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Bobbysworld28:
I dont reason with others? Ok, u want to hide Muhammed under my non-existent dialogue with atheist? Whts d correlation? Dont bother apologizing because u r forgiven and loved irrespective

Ifeann:
Its forged but I like the story. I used to have a forged IWC wrist watch. Very nice but it was still a cheap fake. Ur story is as fake as Islam and false as Mohammed

malvisguy212:
ok let comperd the two verse about Jesus and adam;

"When I have fashioned him (in due
proportion) and breathed INTO HIM of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him." Q38:72

This quranic verse does NOT say adam is a spirit FROM God,it say God breath into him. and the quran went on to say "breathed" it was this breath that gave life to us.

Here is the verse for Jesus;

Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Wor d, which
He bestowed on Mary, and A SPIRIT
FROM HIM.”

Here it say Jesus is "a spirit from God" Jesus is the only prophet which is adress like this. The quran never Gave the reason for the virgin birth ,when Mary ask "My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me?"the reply of the angel in the quran was " Allah createth what He WILL. If he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: Be! And it is.” in other word, have you forgot how Allah create Adam? That how he will create the child. If you read through the quran the purpose of the virgin birth is not used, everything ended after the unique conception.

It is in the bible we know the reason of the virgin birth;

Luke 1:30-35
.... “How is this to be, since I
am a virgin?” In answer the angel
said to her: “Holy spirit will come
upon you and power of the Most
High will OVERSHADOWED you.
Therefore the child to be born will
be called holy — the Son of God.”

The reason in the bible is crystal clear here,the power of God came upon her and the holy spirit overshadowed her that causes an holy seed to be implanted in her.and if you continuously reading the bible you will find the purpose.

Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

To deny that God does anything without
a purpose behind it amounts to a denial
of God himself. ( Surah 38:27) In the
Qur’an, it is the very absence of such a
clearly defined purpose in the unique
conception of Jesus, which perplexes the seeker of truth as to the meaning behind this miraculous birth. Being born of a virgin-woman, Jesus had an exceptional and unique beginning to his life on earth. As he was the only man in all human history to come into the world in this unusual way, we cannot be satisfied with the Qur’an’s summary declaration that it was no more than just an exercise of God’s power.

PastorKun:
Your usual altaqquiya tac0tiics, you have been corrected several times on the forum that it was clearly stated to be a parable but the spirit of islam in you makes to continue to twist the passage out of context. I will reproduce the whole passage below and highlight verse 11 which makes it crystal clear even to the brain dead that it was a parable.

usermane:
Empiree, 9jaforlife, i "ll love to have your answer to the OP 's question. I think this is a very important issue, considering that you present yourselves here as Muslims who believe in the punishment of the grave. Please lets be focused.

Ifeann:
"Isa ibn Mariyam (AS),
passed by a group of men who shouted evil things at him.
In return Isa (AS) spoke to them with kindness.
His companions asked:
"Why did you reply to these men with kindness when they spoke evil to you?"
Isa (AS) replied: 'Everyone spends from the coin he has."

Ifeann:
[s]Lol.. I asked for their youtube handle. Can u pls send me a link.



I just visited the groups website and was reading its historic background. It says...."The two-fold desire to halt the assault of anti-Islamic preachers and house-to-house canvassers and the ugly incidence of weak Muslims being carted away into Christianity now drew duo of Yusuf Adepoju and a fellow Muslim brother, Abdul-Afeez Igbayilola together to quickly form a Dawah Group"

Apparently when smart people leave Islam u Muslims call them weak.. Maybe they are too weak to fight in jihads or capture people as sex slaves. Its a good thing to know the mass conversion of Muslims to Christians caused the Yusuf fellow to panic and set up this group.


And Its number one objective is this ...".To propagate the Religion of Islam, in its pure and unblemished form through Dawah."

Lol.. We all know Mohammed allows the use of AL TAQIYYA to propagate isalm. Can this group be trusted to be honest.

And please can u guarantee safety.

Bobbysworld28:
From all I hv seen, she presents claims and backs them up with d quran and hadiths. U hv discounted hadiths as false. Lets say we agree with u.
The way I see it, either u discount d quran too as false, or u explain from the quran showing the falsehood of Ifeann's assertions. U hv done neither of these and this lets us (non-muslims and shaky muslims) to believe Ifeann speaks the truth.
I knw u will attack me, but it is alright since I hv come to expect dt from u

PastorKun:
Or did you read anywhere in the new testament where Jesus gave instructions to his followers to fight and kill on his behalf like your mohammed did

PastorKun: Your usual altaqquiya tac0tiics, you have been corrected several times on the forum that it was clearly stated to be a parable but the spirit of islam in you makes to continue to twist the passage out of context. I will reproduce the whole passage below and highlight verse 11 which makes it crystal clear even to the brain dead that it was a parable.

PastorKun:
[s]The several use of the term "allah" in this your write up betrays the fact that it is an islamic forgery.[/s]

Bobbysworld28:
I respond for her: NO!
U cannot be trusted

PastorKun:
Yes this was a prophecy that christians will be persecuted for their beliefs and the likes of on.

