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TAO11:
I have answered your dullard questions when I asked that you stop disgracing your family all over Nairaland after the terrible dragging I gave you.

Again, your picture was once on Nairaland, and as such many people would have known both you and your family.

So, stop hiding behind the supposed facelessness on Nairaland to keep disgracing yourself and your innocent family — it is not so faceless for you particularly.

If Oba Ewuare II finally get your time to trace you concerning all your sacrilegious statements against him and his ancestors; it is then you would realize that those OPC he (Ewuare II) recently brought to Benin are not for jokes after all.

�� it's always fun to meet with new people

TAO11:
Lol @ strike fear.
Weytin we go do, we sha no fit leave dem to dey lie dey go.
May be if I leave Naiaraland sha oo.

always on point

MinorityOpinion:
Bro, just know I follow all your posts, the mod banned me during the "Ogane" thread, for a month but I still read your posts and love the way you strike fear into their heart with the truth.

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but one point of correction
Tao11 is a woman ��

Osagyefo98:
I have been taking it serious especially for future purposes.

I have explained to gregboy that such history is not needed here for future and vital reasons....as we all continue to look at nigeria from the wooly Zion.

your point is well noted but your actions now cannot change the past because it's dusted

Osagyefo98:
You guys are beginning to sound more fffooolissh and desperate with the useless analysis everyday and day.

Tell us how they ended up with Akaeze.

Contain every history in Edo or extend it to Yorubas pls..not here, it is not needed.

oga na wa oo �� just take it easy no body is quarreling na !!

ewa26:
just answer me two questions and then I’ll leave you alone ok

a.) do Igbo and south south men ever wear half shimi underneath their wrappers

b) what is the difference between Igbo and Yoruba jollof rice and which one is better

Answer me and i will leave you alone

Answer me ooo

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TAO11:
I’m not sure how you read my comments though.

I never asked if you’re afraid. I was getting to know if you have a question.

But it’s all good that you said you’re now okay.

Bye-bye, abeg.

�� ok I hear I really like you and your talks ���

Osagyefo98:
Akaeze na Igbo or Edo name?

That thing you circled is the most weak evidence in the history of mankind.

Someone has already corrected you that ubulu uku has no such link you Bini revisionist will keep writing un-related stuffs with no correlation .

ok I hear I rest my case bro have a nice day ����

gregyboy:
If tend to argue myth dey will beat at it bro,

Because their history is centered around myth too,

Am watching how you will pull through if indeed you're correct on the ogiso shit

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I re vbin u ta oten mwen u wa.

TAO11:
Are you asking a question ?? You have to be clear.

no ohh!! I nor dey fear?

I mean that we are good

Osagyefo98:
Ubulu uku not obuluku.

So much of Bini connective history that all names you keep calling ends up been wrong but you can spell Yoruba name well without mistake.

That alone will tell you that your history is fake. So much of revisionist theories coming from Bini people. Highly disturbing.

All these fabrications don't exist.

Oga na !!! ok u know what ? the kingdom am talking about is ubulu uku in Delta state whose current king is HRH Akaeze1 who was crown 17 years old after his father was killed. does that make any difference or make you happy now.?

RedboneSmith:
Yes, it was. But it was also influenced by Igala and by Nri.

uwonke Dalo����

TAO11:
What are typing?
Edekede is what I said lad.

�� please I mean no offense please Edekede then.

Christistruth00:
http://www.osundefender.com/investigation-oba-benin-visited-ile-ife-collect-sacred-sword

Ooni of Ife gave Oba of Benin his Ceremonial Sword

my brother na why on earth will u choose to bring up what you don't understand.
those two sword with different shape in Benin is as old as the first dynasty of Ogiso of igodo and the sword was created by the second ogiso Ere
so what ceremonial sword are you talking about because seriously I don't get you.

it shows your post was an investigation please do properly �

but you see those sword they old than the Oba dynasty

TAO11:
Rather than answer a direct question you spoke an edekede that only 4 people in the whole world understands.

palapala

seriously speaking I like u �����
but if Etinosa1234 is truly edo blood he will understand.

please were you trying to say Edo N ede.?

Christistruth00:
Cool down!!


Ooni is the one in the Center.


Photo: Yoruba Obas 1937.


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

please what are u driving to does this relate to Benin influence on ondo and Ekiti or you just want us to discuss this as a sub sub topic.

RedboneSmith:
I'm going to post pictures of 19th century kings of Bonny wearing European suits and use it as evidence that the kings of Bonny came from Europe, since influence = origin.

I love this point influenced and origin are really not the thing.
but do you agree that a group of people is viewed by the way the king (being the first citizen) behave cause I know you will agree that the king is the mirror of his people

RedboneSmith:
Please, where did I say he had nothing to do with Benin? Did you not see where I said all Anioma kingdoms were influenced from Benin?

