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negro nations for president after jonathan. negro 2015!

EzeUche:
Either way, I am tired of the Ndigbo playing the victim.
This atrocity was committed against our people, but do not cry, because living well is the greatest revenge.

yes, quit whining becos biafra was not an "ndigbo" struggle, and ndigbo is not biafra. and to my knowledge the name biafra was suggested by an ijawman who was part of the struggle. but ndigbo-extract of biafra hijacked the movement, and when the ijaw-extract of biafra asked ndigbo-extract what would be their fate if the biafran dream was to become a reality, ndigbo-extract famously replied, "the status quo remains the same" and that was what alienated the ijaw-extract and they abandoned the movement, but today the ndigbo-extract are the ones crying foul. cry me a river.

Sam_Ikenna:
You said you wanted us to be nuked, didnt you? Ok, I'm saying we're still very much alive. It has nothing to do with being in Nigeria or Biafra but all to do with your wish. You sat in your, probably, cozy chamber and found it nice and dandy to tell us how much you wanted us to be nuked. Nuked for what? Nuked for rejecting pogrom and mutilation that took over 30000 precious lives of Easterners b4 the watchful eyes of Gowon led Govt?

Its funny how we make some comments and think they don't matter. Guess what, your comment/wish also implies that if you or your people/family ever stand up against unjust massacre in any shape or form that whoever is doing the massacre should up it with more deadly/precise complete extermination.

Now I ask you, do you still wish other people nuked for their right? Think before you answer because you might be answering for your unborn generation.

so u biafrans felt the best way to reject the so-called progrom from the north was to invade the then midwest and heading to the west? were the midwesterners and westerners the ones commiting the progrom? why didnt u head north? am not against u fighting for ur rights, but dont in the process of fighting for ur rights deprive me of mine when i was not the one who deprived u of urs in the first place. so yeah, of course, if biafrans were nuked after the invasion and forcefully imposing themselves on others, it would have been fair game.

Sam_Ikenna:
Much to your dismay/wish we still dey here kampe.

and isnt that what nigeria fought for? make u dey here kamkpe for nigeria and not biafra?

or correct me if im wrong, is there is sovereign nation called biafra wey u dey kamkpe outside what is today known as nigeria?

who ever read that letter ojukwu sent to awo(?) floating all over the internet would have been a fool to allow them biafrans occupy their land without consent. even if they were flushed out of the occupied land and nuked back in where ever was their territory is only fair game.

and it is funny u mentioned "women rights" but when dat woman jubril tried to become president, she got only 1 vote. no other woman voted for her apart from herself. if she had gotten at least 2 or 10 votes she would not have won anyway but it would have been a statement that women tried at all. but nah, not a single woman apart from herself believed she was worthy to represent pdp not to talk of the whole nation. then later nigerian women would be wondering where their "women rights" went to and dey wait for the mary slissors from britain to come save their fat asses. bunch of losers.

all4naija:
Keep bringing in your logical ideas. The very essence of you not comprehending the two separate tasks of a leader makes the argument seemed compounded. To represent is different from lead - leave that idea of if he speaks on your behalf means leads, that is represent not lead - but, if he told you to behave in certain way and follow a path is lead( like War Against Indiscipline, Take the MEND of oil rings, Women rights must be obey by all,etc).

oh the nuance of english. why will he tell u to follow a path if he is not the one representing u? if u have a court case, a lawyer tells u how to behave in court becos he is the one u chose to represent u. so he is ur leader during the court proceedings.

would a senator from ur constituency go tell abokis from a constituency in zamfara the path to follow when they have their own senator? so whoever u chose to speak on ur behalf is your leader.

