For further clarity, we are not talking about general, everyday fibs here, thus the ethical question of dishonesty is bypassed:

“The ethical question whether such forced lies are nevertheless lies, such a forced denial of the faith nevertheless a denial, is not put at all by one “who conceal himself” as he is not in a state of confidence which would be broken by lies or denial.”

Sadly, our Islamophobic counterparts attempt to convince the gullible that takiya (taqiyyah, taqiyya) allows Muslims to lie (or conceal) about aspects of their faith (Islam) as well as lie in general.

Recently, Islamophobes were accusing Senator Keith Ellison of taqiyyah. Try learning what taqiyyah (takiya, taqiyya) is before accusing folk of it, you may just look less silly if you take this advice on board!!!



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Rilwayne001:
Ogbeni, na only you waka come?? where are the rest?

Cc: Truthman2012, Ifeann, Pastorkun, True2go

They are busy eating Roti and Teh tarik

[size=2pt]malvisguy212 thorpido Maamin basilico[/size]

[quote author=dulux07 post=32842877] in this 21st century, islam is ONE of the worlds major problem. Imagine d world without islam,

See, they created this terrorism deliberately. They created ghost enemies. A report revealed by huffingtonpost.com and posted on AOL few days ago says that anonymous official from WH gives real reason for Iraq war. The report says:

[size=15pt]"The only reason we went to Iraq, I tell you people now, is we were looking for somebody's ass to kick. Afghanistan was too easy,"[/size]

Therefore, General Wesley clerk was correct. So those screaming "conspiracy theory" need to fix their brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

General Wesley Clark Tells Of How Middle East Destabilization Was Planned As Far Back As 1991

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw




http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/52653ee478c90a6d83000504?cps=gravity_3831_2635612101387902728


[size=15pt]Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990[/size]

“Landmark research proves that the US-led ‘war on terror’ has killed as many as 2 million people, but this is a fraction of Western responsibility for deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last two decades.”



http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/04/unworthy-victims-western-wars-have-killed-four-million-muslims-since-1990/

The easiest way in my opinion is take those pictures with phone. Use USB cable to transfer them all to your computer or send one by one using your email.

The USB option is easier.

Once you stored them on your pc, you logon to NL. Click reply as you normally do, then, click on "choose file". It will open a box containing your pictures. Click a picture once (one at a time) and click open.

NL allows you to post up to 4 (four) pictures one time.

macof:
Why would you want all to see and prevent most from commenting?

[size=15pt]Why[/size] is the key word. It's the same WHY US visas are available for everyone to see but not everyone can apply or qualify.

true2god:
You make sense small here. The only issue I have here is your quran telling you that you are the best of mankind and we (non-muslims) 'vilest of creatures'. Thats xenophobic of the quran.

Perhaps, it should clear to you why you are what you are called @bold since you agree with my write up.

And whether you are comfortable with @blue or not, that's simply jealousy.

Let's call:

spyder880
mufutau55
NL1960
FastShipping

They may have clue. I am sure your friend will get somewhere with that amount. But I doubt it can complete the whole thing cuz some freaking unsuspecting and unexpected expenses could materialize.

"O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done." 49:6

mmsen:
You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot present it for all but then hit people restrictions.

That is the point.

Other topics are open for to discuss without any peculiar restrictions.

No one is making non-xtians agree with the Apostle's Creed - if they did I would question such a policy.

The responses that I have read in this thread are another unfortunate example of how religion and reason do not mix.

I understood you. Unfortunately, some things have to be done "in my own way" to protect "my interest".

US visas are open for ALL but not ALL qualify. "Restrictions apply". You ever read that when you or your relative or friend applied for visa?.

That's the logic

mmsen:
My issue is not that they have their board but moreso that their topics are advertised as if they are open for all, only to find out that the user is expected to accept a creed that many do not agree with.

Either remove the creed and ban those who break the general rules of nairaland. Or stop the publication of Muslim board topics on the front page.

If you do not go to Muslim board, fine. But stop worrying yourself if their topics made front page. It's really irrelevant to bicker over this. And no, Islamic topics making front page does not amount to advertisement. I detest the phrase. If s.eun did not complain, how is that your cup of Garri?.

If other sections including Christianity make front page, what's the problem if Islamic topics do the same?. Yes, it's for ALL to see but not for ALL to comment.

macof:
Obviously the mods of that section stops others from commenting due to the absurd creed they expect others to swear to

Actually, the more you species bring this stuff up, the more I support MODs in Islamic section. I silently criticized them at some point, especially for banning views that do not compatible with his (mac). Myself was banned several times for unpopular views.

MODs do not ban non-muslims from commenting in Islam section. Their concern, which I have finally concurred with is that non-muslims, Christians especially, the so called God-loving, christ-like folks blaspheme in islam section a lot. Not only that, what they did that put me off was when bunch of them posted po'rn'ograpy (pictures). Even at that time (just last year), there was no WRITTEN DECLARATION at the 'gate'. Anyone could come in. Christians and atheists posted nasty pictures and distorted message of Islam. I witnessed this. MOD had to hide those pictures.

Now, I know macof can care less because, it is "free world" in your perspective. That's you unfortunately. But us (muslims), we are conscious of our religion ISLAM.

So no one is stopping you from commenting or opening threads in Islam section; provided, you watch it. Quran speaks (3:110)

You(muslims) are the best community ever been raised up for mankind. You enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and you believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

No christian condemned those posts. Question is, should MODS not do something about it?. Just imagine those inappropriate pictures are still there today.

^ @EzioAuditore, you are choking truthman2012 and malvisguy212. They can't decipher your posts. They are shivering over your it.

truthman2012:
What nonsense are you talking here? You are parading the forum telling all sorts of lies and you aren't ashamed. You will cry, you will wail by the time you will discover islamic is the truth. I pity you.

hehehe! It pains you . I reversed your statement You will cry, you will wail by the time you will discover Christianity is satan in disguise. I pity you.

Wow, you doing good man. This going to make sense when you finish.