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SmooshCHN:
I vex no be small.. I vex. All I saw was sheer laziness.. Steve Kerr was right, the guys played like they didn't even care for a win. I don't want us to play OKC first round.. Cos the way momentum shift from 3-1 to 3-4, e fit happen.. KD, Klay and Draymond just choked. No excuses and i don't believe in one imaginary switch.. We no dey play better game at all.

Did you see the Rockets vs OKC game? Bad refereeing can destroy any game and Rockets tasted what they had enjoyed for most of the season.

Instead of worrying about beating Pelicans (who deserved to win) we should care more about getting into the playoffs healthy. I don't judge bad performances in isolation. The regular season means nothing. I just need motivated players when the time is right. Only thing that disappointed me yesterday was that we have been bad in the 4th quarter in close games. That is the only issue.

ollah2:
Oga you that is a graduate with good English. What's your account balance? If you want perfect English comments, head to the education section.

Why should the argument be about Pep alone? If you call out Pep, why should the rest be ignored? Yes Klopp dealt with him despite the meagre budget, but Jose is exonerated right? Is Sevilla budget close to Liverpool let alone that of Man United?

Wasn't Ancelotti sacked despite inheriting a double winning team? Why is he exonerated?

Don't let him turn the argument into Pep.

I can't discuss the credentials of someone who is on course for a domestic double after they said he won't win a spoon.

The only thing being discussed is how SAF spent over 624M in 26 years in United of which I said would easily have been 2B in today's market.

raumdeuter:
That's why I always say many posters here struggle with logic.

It's like your dad(Ferguson) saying as a 40yr old man he was able to take care of a family of 6 with 5k monthly salary in 1990, so you(Guardiola) should be able to do the same now with 10k a month in a family of 6 in 2018

LOL.

joeace2020:
It's now 70M+ after i took you to the cleaners.

I have actual pity for you because you think intelligence is by voting.

Nihilstjnr:
Also I think Eruditor's logic is sound.

We must never forget that Ferguson was breaking British and World transfer records upandan until Roman came to save the EPL from the clutches of the Scottish devil.

Ferguson even broke transfer record twice in the same window on at least one occasion.

The mathematics of the equivalent value is just an irrelevant distraction that Scummies are using to deflect from the simple fact that PDP was the original PEP.

I mean, someone purchased Veron for 28M, Rio 30M in 2001. So his spending is 58M. Another purchases Pogba 89M and VVD 75M in 2016/17 (164M). Then people say the latter has spent 106M more than the former and when you tell them to compare the different markets. The "Logic" you start getting is, "SAF did not spend in 92. He spent in 98. Show us a formula. You are tied in torturous knots. Take your L".

afrodoc2:
His logic is not sound. He has tied himself in a tortuous knot of his own pseudopods, the flagrant amoeba.

Now let us bury this Fergie misconception once and for all.

Fergie won the EPL 7 times in 9 seasons from 1992 to 2001 AND NEVER ONCE TOPPED the Total spending chart.

The first time Fergie topped the total spending charts in the EPL was in 2001 after he had already won 7 league titles, 3 FA Cups and 1 champions league title.

For those who don't have A1 in Further Mathematics. Throughout the 90s when Fergie was truly dominating the EPL with 7 EPL titles, 3 FA cups, and also won 1 champions league title he never was the top spender in the EPL in any season

You are making emotional arguments. If that were not so, I don't need any history about what he won. His winningness is not being questioned.

SAF came 1986 and did not win the EPL till 92/93. Why will I evade all those years to argue he did not top the spending in 92/93?

I can as well say he needed 6 YEARS of spending to compete whereas Pep needed 2. Which will spur a whole new discussion that deviates from the original.

The fact remains that Pep's spendings and SAFs can only be compared based on what they represented not in the position of spending.

To that end, a 28M Veron (English record for a midfielder) can be compared with an 89M for Pogba because they represent the same thing.

To leave that and start prating on about top 6 spending or making yourself judge and jury all in one smacks off the "community argument" you guys do here.

Oasis007:


The emboldened is exactly what I'm talking about, that's one of the Variables you are failing to understand. Chelsea is a big Club, also a big Spender, hence that does not determine the real Value of Stones.

Has Stone proven himself yet?! What about Laporte....... £57m?! Is he better than Lindelof United paid £30m+ to secure?! Pep is spending recklessly and outrageously to win the League, that's the Point.

Laporte, Stones ain't a better Player than Adarabioyo. Hence during Ferdie Era, how much do you think both Laporte and Stones would cost?!

La Porte had transfer clause. Totally different. He was waaay less without the clause.

