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Akudaya: Myth or Reality?

What is Akudaya?
It simply means incarnation or reincarnation.

Myth or Reality?
Both

Explain please:
It is a myth because when a person dies he(or she) does not come back to life(world). He(or she) can no longer be seen.
How then is it real. But we hear stories about them. So?. Jinn(Alujonu) at work. They take form of dead people. They could take form of your grandfather that died longtime ago and people who know your grandfather will confirm seeing him. In short, the reality is 'he' is seen. The myth is the person seen is not your real grandfather. You can get deep sense of this in Islam. When someone dies, that's it. The person is dead for real whether natural death or murdered.
Jinns reside in dirty, filthy places, like bathroom, filthy uncompleted building. That's why it's advisable to wear clothe to cover private part when taking shower. Cover yourself with blanket (etc) during intercourse. Don't be scared now. They don't necessarily reside in all dirty bathrooms or places. Jinns are endowed with supernatural perception. They lodge where they can see human but human beings can not see them. They can see you taking shower, having intercourse etc. Most of them are liars. Never take their words seriously. In a nutshell, if you see "Akudaya", a relative, he or she is not your relative so long as the person is dead. Hope this answer your question. See if you can find useful info in this link.
https://www.nairaland.com/209195/islam-exorcism

TheBigUrban2:

Zionism secularised Europe?

Western Civilization is aimed to destroy the religious way of lifE?

You were once believer in God, The Supreme Being. You were not born atheist. You become atheist through influence. In my opinion, atheists are jokes. Deep down somewhere in their heart they know God exists. And I have provided a crash course to test atheists. Load them up on a plane. At cruise 35000 altitude, dive the plane toward the ocean and see their reaction. They would scream Oh God Oh my God. They would never say Oh nothing.

deols: Seen

Reference to the link above ( i dont want to comment there). It's such sorry state. This is where parents have responsibilties. Tv programs, Internet or access to it and all other forms of media must be regulated in homes by parents. Like BigUrban said, i am afraid the next generation of Nigerians will be godless. We see appearance of that in Nigerian movies especially "English" section of so called Nollywood where sacredness is trashed.

Western civilization didnt just happen by accident. It is aimed to destroy religious way of life. EU was once religious before zionism emerged and secularized it. TheBigUrban2 and other so called atheists on NL were at some point believers in God. Most turned atheists btw 1999 and now (period of democracy). In my house, Tv and any forms of media including entertainment (music) are restricted to certain degree. I barely watch tv and i am careful of my net activities.

At this point I am really disappointed at how Christians behave here. I was going to contribute to Op but negative comments spoilt everything. Even if they found anything offensive in the op, there is a way around it by presenting their christianity-science logic to counter. But bringing osama,bh, sisi is uncalled for. They really gone off topic. Some of them dont even read yet they left negative comments. Some said it is too long. Then i wonder how to pass WAEC. This is really a sorry case.

Rilwayne001: It's a horrible idea that God, this paragon of wisdom and knowledge, power, couldn't think of a better way to forgive us our sins than to come down to Earth in his alter ego as his son and have himself hideously tortured and executed so that he
could forgive himself .-Richard Dawkins

maclatunji: Comprehension is a problem with many here. The writer is indeed factual, many people in the western world refuse to believe in God because of how Christians have defined Him which is probably the only concept they know.

Exactly. After i read the Op and then read many contempts by christians i was wondering why they post negatively. They start talking about BH, osama, isis which is 100% contrary to op. I was confused. I thought i clicked on different thread by accident while reading comments. This is so pathetic. I thought christians are smarter. I wonder how these people passed through WAEC. Some dont even read yet left comments. This is such a sorry state of affairs.

Arysexy: Mr mod, I hope before you start ur usual hiding of Christian reactionary comments and banning them, you do the needful about this op and the blasphemy he committed against Christianity. My belief and God is not a myth and I take strong offence against that statement.

Worship ur Allah and allow me worship my God. Why these frequent diatribe on christians by muslims?

I honestly dont undestand what's so offensive in the Op, this has to do with Quran and science. As a matter of fact, after reading contempts on this thread by christians, i had to go back and read op again to see where he blashepmed. I think the last part seems to be the issue but clearly, that's more like quoting reference(s), not his. I dont know why you guys take this so persnal thus derailling the thread. I enjoyed every minute of Op. Please for God's sake think beyond them vs us mentality.
As a matter of fact, the last part says why scientists dont believe in God. Which should be of concern or no concern for muslims and Jews as well. Maybe you need to re-read Op to deduce common sense from this posts. If however you feel offended still we apologise but we see no reason to do so. Sometimes we need to be objective. There are challenges that provoke our belief system. In such a case we need to lower our pride and learn.

