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TheBigUrban2: Ehem......also address the claims of there being "Islamic Economics"
I am on the side that there is no such thing as islamic economic (finance, yes but not economics that can run a nation's economy)

Sissie and Empiree are on the side that islamic economics exists

I honestly dont think you should expect me to write a book here just because i want to satisfy your thirst. Well, there are books written on Islamic economics by Islamic scholars of past(19cent) and present. See if you can find these books and read them.

***First Principles of Islamic Economics by Sayyid Abul A'la Mawdudi

***An Introduction to Islamic Economics by Muhammad Akram Khan

***Economic Justice in Islam by S.M. Yusuf

***Islam, Economics, and Society (RLE Politics of Islam) by Syed Nawab Haider Naqvi (this book is expensive).

***Islam And Economics by Imran Hussein (this is in one of the videos I gave you earlier. Also a book is written on it).

usermane: Peace, i believe you or other muslims shouldn't have left it all to Empiree. There are problems with those hadith and his post entirely. I just didn't respond earlier because i 've been kind of busy and feel maybe someone else would come with better answer. You can wait till i address the faults of those Ahadith later tonight.

Salam, kindly type out what you considered "problems" with my entire post. I told you that there are other versions as well that explain more details that I couldn't type them here. Too much. I want to imagine those "problems" that you found contradict Quran. I am waiting.

but ceiling size(s) may be wider than this POPs

cirmuell: poland and Autria is the native lands of Jews? Buhahah, how gullible can these guys be

Do these White people look Jews of the time of Moses and Jesus to you?. Do they have any connection with prophets?. These are European Jews (Europeans who converted to Judaism)

omenka: The problem started just after the WWII when US had to carve out a portion of another man's land for the occupation of Jewish settlers instead of leaving them in their native lands, Poland and Austria!!

They were given a yard and before you know what was happening, they wanted a mile!! That was the beginning of the problem.

Tell him abeg

Looking at the pictures of decimated properties, who are the real terrorists

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AlBaqir: Take your time brother and digest. That is just the beginning in sha Allah. May Allah give us the right understanding.

Kanz ummal (treasures of doers of good deeds) is one of a collection of Sunni hadith compiled by Muhadith Ali Muttaqi al-Hindi (888AH).

You are right with the the meaning. I never knew it's a collection of Hadith. That's cool. And I was right. The phrase is in Surah Khaf 82. I always recite pass the phrase but didnt pay much attention to verse # or when i listen to the recitation. Just noticed.

When Captors become captive. How True Is This?
http://naijagists.com/boko-haram-480-nigerian-soldiers-who-fled-to-cameroon-disarmed-sheltered-in-schools/

Even when you apply for job, if you qualify, they still bargain with you even though they have specific amount they will pay you. For example, after you qualified for job offer, manager asks how much are you willing to be paid?. Say minimum wage is 7$/hr, and you say you want 10$, it's up to the company to hire you. Point is you still bargain but because we live in modern economy which is pretty much regulated, your wage is confined at certain per hour amount. It doesn't matter if you want more. That comes later or never. Potential employee however is afraid of asking for bigger amount to avoid losing potential job offer. Anyways, nice talking with you. Am not economist. I may contribute later here in the future. I am into medical.

TheBigUrban2: No budgets, no imports, no exports, no macroeconomic polices, nothing......yet they are proof that there is islamic economy

Seems like you talking about specific business while i am talking about general business ethics. We seem to be on diff page my friend.

1-Budgets, of course all meaningful biz would have budgets.

2-no imports, no exports, all businesses involve this? I am not talking about specific business

3-macroeconomic polices, here you dealing with probably nations, parties' etc economy. This is the one i was talking about earlier, it policies. Now if you talking about specific company policies, I am not getting involve in that. Thats not what i am talking about
I dont know which part of the world you live but I can almost guarantee you that many living on minimum wage or wage salary really not achieving financial freedom. Some do something else on the side. Yes, Tbaba may disagree but thats not the point. The point is as far as I know minimum wage is not in islam. Rather, bargain wage. Minimum wage is a system regulated in our time. There are many contractors, like licensed building construction workers. They work on contract. You dont expect them to work minimum wage for anyone. They charge the chunk. Dont get me wrong. I am not saying minimum wage is bad.
There is micro and macro economics in Islam. What you want here is layout of specific business. But I gave you islamic economic policies. It can be small trade or better still large scale business. I am not talking about specific business. Islam economic polices are explained in the links. I think two of the links explained it (including bunch of videos). So i am not talking about specific business.