I am tired of explaining the same thing over and over again. I think I am done on this issue for the day.

then go sleep. u werent making sense anyway.

all4naija:
It is surprising you don't know what representation mean and that is not the reason why they lead. They lead because the authority bestowed upon them if not the representation would be mere formality. Representation is an act or to speak on behalf of others where as to lead is to show the way, to command the population to do what you are bind by law to do. In essence, a leader perform these two separate tasks.

shooor, see me see trouble ooo. so why would someone be speaking and acting on your behalf, if he is not leading u and showing u the way? would u allow someone who is not leading u speak on ur behalf?  u gave him the authority to lead, that is why he is speaking on ur behalf. so in essence, he is ur respresentative.

Your argument is far none-encouraging as I would have expected it to be.

then a poor nigerian like u should never allow someone like me to respresent u. and when i do, u should be able to cut me off by yaself and not wait david cameroon to do it for u.

all4naija:
First and foremost, I know you didn't comprehend my comment in the way I meant it to be.In your first paragraph you succeeded in pointing to assertions which are baseless. Though, they seem right in words and are beautifully logical, whereas in the reality they are nothing to write home about.  The leaders don't only represent they also lead - so, don't make the leaders look as helpless as they are not.

leaders are a representation of the people, that is why they lead . . .duh! later u go say na u sabi comprehension

When I mean outside the borders,I mean outsides the of Nigeria which is different from Britain(an already organized society that can stand on their own with the rights tools, from better judicial system to security). Go back in time and read about the British government history - that would give you an eye-opener idea into this ludicrous comparison of yours. I doubt if you take time to read my comments very well.

awww . . . so what u are saying is, the poor citizens in britian could sustain itself and evolved an organized system that would hold their corrupt leaders accountable without needing outside help, but u so-called poor nigerians could not? it seems u are now agreeing with me that u are a failure.

btw, can u clearly state the other societies outside nigeria and britian where their poor citizens have been able to do something u failed at? coz u dont want me "misunderstanding" u again.

all4naija:
Who fail to bring him to justice? The answer is clear it is the leaders. The poor citizens are incapable because their right to the tools to fight have been destroyed in every sundry.

The leaders are citizens but they are the ones to lead. How can corrupt leaders fight themselves in this case? Or you expect the followers to do it without having the necessary tools or mechanism in place(they have be destroyed or taken away from them) - I repeat.  You are looking at this whole thing from an extremism point. Without any aid from outside the borders the poor citizens can not carry out a successful fight with the corrupt leaders or else they will be fighting within themselves in a circle - poor citizens on poor citizens - while the rich corrupt leaders will have avenues to use them as tools to ferment more troubles.

You are very funny indeed.

lol, societies are developed by the people. the leaders are just a representation of the people that make up a society. so if u want to know the mind of a people, u study their leaders. so the mind of ibori is ur representation of the mind of the average nigerian, be him rich or "poor". and until the people are able to develop a system where they can hold their leaders accountable for whatever they do, they are always go to need someone else outside their borders to do it for them.

so who are those outside the borders of britian dat are helping their poor citizens bring their corrupt leaders to justice? im sure mugabe is not on that list abi u wan tell me say britian nor get poor citizens and corrupt leaders?

all4naija:
You have to be consistent with your comments. All I can see is incoherence and lousy explanations. If I must address what you are trying to explain with humility, you are saying D. Cheney committed a crime  that for being a WHITE man he succeeded without been prosecuted. Which by right carried a racial undertone and, it is absolutely unacceptable. Even the case of Ibori being prosecuted in the British court is to the benefit of the poor Nigerian citizens not the Brits. Is that not a good thing? That alone is enough for you to embrace the charges as laudable, not only that, the other governors would know by now that to steal from the states coffer and stark them in Brit banks is a thing of the past.

my comments have been quite consistent. u failed to bring ur leader to justice at home, he was brought to justice in a foreign land and u have here applauding it and dancing with joy. how is that going to help u in any way? how is that going to fix ur failed system? and if the oyinbos dat brought ibori to justice were so concerned about fighting crime, why didnt they force cheney to come answer for his corrupt practises in nigeria? and if found quilty, face jail term in nigeria also? why is cheney walking free in his home country and ibori is heading to jail outside his home country even though they are both corrupt leaders?

