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TAO11:
Look at my post and tell me what you corrected in it. Nothing.

Instead you simply admitted my claim that you Binis when counting numbers jumped from 38th to 40th.

Please answer this question: Who is the 39th Oba of Benin? Now you’re hit by the gist of my point, right?
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On top of that, I corrected your impression (and educated you) that your Oba Ewuare II was NOT the first Bini to regard Oranmiyan as the first Oba — no he wasn’t.

The same view (although non-mainstream) has been around long before your Oba Ewuare II was born. You should be grateful for this education I just imparted on you.

However, the standard and extant account of the Binis is that Eweka I (and not Oranmiyan) was the first Oba of Benin — and this is also the standard and extant Yoruba account.

In sum, the Omo N’Oba throne ranks after the Alaafin’s throne throne. You catch the strap?

cc: SaintBeehot

am really tired of your talks because I have explain again and again but you refuse to understand. you just want to argue but like I said I don't have that time.

please how many colors are in Nigeria flag? you will say three because you want to argue that is exactly what you are doing now.

I have told you use maths to remove oronmiyan is it not 39 with Oba Ewuare 11 inclusive but adding oronmiyan after then will it not be 40 ? I really don't know what you are arguing.
Or you should have been in any history section of a university before Ewuare11 and you are ask in exam how many obas have ruled Benin and you saying all this your words.

simply browse the list of Oba of Benin That date before 2016 if Oba Erediauwa was not listed as number 38 and with oronmiyan not listed but if you add Oronmiyan and Ewuare 11 is it not 40?
or is 38+2 not 40 again?

please just stop your jest .

gregyboy:
Tell me my edo brother, which benin research have you done, because the research i see you carried out was on pure oral benin history.....

You believe on the Oduduwa craps right.....

Ok

Ogiso were sky kings which you think their of origin may have been false but you still insisted they ruled, when the name actually says says rulers,

So you mean sky rulers came to rule men and they became mortar and died then oromiyan came to replace them as oba.

You be yoruba man stop pretending as an edo person

Agabado market is the oldest market how did you come to this evidence oral accounts i guess, how do we know the oral account is correct have there been any archeological evidence stating so, or you just want me be to believe in the oral account because it says so, abi

What if ere was called an oba not ogiso,

Is there any tribe who once or still refered to benin as igodomigodo

Because history also made it know that eken who ruled uselu in the early 1800Ad had to be killed by the oba of benin to fully extend his rule to uselu, meaning not all benin were united 200yrs ago not leaving udo behind

Not forgetting

The Europeans also documented that benins believes the ogiso had ruled when they were no sun or moons

So what happened to ogiso and how come the oba in benin

I really love your words, any way am a 100% pure Edo man my mother is a branch of the famous Ogierunmwanbo N oka in Oka upper sokponba road Benin city my father is the offspring of Ogiute of Ute in Orhionmwon LGA and my morning greeting is Lagite so am a pure Edo man.


first of all I love a point you raise that "they ruled in a time of no sun and moon" so I really believe you understand figure of speech and as a result I will also believe that you will think deeply That the word sun and moon is referring to the total dark age of Africa as the European will also say.

if you say no tribe still call it Igodomigodo it means that innerly you believe That it was once there that is why you made use of the word STILL and for the one that once called it Igodomigodo, the Benin people called themselves and are still calling themselves till date please observe very well if you are in Benin,. and for that of other tribe they have their various way of calling Benin e.g Urhobo "aka",agbor "idu" , Ancient Ondo and Ekiti "Ado" etc the only tribe that don't have what they call Benin are those that didn't come in contact with them.

The recording of the obas are done with various items and in parables and in the palace of the Oba of Benin we have what we call Ukhure nikaro
(hope you understand it meaning) representing each Oba that have ruled. so IGODO,ERE,ORIRE,ODIA,EFESEKE,ETEBOWE, up to OWODO are all ogiso that ruled Benin during it dark age.

