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Book 026, Number 5380: Anas b. Malik reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: When the People of the Book offer you salutations, you should say: The same to you. Book 026, Number 5381: Anas reported that the Companions of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to him: The People. of the Book offer us salutations (by saying as-Salamu- 'Alaikum). How should we reciprocate them? Thereupon he said: Say: Wa 'Alaikum (and upon you too). Book 026, Number 5374: Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The rider should first greet the pedestrian, and the pedestrian the one who is seated and a small group should greet a larger group (with as-Salam-u-'Alaikum). Book 026, Number 5384: 'A'isha reported that a group of Jews came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and sought his audience and said: As-Sam-u-'Alaikum. A'isha said in response: As-Sim-u-'Alaikum (death be upon you) and curse also, whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: 'A'isha, verily Allah loes kindness in every matter. She said: Did you bear what they said? Thereupon he said: Did you not hear that I said (to them): Wa 'Alaikum. May God help us from someone claiming to know Quran alone. Laziness to do what is right. Whether the hadith he quoted above is authentic, good, weak or bogus, what's important is almost all Ahadith as well as verses of Qur'an are historically connected. Ulama of the past worked hard on what I termed System of Meaning which I have been ringing in his ears over and again. May Allah deliver him from ignorance. A respected Muslim man once said that Prophet's(saw) scribes would write anything they hear him said in context or outside of it. They would just write (like secretary writes everything he/she hears). Whether it makes sense or not. Unfortunately many of this uncomfortable moments can no longer be ignored nor taken off. Islam is sincere. Muslims are sincere the best way they can. But for a lone wolf on NL to quote a verse of Quran or hadith to justify his desire is foolishness. The same thing isis are doing, quoting certain verses to justify their evil intention. So this lone wolf Quranite on NL is a guilty extremist as much as those "jihacrazies", the vagabonds. He's a semi-brand of khawarij as well. What he thinks is irrelevant. Rather, muslims act upon what is directed in Shari'ah. |
AlBaqir: Ma sha Allah dear brother. Take your time. May Allah give us taofiq for much understanding.Yes, ongoing. Thanks |
usermane: In a nutshell, the problem with many of us muslim is double thinking.U getting there brother |
LordReed: No I am not, doesn't stop me from learning does it?No, it doesn't. Nice try. Keep it up. |
AbdulSleek:you will become muslim inshAllah |
i weep for africa. n$igg&as never learn. In 2014 u still hold white folks at high esteem like dey are some gods. Dont get me wrong. i am not saying u should hate anybody. But guess what this is c&#i%a at work. whatz the mission of these guys?. ever wonder white folks being parading 9ja and african lately?. africa in hot soup. shine ur eyes well well |
U bore me. Talking like this makes me feel like you opened ths thread to make jest. Well, I am not going to engage you on this subject. This is ur homework. I have been studying eschatology for 8yrs now. A brief answer to ur question makes nosense. Rather, you need to study it. Thats how it work. So onus on you. I am not going to enage you on this until you get serious. cloudstar: |
okay. thanks for your concern. I hesitated to respond to you cus your face is not familiar in this section. I tried to split and understand before answering his question. He doesnt seem to be muslim the way he asked. i guess he's studying at the moment. I dont know what u meant by both here. His question is a little tricky thats why i rephrased it to him but looks like he doesnt get it. But Tbaba answers further. Now can u ask ur question let's see?. Thanks. texanomaly: I'm just saying. I don't get you. You are basically saying both is correct. |
![]() texanomaly: This makes it simple how? |
LordReed: OK so it was not a book delivered by Jibril rather it was revealed then written. Cleared.Are you muslim? |
sino: LOL, I think he has more, i wonder how many e-mails he has, and how he keeps up with all the usernames... it's really CRAZY!Unbelievable! he must be a big clown. No wonder he always asks stupid questions. He lives in UK he said. Maybe that's not even true. |
tbaba12345: Abdulsleek, cheers, bigurban, logicboy, halalmac etcYou mean TheBigUrban2 is the same guy behind all these usernames?. That's crazy. What is he thinking?. |
Let's keep it simple. LordReed: Was the Qur'an delivered to the Prophet by an angel |
The ayat vehemently insists that the person who does not accept the verdicts of the Holy Prophet cannot be held to be a believer. This ayat gives the Holy Prophet not only the authority of a judge, but also confers upon him the authority to make laws, as binding on the Muslims as the divine laws. Finally, one would notice that Quranists do not use or love to use Semitic language of Qur'an. They dislike to use Allah and instead they prefer the created english word "God" as a substitute. They (Quranists) called Muslims polytheists. In hadith, the prophet(saw) said never to accuse another muslim of being a kafir, that whosoever accuses another of being a kafir, if it is the truth, then nothing will happen to him, but if it is false, then the accuser will be the one who would become a kafir. One would also notice that they(Quranists) do not send salam (blessing) on the noble Prophet Muhammad (saw) or any Prophets and messangers of Allah. I asked Quranist on Facebook 5yrs ago why he doesnt send blessing on the Prophet and why he doesnt use prefix, the adjective anytime he mentions Prophets' names?. He said it's not in Qur'an. Those people have strange view of Islam in modern time. I personally dont think they are followers of Quran, hence, it's incorrect to call them Quranite in my view. However, it's understandable in order to differentiate them from body of Ummah. Should They Be Called Muslims? Well, this is matter better left for Sheik. Quranist I met on Facebook yrs ago calls himself Muslim. But the one we have here on Nairaland reject Muslim tag. I say to him (becareful what you wish for). I personally believe they are Muslims but with greater bi'dah(innovation). |
