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Etinosa1234:
Probably wonderful
The link u posted says that the Ogiso was not really a dynasty
The remaining 20 ogisos were in no way related to the other...
And it didn't attribute the Ada and eben to Ogiso ere
It also posted that there were not historical evidence

Apparently ur proof isn't proof enough

I really decided to come back because of this

this part is absolutely right that most of the ogiso were not related but the were chosen in form of odionwere in some case and they were also selected base on the strangest.

so majority of the ogiso were not related please take note please.

AreaFada2:
Ovbie Eweka n'okaro me khin. Rumwunda Ozolua n'iboromi Ero bie Ogie Ogho ne Edo n'ekue tiere Owo. Oba Esigie ero bie Ogie Ukpele, no vbe sike Owo.

Lamogun ma tue vbe owie. Ovbie Umogun. Ivbioba hia ke Egbe Eweka n'okaro gha de hia.

Ovbie Enogie Edo vbe khin. Eseserese Edo.

Eguae Enogie erha ima n'okhua ere Ina ka mien okoro Solomon Aiguobasimwin vbe ore re Edaiken. Okoro no ghi do rie Erediauwa vb'Edo.

I tuo kakabo ovbi eguae n Oba n Edo. sokpan na laho na ghe gi Edo wi. na deba eguae dole Edo yi

Ekpen we khin ovbie Oba n Edo.

Etinosa1234:
Bro help ur self

Search the book on google books

U can’t be able to download it tho but u can search keywords from the quote she put out as coming from Dmitri bodarenko
Try searching "the third ogiso"

I just did and I didn’t find anything as the third ogiso came from ife as she put it

She’s just dishing out lies

What she quoted is not in the book

Etinosa u are noted tu gha tu to mwen a saka

the book she is talking about is what I have known very well with time but u see the third ogiso is "Orire"

weather she quotes lies that is not my concern but I know my history and where am from and with God's grace am a half descendant of the great "Ogierunmwanbo N Oka" from my maternal angle and am a descendant of the Enogie of Ute in Orhionmwon LGA whose son was Udugbamen
and my morning greeting is Lagite I.e "Egite no rhien mwen vbe gbe hia".
so every body should know their history and stop claiming seniority over another although it's undeniable that in the 16 century Benin empire was unstoppable but we still respect the dignity of various tribes that was in the empire during it glory days by still appointing various person from various tribes into office in the palace till date.
for me the problem we have in Nigeria is tribalism and it has eaten deep into the nation fabric.

it is time historians start to study not for tribal benefit but to harness the cultural potential of the various tribes in Nigeria and see the country to a greater height because this nation is really blessed culturally.

love live FRN

SIGN OUT AND PEN DOWN .

see u when I come back ����

I don't know if anyone can prove wrong on this that


Benin among all Nigeria tribe have had the best recording system which was done by either by

the artifact of the king or

the curved standing wood known as "ukhure" representing each king that have passed and this ukhure is handle by the "isekhure of Benin"

the position of all "ukhure" is known as erhinmwidu (spirits of Edos). this is so because the Oba is the mirror of all Edo worldwide so when he passed he carried along the spirit of those that passed when he was Oba because in Benin the world revolve round the Oba and all this is him

the palace of the isekhure of Benin is located in Sokponba road after the popular igun street and the current isekhure of Benin is "Nosakhare Isekhure"


Oba gha to kpere
Edo gha to kpere

ISEEEEEEEEEEE!!.

TAO11:
Lol. No that’s what all your people think. See attached for a translation from one of your own webpages:

https://www.edo-nation.net/appell.htm

There is no such thing as Izoduwa. It’s a fictional character made up in the 1970s.

The story of Ekaladerhan was published as early as the year 1903 — and Ekalderhan’s story ended at Ughoton.

The Izoduwa fraud emerged in the 70s when when fraudulent additions were made to the Ekaladerhan story.

But guess what, historian regard the Izoduwa fraud as an interesting nonsense.

I will provide you with references if you will be willing to read.

I give it to you Binis when it comes to fiction and imaginations.

You all should make world’s bestsellers in fiction categories.

You haven’t cited one historical source throughout all this to back up any of your imaginations.

let me ask you but I don't know if you understand edo language but u should think it through yourself by trying with this

ovbi _child
Ada _ the curved sword
Ovbi _ child
Eben _ the pointed one

please where is owner there ? I don't know where u got owner from because owner in Benin is "na rhien" but i can't see it there or any other added words there

personally I know that praise you are talking about because I have been to the palace more than 4 times especially during coronation I was also at Usama palace where the Oba was crown

Usama palace was the first palace built in oronmiyans period and oronmiyan administration was done there up till Oba Ewedo ascended the throne

when it come to Benin words and meaning or history and even adage, it is in my blood and devotion. I personally have carried Edo study from almost all my life. most of the interpretation u give I just look at it and laugh and sometimes I don't feel like replying because I know u are not Benin

so madam let just leave Benin because it's more than what the ordinary person out there think it is ��

and respect for your time.

