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ud20:
Lawrence Anoche is the Senior Pastor of Kings Heritage Church that is located in Ogba. God has used this great man to raise champions. A lot has been raised from gutter-most to the uppermost through the

http://hubpulpit.com/Interviews/ArtMID/431/ArticleID/4088/I-Didn’t-Have-Experience-With-God-Throughout-My-Time-In-Catholic----Lawrence-Anoche

the church is not begging for people. Soldiers go soldiers come barracks remain.

uboma:
Unlike you and your cohorts,I am humble enough to admit that I do not know what God's plan is for infants. I will not add to nor subtract from the scriptures like you and your cohorts have been doing.


The fact remains that infant baptism is not a scriptural teaching.

OK let's do it this way. I don't want to add nor subtract s
as u said. But what does the Bible means by household in the baptism saga? To a lay man like u and i it meant adult and young. Does that mean I have added infant (young) or you who can't show us where it prohibited infant from been baptised. That means you are the one Rev 22:18 is talking to. Note : I have not added nor subtracted but you have subtracted.

uboma:
Whatever plans God has for infants, I do not know. But I'm sure that as a loving God and our Creator, He will not forget these infants.

Simply accept the fact that there's no recorded case of infant baptism from the Bible and quit being manipulative.

May God have mercy on you.

why are u contradicting ur self. Shabi u are a bible believer than the catholics so I expect u to know where the infants will go afterall the Bible didn't stopped them from been baptised. Also Christ commands the children to come... (Matt. 19:14).

uboma:
There is no need to resort to manipulation to support your baseless claim. The Bible verse cited above mentioned the word *household*. No specific mention was made of INFANTS being among those who got baptized.


Its now obvious that the Catechism classes teaches its members to be manipulative and cunning to buttress their (Catholic) false teachings.

then u are the one manipulating cos the Bible never said 'DON'T BAPTISE INFANTS" secondly where will infants who die without baptism go to? Remember the same Bible say all have sinned (plus inherited sin of Adam) so the child to have sinned cos God cursed Adam and eve and their generation which is u and I. Thank God Jesus had no sin but was baptised becos of the curse. So where will infants go if they die without baptism? Plz ans us

beright:
Wow, read mark 4:11

mark 4:11 has nothing to do with this topic. About Idol yes there are images in the church but read (Ex. 25:18–20).. This is about the covenant box which the iserealites carried about and adore. (1
Chr. 28:18–19). This is about incense becos God love it.
(Num.
21:8–9).Moses made the bronze serpent so that those who look up to it will be cure. Does it mean that they worship the serpent? Or does it mean God is having a double standard? After all he said no building or worship of idols.

uboma:
Tell us please one instance from the Bible where an infant was baptised.

I am waiting please....

read (Acts
16:15). (Acts 16:33). (1 Cor.
1:16). They are households not adult and house means both young (infants) and old (adults). Just like sets theory in mathematics universal set = intersection (n) , Union(U), prime('). So if u can decode the set u will understand the word household

beright:
yes there are images on the phones and everywhere but do we worship them? are they part of our worship? Pls try and read Exodus 20:4,5,6. Concerning baptism, when do you baptize? You baptize when u repent, believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour. What do kids know? You cant judge kids until they come of age to know right and wrong. Baptism is not for kids. There is no account of baptis for kids in the bible. If we are xtians by account of the bible then let's follow it and not bend

so Jesus repented and got baptised then became born again? In the New Testament we read that Lydia was
converted by Paul’s preaching and that "She was baptized, with her household" (Acts
16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was
baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the
night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the
Corinthians, Paul recalled that, "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas" (1 Cor.
1:16).

Speechless3:
I think you are correct but why is the bible not the only authority?

I get confused sometimes

the Bible is still the only authority right from the beginning of the mass till the end. Everything they do is in the Bible. Please ask any Catholic questions that you are confuse about and we will help you. Glory to Jesus...

skyhighweb:
son of man is jesus is idea of dying for our sins is for us to get forgiveness, but holy spirit is of God him self is like wwhen the devil decided to take over that didnt end well for him n his followers or when does angels took men sharp to sleep with women those where direct sins to holy spirit which is closer to God

plz don't let us continue to argue about the word of God cos no matter how you look at it you will always see it in your own way. Just as the lawyers see the Constitution. So what is important is the greatest commandments which is love of God and man. Be it any church let's just keep to these commandments. God bless you

skyhighweb:
guy people like u should aviod being pastor cause u dont have any clue about what u talking about, sins forgiven after u are dead really na so they tell u, Christ tell u

what does this mean in the
In the Gospel of Matthew (12:32) our Lord Jesus said that anyone who sins against the
Son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who sins against the Holy Spirit will not be
forgiven neither in this world nor in the world to come.