[quote author=TheBigUrban2][/quote]You missing the point my man. Can you actually conduct trade in modern time like 6th century?. Of course not. The points highlighted in my earlier post deal with business ethics, investment, economics etc. Capitalism sucks anyways. And of course nothing stops us in modern time from modern economic chart you drawn earlier. The fact is modern economics doesnt change 6th century Islamic economy free and fair market outlined in the Quran and hadith.
For example, usury will never be permitted in Islam. Fair market will never be forbidden in Islam. Marketing and trading are parts of islamic economic growth. As for minimum wage, if that's your believe so be it. Minimum wage is really for the poor. It doesnt matter if it's 20$ an hr. It makes poor permanently poor and rich permanently rich. Tell Donald Trump to work at Wall Street for 30$ an hr, he would curse you out. However, $30/hr is lottery for the poor.

Runing away? i dont think it's proper dialogue with you. You are a waste of my precious time. I gave you links you replied is few minutes that you understood everything therein and still want me talking to you. Pls

usermane: Thanks Hkana and Empiree but the basis for discarding hadith goes beyond what i 've covered here. So i 'll pass the invitation.
Can you tell us those hadith that taught you how to pray? Please post. Also i need response from others like Rilwayne001 on this.

HOW TO PRAY LIKE PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW) Surah 2:277, 9:71

The Prophet(saw) said: "Pray as you have seen me pray" (Bukhari)
The Prophet(saw): "The first thing one will be held accountable for on the Day of Judgement is prayer" (At-Tirmidhi)
There are things to take note before praying Salat. Now I understand there are many who pray as they see their parents pray. This is not 100% correct even though their parents pray as Prophet prayed. There should be academic approach to this.

There are Prerequisites Of The Prayer:
1-Wudu (which we already discussed)
2- The correct prescribed time
3-Proper covering of the body
4-Clean place of prayer, must be free from any impuries
5-Face The Qibla (we must make the best attempt to Direction of sacred Mosque in Makkah)
6-Unspoken(silent) intention in the heart

Intention:Hadith: Narrated by 'Umar bin Al-Khattab: “I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The reward of deeds depend upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for." (Bukhari, hadith no 1)

The opening Takbir "Takbiratul Ihram"
Raise the arms "(parallel to his shoulders" Bukhari
"(parallel to his Ears" Muslim
Say "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest)

Wa'il ibn Hujr(ra): "I prayed with the messanger of Allah(saw) and he used to put his right hand on his chest" (ibn Khuzaimah, Bulugh al-maram 217)
Wa'il ibn Hujr(ra): "He placed his right hand over the back of his left hand, wrist and arm" (Abu Daud)

Where To Look: "His sight would be towards the Earth" (al-bayhaqi)
"When he(saw) entered the Ka'ba his sight did not leave the place of his sujood until he left it" (al-bayhaqi)
Where Not To Look: He(saw) forbade looking towards the sky" (Bukhari)
"People must desist looking towards the sky in Salah or their sight will not return to them"(Bukhari)

Recite Opening Surah Fathia: must be recited in each raka'(unit) in loud prayer and silent ones
The Prophet said: "There is no Salaah if one does not recite Ummul-Quran (surah al--Fatihah)" -Bukhari and Muslim
Hadith: Prophet (S.A.W) said, “Whoever does not recite sura al-Fatiha in his prayer, his salah is invalid”. (Bukhari 756)

Say Ameen silently.
Hadith: Reported by Alqama ibn Waeel from his father that Rasullulah (S.A.W) after reading GHAIRIL MAGDUBI ALAIHIM WA LAD DALLIN, read AMEEN with silent voice. (Tirmizi vol 1 page 35)

Add one surah or one long verse or three short verses from the Quran.

