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Cheers01: You have insulted him, dismissed his points, derided his islamic views and now you feel that he should be ignored.......


You are very lucky that Usermane is a calm person. [s]You know what would have happened if you tried this with me. [/s]

mtchew. Islamic tout

mufutau55: NO. I don't see any gutter either and it's not required in Nigeria. I believe Spyder880 also mentioned that some owners prefer natural water falling off his roof.. But I have also seen other houses where Spyder installed roof gutters... It's left to the owner of the house what he/she wants.
Although my house is an aluminum roof, I still have gutters on it...

Hajji Mufutau

usermane: Pride And Self righteousness.

Pride is a state where a man is so full of himself that he feels those who oppose his ideas must be silenced.
Selfrighteousness is a state where interest banking is evil because it exploits the poor while non-muslims must be made to pay "Jizya" because this isn't exploitation but the decree of .....

You see, it is the problem with you guys, Empiree. You always swear; "he is ignorant, he is misguided"(Quran 49:11). As if you know it all. Added to that, you elevated yourself to the position of telling us who God loves or not. But you didn't stop there, you crossed the line and called me an agent of mischief/fasad(Quran 5:33). In the space of a few hours, tbaba1234 called me ignorant no less than 3 times. If only u realise that "misguided, ignorant" are relative terms. I have met far educated persons, they don't swear, they don't use rude words like "ignorant or misguided" for particular.

Each time you swear at me, am hardly bothered, even Abubakar Shekau swears at muslims who disagree with him. I can feel the rage behind those words, i can feel the hate in your chest and i learn from it, am grateful to God.

usermane: I cited 4 hadith on only salat that contradict your method of salat and what did you do? You responded with 4 other hadith that contradict those ones but support you. In short, you contradicted your book, your book contradict itself and we all know contradictions has no place in a true Book of God. You missed several historical facts, you cannot even cite an evidence that Prophet was divinely taught how to perform salat so as to teach it like Abraham[b](21:73)[/b].

Then i asked 5 questions on hadith books, you had to stand aside for tbaba to intervene. Tbaba came with responses that only irrational people will take like ;"Writing Hadith was originally forbidden to prevent mixing hadith with Quran". It is funny how he want to teach everyone when his creed is repeatedly debunked by Shiites here using his own Sahih Books. If i "ll ever return to hadith, i ''ll become a Shiite because over and over they have proved to have more evidence in even the sunni books and rely more on intellect than you sunnis.

usermane: I cited 4 hadith on only salat that contradict your method of salat and what did you do? You responded with 4 other hadith that contradict those ones but support you. In short, you contradicted your book, your book contradict itself and we all know contradictions has no place in a true Book of God. You missed several historical facts, you cannot even cite an evidence that Prophet was divinely taught how to perform salat so as to teach it like Abraham(21:73).

Then i asked 5 questions on hadith books, you had to stand aside for tbaba to intervene. Tbaba came with responses that only irrational people will take like ;"Writing Hadith was originally forbidden to prevent mixing hadith with Quran". It is funny how he want to teach everyone when his creed is repeatedly debunked by Shiites here using his own Sahih Books. If i "ll ever return to hadith, i ''ll become a Shiite because over and over they have proved to have more evidence in even the sunni books and rely more on intellect than you sunnis.

usermane: Am tired of debating proponents of Hadith who have never read a full volume of Sahih Bukhari in their life, who haven't even seen a copy of Sunan Abudawood in their life but yet want me to join their bandwagon in either cherrypicking from or blindly abiding by traditions that have no beggining or end, no confirmed total count, no Quranic or historical legitimacy.

It is God 's mercy that i discovered His true message[Quran 25:30-31]. Otherwise, i 'll still be choking from oral traditions that are full of blasphemies against God, slanders against the Prophet, hate, aggressive, misorgynistic and backward teachings.

Keep your questions to yourself, Empiree. Am not going to reply. I 've had enough of your crap, at least for the meantime.

tbaba1234: There are many things to criticize the saudi government for. There is no need to include falsehoods.

mufutau55: Because houses are required to have "gutters" here.. if not, the Building Inspectors will be knocking on your house with that thick papers.

