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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 12:25am On Apr 22, 2015
AlBaqir:
[size=3pt]With Saudi Arabia and other Arab Sunni powers carrying out airstrikes in Yemen and accusing their regional nemesis, Iran, of instigating the Houthi uprising in the country, Wikistrat asked its Senior Analyst Dr. Timothy Furnish, who is an authority on especially Shia Islam, Mahdism and other Islamic sects, to provide background on the conflict and explain to what extent Iran really is involved.

Dr. Furnish notes that Yemen has been a
battleground for rival brands of Islam for over a millennium.

In the 900s, it was contested by dueling Shiisms: the (then-militant) Seveners, or Isma’ilis, from North Africa waged dawah and jihad against Fivers, or Zaydis, from Iran. (This was before Iran’s forcible conversion to Twelver Shiism by the Safavids in the sixteenth century.) The Zaydis won and established a militant Imamate in northern Yemen. The Ottomans occupied Yemen twice in order to safeguard the holy cities of Mecca and Medina as well as Red Sea trade. Both times, Zaydi insurgents forced them out, despite massive Ottoman efforts to delegitimize the Zaydi Shii Imamate.

In the 1960s civil war, staunchly Sunni Saudi Arabia (ironically) backed the Zaydis while Nasser’s Egypt supported the “republicans” who ultimately emerged victorious. After unification in 1990, the Sana’a government largely ignored the needs and demands of the 40 percent of the Yemeni population that was Zaydi, contributing to the sense of disenfranchisement felt by the main Zaydi tribe, the Houthis — which has now led to civil war again.

Iran has various aims in fanning the flames of the Houthi rebellion, Dr. Furnish explains:

* Leveraging “persecution” of Shia into regional geopolitical influence for Tehran-Qom;

* Appealing to, and exploiting, historical
connections with Shia Muslims of Yemen and greater Arabia;

* Undermining and delegitimizing the Saudi
government;

* Strengthening its strategic position on both sides of the Red Sea;

* Strengthening the anti-Israel Islamic front;

* Searching for allies wherever they can be found.

But Dr. Furnish also cautions that Iran neither created nor controls Yemen’s Zaydi discontent.

One might well argue, instead, that the Houthis Zaydi leadership is using Tehran more than the other way around.

For much of the last 1200 years, Zaydis have ruled over much of Yemen and they do have legitimate grievances against both the recent Sunni leadership in Sana’a and, of course, against Sunni jihadists like Al Qaeda and (allegedly) ISIS there.

Saudi Arabia’s reflexive theological and political fear of Shiism in the peninsula is understandable as well. Besides Yemen, there are large minority pockets of Twelvers in eastern Saudi Arabia and of Seveners in Najran.

Also, Mahdism has been a real fear since 1979, when Juhayman al-Utaybi declared his brother-in-law, Muhammad al-Qahtani, the Mahdi and their forces occupied the Great Mosque — a fear that has grown in recent years as Saudi Arabia has suffered a rash of “lone wolf” Mahdis across the kingdom.

Simply bombing Yemen is not going to stop such eschatological fervor, though, Furnish warns. If anything, it could drive more than just Houthis into Iran’s embrace.

Some means of redressing legitimate minority — Shia of all three denominations, that is —grievances must be part of the equation.

Perhaps Oman, whose Ibadi Islam is tolerant of both Sunnis and Shiis and whose government is on good terms with Iran, can play a key role here.

Finally, Furnish urges Saudi Arabia and other Arab states to keep in mind that the self-declared “Islamic State” to the north is ultimately far more dangerous than the Zaydis to the south.
www.wikistrat.com/irans-role-in-yemens-houthi-uprising-should-not-be-overstated/[/size]
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@Empiree, hope you can build on this bro.^
Yes, it adds up. But sincerely, my focus is not really on different sects calling themselves all sorts of brands.

Besides, Empiree, I see often of late that you are often in the same boat with Sheik Imran Hussein in attaching and blaming Muslim's chaos on certain "Dajjal".