Hadith: Once prophet (S.A.W) read two shortest surat of the Quran in fajr salah. At the end of the salah companions (R.A) asked, O prophet of Allah, why did you shorten the salah today? He replied, “I heard a child is crying, I guessed that the mother is reading salah with us. Therefore I shortened the salah in order to relieve the mother.” (Musnad E Ahmad; Ibn Abi Dawud; Sifati saltin-nabi, Al-Bani 103)
(Hmm, May God bless Nabi Muhmmad. See how merciful he is to us).
Note: Followers must not read “Alhamdu... And Sura”, rather they must listen.

Hadith; Abu Musa narrated that prophet (SAW) taught us how to read salah. He said to us whenever you read salah one of you may become imam and when imam starts to read Qirat followers may keep silent.( Muslim 404)

Allah says, “When Quran is being recited you should listen to it attentively.” (A’raf :23)
Hadith: The prophet (S.A.W) would make takbir every time he declined for ruku. (Muslim 392)

Step 12. Place the hands on the knees and keep the fingers spread out. Keep the legs vertical while the back is straight with the head and buttocks.

Hadith: If the prophet (S.A.W) was in ruku he would straighten his back that if water was poured on his back it would remain. (Ibn Majah 872)


Read “Subhana Rabbial A’zeem” at least three times.
Hadith: prophet (S.A.W) said, “If one performs ruku, he should say three times Subhana Rabbial A’zeem, and this the minimum.” (Abu Dawud 885)


While standing up from ruku say SamiAllahu liman hamidah and thereafter make your body upright and say Rabbana wa lakal hamd.

Hadith: Rasululllah (S.A.W) used to say SamiAllahu liman Hamidah While standing up from ruku and after straightening his body he would say Rabbana wa Lakal Hamd. (Bukhari, Muslim, Albani page 141)

Say Allahu Akbar when declining for sajdah (prostration) and when rising from it.

Hadith: Prophet (S.A.W) would recite Allahu Akbar for every incline and decline. (Muslim 392)


Make your sajdah between two palms.

Hadith: The prophet (S.A.W) would place his face between his hands when prostrating. (Muslim 392)


Say the Tasbih three times. (Subhana rabbial a’la)

Hadith: Abdullah ibn Masud (R.A) reported that prophet (S.A.W) said, “When one of you bow, he should say three times Subhana rabbial a’zeem and when he prostrates, he should say Subhana rabbial a’la. This is the minimum number. (Abu Dawud 885)

Keep distances the abdomen from the thighs, elbows from the sides and arms off the ground.

Hadith: Ibn Abbas (R.A) said, I came to the prophet (S.A.W) from behind, I saw the whiteness of his armpits and he kept them far away from his sides and raised his stomach [from the ground]. (Abu Dawud 898)


Women: Must place their arms flat on the ground in sajdah.

Hadith: Yazid Ibn Abi Habib states that Rasulullah (S.A.W) passed by two women who were performing their salah. He said to them, “When you prostrate, make part of your body touch the ground because a woman is unlike a man in these aspects.” (Abu Dawud 118; Sunanul Kubra 2/223)

During the brief sitting between two sajdahs and during the sitting of tashahhud it is sunnah for a man to lay down his left foot on its left side and sit on it while the right foot is allowed to stand upright with the heel in the air so that the toes are facing the direction of prayer.
Hadith: this hadith is related from Ibn Umar (R.A) in the hadith book An-Nasai. (1/248)


Women: should sit on her left buttock and take out both her legs towards the right side. She should place both her hands on the thighs and keep her fingers close together.

Hadith: Abdullah Ibn Umar (R.A) was asked how the women performed their salah during the era of Rasulullah (S.A.W). He replied that initially they used to sit cross-legged . Then they were ordered to draw themselves close together and lean onto one side by resting on their left buttocks and completely contracting themselves.
(Jamiul Masanid 1/400)


During tashahhud place the hands on the thighs. Do not hold the knees.(Reference: Nur al Idah 156)


Raise the index finger when say La ilaha and lower it when affirming Illal Allah.

Hadith: It is narrated that when Rasulullah (S.A.W) used to sit down to supplicate, (to recite tashahhud) he used to place his right hand on his right thigh and his left hand on his left thigh. He would indicate at the time of reciting the shahadah by raising his index finger. He would also join the ends of his thumb and middle finger (thereby forming a circle). [Sahih Muslim, chapter on the description of sitting-Hadith no.579]


Read Allahumma salli ala... and Allahumma barik ala...