Hajji M.

spyder880: Completed portions

Hkana: Ameen.

Oya, Empiree come and say "Amin"

zemaye: At the bolded that's rather harsh bro. May Allah forgive us all.

tbaba1234: The guy is just ignorant and is not open minded enough to learn. Waste of time.. Maybe a one on one session will be more beneficial for him.

usermane: on Salat &hadith

tbaba1234: The Khawarij

Ali (radiAllahu anhu) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) as saying, "There would arise at the end of the age a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the Deen as an arrow goes through the prey. So when you meet them, kill them, for in their killing you would get a reward with Allah on the Day of Judgment." (Muslim)

Empiree: She's now on live support in NY hospital. But earlier this month she was ranting on Gaza. Wikipedia said she died on August 19, 2014. Few minutes later they removed it. humm, she didnt know that As'srail was knocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIibX4Drzxs#t=37

usermane: 1. Why do hadith books remain largely absent till 200+ years after the Prophet?
3. Why did Abubakr & Umar burn hadith writtings and they as well as the Prophet forbade spreading hadith?

usermane: 2. Is it a coincidence that non of the compilers of the six main sunni hadith book is an arab or bedouin?

usermane: Sahih Muslim Book 004, Hadith Number 0781.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) entered the mosque and a person also entered therein and offered prayer, and then came and paid salutation to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) returned his salutation and said: Go back and pray, for you have not offered the prayer. He again prayed as he had prayed before, and came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and saluted him. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) returned the salutation and said: Go back and say prayer, for you have not offered the prayer. This (act of repeating the prayer) was done three times. Upon this the person said: By Him Who hast sent you with Truth, whatever better I can do than this, please teach me.
He (the Holy Prophet) said: When you get up to pray, recite takbir, and then recite whatever you conveniently can from the Qur'an, then bow down and remain quietly in that position, then raise yourself and stand erect; then prostrate yourself and remain quietly in that attitude; then raise yourself and sit quietly; and do that throughout all your prayers.

A man is taught to recite not necessarily Chapter 1 but whatever he can of the Quran. Also note that this is one of the rare salat that attempt to present salat act sequentially, but contrary to common muslim practice, no recitation but silence is observed on bowing, prostration or sitting. And Chapter 1 may not even be obligatory afterall.

usermane: Peace Empiree. The only message that Muhammad testified to recieve from God is the Qur'an(6:19). The onus is on you to prove the divinity of hadith books. As for me, i believe that as foretold in Quran 6:112-113, hadith were fabricated and ascribed to Muhammad. Thus, i don't see rejecting hadith in any way as disobedience to messenger.

usermane: SALAT
Personally, i perform mine as the mainstream

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do with variations though but i don't agree that other than that, any other interpretation of salat is wrong. Therefore, i believe that

You see @ underlined, it seems you beefing in cycle. So you pray as mainstream pray whatever your variations are, can only mean one thing "you pray as you see us pray". It's mandatory to follow sunnah of the messanger in this regard. He actually practicalized this. Companions in his time saw him pray. Full Stop

1. There are no fixed numbers of rakas.
Prayer times, http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/salat/salat_chp2a.htm

2. Recitation language doesn't matter.
Answer:
As Muslims, we are blessed that our holy book has been maintained in its original language. Most other religions have only translations of their holy books, whereas we have the original text of our holy book in its original unadulterated language. This protects us from being deceived by false translations and allows us all to refer back to the Qur’an to find out its original wording and meaning. Therefore, as Muslims, it is highly reocmmended and perhaps a responsibility to learn sufficient Arabic in order to understand the Qur’an, or at least what part of it we recite it in our daily prayers.

The logic is that the wording of the Qur’an and the rest of the remembrance of God that we recite in prayer cannot be translated into another language without losing its full meaning, its beautiful eloquence and its perfect nature. When we recite the Arabic words of the Qur’an, we are reciting the verbatim word of God. A translation would always be the words of a human being and limited by the scope of that human being’s understanding, and this is a poor subsitute for the Divine Word.