The Oba system came through Ikalederhan the last son of ogiso Owodo who was banish courtesy Esagho to be killed please to cut it short he survived to Uhe and became king and all the rest ok. ? and at the end the son coming back to rule. you see I know my history and I don't argue with people in order for them to believe me as you constantly do with TAO11.

As for Agbado I will beg you to ask any true Benin historian or research yourself to confirm what market is the first known market I'm benin. Buttressing: the word Agbado mean "trading together" a name derive from the complete coming together of the people.

TAO11:
You only explain things to those who know less than you know, okay?

In case you read my earlier comment from the back of your phone; I made it clear that the extant Yoruba account is that Eweka was the first Oba of Benin — and the extant Benin accounts agree with this.

But to correct what you may be thinking:

Before the present Oba of Benin was born, there were some minority views among the Binis who maintain the position that Oranmiyan was the first Oba.

Again this minority but likewise old view goes against extant Yoruba and Benin accounts.

Thank you for admitting that the Binis count numbers as:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40.

And to stamp it again, the idea that Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Benin is older than your present Oba even though such idea is not the standard/earliest among both the Binis and the Yorubas.

I hope you got no confusion no more.

cc: SaintBeehot

you know what Tao it seem you are the argumentative type and as you seem I just told you that before Ewuare 11 it was counted from Eweka 1 and that make Oba Ewuare 11 the 39th but upon coronation he added oronmiyan as first and that makes Oba Ewuare 40th

I really don't know what you are arguing or trying to prove but should you decide to remain same I will have no choice but to leave you in your argument of 38 and 40

TAO11:
Lol.

The immediate past Oba of Benin was the 38th King.

However, his successor the current Oba is the 40th.
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They’re so drunk with confusion that they can’t agree till date on who their first Oba is.

The extant standard position is that Oranmiyan installed his son as the first Oba of Benin — this agrees with extant Yoruba account.

However, some fringe views among them (which the current Oba holds to) list Oranmiyan himself as the first Oba of Benin.

I guess the aim of this minority view is so that they can rank Omo n’Oba before Alaafin.

Remember Oranmiyan went to Benin before he became the first Alaafin.

So, the propaganda is to say that while he was in Benin he was coronated as Oba — by so doing, they will argue that Omo n’Oba ranks before Alaafin.

However, the reality is that while Oranmiyan was in Benin he wasn’t coronated as Oba and in fact endured some resistance from a party of their elders — this position is the extant Yoruba and Benin account.

So, while he was away as Alaafin at Oyo, his little child Eweka who will later became the first coronated Oba of Benin was still a baby.

I hope this is clear.

mr/Mrs let me make a point clear here that before the current Oba of Benin "Ewuare11" oronmiyan was not recognise as king in Benin because he wasn't crown king and you don't expect Benin to call a man that was not crown a king but when Ewuare 11 came in 2016 he decided to make it law for all record of Oba monarchy to start from there (oronmiyan) which has been followed in Benin because in Benin the word of the Oba is law.

please I hope this is clear

SaintBeehot:
TAO11 there's a kid here that needs education, should I tell him why Oba of Benin can't sit next to Ooni of ife

please tell me why

Iamgrey5:
Binis are igbos with strong Igbo blood.

Even Bini themselves say Obaseki great grand parents are Igbos from Anioma region of today's Delta state.

Bini is igbo and igbo is Bin

Yorubas have no relationship with those people

Mr man the great grand father of obaseki is chief Agho who was the great great grand son of the obi of Obuluku in Delta state and the obi of Obuluku is a direct son of Oba Ehengbuda of Benin so does the show you obaseki true lineage before you start confusing people.

in fact the Obi of Obuluku was the one who killed the daughter of the Ezomo of Benin name Adesuwa which then result to war between Benin and Obuluku during the reign of Oba Akengbuda
and the war brought about the legendary Agboghidi N ugo to fame

please research properly before confusing people please.

gregyboy:
Thesame reasons their kings started calling themselves oba after 1930

Which they changed from sir to oba...