It will be interesting here to cite a wise answer of 'Abdullâh ibn Mas'ûd, the blessed companion of the Holy Prophet, which he gave to a woman. A woman from the tribe of Asad came to 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ûd and said, "I have come to know that you hold such and such things as prohibited. I have gone through the whole Book of Allâh, but never found any such prohibition in it." 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ûd replied, "Had you read the Book you would have found it. Allâh Almighty says: "Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, refrain from it." (59:7). (Ibn Mâjah) By this answer 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ûd pointed out that this ayat is so comprehensive that it embodies all the orders and prohibitions of the Holy Prophet and since the questioned prohibitions are enforced by the Holy Prophet they form part of this ayat, though indirectly. The Holy Qur'ân says: "But no, by your Lord, they shall not be (deemed to be) believers unless they accept you as judge in their disputes, then find in their hearts no adayat feeling against what you decided, but surrender to it in complete submission". (4:65) |
The emphasized words in this ayat signify that one of the functions of the Holy Prophet is "to make lawful the good things and make unlawful the impure things." "Fight those who do not believe in Allâh and the Hereafter and do not hold unlawful what Allâh and His Messenger have made unlawful". (9:29) The underlined words signify that it is necessary to "hold unlawful what Allâh and His Messenger made unlawful," and that the authority making something unlawful is not restricted to Allâh Almighty. The Holy Prophet can also, by the will of Allâh, exercise this authority. The Holy Qur'ân says: "No believer, neither man nor woman, has a right, when Allâh and His Messenger decide a matter, to have a choice in their matter in issue. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger has gone astray into manifest error". (33:36) Here, the decisions of Allâh and the Messenger both have been declared binding on the believers. It is thus clear that the Holy Prophet has the legal authority to deliver decisions in the collective and individual affairs of the believers who are bound to surrender to those decisions. The Holy Qur'ân says: "Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatever he forbids you, refrain from it". (59:7) |
The Scope of the Prophetic Authority: The Holy Qur'ân has not only stressed upon the "obedience of the Messenger" as a general rule or principle. It has also highlighted the different shades of authority in order to explain the scope of his obedience, and the various spheres where it is to be applied. The Prophet's Authority to Make Laws: "And My mercy embraces all things. So I shall prescribe it for those who fear Allâh and pay zakâh (obligatory alms) and those who have faith in Our signs; those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet whom they find written down in the Torah and the Injîl, and who bids them to the Fair and forbids them the Unfair, and makes lawful for them the good things, and makes unlawful for them the impure things, and relieves them of their burdens and of the shackles that were upon them. So, those who believe in him, and honour him, and help him, and follow the light that has been sent down with him- they are the ones who acquire success". (7:156-157) |
One can also challenge the Quranites to show where the Qur'an says how many raka's we must pray for each prayer. They won't be able to do so. Some will desperately reply back that the numbers of raka'ts are not important. These kind of silly replies are not even worth responding back to. It's obvious that you have trapped them. At this point, it's safe to say Quranists must accept the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessing be upon him). Quranists claim they do not reject Prophet Muhammad(saw) yet they reject obligatory practices in his Sunnah. There are many verses in the Qur'an commanding muslims to follow and obey the Messanger(Muhammad). These are few of them: 33:71....And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement. 47:33. O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)... 48:17. ...And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), He will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow (Paradise)... 59:7....And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it)... 64:12. Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)... |