DONMAYOR19: Op why saying fingerprint of God? instead of putting it like 'I want to promote islam' my problem with muslim people is that they can't explain anything without trying to paint Christianity black, una no dey tire for hypocrite? My happiness is that as una dey try to promote una religion, una brothers, ISIS, boko, osama boys etc, are everywhere showing to the world the real muslim character. If u like write whatever u like....islam is still sh*t.

I thought Christians are educated and smarter?. Well, for your infomation, in case you didnt read the OP, his essay has nothing to do with religion vs religion. Wise up. This is about Quran's theology on science.

Austindark: maybe am d only one disappointed sha, I was expecting to see the picture of one giant finger......

but seriously d write up long, abi na scrolls una for copy am

is all good tho

, welcome to the world of Islamic theology, religious symbolism.

This frightened me as kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLHeSFiGneE

[size=20pt]BIDA'AH MAN[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1j0LBKkUl4

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onetrack: And if you seek knowledge and come to believe that the Quran is not the word of god and Muhammad was not a prophet?

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onetrack: To borrow from Richard Dawkins, religion teaches people to be satisfied with not understanding the world. This has not been universally true but in many cases people have used religion to stop people from asking too many questions.

I don't agree with this. Maybe partially. I think reverse is the case. I think education means different things to different people. Understanding religion itself is education. I think many tend to think that when they hear the word " education" it automatically gives them sense of "western education". This is wrong. Secular education does not penetrates spiritual insight.
As for saying Islam is not open to education, that's irrelevant. A famous saying is reported in Islam thus:
" Seeking knowledge is obligatory for males and females" Hadith Qudsi
#justsaying#

[size=20pt]Small Little Girl Reacts To Beautiful Azan [/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xjY5RQbLaE

mazaje: [s]So your reason for believing in god is because you are afraid?. . .Pls if you have nothing sensible to say just shut up. . .Your opinion is not needed here if foolishness is all you can display[/s]. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H926sSP-748

@Cloudstar

onetrack: Two times I have been on flights that had to make emergency landings due to problems with the plane (in one case, one of the engines blew out). I did not pray either time; in one of those I was actually reading the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. I kept reading.

Fantasy....story story

DeepSight: Screaming "Oh God" is actually a mere exclamation and means nothing. People who do not believe in Christ use the phrase "Jesus Christ!" as an exclamation all the time. As such your argument does not stand.

However if you simply mean to indicate that in the most extreme of circumstances, supposed atheists will turn to God, then yes, perhaps, for some supposed atheists, you have a point.

You sound confused. Sounds like you suffering from hyponatremia. Just listen to yourself

cloudstar: Empiree



Typical circular Muslim reasoning. You can refer to the Quran as a religious text yet you refuse to use other religious text that predates the Quran. Bros, I never used the Bible or Torah as evidence that the Jews and Israelite's own Palestine. I asked who can lay claim to the land. It was there that you went on your Quran rhetoric and started telling us about the revelation in the Quran. It was at this juncture that I informed you that the Quran can't be used as a historic text since it's account on so many issue is inaccurate. I also emphasized that if you are to use the Quran, then you should also use the Torah and the Bible which predates the Quran several hundreds of years.

Can you tell us the divine revealed Books outside the Quran you are referring to?

Let me break it down for you so you can use your 2nd grade education to understand. I will ask a few questions:

1. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Bible or the Quran?
2. Historically, which comes first i.e. which was revealed or written before the other, the Torah or the Quran?

Your response will clear the fog you are brewing for yourself

Jesus christ! you quoted me yet you dont understand what you quote?. Gosh! For the last time, bring me your religious text to back up Jews' claims. It was you who said "God promised Abraham, Isaac and Jacob". Thats means you should bring forward Divine Book revealed to Abraham(God's mercy upon him) because as far as I know it all started from him. He's known to Jews, Christians and Muslims as "father of faith". Onus is now on you. We muslims have no problem with God's promise to these men.

It's clear from your replies that you didnt watch the videos. I am not using Quran for now. I said bring your Book let's talk. Leave Quran alone. But if you will keep wandering around, i wont reply you anymore. The video by White guy explains it all. And he used Jews and christian Bible. i:e your own Book to break it down. He barely used Quran. You getting on my nerve now.

