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bigtt76:
That means more tax and less tax exemptions in the coming year.

110 million poor? So the remaining 70 million are rich? How come sir

base on world Bank index of $1 per day 1*#220=#220*30days=#6600. Which many youths and families can't boost of saving it a month. So yeah 100m people are poor in Nigeria that's the bitter truth from the government so that they can work harder to reduce it. Or do u want the government to lie to you that just 10m is poor or there is no poor people in Nigeria?

psucc:
N8t and zero based!!! It's damn too high. Anyway I hope they know what that figure stands for. Or it's not Oshiomhole's number!!!!

Let it not be they are banking on loot recovery to come out with thus number o?

I don't want to hear, we did not say it. Osi baba I hope you are not playing another Garba Shehu here o?

that's what the government is working hard to diversify,also have a single account to reduce corruption, and also increase the revenue of the government and also reduce the ministerial portfolio. Imagine the amount that has been saved since this dispensation through non availability of the ministers?

orontogorah:
but i tot dey said nigeria was broke na...

what is the difference between broke and poor? Understand economics I beg

dolphinheart:
Good, did I say "so equipped", did I say " not equipped enough"? .
If I did not say those words, stop ascribing me to them.
If you do not understand what I meant by completely equipped*(corrected), pls ask and don't change my words.

what do u mean by what you said that the scriptures is completely equipt?

vooks:
It means Jesus is God

No to under 'son of man ' phrase it means Christ has been in existed before the creation of the world and Daniel and other prophets knew him but they do not know his name that was why his names were many. He is called Emmanuel, Prince of peace, and so on. Plz read good news Bible to understand the son of man very well.

vooks:
It is well my brother.
My reading is that there are some references of 'son of man' in Daniel to Jesus Christ but not ALL of them. The particular incidence where Shedrack,Mishek and Abedneggo were cast into the furnace, there is nothing there suggesting Jesus. Am not saying it was not Jesus but there is nothing to lead me to this conclusion. I think an angel came to save them just as an angel freed peter from prison. But the angel was in the form of a man and those outside the furnace saw 4 guys whereas they cast in 3 into the fire.

Example of 'son of man' in Daniel where Jesus is necessarily implied.
Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV)
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed

Here, the description of the 'one like the son of man' of receiving dominion, kingdom etc means the person is Jesus Christ. In fact I strongly feel when Jesus called himself Son of Man, He was hinting at being the person identified on this verse. My opinion.

Daniel 3:25 (KJV)
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Nebuchadnezzar says the fourth man was like the son of God. We know Jesus is THE SON OF GOD, but this King was a pagan and we know angels are severally called sons of God in the Old Testament. So it is quite likely he was talking about the fourth man in the furnace being an angel and not Jesus

Just read Matthew 15:8. And see where u belong.

vooks:
It is well my brother.
My reading is that there are some references of 'son of man' in Daniel to Jesus Christ but not ALL of them. The particular incidence where Shedrack,Mishek and Abedneggo were cast into the furnace, there is nothing there suggesting Jesus. Am not saying it was not Jesus but there is nothing to lead me to this conclusion. I think an angel came to save them just as an angel freed peter from prison. But the angel was in the form of a man and those outside the furnace saw 4 guys whereas they cast in 3 into the fire.

Example of 'son of man' in Daniel where Jesus is necessarily implied.
Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV)
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed

Here, the description of the 'one like the son of man' of receiving dominion, kingdom etc means the person is Jesus Christ. In fact I strongly feel when Jesus called himself Son of Man, He was hinting at being the person identified on this verse. My opinion.