skyhighweb:
sin that does not lead to death
eg suicide its a sin to try take one life, if the person succeed God will not forgive but if u dont succeed and ask for forgiveness you will be forgiven

bro mi don't preach the Bible from a lay man angle. Death here means eternal condemnation. Just as Chris say unless u eat my body u shall not die. Shabi the body of Christ is communion you and I eat yet we will still die. Every word and parable of Christ was about heaven that was why people of that time and his disciples didn't understand him. Now you people too don't understand the DEATH the Bible means. Plz understand the Bible not from a lay man way from from well grounded spirit filled influence.

marshalcarter:
Matthew 12:32 does not in any how nor in any form relate to wat we are talkin abt here....here we talkin abt prayin for the dead..but matt is talkin abt sinning against man and Holy ghost

OK aw will those sins that their sins can be forgiven in the other world, who will pray for them or will they be the one to pray for themselves? Remember after death judgement. Then why is Christ talking about forgiveness after death? Let me explain my point. Now that we are alive Christ said some sins can be forgiven when we die but some can't be forgiven even after we die. So aw will he or who will help the dead so seek forgiveness since u know that the dead can't talk

skyhighweb:
If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.

the verse is just totally against ur believe, did u even read it or u just copy and pasted

explain it to me

marshalcarter:
Wat are we prayin for...for dem to rise again or for dem to be @ the right place I wonder wen dis so called catholics would stop deceiving demselves....even the bible said after death comes judgment so if one dies and his/her soul is in hell....bro rev father sister andrew Matthews peter patrick....ya prayers and rosary cannot put the person in heaven....so I dnt see the relevance of prayin for the dead

read 1john 5:16 and Matthew 12:32. Why do you you observe a minute silence to the dead in the public gathering?

marshalcarter:
Wat are we prayin for...for dem to rise again or for dem to be @ the right place I wonder wen dis so called catholics would stop deceiving demselves....even the bible said after death comes judgment so if one dies and his/her soul is in hell....bro rev father sister andrew Matthews peter patrick....ya prayers and rosary cannot put the person in heaven....so I dnt see the relevance of prayin for the dead

