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eph12:
It was Mourinho's choice to spend 30m on unknown Lindeloff. He could have gone for cheaper ones if he wanted.

My statement does not challenge his choice. I am showing how Lindeloff could have cost United £2M in 2001 and Fergie's spending would have been lower than what even Koeman spent before he got the boot.

joeace2020:
And i will believe them. They will tell me how many goals his balls has, how many interceptions his balls made, how many perfect crosses his balls made, how many trophies his balls has helped his team win. How by a tracable trend in figures they can guage how each achievement boosts his cost and what his final figure will look like. They won't tell me Harry Kane costs £200 mil now go to bed.

I guess this is why Barca paid 105M for Dembele. Traceable trend indeed.

joeace2020:
You keep falling into the slippery ditch you dug for yourself. Zidane and Neymar play in different positions, so now it's no longer a case of Zlatan who you said as a striker should cost what the record for striker is today, but its now anybody on the pitch can cost the price of anybody else today. De Gea can cost 196M based on what you say then. I don't know if you are using a hallucinogen but you need to stop it. Not only is what you saying bereft of intelligence, it also means you who said Shearer should cost £100 mil + has forgotten that and now quoting actual figures again. I was already delivering you from a lifestyle of ignorance but you are so far gone and irredemable.

When you quote figures you might not be sure of, please use estimates. If you tell me Zidane will cost £100+ or £150 mil+ in today's window, i can understand you. It means he could cost anything from 100 or 150 above based on the market rate but we can never know a true figure but for his class, he deserves to cost around that range.

Face palm.

You have reduced the talk to absurdities. Zidane and Neymar comparison only came up as overall worlds most expensive players.

joeace2020:
I will rather listen to CIES observatory who use scientific methodology to work out transfer figures than Eruditor who once again claims to be the bastion of knowledge when it comes to transfer figures.

Never made any claims. CIES might as well say Kane's balls are insured for $30M each so his value is 196+60M. And people will refer to it. I am agnostic to that type of reasoning.

But Fergie spent X starting from 1980s and Pep spent Y (including 2017s crazy market) type of arguments are mischievous. For lack of a better word.

Cruxifizio:
And according to you 7mil looks like a record signing or spending big for a player like vidics calibre in 2006, right ? Ok!

Goodmorning bros....

Nobody called it a record signing. But any person who says Fergie spent 7M on Vidic yet Mou spent 30M on unknown Lidellof and does not bring in the market era is waffling.

joeace2020:
As for the rest i can't reply them, i fear my IQ might suffer irreparable damage if i try.

It might actually improve. At least to the point where you would know formulas don't work in Market eras. Just like world record Maradona of £5m in 1984, the Napoli owner felt would double what RM paid for CR7.

joeace2020:
You now have plus added to your figures. So you are gradually accepting you don't know what people cost so it was dumb to just drop straight figures before rather than give estimates.

How do you maintain SAFs £500M in 26 years argument when Zidane was bought for £56M and Sigurdsson cost Everton only 6M or so shy off that value in todays market.

Would I be remiss to say Zidane's £56M in 2001 is akin to Neymar's £196M today?

What would you now call people who are asking you for a formula to justify saying Zidane could have as well gone for 196M today.?

Cruxifizio:
It will seem redundant to you because your claims are redundant in itself.....

This is so fvcking funny.....

How do you even compare market values between two different periods without mathematics? Smh!!

You obviously don't know what you are talking about...

And how was ibras valuation similar to that of lukaku? What type of rubbish are you trying to sell here Bros?

Trust me, I have never known any life in further or regular mathematics outside A1. Don't sweat it.

When comparing market eras those indexes are just rubbish. So no need to bring it up for brownie points.

When Ibra was bought in 2010 he was the most expensive striker I presume. That is what Lukaku is today.

So the man who spent 60M on Ibra in 2010 did not spend less than Mou did for Lukaku in 2017. Because in todays market, the most expensive striker is £100M.

joeace2020:
How they arrived at a Kane fee. Erudition how do you arrive at yours?