Daniel 3:25 (KJV)
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Nebuchadnezzar says the fourth man was like the son of God. We know Jesus is THE SON OF GOD, but this King was a pagan and we know angels are severally called sons of God in the Old Testament. So it is quite likely he was talking about the fourth man in the furnace being an angel and not Jesus

what does this bible passage means? In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. John 1:1.

vooks:
In Daniel, Jesus had not yet come. Looking like son of man simply means looking like a man. Angels also looked like men in OT so much that Sodom wanted to rape them


Don't confuse the description in Revelation because there we have FURTHER proof that the one who looks like son of man is Jesus while in Daniel we don't

why are u contradicting yourself? You said in Daniel Jesus had not come so Daniel didn't know him (that's d meaning) now in that same Daniel u mentioned Jesus as son of man. Is that not double standard. See don't confuse yourself, just read simple good news Bible to understand the word of God written in simple English then you will see what they meant by son of man in the books of the prophet.

dolphinheart:
That, I cannot say. But what do I know, I know that the scriptures is completely equipt for every good work. It is suitable for setting things straight!

this is where u said the scriptures is completely equipt (abi scripture is different from Bible?).

dolphinheart:
Bro, I think you are trying to twist my words so as to either find fault with me or to try and confuse others. If you are sincere, pls quote what I said! Not what you think I said. Never said it is " so equipped, neither did I say "not equipped".

Bro, god did not tell them to make images of his number one enemy! Haba!
I'm not angry that you make images, and I've never discussed "images of jesus" with you on these thread. Stop trying to force things on me Bro.

You say I shift the bible, how? Have I said something that we can't find out when we read the scriptures?
I asked you guys, does the use of the image of mary have scriptural backing?
Are there similarities in the use of images as recorded in the scriptures and that of the use of the images of mary?
This questions still await answers.

from what you just said now you don't have problems with images of Jesus but Bible say thou shall not make images.
Secondly between image of Mary and that of the no 1 enemy of God (serpent that Moses erected) which one is meaningful to you?

vooks:
Don't be casual with scriptures. Jesus applied Son of Man to himself. Before he did, no such reference can be inferred to apply to him.
See what son of man means in Old Testament

Numbers 23:19 (KJV)
God is not a man, that he should lie;
neither the son of man, that he should repent:
hath he said, and shall he not do it?
or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Job 25:6 (KJV)
How much less man, that is a worm?
and the son of man, which is a worm?
Psalms 146:3 (KJV)
Put not your trust in princes,
nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Isaiah 56:2 (KJV)
Blessed is the man that doeth this,
and the son of man that layeth hold on it;
that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it,
and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.


Son of man in Old Testament means MAN not Jesus.

Daniel is actually called son of man!
Daniel 8:17 (KJV)
So he came near where I stood: and when he came,
I was afraid, and fell upon my face:
but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man:
for at the time of the end shall be the vision

Do you think Daniel is Jesus?

wo I have hear you. So that's what the Bible means abi? No whahala

vooks:
In Daniel, Jesus had not yet come. Looking like son of man simply means looking like a man. Angels also looked like men in OT so much that Sodom wanted to rape them


Don't confuse the description in Revelation because there we have FURTHER proof that the one who looks like son of man is Jesus while in Daniel we don't

Haha why are you people twisting the Bible to please yourselves? Who has always been called son of man in the Bible? Now because it doesn't favour you now you say the son of man was angel! When you know that John 1:1said it all. Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever. Prophet talked about the future of Christ and you say this? Plz understand the Bible before you say these. God bless you

dolphinheart:
I never said that the bible is "so equipped and you did not state what god commanded to "do".

Man has been wearing things to cover his unclothedness since the time of adam and has devised different materials and method of putting them together through time.
The scriptures does not stipulate a particular design or material but it says we must be modest, modest even in the eyes of fellow humans. So if humans take suit and agbada as a modest way of dressing expecially for official purposes. I think its appropriate for those doing gods work officially to dress in such manner.
The scriptures is a guide for us when Making day to day, personal decisions.

listen to what you just said again, you said you didn't say the Bible is so equipped then what other books do we support the Bible with to make it equipped? You said God to them to "make images" of his no 1enemy "serpent" and you are angry that we make images of our saviour Jesus? That double standard bro. Plz don't shift the Bible to please yourselves but understand it under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

simi4me:
What is your point exactly?