read 1john 5:16 and Matthew 12:32

“DO WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THE DEAD?”
REFLECTION FOR THE COMMEMORATION OF ALL SOULS
Rev. Fr. Boniface Nkem Anusiem PhD
I still find memories of my minor seminary days very interesting and sometimes
reflective. During those days, late coming to any activity was (and is still) a great
offence. Once the prayer commences in the chapel for instance, those outside were
considered late and would be punished adequately. One day, I was just stepping onto
the threshold of the Chapel alongside other junior seminarians when the signal for the
commencement of the prayer was given. We were stopped just at the threshold where
there was an inscription “Domus dei et porta caeli” which means “House of God and
gate of heaven”.
We were asked to move to one side and behind us were others who had not reached
the threshold at all and they were asked to move to another side. After a while, one of
the auxiliaries (prefects) pleaded with his colleague to allow us to enter into the chapel
since we were not as late as the lot behind us and that we had reached the threshold.
With this, we went through the traditional knelling down as was obtainable at the time.
Thereafter, those of us who had reached the threshold were asked to cross over and
join the rest inside the chapel while those behind us were not only denied access but
were also severely punished.
Yesterday we were in a blissful mood as we celebrated the joy of our innumerable
brothers and sisters who have gained entrance into the Kingdom of heaven. Today on
the other hand we contemplate the fate and pray for those who like in my story have
reached but not crossed the threshold.
Today, we are encouraged to pray for those who might be undergoing some forms of
probation. Such people have been asked to stand aside. They are not with those inside
neither are they pushed outside and denied access like those who were gravely late.
They are like in a betwixt position though with much hope. Their hope is actually based
on our prayers: their brothers and sisters in the militant Church. Attentive to this, the
Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
All who die in God’s grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their
eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the
holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030).
Attentive to the above, we are called to bend our kneels in utter supplication to God on
their behalf. We are encouraged to continuously call on God to have mercy on them
and admit them into his Kingdom. Hence like those of us who were held at the
threshold of the Chapel and who were mildly punished and allowed to cross based on
the pleading of one of the prefects, these our brothers and sisters cannot help
themselves. They can only be liberated on account of our ardent prayers and
supplications since they still stand a chance to enter into bliss.
We are convinced about a place of temporary punishment or purification based on the
confirmation of the word of God. Purgatory as a word is not mentioned in the bible as
it is but we have references pointing to its reality just like the word bible is not strictly
mentioned in any of the books in the bible. If we read from the second book of
Maccabees (12:46) we will discover that it is a worthwhile thing to pray for the dead
so that their souls will be released. Of course even in our secular parlance we observe
minutes of silence for the dead and afterwards we say: “Rest In Peace” (RIP). We
cannot do these if we do not have hope for a better future or rest for them.
In the Gospel of Matthew (12:32) our Lord Jesus said that anyone who sins against the
Son of man will be forgiven, but anyone who sins against the Holy Spirit will not be
forgiven neither in this world nor in the world to come. By this statement our Lord
made us understand that there is forgiveness after our life in this world. He did not
mention what the world to come looks like but that definitely cannot be heaven and it
cannot be hell because there is no forgiveness the two locations. So we are left with
purgatory as the most probable place that could stand for it.
Another outstanding biblical reference can be found in the first letter of St. Paul to the
Corinthians (3:15). It will be very pertinent if we quote this passage and I wish to do so
using the King James Version for the benefit of my protestant readers. It says:
If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he
Himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
St. Paul was saying that a man’s work will be judged and he will suffer loss on that
account. But he himself will only be saved through fire. Now the Greek description of
“suffer loss” is “zemiothesetai” and this comes from the root “Zemioo” which means
punishment. (The same word we can see in Exodus 21:22; Proverbs 17:26 and Proverbs
19:19.)
From the passage above we understand that a man’s work will be examined as with
fire and on account of that he will be punished and his salvation will still come but
through that same burning by fire. It is like raw gold that can be refined only by
passing it through fire.
Furthermore in Revelation (21:27) we are told that nothing unclean can enter into the
Kingdom of God; it could be said that nothing raw, unrefined imperfect can enter. So
purgation or purification will be required for those who cannot be granted direct
entrance on account of imperfection.
Looking at our human valuation perspective, there are various levels of offences for
instance in the civil society. A person who commits murder has committed an offence
and someone who contravenes traffic also committed an offence. Judging the two
offences the same punishment cannot be given to them. St. John (1John 5:16) tells us
about sins that lead to death and others that do not lead to death. It is from here that
we talk about mortal sins and venial sins.
We are greatly encouraged today to pray for our departed brethren as our prayers will
assist as many as possible to be liberated from purgatory and be admitted into the
Kingdom of God. Yes they may be delayed but not denied or defeated.
May the Souls of the Faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace!
Fr. Bonnie.

accountable:
@Empredboy
As for the road being rough..... There is nothing rough about the road of the catholic church. It is a CONVENIENT CHURCH. It accommodates any kind of lifestyle. It indeed is a CONVENIENT CHURCH. It is CONSCIENCE CONVENIENT, TIME CONVENIENT AND SOCIALLY CONVENIENT.

OK let's take it one after the other. I thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience about the church. I won't use "rough " instead let me say "understand" cos people never understood Jesus teachings and ideology. So the same with the church. Even Christ said his thoughts are not our thoughts , so what man think is good for him mostly is not good in the sight of God. So pentecostal may be convenient for you what about God? Is it convenient with God? Thank you also for saying catholics love God which is the sure thing. You talk about sickness and diseases that now they bow at the name of Jesus in ur church. Does that mean you don't sick again or you don't encounter challenges? Know that Christ whom we all follow never promised you good health, money but only assure you of salvation. "seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness and every other things shall be added to it" everyother thing that he meant was contentment of mind and body. So bro you saying Catholic don't preach salvation. Thank God you were ones a member. The church is so rich in knowledge that you and I know that 4 Bible passages are read on Sundays while three on weekdays. 1 from the old, 1 from psalm 1 from the new and the last gospel. So the readings of that day determines what the priest will preach upon unlike when a pastor just pick a verse and preach. Reason this final point the Jews never believed anything good can come of Nazareth so that believe also affected Jesus cos he is from Nazareth. So nothing good can ever come from Catholic becos it's on God foundation. As you said we love (catholics) Jesus so if Nazareth birth place of Christ was bad to the people of old, what do you expect people of now to say about the institution of Christ?