The point about Stones is..in this day and age his value was 50M. Let me even just go as recent as when Smalling was a hot prospect. How much was he?

Oxlade Chamberlain was 35M in this market. And Cantona was 1.2M. Andy Cole was 7M. Is it fair to compare?

eph12:
Seriously? Just two years of Pep?

No be you talk say SAF spend only £500M in 26 years and that Pep has spent close to that in 2 years.

In the late 80s top players were 750k-13M. In fact 13M was the world record in 89. 5M was world record in 84.

So is it fair to compare Neymar's 200M value to Maradona's own of 5M ?

Different markets. My summary.

Cruxifizio:
Please this was the question that started everything.....no one should allow eruditor deviate from the answer he responded with earlier....cuz I no understand this dayos clone

Someone came here and said Fergie spent £500m in his United career (26 years) compared to same figure for Pep in 2 years.

I said £500M from (1986-2013) in terms of buying players is not on the same pedestal as the market Pep is in. That we would have to adjust SAFs own.

I gave an example: Rio for 30M in 2001 who would be 70M+ going by VVDs figure. What have I deviated from?

patrickmuf:
When we talk about the amount Pep has spent compared to Fergie, you run around shouting inflation but look at you making reference to the point gap back then, how about we tell you that the Arsenal team in question back then was miles ahead of the one Pep is up against and that United team would have gone toe to toe with the present Man City team?
You see, the point gap you're highlighting only shows you how good a competition we were up against...
This is the premier league, we have seen it all, Andrew Johnson came and scored so much but after that season? He disappeared like the fart of a leprosy witch (coogar of blessed memory)
Darren Bent nkor?
Papisse Cisse most recently came and was scoring all manner of outstanding goals but where e dey now?
Talking managers, where's Ranieri?
Where is that Portuguese guy that was sacked recently by Watford, remember he was the rave of the moment after his stint with Hull City?
Who is talking about Conte now?
It takes more than a season of fine performances and winning trophies to be reckoned with.

That Arsenal team better than this one ? Yes.

But Liverpool..Chelsea..Tottenham are waaay better than the ones in that year so balances it out more than well.

United with 78points compete with a team that has 84 after 32 games. Haba.

Oasis007:


Yeah..... what you are failing to understand is simple as ABC. Let's assumed the same Stone Man City bought for £50m was priced by Southampton instead of Man City, do you think £50m would have been the Price?!

You ain't living up to your Moniker, coz I expect much from you than the warped Logic you are serving us. Also, I'm kinda sure your Eyes are clear that you've goofed but you don't wanna admit it.

Raumdeuter jumped in at some Points, but he quickly learned he ain't gonna win or able to twist the Argument - he jumped off and disappeared. You've failed to prove your Points beyond reasonable Doubt, hence I advise you to quit and enjoy some Sleep.

When you guys are fixed..next button is name calling.

Chelsea tried to get Stones earlier the figure was the same. Everton wanted something huge for him. Simple.

The question should be, would Stones have cost 50M in Fergie's day? Not at all. So a manager who paid 10M for Stones in 2001 for e.g is not less of a spender than the one that coughed out 50M for him in 2016. Markets changed.

afrodoc2:
Erudite nonsense.

We showed with net spend that Pep was no 1 while Ferguson was no 6 and no 3, he changed shape to total spend.

We showed with total spend that Pep was still a bigger spender than Ferguson compared to contemporaries, he changed shape with pre-EPL spending.

Now we have shown with pre-EPL that Pep was even a much bigger spender, i expect another shape change.

Gentlemen we are combating an amoeba here. While Dayo merely turns amala, this one extends and retracts pseudopods.

To have good netspend you must sell players of great value. Netspend does not work here.

If you jump 5 seasons of Fergie coaching to talk about 92/93 total spend it is skewed.

If you compare Fergie's total spending with the rest of his contemporaries in England, that is fair. Only snag is this is pre-Fergie winning the substantials.

Fergie built his title winning 92/93 squad over years buying and buying and offloading where necessary to have that squad. He effectively had a better squad than most. That is BTW.

The crux of the issue is Fergie's united total spendings to Pep's in 2 years. I am saying you would inflate Fergie's to the present day market to compare properly.

eph12:
In this same era that Barca got Dembele for a 100+, LFC got Salah for much more less.

Don't forget most of the players Pep bought around 2008-2010 will go for double triple fees these days.

My point exactly.

So is it not one-kain for people to use a managers spending power in 1989 to compare with even mediocre clubs in 2017. The mediocre clubs may still spend more because of the market today.

afrodoc2:
Hehehe this guy went to rifle through my records. Well i have to say i was impressed with my scores also, thanks for mentioning it. LOL

A1 should be top score for an erudite person, so Ferguson signed Bryan Robson? Abi wetin concern Robson with this matter?
You want to add Robson that was bought 5yrs before Fergie became Utd manager? Are you well sir?