God is telling the people to make remembrance (dhikr) of Him the way He taught them which they did not know before. Salat (Prayer) is a form of remembrance: Surah 20:14 Indeed, I am the One _ Allah! There is no god except Me! So obey Me and establish the 'salat' (prayers) to remember (li dhikr) Me. So we are to pray to Allah the way He taught us. But note that Allah says in the end of Surah 2:239 that this way was not known to the Muslims at that time. If the tradition of prayer was passed down from Abraham's time then the Muslims would have known how to perform it. However, Allah is saying here that they did not know. So surely they must have been taught, but by whom? Well the verse says that Allah had taught them, but how did Allah teach them? Did He teach them in the Qur'an? I say that He didn't in the Qur'an and I challenge anyone to use the Qur'an alone to show me how it teaches us to pray the way Muslims pray today. Don't show me verses where the Qur'an says that we should bow down and prostrate. No, show me where the Quran says WHEN we should prostrate and bow down (the order) and what we should say in each position. It is impossible and no one can show us this. We can only conclude that the method of prayer that we implement today as Muslims came from another source besides the Qur'an and that is the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Allah taught us how to pray by using the Prophet (peace be upon him) to show us. The Qur'an says that Allah revealed the Quran to us, but then in another verse it says that the Holy Spirit (Gabriel) sent the Qur'an down to us. Is this a contradiction? No, it's God sending us the Qur'an down but through the agency of the Angel Gabriel. Similarly it is Allah teaching us how to pray, but through the agency of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). |
How do you know how to pray using the Quran alone? The Quranites will answer back by saying that prayer has been sanctioned before and that the Prophets that came before the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) used to pray. They say that this also applies to Abraham and that the method of prayer has been passed down unto the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This weak argument can be refuted in many different ways. First, challenge them to show you only one verse from the Qu'ran that says that the method of prayer was passed down from Abraham (peace be upon him) to Muhammad (peace be upon him). Secondly, challenge them to prove from the Qu'ran alone that the way the Prophets before the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him) prayed is the same way as we pray today. Just because prayer was sanctioned for them, that doesn't mean it was the same method of prayer. Thirdly, expose their inconsistencies and hypocrisy. They criticize Bukhari for collecting narrations 200 years after the Prophet's (peace be upon him) death but have no problem accepting methods of prayer being passed down from Abraham to the last Prophet while there is a time span of more than a thousand years between them! They claim that Allah did not promise to preserve the hadith, so challenge them back and ask them to show you where Allah promised to preserve the method of prayer passed down from Abraham to Muhammad (peace be upon them both). Fourthly, the Quran condemns the method of prayer that was present in Mecca before Allah revealed the method of prayer to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him): Surah 8:35 Their prayer at the House (of God) is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands: (Its only answer can be), "Taste ye the penalty because ye blasphemed." So if the method of prayer was passed down, then surely people would have been practicing it. Obviously, Muslim dont clap or whistle in Salat. Fifthly, God says in the Qur'an... Surah 2:239 (During war and emergency) if you (are in a state of) fear, then (perform the 'salat') standing up, (walking), or on horseback. Then, as soon as you have peace, remember Allah in the manner He has taught you which you (previously) did not know. |
Dr. Ahmad Shafaat says... Since the companions of the Prophet played a decisive part in the transmission of the Sunnah and Hadith, it seems fitting to examine what the Qur'an has to say about their role. In this connection the most relevant Qur'anic passages are those where the companions or the Muslims generally are described as the best community or witnesses over humanity: You are the best community raised for humanity; you enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in God (3:110). Thus We have appointed you a community of the middle (wasat) that you may be witnesses over ('ala) humanity and the Messenger may be a witness over you. And We did not make the qiblah which you (O Prophet) used to turn to except (a means) to distinguish him who follows the Messenger from him who turns back from his heels, and this was surely hard except for those whom God has guided aright. God was not going to make your faith fruitless. For, most surely God is affectionate and merciful to humanity (2:143). And strive in the way of God as is his due. He has chosen you and has not laid upon you in religion any hardship, the religion of your father Abraham. He has named you Muslims before and in this (Qur'an) that the Messenger may be a witness (shahid) over you and you may be witnesses over humanity. So establish regular prayer and practice regular charity and hold fast by God. He is your protecting friend, and what a protector and what a helper (22:78). O Prophet! We have sent you as a witness (shahid) and a bringer of good tidings and a warner (33:45). |
If we are expected to believe that ALL the Muslims could have corrupted Islam by introducing the Hadith then to maintain consistency we must also conclude that it was very likely for them to have corrupted the Qur'an as well. The Hadith rejecter will respond back by saying that Allah promised to preserve the Qur'an (Surah 15:9) but not the hadith. However, this is circular reasoning. The Hadith rejecter is basically saying "The only evidence that the Qur'an is preserved is that the Qur'an says so." No objective person will take such an answer seriously. The hadith rejecter might also respond back by saying that there were early sects such as the Mu'tazilites that rejected hadith. However, the Mu'tazilites did not reject all hadith, they only rejected AHAD hadith. So the argument still stands that there were no early Muslims that practiced this corrupted understanding of Islam taught by the Quranites. If we want to go to heaven we have to be like those people whom God promised heaven to in Surah 9, verse 100 and they sure were not hadith rejecters. |