Okay now guys. I wont like to derail your thread but let me just input this before I commot. So, atheism simply means disbelieve in existence of God or deity according to mazaje and probably that's official definition of it. Good enough.

Now guys, including urban2 read this. Very soon I will be going for vacation in carrebean Island of Trinidad. I honestly dont mind inviting you guys and i will be responsible for costs. The flight will take us some hours to get there. I will come back to this thread a month before my vacation so that we could get ready. This is going to be private jet okay?.

However, when we board the plane, I have to instruct our pilot to cruise at 35,000 altitude over atlantic ocean. When we get to that altitude, I will instruct him to put the jet to dive (that's, crash it in the ocean). What will be your reaction at that point?. Sincere answer please.

CASE STUDY: I sponsored 2 atheists on the same trip 9 yrs ago. When we reach 30000 above sea level, pilot dived the jet to the ocean. These atheists guys sat not far from me.They notice something's wrong with the aircraft and looked through the window. What they saw was terrible. They started crying and creaming "oh God , Oh God Oh God" then i was wondering why they didnt shout "Oh nothing Oh science, Oh nothing, Oh science" ?. I was suprized. So pilot recorved from dive and everything was fine. Then i was like guys what just happened?. They said we thought something happed to the plane but thank "God" we are saved. I said oh I'd thought you guys dont believe in God?. They smiled.

So my question to you guys is dont you think you are deceving yourselves when you said you dont believe in God?. It doesnt matter what your concept of God is. At least for now God being Supreme Being. In other to proof this theory i just gave you, i will post a video of aircraft scheduled for testing with Atheists on board. Then, aircraft develpoed tech problems unknown to them and dived into the ocean. They screamed Oh God Oh God. I was wondering why they didnt say "Oh nothing", Oh science"

So guys, do you want me to invite you to Trinidad with condition attached (to dive the plane toward the ocean)?.

@ CloudStar, I am not impressed with balderdash wrote up there. It is simple. Bring your religious texts and come forward. Period. You do not have any historical facts other than Jewish and Christian Bibles bcuz you mentioned Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Arabs and Muslims have no problems with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (May God's peace and Blessing be upon them). Anything else you said are irrelevant to this subject. We believe in Divine revealed Books prior to Quran. So bring them forward. If not, I wont reply you. You just wallowing around like cyclone.

You dont want to cite religious texts yet you mentioned 3 prophets?. You think the Land was free. If Holy Land has no religion connotation historically attached with it I doubt christians would be supporting these murderers by now. And by our secular law, anyone who aids criminals is equally guilty. Stop talking and come forward with your religious texts. Period

Op, are you atheist?. If so, what exactly is your official definition of atheism?

cloudstar: Empiree
If you had given a reference or a link to your claim above, I would have taken you seriously

@ blue quote, I would imagine you seeking references for covenants, Pharaoh's body preservation, Israelite Jews disobedient to God, right?. Well, pls do take your time to watch the videos in full before you reply so that you can object intelligently, if any. Fair enough?

Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbggjYExIYE

Pharaoh's body preserved according to Qur'an, (Jews and Christians doubt this). Watch....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqtpj7EWaxk

Return Of Jesus in Islam(Sheikh Imran Hosein) 1hr video (the return of Jesus(as), his link with modern day Israel etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRP2MV6eYIU&index=195&list=FL0GR3AOFGVPiVLu3QxCro8A
This 1hr lecture most likely answers your concern or may enlightens you. Take your time and watch. I watched it 10yrs ago.

Who Owns Holy Land, JEWS or MUSLIMS? (this is 47mins video)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1lPBc-UMI&list=UUiVusFnWKEZ1kHyTy_9jXcw

Please understand that I am personally not interested in tribes who ones lived on the Land. I believe the Land has always been conditioned for inhabitants. Anytime the people violated the conditions, God threw them out. So from religion point of view is the easiest way to get clear picture. The reason Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs) are concerned about the affairs of the Palestinians or Holy Land is because of spiritual connection NOT just the physical land as in worldly material which is what Israel wants or desires. Yes, the Land has God-given worldly materials underneath the earth including Gaza. Israel knows that.
So I am not interested in this or that ethnic groups who lived there thousands of years. That's irrelevant. Even from Bible account, old Israelite-Jews were rescued from slavery and persecution from Pharaoh and brought to the Holy Land by Musa (as). This indicates that they did not own the Land either.