In response to your alluding yet misleading last lines, on the blame of the citizens for the failure of the judicial or rather the whole system(which have never worked since time immemorial ), proves that you support the injustices in the country and blame them on the poor citizens who happen to be the victims.

so who makes up the judiciary and other failed system? are they not the citizens whether poor or rich, victim or victor, or however u want to classify them. they are all citizens.

all4naija:
Just listen to yourself  and reread your comment. Summon you say? How does this issue of international co-operation of extraditing a convicted corrupt leader to D. Cheney's case? You are either pretending to be ignorant or you are outright ignorant. The truth of the matter is that he has gone against the British and the international laws (that's the reason the Dubai authority have the right to extradite him), such requires him to be arrested and prosecuted. Indeed, I would like to know how racial prejudices become part of the issue?

wtf are u saying? crime is crime. or the corrupt practices of cheney in nigeria did not go against nigerian and international laws? abi efcc nor say make cheney come answer question for 9ja again? so just answer the simple question: why didnt cheney show up?

Has he not been tried in Nigeria before? We all know what happened when he was tried by Nigerian corrupt justice system.

aww . . . so ur system failed. so dat makes u a failure, which is another word for loser that i called u earlier.

and if the way u allowed ur system to fail na so britian allow their's to fail, shey ibori would be free. then who u for wait for make e come bring am to justice? jesus? and then u go say "na god go punish am"

all4naija:
@exotik

People like you give support to corruptions. How on earth has this degenerated into racial matter? Please, go and educate yourself of the silly mentality you are carrying about consequences. It saddens me to see somebody like you cannot see beyond racial prejudices in every thing that involves foreigners. Jeez!

Sorry, it is the leaders' fault. They failed to sentence the former governor in Nigeria before he ran to Dubai. So, why blame the ordinary citizen who don't have any saying in the country? The rights of the people have been hijacked by the leaders for long,dude!

shattap there. how many corrupt oyinbo leaders have nigerian court brought to justice? when effc summoned cheney, did he show up? what happened to the case? or cheney is too big to serve time in a nigerian jail?

and why would it take oyinbo court to bring ur so-called corrupt leader to justice, u nor dey shame dat u cant do it urself?

i wonder why nigerians continue to let their leaders get humiliated in a foreign land and then applaud it. if u have failed to evolve the system that will bring ur leaders to justice in their home country, it shows the leaders are not the problem but the people. and u begin to wonder why these oyinbos have no respect for blacks. what a bunch of losers.

lol, i think know why ur dad wont tell u such stories, coz he knows u are a scientist and every story must be scientifically proven with u.

anyways, laters!

aahhhhh . . .  u have never heard of that story? dats surprising.

it even goes further to say that when the queen arrived, the oba was busy in his inner chambers and was not yet in royal regalia to receive the queen. but there was no time for him to change,  so what he did was to use his powers right away in front of the queen. and when the queen shook his hand, he clothes automatically changed to the royal regalia made of beads and the queen was highly impressed and wanted to know more

so u never hear that story? coz that story is common. 

ok cool. but i hope u know that it is in benin folkore that real reason why queen elizabeth visited benin during the reign of oba akenzua was to come seek spiritual powers from the oba.

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but im sure ur average oyinbo brit of today would call it nonsense if dem hear that story. but it is true. abi na lie?

ok cool. but if the obi of nsukwa was the son of an oba of benin, and from what u have posted, it shows they maintained a relationship with benin afterwards. and because agho obaseki's family/ancestors did not immediately relocate to benin does not mean others who would have been commoners would not have been moving freely back and forth across borders from both sides of the border for whatever purposes, be it for trade, religious or spiritual purposes. so thats how benin would have been "cosmopolitan"

so, since benin seemed to have maintained a relationship with these places, why is it so suprising that an oba of benin would seek the service of a "famous herbalist" from ubulu uku, even though their obi seem to be very edoid as seen in this pic?

https://www.ubulu-ukuusa.org/sitebuilder/images/Obi_of_Ubulu-Uku2-360x449.jpg

or are u saying benin never had any relationship with the people in ubulu uku, hence why it came as a surprise to u?