TAO11:
Have you ever come across the term onus probandi ??

If you haven’t then read up on that.

But to summarize it for you — it goes as follows:

You are not allowed to randomly accuse people of theft and then insist that it is they who must prove otherwise.

No it is you who accused that has the burden to prove your case.

Otherwise, people will leave their homes and return with many burden to prove themselves innocent because some random crack-heads are busy having fun accusing people without any responsibility to prove their own accusation.

I hope this summary should help you catch the strap. So, I’d be waiting for your evidence.

Even Tinubu laughed at your naiveness.

ok I don see tinubu laugh but please remind me what that Ada sword is called in ife ?

please stop interpreting Benin wrongly

ovbi Ada ovbi Eben_ son of Ada and Eben that is what that word means.
please stop the misinterprets if am wrong with that am sure another Benin person will correct me.

for the other one

Ovbi Oodua n Oba N uhe_Son of oodua the king of uhe (ife). this is so because it was izoduwa who was on the when the binis came to uhe and izoduwa in Benin is regarded as a god just like every other gods and in Benin god is also called oodua that is how the appellation came to be.

My greatest concern in all this is that Benin and Yoruba may had business and trade in the past but that does not make Benin to be Yoruba because Benin is even other than the said Yoruba.

kingship will tell that facts not myths

TAO11:
As promised the 1st two attached images depicts some modern use of these emblems — the 1st shows the Ooni before the present, while 2nd shows the Ooni before him.

The last two depicts an example of ancient archaeological reliefs excavated at Ife depicting these emblems.

this exactly the oronmiyan sword am talking about he took from Benin while he was leaving Benin and he took it all the way to where he died.

please do well to prove me wrong if it's not oronmiyan sword that you people call it

if it were already in ife before oronmiyan then am sure it would have had a particular name

my people what do u think?

TAO11:
The crux remains that your own traditions admit the following:

(1) That Ere introduced these symbols to ‘Benin’

(2) That he is an emissary from Ife.

Not my tradition — your tradition.

cc: Etrusen

ok Ere is now a Yoruba man now?
see let me tell you that's a very big lie

Ere was 100% product of Igodomigodo who was selected from among the people because that was how it was done not by primogeniture but by eldest and strongest.

my people reading this message listen very carefully to this

ife have recorded 51 ooni since inception and adding their mythical kings of obatala and the others it will be up maybe 60 by all different ages that pass through them.

But Benin have recorded 31 ogisos and a period of about 30 _40 years without a king after the end of ogiso era then Benin till date have recorded 40 obas making it 71 kings together with the no king period in Benin

the total point in this is that Benin is far older than ife and the time Ere ruled as ogiso Obatala was still looking for chain to come to the world��� and oduduwa was still looking for obatala to get drunk so he can over take him and fall directly to ife from the sky ��� or oduduwa was still running a marathon race coming mecca to ife���

look Benin is far bigger than how u view it
it was a home to tribes like
Idu_Benin
urhobos
isoko
agbor people
itsekiri
izons
Esans
Oras
and others
and the these tribes was even part of the ogisos
for example presently the Iyase of Benin is an Urhobo man, the Ezomo of Benin is an Esan man, during the reign of Oba Akenzua 11 the Adolo of Benin was an Izon man

TAO11:
You’re still failing hard to catch my point about IRRELEVANT questions and requests.

If I give it to you, what does that prove?

And if I do not have any other such picture, what does that prove?

If it will prove and change nothing, then your question or request is IRELEVANT.

Don’t you still get it?

madam you know about this
the only place in Yoruba land where those swords are found completely is ondo and Ekiti which was under Benin influence.
keep on arguing I am not a arguing type.

Tao11 if you wish go and bring the Ada sword that oronmiyan took from Benin that you people are now calling "oronmiyan sword".
those two swords have been in before oronmiyan was born and even before your mythical oduduwa dynasty and even those mythical obatala and others reign in Yoruba land but if you wish to continue your arguments I am not a woman I only discuss and back out when I don't see need to reply.

TAO11:
Because you didn’t ask a relevant question nor a clear question.

Do you mind putting forward whatever argument you have if you’ve gotten nothing to worry about.