Finally, let me call your attention to the fact that i said in my earlier post that it's possible Israel will dramatically expands its territory (by massacring Palestinians or consuming them militarily and imprisoning military age men) because it claims Holy Land extends from river Nile to Euphrates. This can only mean one thing, economy and military of Israel dominion over the Arabs. But this will eventually end. You know why? because modern day Israel is not founded on foundation of faith that resembles King David and King Solomon(as). Only religion of Abraham will survive in the Land (Islam). This is hinted in Qur'an (Chapter 21:105).

"And We have already written Psalms [in the book of David] after the [previous] mention that My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth"

Similarly mentioned in the Bible...Matthew 5:5 New International Version (NIV)

"Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth".

What's meek?, Who are obedient to God and hold on to His covenants? Isn't the Muslims (Arabs and non-Arabs). Or you think it's Israel which restricted its religion to the Jews ethnically?. The Israel that is bombing innocent men, women and children and lying about it?. Same people who killed God's prophets in the past attempted to kill Jesus(as)?. This is not faith and righteousness, is it?

The point is Holy Land belongs Muslims. That is, anyone who embraces Islam is entitled whether you are White, Black, Yellow or whatever nationality you are. Islam does not recognize "chosen people" as in nationality which is what Judaism is about. Those periods are over. What's recognized is "chosen Ummah" i:e Muslims Nation(community) without racial discrimination. Geographically, it's understood that Arab-Palestine who are majority Muslims, ethnically live there fulfilling the conditions since old Jerusalem was destroyed. It doesn't mean Jews and Christians can't live there. They can but they cant claim it as their own (authority). They have lost the contract(covenants).

Finally, I do not want to be hard on you or any non-Muslims. We don't know perhaps you might have change of heart and recognize oppression in the Holy Land. You have a good day.

@ LagosShia, that's why they have to be ignored in most cases. They troll threads open by Muslims or where many Muslims post. Some of them hide their faith and go by "atheist". My last post was not even directed at him. I don't know why reply he replied me. Anyways, I will post video later for him. he seems to be asking for link to proof something. But I'm not interested in nonsense he replied me.

O ga o. this fella really confused. He needs Islamic education all over again. he doesn't make any point. he needs a Muslim kids to teach him everything all over again.

@LagosShia, the thing is these folks are jealous. They know they going to hell so they want to take muslims down there with them. Christians, especially Nigerian ones can support anything against Muslims. They can support devil against Muslims. They dont care. They are misguided folks. They are very tricky.

For instance, if you quote those violent verses from Old T, they tend to distance themselves. They would tell you it's for the Jews. Yet, they would quote the same Old T. to support the Jews claiming it's what Bible says. They play Cat/Mouse spooky game.

Here is the thing though. You really break it down nice. It's up to them to comprehend it or not. Just that Muslims have to accept fate. This event didnt just happen by accident. Jews ultimate returns to the Holy Land is predicted in the Quran. But their return does not mean "rightful owner". According to Quran their return will constitutes their final ruin. It says in sura Isra (ch.17) that if they return with their wickedness, God will also return punishement. Isnt exacty what they doing now?. They have violated the conditions(covenants) again. That's, righteous conduct(obedient to God) and Faith in God. My question to Chrstian supporters is, is modern Israel built on foundation of faith?., Are they holdiing on to Abraham's(as) legacy?. The answer is capital NO.

On the other hand, it's important for muslims to note that zionists movement did not emerge by accident. While Fir'aun (Pharaoh) was drowning and he declared faith in God, God said to him that now you believe but a while ago you were adamant, rebellious and waging war in rejection of faith-Sura 10:90-92- God said to him(Pharaoh) "today We will preserve your physical body that you may be a sign (Last Age) for the people at later time(and behave like you). But most mankind are heedless of God's Signs. Pharaoh body was discovered in 1898 in the Red Sea. Zionists also established around the same time (late 19th century). Their primary goal was to liberate Holy Land for the Jews from Ottoman Empire. Isnt any wonder there are christian zionists supporting this movement to bring the Jews back to the Holy Land disregarding preconditions mentioned by God in both Bible and Quran. They lie that they dont have to be righteous to own the Land because they are "stiff-neck" people. This claim contradicts God's covenants. They changed word of God.
Those jews and christians who form zionists alliance are essentially godless. Muslims are forbidden from making friendly ties with them, Sura Maida ayah 51. Make no mistake of saying the verse is talking about all Jews and all christians. No. Only those zionists alliance and their supporters like Cloudstar. Make no mistake. Israel does not want two-state solution. All it wants is entire Land from river Nile to Euphrates. Perhaps, that should give us clear picture of zionists conspiracies in Iraq (the so called caliphate) and in Egypt (defiantly serving zionists' interest). Militants may not survive. Eventually they will be wiped out like plague. Gaza will be consumed by Israel. My analysis is that i think militants in Gaza would have to drop weapons and bow to Israel, or refuse to bow and world will witness genocide. And nothing, absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. Israel wants to rule the world. I think it was 2011 UN meeting where Nata gave conditions for two-state. I remember Israel said that in order for two state to work, Palestinians will not control their own airspace, their airport will be managed by Israel, they will have no military. So if they cant independently control their own things, how's that independent Palestine. Joke. There is a saying by Israel and her supporters. "A armed (military) Israel is peaceful but armed Palestine poses danger to the region". How's that equality?.