"Benin was not a cosmopolitan city"

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really? if benin once enjoyed empire status, i don't see how the capital city would not have been cosmopolitan.

however, i think the "demonization of benin" by other groups is a modern invention after benin fell to the british. and i have noticed that those who demonize benin are those who were once directly under benin. and that is only natural because they do it when they want to impose their own authority over benin. just like how nigerians really don't have any good thing to say about britain when we wan claim authority.

"but the notion of groups just immigrating into a tightly controlled capital city without being Edo isn't that plausible."

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once u become an empire, ur borders ur opened to the colonies under ur control. ur colonies cannot be isolated, or they will slip away from ur control. still using britain as an example, under british rule, all her colonies were visa-free to britain including nigeria. nigeria was still visa-free till well after independence. zimbabwe was still visa-free till recently when mugabe kicked out those white farmers. so migration of groups from ur colonies does not mean ur capital city was not being tightly controlled.

now, if agho obaseki was of anioma-extract during the reign of ovonramwen centuries after the empire was founded by ewuare, and agho obaseki held an important position in the palace, how would dat have been possible if there was no free movement of people from that area into benin over the years if not for centuries?

lol, as usual a thread where hausas and igbos are supposed to slug it out turned into a yoruba and igbo duel. why yoruba is fighting hausa fight is beyond me. abi the sardauna was a yoruba man in disguise? na negro nations go know that one,  maybe sardauna mama was a yoruba woman just like dan fodio's mum was.

"the igbos were the ones that readily interacted with the colonial masters in their way of life and worked with them in lower cadre capacity and in business traded with them."

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chineke god! and i have been reading on this same forum dat while other groups were easily maneuvred by the british and they easily gave in to colonial rule, igbos were the only ones that "fiercely resisted" the british coz they had no centralised system. but here is another igbo proudly saying they were the first to embrace colonial masters and they were also the first lick british azz by readily being their "lower cadre" . . .  where is andre uweh to come prove this guy wrong? haha

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11. you, 10?

why u wan know?

y me:
some accounts say Oranmiyan left Benin in annoyance as a result of the discord amongst his subjects. This inspired the name Ile Ibinu which was corrupted to Benin.

this even makes him look more weak because it shows he was a weak leader could not unite the people he was supposedly ruling over, that he had to abandon the throne in annoyance and ran back home to daddy in ife.

Any of you Yoruba ladies got one of these tattoos??

no.
coz they are now ardent xtians and muslims and it is against their religion.

methinks the reason oranmiyan left in annoyance was because he was chased outta the great bengazzi just like the biafrans were chased out in recent times and they are still whining till date and enjoy calling it the city of blood the oba was just being "polite" with his words of why oranmiyan left benin.

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so why would oranmiyan leave in annoyance if he was actually able to successfully found the benin kingdom? who successfully creates a kingdom and then leaves it? even oduduwa who btw was ekaladeran the bini prince never left ife after he became successful. so wot prompted oranmiyan to leave? and when leaving, he didnt even leave happily but left in annoyance?

PhysicsQED:
Is "Ojo" Edo? I don't think it's originally Edo. Maybe Edo-Akure.

Also, I think Alonge might be Edo-Akure as well.

If those names have a meaning in Edo, could you please explain them?

i cant speak all edo languages. but i know ojo is a common name amongst edo people.

as for alonge, it is more or less an edo-corruption of euro-word "long" as edos tend to add "a" or "e" to euro-words just like they did with portuguese "ekuye"

anyways, some names in edo have lost their meaning when trying to interprete it with the edo languages spoken today. like agbogidi for example, do u know the meaning?

Alonge
Akpata
Ojo

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edo.