There is no tussle bro stop generating more issues the benin-ife was a diplomatic move to integrate both tribe it was never historical

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gregyboy:
We should also learn to separate myth from truth particularly we the new generation

The ogiso ruled when they were no sun or moon,

The ogiso story is a benin mythical story of their origin,


It was always oba we had as rulers dont just do copy and paste

We keep telling stories with myth attached to the truth, that's why the benin-ife myth can survive

Ogiso were mythical stories told to make the empire look old, the benin migrated to this region
Long ago from the niger benue regions, and they
All once lived as different clans till, probably eweka the first, organized the various autonomous benin settlement as a kingdom, even through out history some benin villages were autonomous like uselu, udo, it took later obas to conquer them through war to bring them full under benin......

bro I have no time to argue with you because I have always read some of your argument with Taoa11 and others but I have some few question for you if you believe the ogiso is a myth

why do we have Ogiso market just like Oba market in Benin

tell me how was the Ere deified to god in Benin just like sango

when was Benin called Igodomigodo and what monarch ruled

it is obvious that Benin was already settled before Oba monarchy tell me then which monarchy

do you know that the two most oldest market in Benin is Agbado and ogiso markets?

look I really understand why you believe it's myth but the only part that is myth is saying that Igodo
fell from the sky which is obviously not possible but that doesn't mean it was not there. just like my fellow compatriot " iyi Eweka and others I have dedicated most of my time into many Edo cultures both physically,theoretically up to this date. although personally I will not stress my self to elaborate if you don't want to agree but please answer those question constructively I don't mean argue, rather answer the question and ask any question if you wish. thanks for your time gregyboy you are noticed

lx3as:
Alaafin is always invited from the West but due to Oòni being recognised ahead of him by federal government as co-chairman with sultan, he doesn't go to such occasions.

You can go and challenge Oòni's position and federal government in a law court if you're so pained. Don't you find your oba far far back in the picture.

my brother personally I don't get your argument
because the FG need kings representing each region so he invite one from each except North with two representative.

am only discussing this with you because you said That the Sultan is North and Ooni is South thereby leaving his own region which is West and as you can see in the meeting the South have a representative (the Oba of Benin). As for that of the ooni and alafin, it is not a concern to south it is for you Westerner to resolve.
And am sure you don't expect everyone to jump to the from because of one white man so in the case of sitting in front it's not a big deal after all we are all in the same meeting

so gear up bro and leave all this your talks

AreaFada2:
I see!
Slight correction. Oba Ewuare reigned from 1440 to 1473/74. Certainly by 1475 Oba Olua was ruling. By 1480 the son of Oba Olua called Prince Iginuwa was sent to the seaside to become Ogiame or Lord of the Seas in what is now Ode Itsekhiri.

Oba Oguola began the building of moats and ramparts around Benin. He reigned from 1280 to 1295.

Oba Ewuare extended and improved them from
1440 AD.

Benin moats are long considered the biggest civil engineering work on earth. Until more part of Wall of China was recently excavated.

on point Areafada

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lx3as:
Oga, the picture shows everything based on the title of this thread.
Oòni and Sultan are the permanent chairmen of the Nigerian Traditional Council; Oòni for the South, Sultan for the North.

there are five kings representing each region but two from the North one from West one from South and one from East I don't know where you see North and South only. I am sure you will not have required the present of the Oba of Benin there if the South was not independence just like the West. so please stop all this your argument.

lx3as:
Oga, the picture shows everything based on the title of this thread.
Oòni and Sultan are the permanent chairmen of the Nigerian Traditional Council; Oòni for the South, Sultan for the North.

am sure you mean North and West

this thread is to relate everyone to the height of Benin as a kingdom.

now to the list of the day DID YOU KNOW THAT:

Benin practice four market day system namely
Ekioba,
Ekenaka,
Agbado,
Eken.