I think that should help you this time around. So, let’s see.

give me any other symbol of that sword in ife.
I don't mean ondo and Ekiti because they were totally under Benin influence
so please Show me the picture of that sword in ife
if you don't answer the question like you did with other I will have to leave u

TAO11:
Found it where?

And how will your question change the fact that it was introduced to Benin by Ere who was an emissary from Ife according to your own accounts.

madam you did answer the question you just want argument which portray your woman hood
please answer the simple question and let's be done with this

gregyboy:
Ima emwen nu gben lahor degbe gben ladian d standard edo writing ologor na tie, try nu simplify
D writing vbe ni ya gbo go mwen


De Tua lowe voice note, toni aman se

oye vbu we ma rhien idu vbe Rio.��

TAO11:
Lol @ the bolded.

No, that is Ile-Ife the source of the official royal emblems of Yoruba and Benin kingdom kings.

In fact, the images up there are from the coronation of the Ijebu icon Sir Kessington Adebutu as the Odole Oodua at Ile-Ife.

Issuing those emblems for monarchs and high-ranking traditional Ife chiefs are standard practices. Social media age be making you all think otherwise.

The attached screenshots below should give some context.

madam I want a clear answer to this question
who found this sword we are talking about.

lx3as:
I'm cool, bro!
However, it would be nice if you all meet and agree on one story before you confront TAO11 that has been giving intelligent responses and great submissions. I believe she spares from her precious time to respond for posterity.

Oga Tao11 has done nothing to keep me out of answers u can ask her for your self.
I am not among those that can't prove what they argue except I want to be quiet for some reasons or when the opponent take it insulting then I will distance myself.

gregyboy:
erhinmwidu was an oba not ogiso, i dont know what you guys are aiming with this ogiso issue
Trying to turn myth into truth,


Ogiso never existed our kings were always oba

Benins have so many myth talking about the sky

Ogiso is fucking myth,


Unless you want to give me a tangible reasons why the transition between the ogiso and oba


Dont tell me that Oronmiyan shit if you're to give me any answer

AreaFada2, i am believing this is your second account if indeed he is truly not yoruba

otemwen o ghan I kakabo kponmwen we vbe vbin ya nu ta,sokpan I gha no we ote so, sokpan nu rie wanmwen yo mwen re.
okao vbo ore: ovbie seserese we khin ra? ke vbe we I gha vbe ro ni rhien igiogbe gbe nu ke re kevbu khu nu tue vbo wie vbe de gha gbe.
we gha setin rie mwanwen yo mwen re I gha khuene ota ya nu gha no mwen re, sokpu ma na setin khuene mwenre o ta ni no we re, u setin ya ne Oghidian no yan ason Adakamioruyen

tu gha to oten o ghan.������

gregyboy:
Oga go sit down, wetin u dey talk

Ogiso were just normal rulers then oromiyan came to displace them

You're not edo stop pretending


I ask you few questions and you were giv
giving me stories of how lazy you wers to typs, but you type a full page accolding TAO11

Oga

AreaFada2:
I am trying to understand what the argument is.

We always had obagodo. But Idu was the progenitor of Edo race. So both Obagodo/Ogiso, omonoba n'Edo and shortened form Oba and aboriginal Benin origin people descend from Idu.

So whatever name his descendants later became known by, he is their ancestor and rightly so that earliest Oba godo or Ogiso or Oba rightly had an ancestral shrine dedicated to him. Even families have own ancestral shrines with family ukhure unless those forming holier than the pope.

Our history is not dictated by others and we are not here to impress outsiders but portray it as accurately as learned traditional and modern researchers can honestly decipher.

you are absolutely right my brother but gregyboy is not understanding those facts

lx3as:
Weil on Mr Igodo!

Your tales by moonlight is becoming so irrelevant as you and your ilks are confused and can't even agree on one beer parlour's tales you call Bini history...

haha!!! you take am easy na

ogyunging:
I am male. I know the name is more of a female name. I have always wanted to find that out. Thanks again.

ok

ogyunging:
Thank you. Your doing a good job. Gratitude is a must.

you are well noted.
but please permit to ask if you are male or female because that name is more of a female name.

gregyboy:
Then oduduwa history should be believable by you too because he indeed also came from sky

If we africans can't still separate myth from truth then we will still be producing by government



If the rulers were not referd to ogiso i would probably had believed that there was transition between those rulers to the oba dynasty but for that single reasons they named the rulers ogiso has already singled it out

There is a benin myth we were thought in school
On how the cloud use to be close the earth and was so close to the ground that ine could stretch his hands and touch the clouds snd the clouds grew yams and if you needed to anything just reachout and take the food from the cloud, but it was forbidden not to finish what you took, a woman took yam from the cloud and couldn't finshed it, and the cloud vexed and went up high this is one of the benin myth