I've read lot of his literature on "Dajjal, Gog and Magog vis-a-vis Signs of the last hour". I believe the Sheik is shying away from treating Muslim deep-rooted age-long political, social and ideological problems.
@bold, that's it. I tell you why it's indeed irrelevant. Let's see if you can unscramble this.

It was in the 1994, two brothers bearing same name, Yusuf. Both are muslims. Yusuf 1 is homie. Yusuf 2 is extended family friend but both lived together at the former's house. There was a time both Yusuf had unusual differences that was quiet alarming. No one would think they would quarrel with one another because they were so close. Their fight(non-physical) intensified that they no longer exchanged words/greetings/compliments for weeks. Everyone began to suspect something was wrong.

Anyways, an elderly man, "Alhaji" (d. 2011) who happened to work in the same building eventually learned about this and summoned both to settle their differences. Upon the meeting, the first thing Alhaji asked was am I allowed to arbitrate your differences?.

You know this kind of question is difficult to answer when archenemies are puff and huff and ready to trash one another.

So they refused to answer. In fact, Alhaji was basically following the Sunnah of Nabiy (Allah's blessings be upon him and his household) using such approach. He asked them same question again and again. They just can't disrespect old man. They had to agree unanimously to let him settle their differences.

Then again, Alhaji asked: "if I get involved between you two, will that resolve your differences?".

Man!, this one was hard on both sides. Yusuf 1 just could not hold his puff neither Yusuf 2 would let go without some sort of tales to narrate. So both sides started 'yabbing' over one another. Alhaji said 'I dont want to hear anything from either of you....I only asked you a question.'.

Yusuf 2 being a little younger just wanted to huff. Every time he tried, Alhaji curbed him saying just answer my question (i:e his second question).

Ultimately, it wasn't too long before both sides realized that Alhaji was not interested in their tales. They had no choice but to say big [size=20pt]YES![/size] with smiles on their faces. Now Alhaji said, "now, extend salams to one another with hugs. This buried their differences up till this moment. That's 21 years in the making.

Neither Alhaji, nor me, nor anyone else knows what really caused differences between Yusufs till now. Note, this is not a fairy tale. It was real. It's not hearsay either.

This is why Sheik Imran "shy away" as you rightly said. Indeed, he did speak on this some 20 year ago or less. He now realized that it makes absolutely no sense talking about it because it deepens rift. Those who talk about it till present, do they solve the differences?. Nope. What solves the differences?.....................Al-QUR'AN (3:103)


Wasalaam
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
[quote author=vedaxcool post=32949066]
It will be better for you to begin to see beyond what propaganda people spew,
I put this in consideration all the time.


and begin to understand that a lot of muslim govt. can be as bad as those they criticize, those they pretend to loath, actions they incite their people to hate. A muslim govt. that said nothing while of 100s of 1000s of muslims in Syria were murdered using barrel bombs, chemicals can never and should never be considered a govt. that represents Islam or at the very least stand for Justice yet suddenly same govt remembered that civilians are dying in Yemen while actively supporting a regime with ,money, men and advice in killing hundred of thousand of civilians this is dual standards and a poor attempt to take the ordinary Muslim for a ride! If a Muslim act bad we should be prepared to criticize them, not pretend and dubiously defend their actions that we believe represent our sects,
I concur.


before you hold Saudi govt. to accountable
Actually anytime i hold Saudi govt accountable, it's usually base on ahadith of akhir zaman not he said, she said.


why don't you hold Assad accountable or is Assad actions now pleasing to you?
I am definitely not a fan of Assad. If i condemned his opposition doesn't mean i support him. I supported the right of syrians to protest against him at out-start. But when some groups on the pretext started getting weapons and money from Santa Claus to fight Assad and disintegrated their country, i have obligation base on Qur'an to shun them even though they appeared to be average civilians.

You know Santa Claus don't you. When they allied themselves with santa claus, this is direct violation of Sura Maida ayah 51. They become proxies and agent of fitna. They are they are the folks who entered masjid and murdered eminent Sunni Sheik during khutba just because he summoned them to make peace with their brother(Assad). They are the same folks who murdered Bishop and ate his flesh. They are the same folks who posed with J. McCain. These people can not be the oppressed civilians by Assad. This is my understanding of the situation in Syria. Assad is simply better off than the later.