since you said that John did not meet Jacob, so I can as well say Paul didn't didn't know Jesus yet we preached Jesus more than the other apostles. Better still read what you said about woman and the 12 Stars.

dolphinheart:
I do not understand your question Bro.

since you said that the Bible is so equipped and God commanded the people to 'do' then we can say that God commanded the pastors too to wear suit or agbada

simi4me:
John said he saw someone like the son of man. Is dat not Jesus? And did John lived in the time of Jacob?

honestly you pentecostal are very good at shifting the post. Did Paul know or meet Jesus? How come he talked about Jesus more than other apostles?

The Northern Elders Forum (NEF) said that former President, Goodluck Jonathan did
not heed their advice on the best approach to handle war against Boko Haram.
Speaking in an interview on Wednesday, November 4, Dr. Paul Unongo, the deputy
national leader of NEF said Jonathan would have taken the credit for defeating the
insurgents if he had not ignored their recommendation, The Punch reports.
According to him, those recommendations were being used by President Muhammadu
Buhari now.
Unongo said: “ We (NEF) have not written any letter to President Buhari on Boko Haram. I
am sure he picked up the recommendations we sent to Jonathan and they are working for
him. NEF didn’t condemn Jonathan because he is Jonathan. We gave Jonathan a piece of
advice.
“We were talking to him for over two years. We told him that he cannot fight Boko Haram
with obsolete equipment and we told him that the battle was not only about using arms. We
told him to use psychological intelligence.
“We actually wanted him to get the credit for winning the deadly Boko Haram war. He
(Jonathan) doubted the kidnap of the Chibok girls and actually was seen on the television
dancing azonto. Our people were being killed in hundreds. This was the height of
insensitivity and we just had to complain about that. We complained creatively .”
READ ALSO : Northern Leaders Urge Nigerians To Be Patient With Buhari
The NEF leader wondered why the former president refused to implement the forum’s
blueprint to end Boko Haram insurgency.
Unongo faulted opinion leaders who described Buhari’s anti-corruption war as selective,
saying the president’s body language showed that he would tolerate corruption.
He added that the group would not hesitate to criticise the new government if it acted
against the wishes of the masses.
Three days ago, Tanko Yakasai, the chairman of the Northern Elders Council (NEC)
warned President Buhari against the selective persecution of perceived political
opponents in the name of fighting corruption. He noted that the overwhelming feeling
today was that the country was returning to dictatorship.
He also dismissed claims by the military that northern leaders are the sponsors of
Boko Haram , challenging the authorities to name the so-called sponsors if they claimed
were backing the insurgents.

accountable:
[[Mat 15:1-6/KJV]]Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
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The above scripture is just one example of cases where the oral tradition starkly contradicted the word of God.
Remember 2 timothy 3:16 : All scripture( not all tradition)] is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
My dear brothers, when ur church tradition contradicts God's written word as we see in many instances regarding the CC doctrines, WHAT DO U DO? I need a sincere answer from a catholic.

my bro try to understand Jesus in this context. Christ said "he has not come to abolish the law(tradition) but to fulfill all righteousness. Meaning that just as we are against some old laws of our land that are bad so Christ too. Example of old tradition was killing of twins, Killing of 10 people when a king dies. Now to the passage Christ was simply say 'he who seek equity must go with clean hand' were the elders righteous? So what Catholic law do u feel is against human or godly law?

accountable:
[[Mat 15:1-6/KJV]]Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
.............................................................................................................
The above scripture is just one example of cases where the oral tradition starkly contradicted the word of God.
Remember 2 timothy 3:16 : All scripture( not all tradition)] is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
My dear brothers, when ur church tradition contradicts God's written word as we see in many instances regarding the CC doctrines, WHAT DO U DO? I need a sincere answer from a catholic.