Anyone who is to buy Kane today would pay higher than what Lukaku cost United. That is, a record must be broken.

Now that is similar to what Newcastle needed to do to get Shearer in 1996.

Therefore, Kevin Keegan does not spend money like Pep. He spent £15M on Shearer but Pep the Chequebook manager spent 27M on Gabriel Jesus arguments don't make sense. You see why?

Because what Kevin Keegan did for Shearer, would be what anyone would need to do for Kane.

So if I say Shearer in 1996 is worth £100m+ in today's market. It is logically consistent. QED.

Cruxifizio:
Just take a look at the bolded below;



Who knew vidic here before he joined manU or you want to tell us you scouted him from red star Belgrade to spartak Moscow before he joined man U?

Brother Eruditor........ English and Mathematics are two totally different kettles......you cannot make strong claims like this without any tangibles to justify your claims....it will simply not work sir.

Like...nobody knew him but United paid £7M for him in 2006. Therefore Fergie does not spend.

BushWickBill:
That is your opinion.
You can fück it in the asś for all I care.
Tell us how you arrived at your figures or end this stale drivel

Compare the markets. Simple.

BushWickBill:
Your logic gets worse by the post.

So Ben Johnson in 1988 would shatter the 100m world record today, by your own logic?

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What you should ask is..the endorsement deals or the prize money for the Olympics etc is it the same today as it was in 1988?

Cruxifizio:
Mind you this was the first post you reacted to below....

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You have failed to come up with a direct answer for the bolded rather you have been caught picking random names and attaching fictitious market figures to support your claim without any mathematical proof to back your claims up.

If i ask you how much a 57mil or 60mil pounds ibrahimovic who Pep bought in 2008 will cost in todays market......what will be your response?

Dani alves in 2008 for 32mil will cost how much today?

How much will a 40mil David villa cost in todays market?

How much will an injury free 29year old Henry's 16.1mil pounds,arsenal legend cost your darling club in todays market?


I will like to see the figures you will attach to these names in todays market....

You are asking redundant questions.

If Ibra was the record fee for a striker in 2008 his valuation is similar to Lukaku's. Dani Alves for Kyle Walker's and so on considering they were the record fees for their positions. Logical reasoning is not hard.

All these questions about mathematical whatever is unfounded I may even say nonsensical because we are not evaluating fiscal inflation but the market today compared to whenever is being discussed.

joeace2020:
We've gone past what players in Fergie's time and now cost. We want to know how you are able to pull out figures. 75 million for Ferdinand, 200 million for that player from old.. How do you get your exact figures?

The figure that was coughed out for VVD is equivalent to what Fergie did to Leeds: Broke a world record for a defender.

BushWickBill:
Oga please conjecture cannot be the basis for any factual argument.
I cannot take you seriously on the basis of conjecture and random comments based on emotion.

If you can't prove this assertion with mathematical facts then let's drop this because you are beginning to sound funny

So who will take you seriously when you say Fergie spent only £500M in his 26 years at United when Juxtaposing with today's market? A player of Vidic's calibre would he be bought for £7M today?

If you want to know what he would cost, then simply find out how much the top defenders cost today. QED.

joeace2020:
And he claims to be an Erudite. How he comes up with figures players in the past cost and then bodly tells us that is what so and so on the last year of his contract would have cost now. Hell dude doesn't even sound like he listens to himself before making these unverifiable claims. Before the Neymar deal nobody ever thought players would cost northwards of €200mil in this era, after the Neymar deal, market has seen prices go up but that doesn't mean what dembele cost in the TW last year is what a young skillful player say from the 90's who hasn't achieved anything will cost now. For all we know the figure could be anything except certain indices are used to determine the actual figure it will be now. The same way these indices by CIES observatory have been used to predict what Lukaku, Rashford, martial and several players might cost now. If he had given us that to back his wild statements, atleast it would make some sense since experts have actually analyzed this with whatever factors they used to reach a sensible figure. Imagine saying RVP's cost some 6 years ago cost is what Salah will cost now.. I can't even make sense out of it.

You are not making sense of it because you are simply not making sense.