Quran: Allah says: O you those who believe! Do pray to Allah to bless him and send your salam (prayer for his being in peace) to him in abundance. (Al-Ahzab 56)

Supplicate with the words that resemble the quran and sunnah.

Hadith: Abu Bakar (R.A) reported that he said to the prophet (S.A.W) “Teach me O messenger of Allah, the supplication that I may ask in my prayer. Upon which the prophet (S.A.W) said, say “Allahumma inni zalamtu ..... gafurur rahim.” (Bukhari 834)


Say Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah together with a salam of Imam.

Hadith: Itban bin Malik (R.A) narrated, “We offered prayer with the prophet and used to finish our prayer with the taslim along with his. (Bukhari 838)


It is recommended to look at the area of prostration when standing; at the top part of the feet when bowing; at the tip of the nose when in prostration; at the lap when sitting and at the shoulders when giving the final salam. This is recommended for both male and female, the intended aim being to protect oneself from destruction.
The prophet (S.A.W) said, worship Allah as if you see him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you. (Bukhari, 47)

Note: there are other versions as well that actually make no difference from this. Just version. I just wanted to avoid mentioning Schools of Thought here. I mixed it. Please note that lots of these are typed out. It's painstaking efforts doing this. I know you could easily get this information if you want to. I just wanted to be compassionate toward you. So please dont ridicule this. Just give your thought. Perhaps, you should now return to Islam following the sunah pact.

usermane: Thanks Hkana and Empiree but the basis for discarding hadith goes beyond what i 've covered here. So i 'll pass the invitation.
Can you tell us those hadith that taught you how to pray? Please post. Also i need response from others like Rilwayne001 on this.

Dont know exactly how you pray obligatory Salat if at all you do. But there are various reports from Ahadith. I guess we should start with Wudu(ablution). Wudu, or ablution, is both a traditional ritual and a practical means by which Muslims may seek to maintain good physical and spiritual hygiene. Traditionally, Wudu refers to the mental preparation of Muslims for the Salat (prayer/Tholugai), one of the Five Pillars of Islam.

Intention To Make Wudu: The Prophet(saw) said, "There is no wudu for him who does not mention Allah's name upon it." (Sahih inb Majah, At-Trimithee, Abu Dawud and others)

Wash The Hands: Humran(ra) narrates that Uthman(ra) called for water to make wudu and washed his hands three times...then said, "I saw messanger(saw) make wudu just as I have made wudu. "(Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

Rinse The Mouth: Prophet (saw) said, "when you make wudu then wash your mouth." Sahih Bukhari

Nose: Volume 1, Book 4, Number 162:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Whoever performs ablution should clean his nose with water by putting the water in it and then blowing it out, and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with odd number of stones."

Wash The Face:Sura Maidah:6
Humran ibn Abaan(ra) narrates that Uthman(ra) called for water to make wudu and mentioned the way in which the prophet(saw) made wudu. Humran(ra) said, " Then he washed his face three times." (Sahih- Bukhari, Muslim)
Note: Anas(ra) narrates that the prophet(saw), when he made wudu, used to take a handful of water and enter it below his chin and rub it through his beard and said, " This is what my Lord-the Great and Exalted has ordered me to do." (sahih Abu Daud

Wash The Hand: Nuaim ibn Mijamr(ra) said, " I saw Abu Huraira make wudu- he washed his face and completed the wudu, then washed his right hand until he reached the upper arm, then his left hand till he reached the upper arm"- then in the end of the hadith he said: "This is how I saw Raosulllah(saw) make wudu (Sahih Muslim).

Wipe Your Head Once: Allah said (Maidah 6)

Wipe Ear once: From Abdullah ibn Amr(ra) about performing wudu- he (saw) said, "Then he (saw) wiped his head and entered his two forefingers into his ears and wiped the backs of his ears with his thumbs". (Sahih Abu dawud, Ibn Majah)

Wash The Right Foot (be sure to include the ankle): "Ibn Umar(ra), Messanger(saw) fell behind us and then came upon us during a journey, when we found him and it was time for Asr- so we began to make Wudu and wipe over our feet, so he(saw) called out at the top of his voice, 'Woe to the ankles from the Fire. (two or three times)"' (sahih Bukhari and Muslim)

Note: Al-Mustaurad(ra) said "when the prophet(saw) made wudu he would enter water between his toes with his little finger." (sahih abu Daud, Ibn Majah, At-Tirmithee). And left foot (Surah Maida:6). This concludes Wudu.