Tell us one Catholic tradition that contravene God law?

uboma:
As i continue to laugh in Swahili at your false belief of the Church (Catholic) being older than the Bible and that the Church (Catholic) compiled the Bible, you can continue to wallow in your ignorance and unwillingness to reason objectively.

You have being brainwashed beyond repair and i only pity the naive ones who will fall victim to your false teachings

since you believe so much in Bible plz show us where you have issues with the church instead of these your assumptions

PastorAIO:
There are some very interesting implication here. Sorry if this detracts a bit from the direction of the thread but ...

There is obviously a distinction between the letter of the law, following what God set down by law Vs a later inspiration from God.

God writes in the law not to make images, but inspires prophets to later make images.


This makes me think also of the law: Thou shalt not kill. This law is later contravened by instructions to kill Canaanites amalekites and other various random peoples.

This brings up the issue of morality and whether morality is sourced from God or from our innate moral disposition. What if we have a certain moral disposition but we hear from God to act in a way which contradicts our moral beliefs. Which way will be the right way?

you are too much. Talking about the amalekites, this refusal of Saul to please God by not killing them let to his downfall and his kingship ruined.

ace1:
I'd like to read his own accout. Assuming what you have said is true

download the app 'the Lost book of the Bible' to read other books and the gospel of Peter

dolphinheart:
That, I cannot say. But what do I know, I know that the scriptures is completely equipt for every good work. It is suitable for setting things straight!

that means that God told pastors to wear suit or agbada. Abi?

dolphinheart:
I did not say " god say" , the scriptures made us to understand that god gave the instructions.

God is not a god of disorderliness, neither does he do things anyhow.
There was an order in the instruction.
1. The person or persons to do it where mentioned, not just anyone.
2. The instructions, though giving by divine means where recorded down, so that future generations will know the source of the instructions.
3. Jehovah guided the use of such images so that it will not lure them to do something contrary to what he had in mind. For example, the images in the temple is only seen by one person once in a year. The image of the serpent was later destroyed when it was seen that it was used contrary to instruction.
When the isrealites lost the temple, god made sure that non of these images where later used. 4. God physically showed to the isrealite beyond natural dought that he approved of such images, he showed it physically for the ark, the serpent and temple during its dedication.

This the GO's don't have, I personally don't believe anyone professing personal inspiration from God without a physical manifestation of such inspiration.
Look at the building of the ark by Noah.
Look at the building of the temple.
Look at the pillar built by a prophet during the baal worship.
Look at bethel by isreal.

God said christians should gather together, he did not set a precise location.

I've not been discussing my own way. I've been discussing bible way. And if ur assumption where to be taken, you have to first accept that the use of such images for mary does not follow bible way.

it's seems God has not been talking since after the Bible was compiled. Since we should look up to the Bible

dolphinheart:
1 chr 28:18-19
18. for the altar of incense refined gold by weight; and gold for the pattern of the chariot of the cherubims,
that spread out their wings, and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD.
19 All this, said David, the
LORD made me understand in
writing by his hand upon me,
even all the works of this
pattern.

ex 25 :18-20
18 Make two cherubim of gold; make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat.
19 Make one cherub at one
end and one cherub at the
other end. At its two ends,
make the cherubim of one
piece with the mercy seat.
20 The cherubim are to have
wings spread out above,
covering p the mercy seat with
their wings, and are to face
one another. The faces of the
cherubim should be toward
the mercy seat.

num 21: 8-9
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass,
that every one that is bitten,
when he looketh upon it, shall
live. 9 And Moses made a
serpent of brass, and put it
upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass,
he lived.

First , the instruction was not " don't make", it was " do not make for yourself " or " you shall not make for yourself" or as gods word translation puts it : Never make your own carved idols or statues that represent any creature in the sky, on the earth, or in the water. -ex 20:4

Not making for myself means I should not make by myself and for myself or my own image with the hope of using it in the worship of god. I should not decide to make such images.
That god gave the isrealites a definite direction to make some images and no harm comes to them, after the people/person instructed to make them did so, and that isrealites making images without divine direction and got purnished should further tell you what god meant by " do not make for urselves".