How will Fergie buy a star £1M in 1988 which may have been a world record. Then someone, in 2018 will say Fergie only spent £1M and Manager X Y Z has spent £30M on one player.

What a logical person will ask is if £30M today is a world record fee? If it is not, then bringing up Fergie's spending today is illogical. QED.

BushWickBill:
Except that you haven't managed to tell us how you arrived at your conclusion.

Your post is based on nothing but pure conjecture.

No facts, stats figures, indices.

It is justified conjecture.

Maradona was bought for £5M in 1984 (before WC 86 so fully in his prime). That was a world record fee. Only a mischievous person will now say the Napoli coach never spent as much as Allegri to win a title seeing that Higuain was bought for £75M in 2016.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/napoli/story/3060404/diego-maradona-cost-twice-as-much-as-cristiano-ronaldo-ex-napoli-president

dejaiye:
Let's even agree that Rio is worth that amount in today's market.

How many players did SAF buy in that summer 2002/03 season?

Did he also buy new set of full backs for almost 150m? Did he also buy another centre back worth of Laporte in January transfer window?

You've been hammering this since. Did SAF spend this worth of money in two seasons or one season. Bring out a season where SAF even spend 100m.

If you were getting the gist of the convo your questions will be redundant.

Fergie yanked RVP for £24M. Today that is like getting Salah or Kane on the last year of their contract. He would have paid at least £60M.

Wayne Rooney at £30M+ 2004 will be 2.5 times with English hype.

I can go on and on. That £500M he spent in his whole career would easily surpass £2B in today’s market.

CapitalCee:
By the end of 2012 Jose has spent 2 seasons in laliga and just wrapped up the league with a record point total. Will you say he has dominated Laliga? You can say he dominated that season not dominating the league. Check your grammar bro

He did not.

By match day 35 he was only 4points ahead of Barca with a game at Nou Camp coming up.

Yes he won the league with 100points but Barca had 91 and drew the last game of the season after losing 2-1 to RM 3 games prior.

So the league was not wrapped up by December. Barca beat RM more times than RM beat them. Barca won the spanish cup. Barca conceded less goals than RM.

CapitalCee:
Sorry I mean to say stones. I did not say he bought Mangala he met him.

BTW which scientist derived that equation for you that you are throwing around? What mathematical principle are u using to arrive at that equation. Even in your flawed mathematics, Fergie did not still buy 5 defenders at 20m during his time.

I only did simple rationing. If I wanted to be exacting I would say Walker and co would have been 10-15M because that was the price of other good defenders under Rio.

As for the maths, if VVD is 75M. And Rio was 30M then a 50M player should have been 50/75 ×30 in Rio's day.

CapitalCee:
Who told you they did not Dominate? You think it's easy to run EPL, FA cup and UCL and still be winning games easily? United knocked out Barca, Inter, Juve and Bayern enroute winning that champions league that's 8 pulsating games. They beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Alan Shearers Newcastle to win that FA cup. This city team despite all the hype did not beat any decent team in the champions league. Why are we even debating this ? You should be making comparison with the United team of 2013 with this team not the legendary treble winners. That Joses Chelsea of 2004-2006 will hand this city team a thrashing talk more of the treble winners.

Conjecture.

You can knock teams out without dominating them. ATM knocked PSV out 2 or 3 seasons back on penalties after home and away 0-0.

They eked a win against Arsenal in the FA Cup.

This City team are in the quarters. They beat who was in front of them.

Jose's Chelsea scored 74 goals in EPL. Pep's team has 90.
Mou's team had 95pts. Pep's has 84 with 6 games to go.

That United team is only remembered for the treble. Without it they were average winners like Fergie's first title with 65points or so.

CapitalCee:
All fergie's defenders that time were not 30m it was on Rio that cost that. Pep has spurned 54m on walker, 57m on laporte, 50m on sterling and 52m on mendy. When he already have 50m Mangala and 35m Otamendi. They are not the same

Chill. He did not buy Otamendi and Sterling or Mangala.