Bobbysworld28:
For ur mind, ifeann.
is this agressive and u want to go with his recommendation?
Do u hv a death wish? Dont evn consider the offer. It is a poisoned chalice

PastorKun:
Yes I admit that there are a number of violent verses in the Jewish Old testament that was directed to the children of Israel. However these instructions do not form the basis of christian theology. Christians follow the teachings of christ and nothing else even if it was in the documented history of Israel'

Empiree:
Is this exist strategy?
No, i truly want to see you debate them openly. They are properly coordinated. There is no need to rant online. Please if you are interested, i will give you their contact to call for open challenge on christian/muslim debate (on theology). It's going to be in the open. See what preparation they have for distant challengers. Dont know if they do. Or..,

If you are not or can not physically present, be sure to arrange true2god, pastokun, allnaijablogger, Bobbysworld28, dejilg, truthman212, nortcentrallord, malvisguy212, OREMUSSANCTUS to represent you. And let them also bring as little as 10 people with them each. That's where you can convert as many muslims as you possibly can. Conversion will not work here. And if chief preacher asks for names for recognition purposes, in order for us on NL to be able to identify you, kindly tell them to syndicate "ifeann-NL-group". That way we Muslims here will be able to recognize.

Youtube video will be made available later for you to watch. Do you want to do this?


Sorry, there is not serious debate online. Kindly refer to the above see if you are interested?. And I ask you too, who was the father of Adam?. Who impregnated Mary?

Ifeann:
[s]Wow.. Islamic science of the grave...lol??

Empiree sweetheart please define eschatology?..??

U claim u have studied it extensively and what's that other term u love to use..emmm.. Epistemology. [/s]

Ifeann:
This is very rude... Please don't be aggressive to the gentleman bobbysworld28. Several people have told you the same thing he has told u.. U don't have an issue based discussion based on evidence. U prefer to intimidate and throw insults. I wonder what u will do to ifeann if u where discussing with her in person.

AllNaijaBlogger:
[s]Keep it up. You just keep driving people away from islam. When you I first met you, I was interested in Islam but your lies drove me away.

You copy and paste propaganda. You have zero original thought.[/s]

PastorKun:
But it's not only the hadiths that records the. Violent acts of mohammed, your 'protected' quoran also has a lot of violent and offensive instructions against non muslims given to spread islam through forceful means, did Dr Ally address the issue of violence in the quoran? And please we won't accept that the instructions were given for self defence(al taqquiya) cause a lot of those instructions were clearly for offensive warfare.

Empiree:
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Page 17, Chapter 17

17. In this chapter is clearly perceived the unbelief of Christians, and the true faith of Mumin(Muslims).

When Jesus had said this, Philip answered: 'We are content to serve God, but we desire, however, to know God. For Isaiah the prophet said: "Verily thou art a hidden God," and God said to Moses his servant: "I am that which I am."

Jesus answered: 'Philip, God is a good without which there is naught good; God is a being without which there is naught that is; God is a life without which there is naught that liveth; so great that he filleth all and is everywhere. He alone hath no equal. He hath had no beginning, nor will he ever have an end, but to everything hath he given a beginning and to everything shall he give an end. He hath no father nor mother; he hath no sons, nor brethren, nor companions. And because God hath no body, therefore he eateth not, sleepeth not, dieth not, walketh not, moveth not, but abideth eternally without human similitude, for that he is incorporeal, uncompounded, immaterial, of the most simple substance. He is so good that he loveth goodness only; he is so just that when he punisheth or pardoneth it cannot be gainsaid. In short, I say unto thee, Philip, that here on earth thou canst not see him nor know him perfectly; but in his kingdom thou shalt see him for ever: wherein consisteth all our happiness and glory.'

Philip answered: 'Master, what sayest thou? It is surely written in Isaiah that God is our father; how, then, hath he no sons?'

Jesus answered: 'There are written in the prophets many parables, wherefore thou oughtest not to attend to the letter, but to the sense. For all the prophets, that are one hundred and forty-four thousand, whom God hath sent into the world, have spoken darkly. But after me shall come the Splendour of all the prophets and holy ones, and shall shed light upon the darkness of all that the prophets have said, because he is the messenger of God.'(<-prophet Muhammad is referenced here...so clear). And having said this, Jesus sighed and said: 'Have mercy on Israel, O Lord God and look with pity upon Abraham and upon his seed, in order that they may serve thee with truth of heart.

His disciples answered: 'So be it, O Lord our God!'

Jesus said: 'Verily I say unto you, the scribes and doctors have made void the law of God with their false prophecies, contrary to the prophecies of the true prophets of God: Wherefore God is wroth with the house of Israel and with this faithless generation.' His disciples wept at these words, and said: 'Have mercy, O God, have mercy upon the temple and upon the holy city, and give it not into contempt of the nations that they despise not thy holy covenant.' Jesus answered: 'So be it, Lord God of our fathers.'

Read the above^ very well. Jesus clearly predicted distortion of his message and law. There are at least forty(40) different Bibles. Most contradict one another. Some Bible are missing verses and chapters. They even have "kiddie Bible", "Skate Bible", "Women Bible", "Amplified Bible". Very ridiculous!
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AllNaijaBlogger:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ads-for-islam-misquote-shaw-from-bogus-book/story-fn59niix-1226676192844

I hope you know that those Bernard Shaw quotes you put up are false.

There is no doubt that Prophet Muhammad was a great man

but there is no need to tell lies to promote him