Okay Mr A1, in Ferguson's 1st ever season in English league (86/87) his net spend was -3m pounds which was DEAD LAST in the league.
Oya change to another shape you irredeemable shape shifter. hehehe

No I actually mentioned it to praise you.

But we have gone back to net spend.

If I sell 100M and buy 103M my netspend will be 3m. It can be dead last even if Woking spent only 4M on 5 players and sold none.

Oasis007:
Dear Eruditor..... sometimes you win, while Sometimes you learn. You can't win this Argument with your pre-nursery arithmetic Logic.

You spent whole Night making no sense, cos you are still unable to prove your Points mathematically and scientifically. This ain't a simple arithmetic Class where Kids are learning Multiplication and Addition of Numbers?!

There should be a formula, or a Theory that clearly explains how you arrive at the Figures you are quoting. The Stone that City bought for £50m could be bought by another Club for a lesser Price cos he's not a proven Talent yet.

Thus there factors and variables that must be considered, analyzed and scientifically proven but you are only proving your Points with simple Arithmetic.

If you are a Scientist, the World wouldn't have developed a bit, coz you would have woefully failed to propound a Theory or make a worthy Discovery.

LOL.

Formula.

Cruxifizio:
Ask him what he thinks of fraudiolas decision to buy pique for £4mil pounds

Pique Fergie preferred Johnny Evans over? Bought in 2008?

What is the question? That Westbrom asked 35M for Johnny Evans in todays market? So anyone who bought him was a big spender?

CapitalCee:
Nawao this guy who did this to you? How can you compare Vidic the spartak Moscow player to Kante the EPL winner. You have to give credit to the managers that unearthed these gems and turned them to world class.

It is the normal way you guys argue here. You bring out something absurd and insist that is the opposition's position.

Even when Kante came to Leicester he was unknown. After the Leicester season he had some buzz but not PFA player buzz. He was signed for 30M. A year later, an older Matic** (meant to type Matic not Vidic) and Baka are purchased for figures higher than that.

afrodoc2:
Lol Mr A1 you don enter sunken place. Oya hear this one.....

In Fergies 1st EPL season (92/93) his TOTAL spend was 3.53 m pounds which was (wait for it) SIXTH, behind Blackburn Rovers, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Aston Villa.
In Pep's 1st EPL season his TOTAL SPEND was 213m pounds which was 1ST in the league.

In Fergies's 2nd EPL season his TOTAL spend 8.5m pounds which was 2ND in the league behind Blackburn Rovers.
In Pep's 2nd EPL his total spend was again 315m pounds which was AGAIN 1ST in the league.

Again for those who do not have A1 in Further Maths, Fergie was 6th and 2nd in total spend in his first 2 seasons in the EPL while Pep led in his first 2 seasons in total spend (and led by a mile).

760 in GRE Q should be a top score for a doctor.

Please, don't tell me Fergie came 1992. He had coached since 86 so did he not sign then? Can we calculate how much he spent compared with the world recording signings of that era to see what the value will be today?

Cantona and Brian Robson cost over £2.5M together. Those were not shabby figures in that day.

CapitalCee:
Laporte- 57m, Walker 52m, Danilo 27m, Mendy 52m, Ederson 35m, BernardoSilva 46m. I think you need to recalculate. Probably you didn't add Laporte his January panic buy

He said NET spend. Should I be helping you out?

CapitalCee:
You must be very disinginous. I said Maguire and Robertson. For all we know, Vidic was a steal at 7m pounds. If Rio can cost 30m in 2001 Vidic for 7m in 2007 was a coup by all standard, why are you trying to be dishonest. Vidic was not known at all. It was reminiscent of the 6m Kante deal from cean of France. Stop being dishonest this man

Why not say Kante to Chelsea at £30M was a steal? Was it not? Should he not be more expensive than Vidic and Baka?

Rio is english so his valuation was hype. £7M in 2006 from wherever he came from was big money then. Today, even as an unknown prospect, he would have cost 30M. Just like Lindeloff.

joeace2020:
Again, stupidity strikes.

Don't worry. It is you the patent office has for your special brand of stupidity.

afrodoc2:
Since we can't derive an almighty formula to adjust money value over different eras and we can't agree on CIES findings, the next best thing is to compare the advantages this financial might and purchasing power gave each person compared to his contemporaries.