After finishing Wudu it's recommended to recite this...
I bear witness that there is no god but God, Alone without partner. And I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and messanger. (added supplication) "O God, make me of those who constantly repent and those who are pure.
(note, there are other reports on these, different versions of the same thing)

Note, it's painstaking efforts typing this out. Therefore, it's unfair to ridicule it.

[quote author=TheBigUrban2][/quote]I honestly did not expect anything less from you. You went through the whole thing is couple of minutes?. Exactly how scholarship works right?. Well, on minimum age, some may disagree. The fact is it's a form of slavery. Imagine less privileged folks working hard and being paid wage of a dog and we have some men up there driving BMW, sitting around and drinking coffee. And at the end of the month they take home thousands of bucks. How's that fair?. Well, no need to argue here my friend. I didnt expect anything better from you if you could reply within very tiny period and telling me you went through the whole links?. Abeg, go siddon.

TheBigUrban2: School me with facts then.


Where are the economic policies in the Quran or hadith?

Or you think Jizya tax and zakat run an economy? lol



What does the Quran/hadith say about import/exports? What about minimum wage and capital gains? What about corporations- are corporations define in the Quran?

@bold got me

Well, there is no "minimum wage" in Islam. Instead you bargain. You pay people what they worth . If you own a real property and you rent or sell it. Islam maintains that it must be at market value. It is reported in Hadith (paraphrase)where in the time of the prophet(saw), a man or woman sells his or her goods below market value in other to make "quick sales", upon hearing this, prophet(saw) quickly advised him (or her) to raise the price. This subject is linked with riba (usury). Another hadith talks about Bilal (ra) selling his inferior dates in exchange for quality dates. Upon hearing this, prophet(saw) warned him about possibility of engaging usury. The thing is Quran and Hadith are guiding lights. Some things are legislated and do not change. Some are left with authority (muslim leader). There are lengthy ahadith I cant possibly type them all here. Example...

Moral Conduct in Entrepreneurship

“And measure full when you measure. And weigh with an even balance. This is better and its end is good.” [Al-Bani-Israel: 35].

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: “The seller and the buyer have the right to keep or return the goods as long as they have not parted or till they part; and if both the parties spoke the truth and described the defects and qualities [of the goods], then they would be blessed in their transaction, and if they told lies or hid something, then the blessings of their transaction would be lost.” (Bukhari, No: 1937)

It was reported that during Ottoman empire, they used to have "market police" who oversaw and enforced prices in the free and fair market. The thing is Islam economy policies are usually linked with riba. Troll these links see if you can benefit one or two things. Please go through the last link as well. Link #1 sure have Quranic verses and ahadith on economy and shariah compliant investment. There are lots of talks on Islam and economics, Islam and international monetary system and so fourth in the last link.

1- http://islamiceconomicsproject./islamic-economics-in-quran-hadith/
2- http://www.onislam.net/english/shariah/hadith/this-hadith/437206.html
3- http://www.albalagh.net/Islamic_economics/finance.shtml#Top
https://www.youtube.com/user/SheikhImranHosein/videos

TheBigUrban2: There is no such thing as an islamic economic system.

Where does the Quran/Hadith talk about macroeconomic policies or demand/supply or balance of payments or means of production or capital vs labour? The whole idea of economics and countries started a thousand years after islam was founded....so how can there be islamic economics?

There is only islamic finance.

#I just schooled you on islam

No, you need to be schooled. And you claimed to have studied Islam?. bro, go back to school

usermane: you need chains of transmission to know that you have to be kind or honest?