I don't know why people here seem to have a hard time differentiating between influence and ancestry.

Even in the east, some chiefs are beginning to carry eben-like paraphernalia due to influence and proximity to places like Onitsha where the obi had eben (abani, as they call it in Onitsha), not because those chiefs are of Benin origin.

please sorry to stress you but please was Onitsha monarchical system influenced by Benin empire yes or no?

RedboneSmith:
I don't understand what you mean by this bolded. I was only raising a question based on what I read from Egharevba. I wasn't telling you Ehengbuda was or was not hermaphrodite. It's not my history to tell. My comment was phrased in form of a question.

frankly speaking I thought you to be somebody else so am sorry if i get your question wrongly please recap

gregyboy:
Ok. Pm then lets take it to whatsapp we can use voice note

ok that would be great but not today please �

TAO11:
Ewuare II’s father (Erediauwa) was also the king when he upheld the extant view that Eweka I is the first king.

So, are you saying that Eweka I’ is the first king as long as as Erediauwa was alive?

And Oranmiyan is the first king as long as Ewuare II is alive — until his son probably changes that again on his own ansecion?

Do you now realize and admit the intra-Benin confusion I was talking about regarding the first king of Benin?

I have only one ifiemwen for you that is if you understand: eghoba mien.

gregyboy:
Even on real ground i wont still accept if you're not making sense so say it here, dump everything you think you know, let's see if truly, you worth it,

Say them bro we want to learn dont hide it,

I dont want to believe you're insecured i know edos not be an insecured except the yorubas
Like Tao11, Olu317 gomojam lawani snd the others

please if you have noticed me you will understand I hate arguing so going Ekiokpagha treaty of Oba Ewedo I know you will still argue is not advice able. talking of security I know how secure I am personally I don't know of other tribe.

TAO11:
Lol.

Just to seek what you personally think.

In your own view, who is the first Oba of Benin??

Do you agree with the classical Yoruba and Benin view that it was Oranmiyan’s son, Eweka I ??

Or do you agree with the fringe view — which was recently made popular by Ewuare II — that it was Oranmiyan himself ??

Or do you even have a different position entirely like some sad kids on here ??
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And before you think you want to educate someone on a faceless forum, do yourself the good of reading through some of their past posts. You may have a thing or two to learn.

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am a devoted and pure Edo man the words of the king of law and as it is oronmiyan is 1st and Eweka 2nd please good day.

RedboneSmith:
This post says Orhogbua drowned in a lagoon, but all the history books I've read say it was his son Ehengbuda that drowned in the lagoon.

Egharevba also didn't say Ehengbuda was a hermaphrodite, but he implied that Ehengbuda's son Ohuan had some feminine traits.

Why these discrepancies?

truthfully speaking I thought of it too at some point so thanks for the correction for that drowning in Lagos lagoon.

but for that of Ehengbuda being hermaphrodite its becoming obvious that it is difficult for you to believe things except the ones you have known

gregyboy:
Ekalderhan was a prince an is father was an oba
Not ogiso i dont believe ekaladeran story should even be related to eweka oba Erediauwa was the one who twisted ekaladeran history to explain thd origin of eweka, Ekaladerhan son probably left ughoton to later fight evain

Assiciating it with the origin of eweka is wrong,

Eweka history is simple he was the guy who organized the benin kingdom, probably displaced the corrupt feudal lords who ruled the various benin clan, and maybe those feudal lords may have nicknamed themselves sky kings, you should also understand that during the reigns of some benin earliest obas some part of benins were still independent


I want you to take benin history as an hobby start going deep i bet you, by yourself, you will see your errors, if you like this to debate TAO11 she will shame you, because she knows the benin history better than you,


If i may ask how many benin foreign and local historian do you know,

Am telling benin history from a research and possible narrative, deviod of myth benin were made of 55 families coming together under one ruler, called oba, probably eweka, ekaladeran history should not be associated with that of the origin of eweka, ekaladeran story ended at ekiogba treaty dont mind the spellings

although I hate arguing about what I could have explain better if it were to be on ground but saying Tao11 know Benin history more than me is left for you maybe you know her physically but you don't know me either so please don't judge one-sided please .
And as for that of the ekiokpagha treaty you are saying I don't want to go further with all this arguments because you will not still agree

I really feel its high time all historical lovers of Edo to be having meeting even as association.

RedboneSmith:
The king in Ubulu-Uku is NOT of Edo blood. There are many kings in Anioma that are of Edo blood, but the Obi of Ubulu-Uku is NOT one of them. The Obi of Ubulu-Uku descends from Ezemu, the founder of the town, who came from Afor.

Yes, Ubulu-Uku and every other kingdom in Anioma has been influenced by Benin. But being influenced by Benin, and coming from Benin are not the same thing. The Obi of Ubulu-Uku and the Obi of Ogwashi-Uku are some of the prominent obis of Anioma that do not claim Edo origin.