charlsecy:
I was born a Catholic. However, I wouldn't accept practices that I strongly believe go against specific Biblical instructions. I wouldn't ask Mary for protecion. I wouldn't bow before statues.

but no body asked you. Since you left the church ask yourself these question. (1) has your spiritual life improved (2) have you stopped having the same problem you were having when you were in Catholic? (3) can you confidently say now you are righteous that if the Lord comes now you will make heaven. So please the church is not begging people to stay just as Christ was not asking his disciples to stay. He told them categorically that his road is rough. So if Catholic doctrine is not biblical remember that Christ whom we follow too was accused the same way that he wasn't of God. That was why he said a prophet is not recognised in his own town. Catholic don't expect you to understand them cos Christ himself wasn't understood because he spoke in parables.

Ighalo scored 2 goals against westham

Before the contest, if you asked her is she have a boyfriend should have said yes, but now ask her if she still have a boyfriend she will say No, why this sudden change?

hiroz:
is Chelsea cursed

I won't be surprise if the players are playing for his downfall. When a new coach comes in I won't be surprise if the same set of players starts playing well. That's sabotage men

fabre4:
Are you suggesting we listen to an experienced father rather than following the bible cos it was written by someone?
Since the catholics were the first xtian church why didn't they add worshiping the statues of Mary and jesus in their bible?

I will advice you to read wide so as to understand the word of God. You can't tell me that just a text book will make u well grounded to pass your subject. Off course you will need to carry on a lot of research. Now as per depending only on the Bible to understand and appreciate God then your case will be like a man who makes his house foundation on sand instead of rock. Some books base on my research (Google it) were not recorded in the Bible because Martin Luther King Jr couldn't wait for the Bible to be completed before leaving the church to start his own. Read books like "lost book of the Bible", "18 yrs missing of Christ "I. E (Jesus started his ministry at 30 and we heard from him last when he was 12yrs) so what happened between his 12 yrs and 30yrs. So plz read wide.

It's because they are older, 'experience' than and stronger. Now look as the trend when this same set of players get to the senior level their counterparts in other countries too would have gained a lot of football ideology which make them strong, truly experience and tactical. That's why we can never produce WORLD FOOTBALLER OF THE YEAR.

Super Eagles head coach Sunday Oliseh has listed Seattle Sounders striker Obafemi Martins for a recall to the national team for the World Cup qualifier against Swaziland in November after a two-year absence, Completesportsnigeria.com reports.
Completesportsnigeria.com checks showed that the return of Martins, who has been scoring freely in the United States first-tier Major League Soccer is the highlight of the 24-man list Sunday Oliseh submitted to the Nigeria Football Federation.
Also listed according to a decent NFF secretariat source are Manchester City forward Kelechi Iheanacho and Hull City’s Sone Aluko as well as Hope Akpan, among other regular suspects like Carl Ikeme, Mikel Obi and Victor Moses.
Complete Sports gathered further that Oliseh invited 18 foreign-based players that include Odion Ighalo, Efe Ambrose, Shehu Abdullahi, Leon Balogun, Elderson Echiejile, Sylvester Igbonu, Rabiu Ibrahim, Simon Moses and skipper Ahmed Musa.
Eight home-based players led by the Sunshine Stars of Akure duo of Ikechukwu Ezenwa and Tunde Adeniyi will be joined by ChimaAkas, Austin Oboriakpo and Gbolahan Salami.
The camp will open next week.

chocolateme:
Hmm...
This man no dey hear word.. E don start again.. In connection with politics again hmm..
Y become a reverend father when politics is your destiny oga?
By the way, nice epistle up there.

He is not a politician, just as Jesus was not. He was only advising and saying what ought to be the truth just as Jesus was telling and advising the Jews, pharisees and the saddusees.

jdilight:
They don't need to be fallen angels, there maybe impersonators. Angels take instructions from God not men, so when you call their attention and they don't show up and impersonator can show up to answer. If you understand the devil well, you will know he love impersonation which he uses to take glory since he enjoys glory so much.

how much do you know that devil? If u see him will u recognise him. Is he a spirit or being? Plz tell us the name of Angel who came to announce Mary pregnancy, the angel who was at Sodom and Gomorrah what Is their names, what about the angel who visited Abraham and the angel who chase away the devil and his followers from heaven. They must have a name! Bros I know that in a subject you don't study just a text book but as many as you can read so that u can pass.
Now why can't you ask yourself this question, all the events that happened from the creation of man till the time of early Christian are the all in the Bible? Remember the miracle alone of Jesus if written down the whole world won't be able to carry it. Please carry a research about the composition of the Bible, early Christian lives, lost book of the Bible. I beg read wide to know more about the devil, Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God. Above all let the good spirits direct you. Note stop condemning other people instead pray for peace among us all. The biggest commandments is love of God and the love of man. Others na Jara.

