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usermane: No, i should be ashamed that muslims prefer the law of tampered scriptures of those whom they have been warned about to their own scripture.[3:100, ]
Six times, stoning was mentioned in the Qur'an, in all cases, it is disbelievers that punish with stoning[11:91, 18:20, 19:46, 26:116, 36:18, 44:20].



Who told you Muhammad who was ordered to rule with the Qur'an and always wait for God 's judgement picked up a law from an adulterated scripture without God 's order?[6:51]

@underlined, did you recall where the Jews tried to stone an adulterer but were stopped by Jesus in the New Testament?



Hmm... Stoning had been a pagan practice long before the Torah. The Jews stoned adulterers. The Church stoned adulterers till the renaissance. And you want to tell us that enforcing stoning of adulterers showed the Jews that he was a Prophet?

TheBigUrban2: I studied islam.

AlBaqir: ـ رسولُ اللهِ‏ِ (صَلَّيَ اللهُ عَلَيهِ وَ آلِهِ) : الإسلامُ حُسنُ الخُلقِ.

The Prophet (SAWA) said, ‘Islam is to be good-natured .’[Kanz al-`Ummal, no. 5225]

usermane: @Empiree, if you conclude that i rejected hadith based on the number of hate, violent or shameful reports i find therein, then you 've jumped off the gun. There are too many unresolved issues with hadith that i can't begin to mention here.

Then, return to the mainstream? I guess you are trying to say "unite". My friend, there is no realism in that. If i decide to adopt your stance today, i 'll endanger myself. People like you have no say in the mainstream, you are considered weak. The extremists decide everything in orthodox Islam. There are stories of muslims like you. They all thought it was possible to reject one or two things while remaining "mainstream", what were their end? You can google Salman Taseer.

Hkana, i 'll be back.

hotmas911: Ek'aale oo!

usermane: See Empiree,

Lastly, if you for a second think that people like you who advocate death for apostacy, stoning of adulterers, or [b]offensive Jihad against "kafir" nations to install sharia; [/b]should be the ones to silence us, then fare well.

usermane: See Empiree, i gave up on you yesterday because you don't seem to read between lines.

I read you loud and clear my friend. Yes, give up on me but I wont give up on you until you return to us No offense.

truthman2012: Hi guys.

Just passing-by.

According to Tbaba, Adam was a great giant in Paradise but became short when he came to the earth. Right?
Was he created in Paradise first before he was taken or walked to the earth?
Is everybody in Paradise 90 ft tall?
How tall was the prophet when he was there in one-night?
Do people go to Paradise with physical body or is it the spirit that is that tall?

usermane: If i ever stated that i wasn't a muslim, it was simply a move to dissociate myself from "muslims"

usermane: ^^^^
So long, Empiree. So long.

usermane: Adultery, theft and murder are acts that directly hurt another party and for the sake of Justice, the Qur'an explicitly stated their penalties thereby giving the state the role of punishing offenders. That goes for other acts like bribery, assault, rape. But with or without the Islamic states, these crimes don't go unpunished in any society, including the secular states which you claim do not recognise the sovereignty of God. With this, why the emphasis on "Islamic" state?

Sharia advocate groups like Boko haram, IS, Muslim Brotherhood etc don't want an Islamic state because they want to punish thieves, adulterers or murderers, comm' on even under the status quo these criminals aren entertained.
They want it because they want to kill muslims who do not pray or give zakat, kill ex-muslims for apostacy, kill persons for condemning Quran or Muhammad, severely penalise gamblers, drinkers, usury bankers etc in the name of Islam.

These may be evil acts as far as the Qur'an is concerned but they do not directly harm anyone, there aren't penalties stipulated in the Qur'an for offenders and so under the name of Islam none can compel or punish another concerning these acts. There are certain crimes to be punished by God alone.

Finally, it is time i focus soley on the topic. I won't be digress anymore.

tbaba1234: Usermane is a 'quranist'... He does not even call himself muslim..

Wrong place to get any information.

tbaba1234: No there is no evidence that indicates that they can pray... The hadith talks about stained clothes. Totally different issue.


It is clear that a woman in her menses is not supposed to go to the prayer area talk less of praying.

AlBaqir: My view? In sha Allah I'm coming back. I need to hear people's opinion first.

usermane: Whoever disputed the difference, at the start of verse 49, [b]the Prophet was ordered [/b]to rule, to govern and to instruct the people with the Scripture. At the end of the verse, the Prophet was told that those who turn away from his rule will be punished, by whom? None but God.

Note that that this is the same verse that speak of governing. And we find no words in it that empower either the Prophet or state to compel and punish the defaulters who turn away from the Scriptural rules. So, how am i the one missing the point?

usermane: ^^^

Yes i have read 5:47-49, read how it concludes in verse 49.
The Prophet was ordered to rule according to the Qur'an, not his wishes or anyone else 's. So what happen if the people turn away?
On the event of that, God tells the Prophet that He the Almighty will punish them, not the Prophet, not the State.
In Qur'an 5:92 God also tell those who turn away that the Prophet 's only role to them is delivery of the message, he has no business with anyone who turn away from the message.



If i tell my son to obey his teacher, i haven't said the teacher has the right to penalise him for disobedience.
If i tell a patient to obey his doctor, am not saying the doctor can force him to follow instructions or penalise him for not doing so.
The Islamic state has it concerns, for which it can compel and punish but talk of Scriptural rules and practices the State like the Prophet can only warn, not compel or punish.



Quote a single verse where 'women' on menstruation are deem impure and unfit for Salat. Qur'an 2:222 says it is harmful and so unlawful to have sex during menstruation. It didn't state menstruating women are impure. If Salat during menstruation is prohibitted as sex, why isn't salat mentioned in this verse as well?

In Qur'an 4:43, intoxication, sex, orgasm, urination and defeacation without washing or bathing were clearly stated as situations under which one shouldn't observe Salat. Why again is 'Menses' not stated as one of these situation?

Here is your daily hadith


Quite alright, menses is normally red but in rare cases, microbial infection in the vagina could result in blood and yellow discharge during menstruation. So, with this, there are chances the Prophet 's wife that prayed here was actually menstruating.

Then again, even if that wasn't the case. Blood and yellow discharge from the vagina is just as impure as menses, especial if it is serious enough that the woman has collect the fluid with a dish. So, how come a woman under such an "impure" state is praying here?

publicenemy: Am Not teasing you...i got many replies on that post and yours was the only moderate and less insultive one.the way we respond to situations especially on a forum like this where people cant see us and we can post anything tells how we truly are atleast to an extent.

usermane: Peace!


[s]Even Muhammad, the Head of the Medina state, the Prophet at that time was only a warner, not an authority or guardian to enforce what is Islamic and so how can you tell us that the Islamic state has this right if at all the state in question judge by the Quran?
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Btruth: Islam = Terrorist. Why are you shy?

tokunboh: And some people will come here screaming Israel has been killing innocent kids! Those kids grow up to be like James Foley's executioner. They are a cancer, Israel wipe them off! ISIS, Hamas, Boko Haram, they all are like for like!