U read about these images, that even read that when there was an attempt to use some of these images for veneration or worship, god did not allow it.

So the question is , does the use of mary's image follow or have similarity with any of these images mentioned in the scripture?

you are very funny. OK since you use the phrase (God said) in all the verses to say all those images were under God's command. What is the assurance that God told the Catholic Church to do it. (this is a case of unwritten law) just as 'our' people wakes up one day and say God has called them to be a pastor or GO. What about some GOs who build their church camps and say that is where God ask them to build their church. Can they too prove it that it was truly God's command, just as you too want Catholic to prove why they have those images since God didn't officially say it in your own way??

Anas09:
My God!!!!!!! Satan hold this people strong. For someone to bring up the serpent in the wilderness to support idol worship in catholicism. *walks out of thread*

meaning?

dolphinheart:
You claim the use of the image of mary has scritural support, I just want you to show me which image was used in the scriptures, and we will compare its use with that of the use of the image of mary.
If truly there were images that was made by man in the scriptures,and its use is similar to that of the use of mary's image, pls let us see it.

read (1
Chr. 28:18–19). (Ex. 25:18–20). (Num.
21:8–9).does that mean that God is confused since he said don't make yet he asked them again to make.

uboma:
It is best left at household as the Bible puts it. It is possible not to have infants within a certain household. Don't you agree?

So since the Bible does not specifically use the word, infants, why are you adding to the Bible?

read all the households in these chapters and u want to tell me there won't be infant there? Abah!!! (Acts
16:15). " (Acts 16:33). (1 Cor.
1:16).so u mean all these people are adults. OK tell me where Christ or Bible kicked against children not even baptism again oooo. I mean where Bible say the children should be old enough to know the word of God before they can be accepted into the church?

vooks:
You ask a dead being to pray for you. How different is that from necromancy from Saul asking a dead Samuel for direction?

Which dead people are they playing to? They all are alive in Christ (Matt. 17:3).since you that Christ himself said if we eat his body and drink his blood we shall not die (which mean eternal death) further more he said our ancestors eat manners from heaven yet they are dead. Which mean if you are in communion with Christ you have over come death cos even if u die he will raise u up which means heaven. Understand his parables. So the Saints are not dead (those who are dead are the ones in hell (rather they are live). Remember Christ is the Lord of the living and the dead. So no barrier. What does the phrase "it's finished" that Christ said at the calvary?

vooks:
You know praying to idols don't make them God

which idol is Catholics praying to? Is God a confused being when he asked the iserealites to make a bronze serpent? (Num.
21:8–9). Or is it the covenant box which the iserealites carried about? Do u know what it was made up of? Read
(Ex. 25:18–20). (1
Chr. 28:18–19).

[quote author=simi4me post=39582922]Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.

This verse was talking about Israel and not marry.

Joseph had a dream which shows the sun, the moon and eleven stars bowing to him, the sun was his father Jacob, the moon his mother and the eleven stars his brothers.

That chapter was talking about a son that will come from Israel; Jesus in this case and how the devil will try to destroy him, and when he did not succeed will then attack the mother in this case Isreal. We are seeing how many nations are trying to destroy Isreal. But God will protect Isreal which makes the devil angry and will attack Christians all over the world. It is happening already.
There are many places in the Bible where the word 'woman' is use to describe Israel. Moreover if it was marry, John would have called her by her name because he already knew her here on earth.

Hosea 4:6 for my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge

John 8:32 and yea shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. [/quote)from what you posted why didn't John mention Jacob, Jesus since he knew them also? Why calling only Mary? The Bible said WOMAN!

*please give a straight answer to this question: What is the pillar and foundation of truth? The Church or the Bible?