Hiploko:
The last pix though!!!! Open exodus 20:4-5... Thou shall not make a carved IMAGE or any LIKENESS of ANYTHING(God,Christ,Mary). You shall not BOW to them. The last pix contradicts this bible passage. Clear acts of disobedience.

does that mean that u are worshipping your elders too when you bow down for them?

What about Buhari who said he attended Toronto University? They didn't arrest him despite him also becoming our speaker of assembly. Ha naija double standard.

kilokeys:
She try.. I have seen worsterer ones

is ur English real?

ebenice:
if u had stopped @ Christ showed love I won't have bothered replying ...but now that u added logic to understanding the bible ..hmmm baba I beg to disagree ...u don't need logic to understand the Bible ..you need the Holy Spirit and faith ....the men of old didn't know logic ..they only understand God and obey His commands and here we are, David didn't know logic yet he wrote many psalms neither does mark or James but each were moved or led by the Spirit ..even Jesus advice us not to think of what we'll say in times of trials but to keep faith alive that the Spirit Himself will giver us utterance. so get it clear

and as par the example u sighted using the woman caught in adultery as case study ...well that's good but not "all correct"...Jesus didn't stop there but He further told the woman to go and sin no more ....At least if the pope didn't want to offend mere mortal men like the US senate by pointing out there evil acts like the likes of Charles Finney and Charles spurgeon and even as Paul the apostle told the Jews or how the three Hebrew children told Nebuchadnezzar in accient Babylon ...he should at least also told them to go and sin no more I.e don't do so again as did Jesus

Why are u contradicting ur self (pentecostal). If the Pope had said go and sin no more then u (pentecostal) would have said Pope is now equal to Christ. Now logic, yes logic is not in the Bible since u (pentecostal) are Bible believers but failed to see wisdom wish is what people of today called logic. To prove myself about logic, wisdom about and holy spirit. These 3 are never studied in school even in theology. So Christians will say Holy Spirit, people people of old will say wisdom while we of these days call it logic. So if I say logic, wisdom and Holy Spirit I am right. Note : these 3 can be used for evil deeds. Solomon, David, moses fell despite their wisdom, Paul too was confused when he could not differentiate between circumcision (jews) and Unbelievers. The same too with logic. But one thing that give us assurance is God's mercy. Even if u are filled with logic, wisdom, Holy Spirit that doesn't mean u can't sin. Which is the point. But remember the day u claim u are filled with Holy Spirit and u say u are now sinless then u have become God. Remember 'all have sinned and come short of his glory. (no exception)

ebenice:
paddy na which point I wan enjoi na?

BTW I said I hate lying too na , so why I go dey lie?

OK ....here is an example, what did the pope do when he was at the US senate just recently? ..I didn't quite understand his mission but I know well that out of all what he said that day he never mentioned the name of Jesus ...at least he could have even put it in this way..."it is He who only can save mankind from all troubles ..including praying to Him to help us on climate change " since climate change is what a whole christian respected largely place leader can say of all issues ..what happened to abortions,gay marriage etc? why couldn't he condemn that ?

Honestly I didn't want to respond to your thread. What was Jesus reaction to the people who wanted to stone the prostitute? Meaning if Pope had said "if u had not sinned before be the first to cast stone on the woman" then the whole world would say Pope is a customer to prostitutes. Abi? So my bro the Catholic Church is not looking for attention but rather love among ourselves. What I would have expected you to ask is = is there love in Catholic Church? Which is the greatest commandments of God. Love of God and love of man. Leave this Pope matter because you pentecostals are like the sadducce, parishes, and the teachers of the law who were always looking at the scriptures (Bible) to challenge Jesus yet Jesus over came them. So now you pentecostals feels you know Bible then challenge Catholic Church but failed to remember that Christ answered your questions mostly without using Bible but logic. So guy until u become logical in ur reasoning you won't understand the Bible.

kennosklint:
Who is eyeama.he go nd die respect ur boss no mata wat...

respect ur boss? Even if he say u should kill yourself?