Neigboring Arab countries will have to open their hands to Palestinians as refugees. Israel will flourish like sunshine. And Chrisitan world will say here we go this is God chosen country. That will be their claim to the truth. What they dont know however is that this flourishment is short-lived. Hell is coming shortly after. This analysis is base on hadith where Prophet had a terrible dream that Arab will be destroyed if scum poeple prevail. Arent scums prevailing now?.
Also this analysis is base on Quran. it says that when the land(Holy Land) was destroyed (2nd time by Romans) the people of the Land would not be able to return to reclaim it as their own until Yajuj and Majuj are released Sura Ambiya aya 95-96. The implication is that Yajuj wa Majuj are responsible for bringing Jews back to the Holy Land. Interesting! could it be that Yajuj wa majuj are murderous zionists?. This analysis is eschatology. And God knows best.

http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/BintAmeer/pptfiron

Anyways, LagosShia, i think you should just ignore from these folks bcus back n fourth arguments dont end. I beg of you anyone pls dont quote me. Thanks

Macelliot: They have nothing to do with Islam, but they have been beheading the Christians in Iraq and telling the Christians to either pay tax, leave, convert to Islam or Die which was barred in a loud speaker in Mosul City Mosques....
Hmm?

your questions should be directed to their Judeo-Christian Zionists sponsors who wrote the scripts. Not me. thanks

Macelliot: Sounds funny...
Jerusalem is the chosen city not mecca and medina...
3rd holiest according to Islam...
You said, "according to Islam!!!"
Is it not the same Islam that all babaric, inhuman terrorists use as cover... They same might apply to the anti-CHRIST, because He will be a terrorist just like ISIS, Talliban, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabab, Hezbollah, Hamas, Boko-haram e.t.c....
I am sorry to say this, Islam breeds terrorism...
Dajjal will hide under the cover of Islam.....

Please, I have no time for this. Seek knowledge then come back to me. You know who funds and supplies Isis. They and their sponsors have nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. Get a life

[quote author=Macelliot]The old testament is part of the bible, but truely, it was refering to the Jews and part of the holy Torah and there was nothing like Christians then.

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Why do the Arabs hate the Jews to the extent that they wants the Jews to extinct?
Who is the anti-CHRIST
The Jews is up to only about 2% of the entirely Arab population....
Dajjal will gather the nation of Gog & Magog as numerous as the sand on the seasore to wage war against God chosen City(Jerusalem)...
I think the Jews will believe in Jesus in His second coming...
I don't know why the Arabs hates the Jews so much....
Dajjal cannot gather the Jews because the Jewish population is infinitesimal to the numerous Arab population...

Keep dreaming. I hope you realise Jerusalem is the 3rd holiest of Islam. Of course Jews will whether they like it or not believe in Jesus, the true Messiah but Quran goes further to say that their(Jews) faith in him when he returns will be evidence against them and they going to hell fire. Now, is Quran talking about all Jews?. Absolutely not. Only talking about oppressors not neutral Jews or those muslim supporters.

You chrisitans really soound confused as to Old T. Onus on you

In addition to Jizya literally tax, when compared to secular Western system, say for instance I live in Darul-islam and you live in secular West. You owe your govt $30,000 in taxes for previous year, You are expected to pay everything in full on or before April 15 of the following year. They know very well that most can not afford to pay it off just like that. So they "work" with you by making payment arrangement for your convenience. $30k may be spread for 12 months period. During this period, your arrears doesn't hold. Interests accrue every month for 12 months depending on interest rate. You may end up paying $35000+plus interest within 12 months.

But in Darul-Islam, need I not tell you riba (interest) is simply forbidden. So I pay my 30,000 Durham for 12 months. No interest accrue.