Who Are Quranites/Quranists? Quranism (Arabic: قرآنيون Qurʾāniyūn) is an Islamic movement that holds the Qur'an to be the only authentic source of Islamic faith. Quranists generally reject, therefore, the religious authority of hadith, Sunnah, and reject traditional Sharia Law. This is in contrast to the Sunni, Shia and Ibadi doctrines, which consider hadith essential for Islamic faith. Bassam Zawadi says: "Why don't we have any record of early Muslims completely rejecting hadith? The hadith rejecter might argue back by saying "we don't blindly follow people; you are committing the appeal to tradition fallacy". However, you answer back that Allah says in the Quran... Surah 9:100 The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well- pleased is God with them, as are they with Him: for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever: that is the supreme felicity. Mohsin Khan Translation And the foremost to embrace Islam of the Muhajirun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madinah) and the Ansar (the citizens of Al-Madinah who helped and gave aid to the Muhajirun ) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success. In this verse, Allah is saying that the Muhajirin (those who migrated from Mecca to Medina) and the Ansar (the people of Medina) and those righteous people that came after them have been promised heaven. Now, how can Allah promise heaven to these people when they are the very same ones who transmitted the hadith to us? As a matter of fact they are the same people that passed the Qur'an down to us. The Quran is passed on to us by "Mutawattir" narrations. Mutawattir narrations are narrations that have been transmitted by so many people that it would be impossible for all of the transmitters to fabricate such a narration. However, we have an enormous amount of Mutawattir hadith. There is a list of Mutawatir hadith http://hadith.al-islam.com/bayan/Index.asp?Lang=ENG&Type=3 that teach things that are not taught in the Quran. How can you reject their authenticity with no objective evidence? |
LordReed: I just read something that conflicts with what I have heard about the Quran. I have often heard that the Quran was handed to Prophet Muhammad by Angel Gabriel but I read today from an English translation of the Quran that the Prophet dictated the revelations to scribes. I want to know which is the correct form of the Qur'an's delivery.Looks like you saying 2 different things here. Are you saying Angel "handed" Qur'an to the Prophet(saw) or that Prophet(saw) dictated to his companions (scribes)?. Let's keep it simple, are you talking about revelation to the prophet? |
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cloudstar: Okay, can you use Eschatology to answer the question I asked. Most importantly, we have to refer back to the Quran and Hadiths for historical referencesThat's your homework. I will not answer this on internet. I'm sorry. Besides, it's a very complex subject. You need to study from the scratch. That's why it's your homework. |
usermane: And again, my post got deleted by the mods for no genuine reason and guess what? I see weakness.You can post anything you want really; but i tell you, this subject is not your area. The person you quoted up there only said what he thought was right. Where they studied is really irrelevant to subject of Islamic eschatology and epistemology position in this Last Age. ilm Akhir zaman, fact. There are approximately 100 Americans and 500 UK citizens who joined the vagabond. Did they also study in the same school with those crazies?. |
cloudstar: So, we have to study the eschatology and not the Quran/Hadith to answer the ISIL/ISIS question?Let me help you a little bit. Eschatology is derived from both Qur'an and Hadith then coupled with current political, economy and social events in our world. Like saying you should study marriage (in Islam) |
cloudstar: I didn't bash anyone, I asked a simple question. You didn't provide any answer to the question I asked. How do we determine if something is Islamic or if it's not. How do we determine if someone is a Muslim or if they are not.No, i wasnt referring to you personally. I only used it to describe those bashing islam for no reason. As for your question, again, pls you need to study eschatology |
See if you can study a bit of Islamic eschatology. You may be able to get clear picture. Jewish, Christian and Islamic eschatology have a lot in common but differ as well. From eschatology perceptive, you may be able to see Islam from different view. This is better than bashing Islam and Muslims. That's irrelevant. However, this subject requires your "internal eyes" for proper understanding. Believe it or not, what's happening is by divine plan. But they plan and God (also) plan. God's plan's will prevail. cloudstar: How did you determine that the group are not Islamic? |
Sissie: They are independent of each other, use only one procedure at a time.Beautiful ![]() |
The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to that of man and are invincible to human eyes in their normal state. The Arabic word for Jinn comes from the verb "Janna" which means to hide. Consequently, the embryo hidden in the womb is called a Janeen and the heart hidden in the chest is called Janaan.Dr. Bilal Philips "....angels stern and severe, who do not disobey Allah in what He orders them, but do whatever they are commanded." Surah At-Tahreem 66:6) |
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. So it's a home-work to determine is ISIL/ISIS is an Islamic group? It's apparent you don't have anything to contribute
I don't understand.