Now if the world's most expensive defender is £75M compared to £50M average Pep spent on some defenders. It means Walker and co who are in that range would have been £20M in Fergies 2001 days. I did the maths;

50/75 × 30M = 20M

CapitalCee:
Lol. I tot I was the only one that saw that ridiculous post. He downplayed the teams winnings and ended up mentioning a team that never played any finals.
He forgot that if not for ovrebo and that stupid ref that sent RVP off against Barca in 2011, pep would have no UCL till date

I have discussed Ovrebo before. Let me reiterate my position on him:

To "help" Barca, Ovrebo gave them a wrong-red card to a wrong player when Barca were down 1-0 and on aggregate to an imperial Chelsea side that were home. Knowing full well that Ini would score a screamer from long range in the last second of the game.

As for RVP, Arsenal deserved to beat Barca with 1 shot on target (own goal) and 19% of the ball after denying Barca a stonewall penalty in the first half when it was 1-0 to Barca. Agg at that time was (2-2 with Barca leading on away goals when that penalty was denied).

CapitalCee:
Double is not treble . And considering the difference is the UCL it's no mean feat. That united team, did not lose any match from Christmas till early the next season in ALL COMPETITIONS

They drew a whole lot of games.

And yes double is not treble but that was not a dominant display that season. That is my point. Arsenal could easily have won the league and cup.

But not this season. The league was wrapped up in December. So it is wrong to say that United team was miles ahead of this City.

elrony:
Let's not try stretching this further.
At least you get the point now!

If Conte wins the league with Chelsea next season, a case can be made that he has dominated the PL.
Same for Pep and any other manager.

Like I said, you make a good argument which I do not refute. But dominance is not only in longevity.

Style. Stats. Manner. Are other contexts.

joeace2020:
Whats sad about that post is that it ridicules uniteds success in the FA cup, ucl and league and then tells us a team who is doing well in one of these tournaments bests the one who did well in 3. The way these pep ppl think go make u wonder say na this planet them dey type from or from another dimension

I did not ridicule United.

I am showing how you can win without being "dominant".

joeace2020:
You are not still makinh sense bro.. How can you just say Denison`s transfer fee should translate to £200 million pounds now. How? how did you land on £200 mil this era

You are doing this on purpose.

The most expensive car in 1998 will not be as expensive as the most expensive car today.

So if Fergie only needed £30M to buy that car in 2001, he would have needed £70M+ today. Period.

CapitalCee:
How can an Arsenal that went out in the 2nd qualifying round of the ucl win treble?

I said double. Read me.

elrony:
Nah, you're just trying to create an argument in your sub.

I was on to my Uncle's opinion that Pep has dominated the PL.
Never downplaying his achievement but emphasis on "dominate" which for now is far fetched!

For all it's worth, he's no different from Ranieri & Conte of previous seasons.

Heck, I might even call this league title a fluke when City wins it and still be correct in the premise of "awaiting a repeat of another title win"

Case in point , Leicester City!

I get that part and you make a good argument.

But Dominate means; wrapped up by December. 18 straight wins. Possession. Goals.

Usain Bolts dominated Athletics even before winning multiple titles. He dominated the 2008 Olympics because of the record time and distance between him and 2nd at almost cruise control.

joeace2020:
So finally we have the newly invented device for Player valuation. Throw in the name of any player from an era and it will calculate. Please Eruditor how much will cryuff cost now, pele, gerd muller...how much will they cost now?

You are trying hard not to get the point.

Denilson the dribbler was once most expensive player ever at £21M. The coach that bought him then cannot say I spent way less than Unai Emery. Got it?

Because £21M then did what £200M did this season.

elrony:
More than £200m

Exactly.

So when Fergie did that for Ferdie. It means he would have needed same amount this season if he wanted VVD.

Thus, rubbishing the Fergie spent bla bla in 26 years.

Leyqute:
If, as an erudite, you can't figure out your goof by yourself your moniker needs to be demoted to "Dejo".

The person who goofed needs you to bail him out.

Managers are not judged by when they won anything. Or else, if Pep wins UCL this season El Rony is allowed to ask why he did not win it last season?

Kapische?