That is where Fergie was king at least till Roman came. Of course Blackburn had a run in 1995 but that was about it. United were by far the richest club in most of Fergies era.

afrodoc2:
In Ferguson's 1st EPL season (92/93) his net spend was 1.4m pounds which was 6TH in the league, behind Blackburn Rovers, Sheffield Wednesday, Aston Villa, Oldham Athletic, Leeds United.
In Pep's 1st EPL season his net spend was abut 180m pounds which was 1ST in the league.

In Ferguson's 2nd EPL season his net spend was 7.53m pounds which was 3RD behind Blackburn Rovers and Man City.
In Pep's 2nd EPL season his net spend was 223m pounds which was again 1ST in the league.

So to clarify for those without A1 in Further Maths, Pep has led the league in net spend in his first 2 seasons in the EPL while Fergie was 6th and 3rd in his first 2 seasons.

Cheeky. Your clever infusion of net spend.

Well it was not net spend that Fergie had £500m. And £500M for Pep in 2 seasons for City is not net spend either.

CapitalCee:
You must be the Personal Assistant to Woodward. Who valued him? From where? From your room Abi? You have turned from mathematician to a valuer abi

I thought it was an open secret. You have my permission to check online.

CapitalCee:
Oga Vidic was not world class when he joined. You can't be world class at Red star Belgrade and spartak Moscow. Who did this to you?

Another absurdity.

Is Lindeloff world class? Eric Baily? Well they cost more than Vidic too.

If you refuse to see that the market then let hot prospects leave at £7M when similar prospects are valued 4.5times higher in todays market. Abi how much was Baily?

CapitalCee:
how did man u pay 35m on Sanchez? And for ur info, it's only a chequebookiola that will fork out 70m for Sanchez. No other manager will do that

Don't worry about what he will pay. He did not.

How much was Mhiki?

joeace2020:
Hahaha.. Gosh! My belle wan burst.

United did not value Rooney at £10M?

CapitalCee:
And liecester spent 8m on Harry Maguire and Liverpool spent 8m on Andy Robertson.

And they are world class defenders in the guise of Rio and Vidic.

joeace2020:
Okay you saying every most expensive player before and after Zidane should cost what Neymar cost today. Neymars figure is the standard for all most expensive players from the past. Lawd it gets absurd every minute.

I am saying, if Del Bosque says I spent less than Unai Emery as a manager, Unai will say to him "Zidane that you paid £56M for in 2001 would have cost you what we paid for Neymar in 2017".

If your reasoning is faulty you do realize it has nothing to do with me?

CapitalCee:
God bless u. The dude keep throwing ridiculous figures up and down. If in 2013 fergie bought RVP for 24m and by his fictitious mathematical model it's the world record st that time, then David villa in 2010 for 40m wil be around 150m, will Zlatan in 2009 will be 200m, Dani Alves will be 80m, chygrinskiy will 70m, by the time we are done, cheque fraudiola will be spending the 5b pounds equivalent.

This reasoning will keep you doing PhD for 10 years like GEJ.

RVP 31 goal striker is one 1 year left. Fergie forks out £24M for him. In 2017, Alexis is in the same boat and Arsenal say bring 70M. Nobody pays. 6 months left, United offer a 35M signing for Alexis. So indirectly they paid 35M for a player with 6 months left.

If I say RVP in 2012 (1 year left) at 24M would have cost Fergie 70M 2017 it is logically consistent.

joeace2020:
I keep telling you you aren't intelligent.. take it from me. Did Dortmund consult CIES to value their player? Did Barca do that for Neymar? But does that dispute the fact that by actual mathematical analysis current price for a player can be determined. So will Lukaku cost £140 million now even though CIES says that's what he now costs? Is the final valuation not down to the club and not transfer guru Eruditor or CIES. I have told you value a player by estimates because you have used any methodology to work out your figures. Nobody including CIES knows what that player will eventually go for.

So where did anyone categorically say "this is definitely what Player A will go for"?

If these clubs don't use your CIES why are you brandishing it like war booty?

Cruxifizio:
Bros...not to disrespect you in anyway....pls apply your A1 in further mathematics here and tell us the brownies you have chosen to throwaway because they may probably make more sense than the ewa agoyin you have been trying to sell to us here....


Who is this £100M most expensive striker?

I know united paid 75mil for 24yr old lukaku with 15mil for add-ons totalling 90M while Juventus paid 75mil for a 30yr old higuain......but we should ignore their age since it is only one of the irrelevant brownies and declare lukaku the most expensive striker in the world.

Goodmorning again Bros....

I am just using raw figures and my estimation of Lukaku at £100M is his value if you consider Rooney was included in that (£90M) deal. That is by the way.