Even if you have benin scholars at your reach them telling stories doesn't equate to validity,

No one was present the time d ogiso ruled so when cant validate for anyone as telling a correct history even if from the palace, we can only gather information and draw valid possibilities from history

Oga I really admire your point that there always myth and there reality.
the only myth in the ogiso history is that igodo came from sky but that doesnt mean the dynasty was not real if you want us to talk about igodos origin, that will totally be a topic big than what we are saying. please I hope you are cleared?
And for your school myth u talked about and of oduduwa, they are mere myth but am not removing the fact that oduduwa could also be true but the yoruba historians have not really come to realize that basing oduduwa origin has falling from sky is something that's not possible and that makes it a total myth. if we should picture it from a biblical angle, the angels that came to fell in love with woman of mankind had winds but no account in oduduwa histry that says he had winds and also the angels and the women of mankind had children that was giants but no account of oduduwa says he was a giant.


so my brother their are one can believe in even when he was not there when it happen but I bet you myths can be easily figured out without a second thought.

one love bro

gregyboy:
You said the leader became ogiso (sky kings).abi does ogiso have another meaning again or maybe ogiso was the name of the oba


Ermwrwidu you mentioned possibly was an oba
And nothing more

Oga ogiso was just in form of Oba title given to any one who is crown but they have their own name added to the Oba e.g Oba Erediauwa and Oba Ewuare are they not two two people entirely ? but they have the "oba" added to their name to show who they are.
that is how it was in ogiso dynasty we have 31 ogisos before oba dynasty among whom are
Ogiso Igodo
ogiso Ere
ogiso Orire and so on.
please I hope this is clear ?

and for that of "erhinmwidu" you said
it is the ancestral alter for the past kings till date handled by the isekhure of Benin.
the erhinmwidu is always regarded as the number Oba of Benin deity because it's the mark of his fathers and father's fathers.
just like the name stands
erhinmwin_spirits
idu_ Edo
but because the Oba is Edo pillar all things revolve round him thats while have names like
obaredo
obarisiagbon
obayangbon
obaradesagbon. etc

please I hope you understand?

gregyboy:
Follow your Yoruba brothers

my brother am not a Yoruba man but Edo with 100% asset
I mean no insult na but for us to discuss with respect for each other dignity not insulting anyone online.
if you made a point and the other person is not acknowledging the point please leave him to go with his trouble rather insulting each other.

ogyunging:
Hello. Please what does Isoken mean?

satisfaction, self believe
e.g evbin nu Ru me se mwon ken

you will understand better if you can read Edo language but if you don't , it means "I am satisfied/grateful/happy with you have done for me"
it all depends on the context you using it ok?

RamessesIV:
And who told you that is peculiar to Edos or that is the same thing??

Yorubas and Edos share alot of cultural exchanges and similarities so is no surprise to see other ethnic groups using a similar sword

Yoruba from which state please.

Omanambala:
It's just a ward sword.....every tribe that has ever fought war pre-gun era has one. They may look different but Bini made eben popular. Anogu masquerades in my town carry something similar during uzo iyi festival

but please I need your help in locating the town Anogu masquerade are form��

Omanambala:
It's just a ward sword.....every tribe that has ever fought war pre-gun era has one. They may look different but Bini made eben popular. Anogu masquerades in my town carry something similar during uzo iyi festival

so are you trying to say the Ada and Eben having the same shape fell from the sky to every tribes ����

Etinosa1234:
U only experienced the reign of the oba

ok oo

AreaFada2:
Ogisos were already called Obagodo. I didn't think I should be explaining this again. I have since 2011 here on NL.

Omo n'oba n'Edo. The shining child of Edo.

A French prince used to be called Fils de France. Therefore a precious prince, the hope of ending an interregnum deserved many appellations.

please my brother let make some little correction there I.e the entire ogisos have their own name from one to 31 with the first name igodo that was were the name given the people came from "IGODO MI GODO" which literally means kings gives birth to king.
so please they have their own name each high percent of the ogisos were crown has odionwere form of ogisos then it was almost in form of no primogeniture but the oldest and strongest for the ogiso Emosee is sometimes considerer to be a woman by some historian while some say it was his mother's name he used as his name when he was crowned.
please ogiso is not a myth at all the only part which is really a meant is "Igodo falling from the sky" which then made the people tittle him as ogiso meaning king of the sky.

gregyboy:
The words of a mad woman, is are scornful words directed to her husband

I feel your pain am not your husband

Your brothers are so desperate they are now creating monikers identifying as benins to aid you on your lost battle against me....


Am many league ahead of you lots

haha!!! haba na wa oo take am easy na