It is recommended to teach Islam in the language of the local people, so they can understand the concepts of Islamic beliefs. There is also no problem with speaking to God in one’s own language when asking for our needs or supplicating.

However, when it comes to Salat, we must stick to the Arabic as per the reasons above, and it is the responsibility of every Muslim to learn at least basic Arabic, just as many professionals nowadays learn English and are proficient in it for the purposes of learning and teaching.

It should however be noted that in the Qunut (supplication with open hands) of our prayer, we can supplicate in any language we wish.
Answered by: Dr Ali Alsamail
Certified by: Sheikh Mansour Leghaei

3. There is no extra reward in performing it singly or in multiples.
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, "A man's Salat in congregation is twenty-five times more rewarding than his Salat at home or in his shop, and that is because when he performs his Wudu' properly and proceeds towards the mosque with the purpose of performing Salat in congregation, he does not take a step without being raised a degree (in rank) for it and having a sin remitted for it, till he enters the mosque. When he is performing Salat, the angels continue to invoke Blessings of Allah on him as long as he is in his place of worship in a state of Wudu'. They say: `O Allah! Have mercy on him! O Allah! Forgive him.' He is deemed to be engaged in Salat as long as he waits for it.''
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: This Hadith tells us that Salat in congregation is far more in reward than Salat offered alone. In the preceding Hadith it has been held 27 times and in the present, 25 times more rewarding. The reason for this variation offered by some `Ulama' is that at first it was told to the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) 25 times and then it was increased to 27 and he communicated to his Companions what was revealed to him. Some other scholars have linked it with the form, spirit and concentration of the Salat. The more meticulous one is about its details, the greater will be the reward for it. Another difference of opinion in this respect is regarding the nature of Salat in congregation. How does one become eligible for higher reward? Does he become eligible for it by performing Salat in congregation anywhere, i.e., at home, in business premises, at an open place, in the desert etc., or in that congregation which gathers in a mosque? Some `Ulama' go with the first opinion while others agree with the second. Hafiz Ibn Hajar preferred the second view on the grounds that the words occuring in the text of this Hadith support this view.

Ibn Mas`ud (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: He who likes to meet Allah tomorrow (i.e., on the Day of Requital) as a Muslim, should take care and observe the Salat when the Adhan is announced for them. Allah has expounded to your Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) the ways of right guidance, and these (the prayers) are part of the right guidance. If you have to perform Salat in your houses, as this man who stays away (from the mosque) and performs Salat in his house, you will abandon the Sunnah (practice) of your Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), and the departure from the Sunnah of your Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) will lead you astray. I have seen the time when no one stayed behind except a well-known hypocrite. I also saw that a man was brought swaying (on account of weakness) between two men till he was set up in a row (in the mosque).
[Muslim].
https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?topic=1794405&post=25724154

4. Modest dress should be worn(Quran 7:31) Agree

ooseven: I am not a trinity, so why refer to me as 'una'?

I admit that by hounding you I am also derailing as I haven't said anything regarding the topic. For that I apologize to the OP. However, its about time you are righted.

My frequent visit to this forum is in large part due to the intelligent writing of usermane, albaqir, urban, lagosshia and the smart retorts by tbaba, vedaxcool etc. You on the other hand, do not try to engage in that level of discussion. You just want to scatter the place and render any thread you don't like useless.

Please change.

ooseven: To be honest I have a hang of almost all the players in this section, and you come across as the one that likes to derail topics you don't agree with. I even saw a post of yours where you mentioned deliberately trying to derail a topic.

So, I say focus on the topic or at least touch on the topic before going on a tangent.

ooseven: How about you leave that argument on the other thread and focus on the topic at hand, so you are not accused of derailing.

Hkana: ^^^ I wish I understood the post above me.

ooseven: ...i need to give my head a wobble. One minute, I was reading about palestine and the next all discussions swing to banking systems. Just shows how negligible the Palestinian topic can be.