Note that there are people and quarters in both towns that trace their ancestry to Benin, but not the royal line. The royal line in Ubulu-Uku came from Afor, while that of Ogwashi-Uku came from Nri in the east.

then how did he get Ada and Eben sword if he has nothing to be with Benin

TAO11:
Thanks for confirming that the Benin people are confused from early times till date about who their first Oba was.


The Benin numerals:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40.

thank you for your time am done with you.

gregyboy:
Igbise yor,

But i still want you to bring prove they existed even if you have non now, i will be waiting,

Facts change what we once believed, but if you dont have solid prove to their existence then read more on benin history,

They are some mistakes you made up there on your write up i decided to let it slip because i understand it was copy and paste

Am a researcher on benin history, i plan to visit the palace too someday to place our history more accurately and deviod of myth....

thank you my brother

please I will love to know those errors and I don't copy and paste everything I right here on naira land is directly from my head and personal typing.

but personally I would believe that your that it could be true that ikalederhan ended at ughoton but that's a topic for another day. but if you believe ikalederham existed as a prince before him been betrayed don't you also think there was a king ? because to be a prince your father most be a king.

history is lovely when done constructively not insulting each other trying to prove worth.

gregyboy:
I see you are trying to twist and turn

The European document didnt use any figure of speech there, all they did was to repeat what the benin had told them, the ogiso ruling in the times when they were no sun or moon on earth....
If there were to use a fiqure of speech it would be called darkage meaning times of little knowledge,

2) agbado has nothing to make it identify it was made in the ogiso era than oral accounts, which could be altered to fit into what they needed to tell to pass an information, but how do we tell agbado was truly established by ogiso, is there anything unique that makes ogiso market,

Note am trying not to use archeological samples on benin on this argument because if i do, this discussion we be long over before it even started
If there is need be, i will have to bring it,

3), idu, ado and the others are abbreviations of the world edo and not igodomigodo, if there was to be an abbreviations for igodomigodo it will be
Igodo, godo, odo and not what the other way round

4) are you aware of the first ekaladeran story giving in 1903, or are you just reciting the one modified by oba Erediauwa

Ekalderhan story ended at ughoton, probably since he was of royal blood is son eweka rose to fight for his stool, and became oba eweka, not changing any tittle, because oba has always been the title

The screenshot didn't say ekaladeran escaped to uhe that was oba Erediauwa addition for his supremacy battle with yorubas

Please my edo brother when we are discussing, oral traditions is allowed but backed them up with written documents and evidence, oral account is not just enough or even archeological findings


Like you claim agbado market was formed during the ogiso era, do you have prove to it, or written document that can atest to it a written document as old as 200yrs old , probably the benins told the Europeans same thing during their trade, because i dont see anything to attribute that market to sky kings who ruled during the time of no sun or moon

Just as you agree that there were ogisos same as ghostwon a benin like you dont believe that shit, same as i,

Do well to prove us wrong.....

thanks for your right up but as you can seen I will leave my case in order for both of us not to argue more online if it was to be face to face we could have go more deeper.

but please one thing you have to review properly is that ogiso dynasty was real but if you don't believe that will not be a problem to me.
thank you for your time brother

tu gha tu to mwen saka baba

RedboneSmith:
I am from that general area and I know the history. You obviously are not from the area and know little of the history. Otherwise you would have known that the Obaseki family connection is with Nsukwa and not Ubulu-Uku.

please understand one thing please that the founder and it citizens may have been connected to Igbo but the king is and Edo blood and as you know every tribe is view through their king. that's What am trying to explain but again please make your research if you can go to your palace please do because your said you are from there.

But before I leave you please take no offense in what am going to say but its true that 97% if not 99% of kings in Delta state is influenced by Benin empire please research if you so which.

RedboneSmith:
Obaseki's ancestors were from Nsukwa, not Ubulu-Uku. Ubulu-Uku royalty do not trace their descent from Benin.

please make your research I can't argue at all.
simply ask for the origin of the obi of Obuluku

TAO11:
Stop mentioning me kid.

Ekaladerhan did not resurrect from Ughoton. That is where he lived his life.

Your Ekaladerhan is not Oduduwa. Search for your Ekaladerhan in Ughoton graves.

The earliest documented account about Ekaladerhan in the year 1903 states clearly the Binis eventually allowed him his independence at Ughoton — the only condition they gave was that he is not allowed to return to Benin.

The extant, classical and “official” Benin account is that Ife founded your Oba monarchy.

It wasn’t until the 1970s that some fraudulent Binis tried to reverse the connection and then claim that Ekalderhan is Oduduwa.

Of course they couldn’t cite a single source for their strange story, nor could they name a single informant.

ok thanks for your time I hope you will go with me to ughoton old man ?