Benin is also called Igodomigodo historically


Igodomigodo's first ruler is Igodo ?

That Igodomigodo means " kings give birth to king"

The ceremonial Edo Ada and Eben sword was initiated by Ogiso Ere who was the second Ogiso after Igodo at about 66AD

That the known oldest quarter in Benin is Ugbekun quarter because Ogiso palace was in this area


that the last Ogiso of Benin is Owodo about 1130


That there was 31 Ogisos before the Oba monarchy

That the Ogiamien family is the son of Evian

That the Ogiso family greet Laiso as their morning greeting

That the Oba family greet Lamogun as their morning greeting

that the Ogiamien family greets Laire as their morning greeting

that the Oba monarchy start about 1200

That Oba Eweka 1 was born dumb

That some chieftaincy titles is older than the Oba monarchy e.g Oliha and Ero

that the Oliha family greet Laogele as their morning greeting

That the Ero Family greet Lamosun as their morning greeting

That the Oba palace was brought to Ogbe by Oba Ewedo ( the Sixth Oba of Benin )

That the word " Omonoba n Edo uku akpolokpolo" means " the child who is king over the great kingdom of Benin/ the child who shines to the great kingdom of Benin" depending on the way you pronounce the word.

That Oba Ewedo is considered the second greatest Oba after Ewuare 1

That the brain behind the Benin moat was brought by Oba Oguola

that the greatest Oba of Benin ever was Oba Ewuare 1440 to about 1485

that the longest time Oba of Benin is Oba Akengbuda 54 years

that Oba Ezoti ruled as Oba for t14 days which make him the shortest oba to rule Benin

that Oba Ehengbuda was born with both male and female organs

That the word Edo became a general name in 1440 ( done by Oba Ewuare 1)

that 3 Oba of Benin was not buried in ogbe
Oba Ewuare1: isi
Oba Orhogbua: drawn in Lagos lagoon
Oba Ovoranmwen Nogbaisi: Calabar

that Oba Ewuare 1 balanced the chieftaincy system in Benin

That the unnoticed "City" always added to Benin I.e Benin city was done by the early explorers of Africa at about 1500

That the Portuguese were the first to visit Benin in 1485

that the Holy Aruosa church of Benin was built in 1516

That Idia is the mother of osawe A.k.a Oba Esigie

That Idia is the first queen mother to see her son crown king

That Esans have been the most queen mother of Benin

That the giant Arhuan is the elder brother of Oba
Esigie

That Oba Ozolua is the father of both Arhuan and Oba Esigie



That Arhuans mother was Okhomi


That the Benin moat was fully completed by Oba Ewuare 1


That the first Ezomo of Benin was an Esan man (Ehuan)

That the Ezomo family greet Lagiesan as their morning greeting

That Benin kingdom is more than 2000 years oldAnd


That the Benin empire started in 1440 and ended in 1897

That Oba Ovoranmwen Nogbaisi was crown in 1888, exiled in 1897,transit in 1914 in Calabar

That the current Oba palace is four times smaller than the way it use to be before 1897


that the current palace was built by Oba Eweka 11

That Orhionmwon LGA is the home to all Benin queen mothers

That Benin have recorded 40 Obas since inception

That the current Oba of Benin is Oba Ewuare 11 crown 20/10/2016


OBA GHA TO KPERE
EDO GHA TO KPERE

ISEEEE

the problem am really having with all these argument is that almost everyone here just make jest instead of making constructive points in order for both side to learn and advance together even with the difference among us and I feel that is the major problem of Nigeria ( tribalism ).

TAO11:
In summary:

(1) Regardless of the extent of your fathers’ confusions, they were still able to agree that their first Oba is a Yoruba man from Ife.

(2) And my earlier question to you Binis is still waiting:

What is the name of the first Oba of Benin??

Or to rephrase this question:

Who amongst you Binis can count numbers from 1 to 40??

counting one to forty is nothing because I can count one to two hundred and even more using Bini

but for your information Benin is not Yoruba

alablec:
This says everything.