Arent you orthodox at some point?. You learned how Prophet(saw) talked, worked, his lifestyle, attitude to fellow muslims and non-muslims, his history, his kindness to his wives, how to mate your wife, how to pray, how to acquire knowledge, how to eat, what to eat, what to not eat, when to be angry and when to not, what to do in anger and what to not including many more that i can mention.
These are not necessarily exclusively told in Quran. Sometimes, we dont need explanation of certain verses in Quran (tafsir). Sometimes, some verses are not clear (verses that are classified mutashabihat [/i]i:e not entirely clear- ref Sura Imran vs 7). Those "mutashabihat" verses need tawil (interpretation). And Allah said Muhammad is best example both for muslims and non-muslims to follow him. Ch. 33:21.
Because you reject sunna is the reason you dont understand salat. Perhaps you dont have faith in Ramadan, and how to perform hajj and all that. It's the Prophet(s) who practicalized this(as example for muslims, his followers). Now because you are "ex-orthodox" made you aware of some religious practices in light of Sunnah(pact of the prophet-saw). You can no longer deny that. So stop beefing in cycle and return to religion of your father, Ibrahim[i] alaih salatul wasam

what is the name of this roof material called pls?. I am now jealous of it looking at the finishing.

spyder880: This one and aluminium step tiles? This type of course. It's thicker, heavier. May fade in look as we age but [b]may never leak due to puncture. [/b]Made of galvanised steel.

That's controversial statement. That's my concern. It looks like if punctured, will leak. But Step Tiles may not (anyways, that's abuse). Looks like what it is called shingle in US, inst?.

Oh sorry, i now see the other side(inside of it). Okay nau that makes it different from American Shingle

usermane: We 've answered these questions in the past. @bold, kindly point where i stated we shouldn't obey the messenger.

[QURAN 3:31, 4:80, 5:92]

"Obey God and obey the messenger is a common clause in the Qur'an. Man must obey God, but man doesn't directly hear the words of God. There exist a messenger whom God relays His orders to. To obey God, man must obey His orders delivered by the messenger. This is equivalent to obeying the messenger.

[QURAN 33:21]

Interpreting in its context, one that God recommend the conduct or attitude of his messenger during the war(33:20, 22) as exemplary. A more general interpretation beyond this context is fine.
The messenger has been described as one of exalted character(68:4) and coupling that with this verse(33:21), one who hopes for eternal life have in the Prophet a model.

The examples muslims ought to emulate in the Messenger include noble traits such as generosity, honesty, politeness, kindness, piety, discipline, diligence, determination, patience and perseverence. Of course, we he is dead but we read his words when we read the Qur'an and we know he kept the words. If we keep to these words too, we are emulating him.

Here you go. @bold, how do you know this if not through chains of transmission. You just spoke of Hadith @bold. Dont forget there is Hadith Qudsi as well. Why are you beefing in cycle?. Come to Islam my friend.

Mr. Spyder, which do you think is more affordable yet lasting btw these roof sheets and Step tiles?

for which one: the 1st, 2nd or 3rd?. The middle seems bigger.

mufutau55: Sure. Let me know where you reposted it (may be suited in Religious forum), I want to know the prices too... I am in the same boat.
I always get mine here from English Town in New Jersey, but I gotta send money to Nigeria for my mother's...

Hajji M.

It's religious section if you dont mind?. @bold is what I am trying to do too

How Much Do You Think Each Of These Will Cost This Year ?

mufutau55: Empiree, you posted this in a wrong Forum and Thread... Pictures have been deleted...

Hajji M.

Oh thanks, wrong thread indeed. i am sorry.

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mufutau55: Some advantages are to prevent weed growing from underneath and water sipping from underneath.. I am sure Oga Spyder will have more.

Hajji M.

Okay. I thought about that but wasnt sure. That means the only thing that holds the stones together is multiple interlocks, isnt?. I thought there is plaster (cement) in btw that sticks them together.

Hope lost on missing kids after parents got paid by govt. Jona cant find missing kids. How true is this.
http://naijagists.com/chibok-parents-give-up-search-for-missing-girls-after-jonathan-gave-them-money/

Sissie: Commendable understanding!!!!!!!!! I find this soo hilarious

The last time I tried having a discussion about Islam with the big urban, it wasn't even about beliefs but finance, capitalism etc. Was when I observed the big urban is more of a noise maker. And you find him commendable. hilarious.


I appreciate his obsession with Islam though.

None-Muslims (heart-hardened) are usually incline toward pseudo"Muslims". They love promoting such people. But be gentle with Usermane though.