This is Uncle Sam

Okay now. Let me be clear here. I am not qualified on this issue. Any opinion expressed here is absolutely mine. I am still reviewing ijma on this. However, let me suggest to you that in Shariah, Jizya talking about in Sura 9 vs 29, i believe that it's only imposed on non-Muslim combatants (hostile enemies) in Islam territory. I don't believe that this Jizya extends to other non-Muslims (average ones). But if Jizya is merely translated to mean "tax" on non-Muslims, it implies that it's a form of tax equivalent to that of the secular West. You should perhaps agree with me that non-Muslims in Darul-islam have to be responsible for some sort of taxation but this tax has nothing to do with keeping their religion.

When i was listening to a Sheik on this issue (not exclusively about jizya). He simply said non-Muslims may live in peace and protection in Darul-islam. He made no mentioned of imposing tax to keep faith.

There are 3 types of non-Muslims mentioned in the Qur'an (sura 60 ayat 8-10)

1 and 2- Non hostile, non combatants and can be neutral. They can support Islam's cause voluntarily or not etc
3- this is the one waging war on Darul-islam and its territory. Therefore, hadith is most likely talking about this one being imposed jizya on.

I have to review types of Jizya. I studied this before but forgot now. But i do know that Jizya has always been literally translated as tax. So in Sura 60 ayat 8-9 talking about different types of non-Muslims that Muslims can be friends with. What sense does it make to impose jizya on them in order to keep their religion?. Makes no sense. And these are the types of non-Muslims in Jerusalem under Islam rule before Zionism arrived. Get the picture?

On secularism, even though their tax has nothing to do with religion, may i suggest to you that it's actually. They may not recognize religion (rituals) in the constitution but they actually have "religion" (uncle Sam). If you do not pay uncle Sam, they will pick up your behind and sits it in jail (if you are citizen). If you are lawful Resident, your chance of becoming citizen is limited until you clear your taxes or make arrangement. If you fail to do any of these (i:e the condition of being Resident in the country), they will pick you up and dump you in solitary cell for deportation unless you have good attorney to work things out before time runs out. They dont play with it. You may disagree this is not religion but hey, the way you think of jizya being imposed on non-Muslims to keep their religion, same applies here. Believe it or not. They are secular and it's foolish to think they would actually mention religion in this case. But technically it's.

Tax Money: Good or Bad?. In secular West taxes collected by treasury go into building and fixing schools, roads, hospitals, subsidies, funds elderly, disabled, low income earners, police, academics etc. Are these not good stuff?. Don't they have reasons to collect these taxes?. This is what makes country great. So tell me why they shouldn't deport or jail someone for not complying?. This is the same reason in Darul-Islam, I am 100% sure that jizya paid by non Muslims and zakat paid by Muslims in Darul-Islam are used for the above mentions amenities as well. So why would Islamic govt in Darul-Islam (not isis) not be responsible for imposing payment of Jizya (def. above) and zakat?. Do you have any objection here?.

The reason this tenet (zakat) of Islam is reduced to individual right is because there is no Islamic Caliphate in the world today. Caliphate enforces this. If it's enforced, the money collected is used for similarities mentioned above including funding widows, orphans etc.

Now let me advise you, i don't think it makes any sense whatsoever to keep bullying Muslims on NL. It's not fair. Your extreme prejudice has turned you to something else. You claimed you ex-orthodox whatever that means. And then you made 90 degrees U-turn. Thats just ridiculous. But you can be whatever you want. That's your prerogative.

Finally, i think you need to press "reset button" in your head. I am beginning to understand your point. When Baqir told me you aren't Muslim i wasn't too sure base on your activities. And the reason i came to this thread is to further understand you. Now i get to know 80% of you now. It appears that 5 pillars are voluntary to you, isn't?. You really need to go back to madrasa. If you cant understand that. And who are you to "reform" Islam and Muslims?. I get the reason they kinda isolate you now. I failed to be active on this site until late last yr. Maybe I should have knew a lot about you then. I am pleading to you to stop nonsense you keep writing. You can mislead folks. I guess you should open a thread on 5 pillars and express your stand on it. I don't have time to open anything like that.. Open it let's hear your views. You see, Usermane is the man that opens threads and talk to people especially non-Muslims. But Usermane is a different guy when he talks to Empiree. Got my point?.

-walaikum Salam

@spyder, how do you make it out when selecting tiles of your choice?. Don't you get confused looking at them?