Oga the picture shows nothing

any way could it have been the Ooni paid a visit to Ondo or Ekiti axis because these where the areas that were mostly influenced by Benin empire. I don't make jest of anybody I just want us to review properly

Coded2:
This is also used in ondo owo I could remember my grandpa usually told me that her mother was a princess in Benin and they spoke yoruba and that the oba of Benin was a linage of oduduwa and that Benin is a colossal of yoruba nation but the truth is bitter , and I want everyone to know that history can be fabricated to please those who wants to hear it the way they wants , it is true I could meet the whites but remember when this history is been written you and I are not there so anybody will tell a tale that sweet their hear .

Mr man check your history very well or better still ask your elders Ondo was undeniably under Benin influence. please get your facts and come tell me

RichDad1:
That sword is not exclusive to the Benin. A lot of places in Yoruba land, most especially Ondo State make use of it as well. So nothing special about it.

Oga is that how picture things? Ondo was under Benin rule for years not to talk about Ekiti. it is only Owo that did a peaceful trade with Benin in different items. The sword is older than the Oba system of monarchy in Benin because it was created by the first dynasty of Ogisos during the reign of Ogiso Ere whom was the second Ogiso after Igodo. so Mr man if you say nothing is special about the sword in your land that's not a problem to me but it's special to all Edo's. My point is that Ondo and Ekiti was undeniably influenced by Benin empire so their king could have been given the sword after their installation e.g the Deji of Akure by Benin empire but that's not the same with the Ooni who is in Ife.

please don't argue blindly make your point known even with facts.

Etinosa1234:
Otse na Benin name?

in Benin beauty is Ose. the difference between almost all tribes in Edo is just 1%

fati2001:
I got it.
but you said earlier that you thought I was listing Benin names (that's why i said its etsako)

bigger bro sometimes you have ask what is the big difference between Benin and etsako

Etinosa1234:
I was Jus joking bro...

You are doing well... Just don't engage in any tribal arguments... It'll take most of ur time sha

I really understand you bro and thanks for the compliment. as for the tribal stuff,I have no time for blind arguments because I believe in what I know and that I have dedicate my time in ancient Edo study not to argue with some just any person from any where

Etinosa1234:
Edo doesn't mean love bro...

It means pride

And ayo means indispensable

Love means Arhuemwen...

I'm not that fluent tho

And is Michael Owen related to us... Because some tribes use similarities in language to dictate which language is under who

thanks for your time bro but you see the word "Edo" came into used generally by the binis due the love shown on prince Ogun before becoming the Oba Ewuare 1 we all know about. so the love shown is what we agree to be the meaning of the word "Edo". but I will agree with you that the name have been used b4 that great act of love was shown. Best way to explain this is for to observe most English or Hebrew names in the Bible you will see that their names meaning is derive from what they did or the great event that took place with the person.


for Ayo it is infinity or let me say to fullness e.g na mie ke na mue ne ni wina sa yo I.e in order to see the work to the fullness.

for that of love, it is commonly called "Awemwonmwan, but you have to understand that in Benin for instance we have the ancient ( Edo nede) and the present day mix Benin.

for that of Michael Owen I can't really say how he got his name but in Benin sun is Oven or Owen.

Etinosa1234:
My great grandfather and his child's name is not here... Omoregie and ihueghian
The list is incomplete

Omoregie : children are king/ great
ihueghian : I don't mind enemies

Etinosa1234:
My great grandfather and his child's name is not here... Omoregie and ihueghian

The list is incomplete

absolutely you don't expect me to remember all the Edo names in the world and even if I do, I will definitely get tired. so you can also help by bring your own short list that is how it will all work out

fati2001:
odion, omo = twins. Emuso = what's good. otse = beauty. uki =moon ohkai =hero. onotue = expensive one. ide = i won't fall idodo =flower idaewo = I won't hear (lik gossip matter) I no go put ear. omone = child is great.

lovely