As for Yemen current outbusrt, I didnt follow that. I will see if i can get some info from different sources.
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
Entrapment Exposition: I remember this brother, Akili was arrested around March 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yZJ138NQuM
Christianity Etc › Re: Being A Muslim Should Not Make Me A Terrorist by Empiree: 6:19am On Apr 21, 2015
true2god:
We are not bashing Islam but only pointing out the fact that mohammed is a false prophet,
^

Christianity Etc › Re: Being A Muslim Should Not Make Me A Terrorist by Empiree: 6:16am On Apr 21, 2015
true2god:
@ Empire.e, are you saying that all the quranic verses quoted are false or all taken out of context? The sooner you agree that Quran is essentially an anti-jewish and anti-christian hate-book, the better. This is a fact that is known to an average arab-muslim but are denied by African\Nigerian muslims.

Mohammed, in the quran, attacked and cursed christians in many verses and you are fully aware, unless you are ignorant or deliberately lying about that, that is not to say that there are no few verses that are pro-Jewish and pro-christian (and had been abrogated).

So you accusing christians that are pointing out the flaws in your religion is ridiculous because your quranic and mohammed started the 'bashing'. We are not bashing Islam but only pointing out the fact that mohammed is a false prophet, going by his deeds and actions (and the deeds of the first caliph, Abkr, which led to the first civil war bw the sunnis and the shia).
^

Christianity Etc › Re: Being A Muslim Should Not Make Me A Terrorist by Empiree:
MzNelly:
Lol, I actually read it.

And it's a bunch of Muslims who believe in the killing like their lives depended on it.

Being a while tongue
Perhaps, you need to take a little more time to review her posts and see that many nonsense she posted, lots of them are given answers. That will be proper if indeed you truly worship your god. I know there lots of Christians that have no clue what's in the bible. Should I compile bunch of extreme verses from Bibles and paste them?. You think i have time for that?. I am sure if i do that some Christians will try to give explanation for them. Common sense should always prevail. If ifean truly believes Christianity is the way, she should care less about Islam.

Truth always stands clear from falsehood. Ifeann is so in-secured. That's why she's here and there. Just click on her profile.

You can check these out.

Beware Of Christians (evangelism) And Their Use Of Deceptions
https://www.nairaland.com/2189813/beware-christians-evangelism-use-deceptions

Top Ten Signs You're A Fundamentalist Christian
https://www.nairaland.com/2153126/top-ten-signs-youre-fundamentalist


Muslims, Why Did You Fail To Probe This?
https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe#down

Was Jesus Naive To Have Said This?
https://www.nairaland.com/2257912/jesus-naive-said

Differences Between The One True God And The Islamic Allah
https://www.nairaland.com/2256249/differences-between-one-true-god

Islam's most powerful weapon the " Al Taqiyyah
https://www.nairaland.com/2172662/islams-most-powerful-weapon-al

Simple Questions
https://www.nairaland.com/2250628/simple-questions

Truth Not Tarqiyyah Is What Islam Preahces
https://www.nairaland.com/2259687/truth-not-tarqiyyah-what-islam

Jesus, son of man?
https://www.nairaland.com/2251469/jesus-son-man-read

Did Jesus Died For Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In
https://www.nairaland.com/2235053/did-jesus-died-sin-which

Islamic Allah's Messenger Claims Allah Wrote The Bible
https://www.nairaland.com/2239077/islamic-allahs-messenger-claims-allah

More Headache For Trinitarians!(NON-CHRISTIANS ARE NOT INVITED)
https://www.nairaland.com/2252055/more-headache-trinitarians-non-christians-not

For Muslims Who Believe The Bible Is Corrupt
https://www.nairaland.com/2248120/muslims-believe-bible-corrupt

Let's Take A Look At Slavery As Contained In Bible Verses
https://www.nairaland.com/2161012/lets-take-look-slavery-contained

Interesting Teachings You Can Learn From The Quran
https://www.nairaland.com/2246596/interesting-teachings-learn-quran

Do Qur'an Says Jesus Has Died?! Explanation Of The Word "Tawafii"
https://www.nairaland.com/2236722/quran-says-jesus-died-explanation

Radical Muslims Kill Over 100 Muslims At Mosques In Sanaa, ..what Else Is New
https://www.nairaland.com/2207449/radical-muslims-kill-over-100

Below, Bible was completely trashed.

Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible?
https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible

Most of these threads are opened by christians. Muslims also tackled them as they possibly could.


As for you, johnydon22, honestly, there is no need to try to convince anyone anymore. Even some kids today know that Western media, Jewish an christian islamophobia enterprise would do anything to whitewash.
Islam › Re: NASA Sees Fields Of Green Spring Up In Saudi Arabia by Empiree: 9:13pm On Apr 20, 2015
And probably in 10yrs from now, 2012 pix will be all green
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:10pm On Apr 20, 2015
AlBaqir:
If I attack Saudi, my sole aim has always been their Government policy which even core and average Sunni muslim does every now and then. This has nothing to do with "Sunni-Shi'a rivalry"
I concur.
By the way, how do you underline. I dont see such feature atop 'reply' bar. I see few people do that. I only see horizontal rule which is not it
Islam › Re: Warning To My Dear Brothers And Sisters!!! by Empiree: 9:01pm On Apr 20, 2015
^ na'am
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:46pm On Apr 20, 2015
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
I need to scrutinize the situation before i can really jump into this. I have little knowledge of what really happened for Saudi to have attacked fellow muslim country.

However, my major concern was simply to discourage Muslims on Muslims bickering and attacks. It makes us look stupid all the time. We are laughing stock all the time in this kind of incidents. You go to christian section, a longtime bigot who was absent for 4 months just returned today. The next thing he would do was to open a thread "what is the diff btw shia and sunni". I have not read contents of his thread. I am sure by the time I go there now it might be engrossed with hate comments toward islam altogether. This kind of thing make me sick to my stomach.

I'd intended to put the blame on Saudi initially for reasons posted by Albaqir. But seeing comment from kazlaw2000 given his thought on this issue (because he's not known to involve in sectarian talks), invigorates my scrutiny of the situation. If I were to give my thought base on baqir and vedaxcool, it'd been as usual because i know the two of you are 'day and night'.
Islam › Re: NASA Sees Fields Of Green Spring Up In Saudi Arabia by Empiree: 6:23am On Apr 20, 2015
updated.....
Islam › Re: Islamic Calling In Igbo Language With Former Reverend Levi Udemezue On ITV Abuja by Empiree: 6:21am On Apr 20, 2015
Updated...
Islam › Re: The Sorcerer's Plot by Empiree: 6:20am On Apr 20, 2015
You love fascinating stuff like this.
Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:41am On Apr 20, 2015
^ Was disturbed this too you know.
Properties › Re: Fences And Gates In Pictures And Prices by Empiree: 4:04am On Apr 20, 2015
spyder880:
A fence from another thread, lovely isn't it grin
Yes, it is. This is "Oluwa Champion" guy. I dont see him around of late. I followed his thread on this building. Interesting indeed.

Properties › Re: Fences And Gates In Pictures And Prices by Empiree: 4:02am On Apr 20, 2015
Fhemmmy:
Updates oh . . .Eyes are itching
I remember when you left this comment in 2011. Can't believe it's 4 yrs already. Chai
Christianity Etc › Re: Misconceptions About Islam by Empiree: 11:14pm On Apr 19, 2015
Maamin:
You are still lying, stop lying.. angry

Food › Re: Paste Pics Of Your Healthy Meal Here. by Empiree: 9:19pm On Apr 19, 2015
I am hungry^ grin
Christianity Etc › Re: If Islam For Muslims Does Not Want Non-muslims Commenting On The Threads There by Empiree:
9jaforlife:
You sound like colanut- which gets eaten up because of other people's affairs.

Do you read every single thread on FP? Is it impossible for you to skip Islamic topics on FP- which happens to constitute a veeery low fraction by occurrence on FP?

The fact that you're so pained that you can't comment means you would be one person who would gladly desecrate that section if you were granted free entry!! It's very obvious by the fact that you compare Muslims to a girl who walks n*aked in your post. Another christian who NEVER sees anything good in others... The m.ods took that action solely because of people like YOU!!!
@ bold got me grin grin grin grin

Nice response up there. The fact that he keeps up with this nonsensical makes me wonder he probably has ulterior motives too.
Christianity Etc › Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Empiree: 8:55pm On Apr 19, 2015
Further,

“The date of the composition is also unknown, but it was undoubtedly during the monarchy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)”

“The author is unknown. Jewish tradition points to Samuel, but it is unlikely that he is the author because the mention of David (4:17,22) implies a later date. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 360)”

“Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368)”

“There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)”

“Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459)”

“According to ancient Jewish tradition, Ezra wrote Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah (see Introduction to Ezra: Literary Form and Authorship), but this cannot be established with certainty. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 569)”

“Although we do not know who wrote the book of Esther, from internal evidence it is possible to make some inferences about the author and the date of composition. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 707)”

“The unknown author probably had access to oral and/or written sources….(From the NIV Bible commentary, page 722)”

“Regarding authorship, opinions are even more divided….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 773)”



So is this "holy book" you want us to believe?. God is not the author of confusion. If these dont open your eyes, I dont know what will.

Cc:truthman2012
Christianity Etc › Re: Mattew Vs Luke: A Contradictory Gospel (part2) by Empiree:
[quote author=truthman2012 post=32880599]If you say the NT is a fraud, what do you call the quran? I noticed all of you are looking away from my thread for inability to defend allah's fraud in the quran. See it again:

https://www.nairaland.com/2260353/muslims-why-did-fail-probe

Paul wrote many epistles of the Gospel. If there was anyone who should attract allahh's attention in the bible, it is Paul. Paul had written all he wrote before Muhammad's islam, but allahh didn't dispute his writings as you islam adherents are doing today.
Lol, you dont seize to amaze me. Well, There is something called "System Of Meaning" by which a verse or verses of the Qur'an are understood without direct mentioning of individual. Allah does not recognize Mr. Paul, the founder of Christianity. I am glad you said he wrote the Bible, which means it has nothing to do with Jesus and his authentic message. Allah sent Isa(Jesus-the son of Mary) to Israelite NOT Paul. So by system of meaning, Quran sums it up in this verse. (Baqarah 79)

"So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."

So this verse^ is clear enough that Quran already referred to Paul and other known and unknown writers of the Bibles. Bible itself recorded this fact:


[size=16pt]“`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:cool”[/size]

"Lying pen" sums it. grin grin grin


The bible had exited in the form it is now before Muhammad's islam, yet allah didn't make any comment about him. It shows allahh was forced to bow to Paul's writings. The miracles allahh and his prophet, muhammad were unable to perform were Paul's normal evangelical life.

Allahh claimed to have given Jesus a book as in: He (Jesus) said: Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet (Quran 19:30 Shakir).

Who wrote the Book and where is it if not the writings of the Disciple?
@ bold, the question is which Bible?. You have over 40 different contradictory versions. All of them can not be from God. But if you insist, I ask you, did God reveal Women Bible, Skate Bible, Kiddie Bible, Homosexual Bible as well?. I already dealt with this stuff on two threads.

I hate to say this but I think it is necessary so you know how Bible scholars have shot themselves in the foot.

[size=14pt]The Entire Bible Is Corrupted Anyway According To Its Theologians![/size]

The Bible itself admits that it has been tampered with and corrupted by man’s alterations and corruptions:

“`How can you say, “We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?’ (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:cool”

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: “How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:cool”

And regarding who wrote the books and gospels of the Bible, well here is a sample of what the NIV Bible’s theologians and historians wrote:

“Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending has been lost. (From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)”

“Although the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)”

“The writer of this letter does not identify himself, but he was obviously well known to the original recipients. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1856)”

“The letter is difficult to date with precision….(From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)”

“It seems safe to conclude that the book, at least in its early form, dates from the beginning of the monarchy. Some think that Samuel may have had a hand in shaping or compiling the materials of the book, but in fact we are unsure who the final author or editor was. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 286)”

“Although, according to tradition, Samuel wrote the book, authorship is actually uncertain. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 322)”

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