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I was talking about terracotta -- why would Benin influence Owo in that regard, especially if Owo terracottas look like Ife ones?

well, dats simple. the owo are yoruba-speaking people abi? and the ife are yoruba-speaking people. so why would owo terracotta look like dat if bini who are not yoruba-speaking people? even though we can all draw with pencil on paper today, which is clearly a european influence, would you draw the olowo of owo  who is ethnically yoruba to look like prince charles who is ethnically english? no!

obi of onitsha dancing with the bini royal sword eben and the olowo of owo posing with the bini royal sword eben. that leaves me wondering why the supposed bini cultural influences always have to come from the yoruba side and not the igbo side?

Why his focus on Ife and not Benin bronze artworks as well?

so why are u waiting for me to talk about it? why dont talk about it if that is what interests you?

Before colonialism, the Yoruba had been interacting peacefully with his neighbours including the Hausa (before the Fulani), Nupe, Edo and others.

lol, really? that was funny. coz oyo held some hausas as slaves until they librated themselves with the help of the fulanis during the fulani jihad and they have occupied old oyo till date. as for the nupes,  they also fought and conquered the oyos and they occupied oyo at a point until they were reconquered. and it is ryt there on the wiki page of oyo that they failed to conquer benin. so much for interacting "peacefully" with your neighbors. yeah ryt.

i will take it that the iyewe and erha-ewe have run out of what to say. so u two idi0ts are now on ignore until u add something to the topic.

lol @ clutching at straws, i have heard that before, so come up with something new . . . erha-ewe!

Yes, you are definitely correct that when you use someone or something as prop they are in secondary supporting role and not the main theme or the focus.

u sound confused and actually the one clutching at straws coz i never said igbo-ukwu was the main theme, dumbass. but like i have been saying, it was included to prove a point.

Igboukwu was not the focus but was put there to support the discredit of European claim of uniqueness in the style.

and i thot that was the so-called "realism" that igbo-ukwu didnt possess. yet, it was put there to discredit european claim of uniqueness to it. another dumb comment from u.

It was not there to support Head of Ife.  In other words, it supported an argument but not the art.

and what was the argument it supported about? was it not about the art? abi na about the amala? u amala-loving buffoon! so how can u support an argument about an art piece and not the art itself? cant u see how dumb u sound? so instead of posting dumb shyte, go chop amala. idi0t.

and whats so diff from the two works?

they are both figures of human head
they are both wearing a crown which means they are important figures
they both have long linear facial marks
and they are both made from the same material.

so whats so diff apart from one having a more "natural" look?

negroe, pls!

u actually came out "blazing" only to realize that u are not the only one who can throw insult, so u had to pipe your azz down. so i was the one who disarmed u not the other way round.

and that was actually a seperate documentary different from the one igbo-ukwu was included. but from what im getting from your post, u are happy that igbo-ukwu was not included in one documentary, but in another documentary by the same museum where igbo-ukwu was included, u say it was just a "prop" and does not prove influence.

well, me i nor too sabi oyinbo like una but this is the definition of "prop" according to the english dictionary.

prop

1. to support, or prevent from falling, with or as if with a prop (often followed by up).
2. to rest (a thing) against a support.
3. to support or sustain (often followed by up).
4. a stick, rod, pole, beam, or other rigid support.
5. a person or thing serving as a support or stay.


^^^

from what im getting from the definition, it means igbo-ukwu was the foundation ife was built on, and without igbo-ukwu, ife would not have existed. and guess what? that was why the musuem included it!

You should face to East and tell the Cameroonians how great you are.  The West does not recognize your Igboukwu.

dis was funny because u are telling me to face borders created by the europeans when in fact there was a time when such borders never existed, east and west.

^ lol, tufia, and u are a trashy slut coz sluts can never say bye and mean it. and i knew u will come back for my azz kissing. so keep wrapping those kpomo lips around it.

ahhh negroe, funny how you lost your "sharp" tongue full of insults and decided to pipe your azz down.

Brass is a free metal and no particular race own it ecxlusively.  So you cannot say Igboukwu had Brass Ife did not, therefore Ife got brass from igboukwu. 

right or wrong?  Answer that first and you have solved half the problem with your sour hatred.

there are rocks and stones in yorubaland but did they use the material to build pyramids like the ancient egyptians who directly ruled over the hebrew people u are fascinated about? no!  so no one is talking about the exclusivity of brass to igbo-ukwu. the material may have been everywhere but who were the earliest to start using the material to express themselves thru arts? thats the question. and oh btw, speaking of pyramids, do you know the group dat built something that looked like a pyramid  in nigeria? well, it was the same igbo. and they used mud, a material dat was readily available to them. so igbo "hebrew" claim is actually way better and more valid than urs.

The other half you can solve with this:  igboukwu art is sub standard to Ife art and they are not of the same style and genre.  Do you disagree?

well, that is your personal opinion and obviously a biased one. and whether it is "substandard" or not is subjective because people appreciate and draw meaning from art works differently. what matters is that they were enlightened enough to use a technique and material to express themselves thru an art form long before ife picked it up.

There were many indigenous people on the land before Oduduwa arrived, in timeline their culture and native customs were older but yet they ended under the influence and sovereignty of Ife.  Do you dispute this?

but who were the people under the sovereignty of ife, apart from the ifes themselves who oduduwa subjugated?
were the jebusites jebu-shytes amongst them? i dont think so, but u can always correct me if i am wrong.

btw, tufia, bring your dumbass back here!

how is it scattering thread? because i said igbo-ukwu is older than ife, which i didnt make-up unlike your comrades who are theorizing about shyte that never happened? so that is what "scattered" the thread? but until then, everything was well arranged and in perfect order?

well, i guess we will have to wait and see how u can use your coven powers to stop me from posting on the thread when i have something to post.

so wetin dey pain u for body? dat i contributed to a "yoruba" thread? if u want people to stop talking about your beloved "yoruba", tell your yoruba comrades to stop opening threads searching for the relationship btwn yorubas and other ethnic groups in nigeria and stay isolated. the thread was opened by a yoruba and your dumbass is here getting mad for contributions i made? lol

i know u love sweet mouth and cant resist kissing my chocolaty azz, so keep wrapping your fat kpomo-ish yoruboid lips around my azz. iyewe!

wtf are u even talking about? 

u see, this is the problem when u hang out in a coven for too long, it becomes really lonely and so many things start running through your empty head.

instead of talking about me and my supposed "insecurities", why dont u add to the topic? u are not adding anything, yet u claim im the one derailing the thread. okpe!

now get lost, idi0t.

and btw, arent we all theorizing here?

negro nations aint the only one who can theorize and be an "ukpe ori'ota re", who know? or arent the edomites edo-mights no longer part of old hebrew? lol

so u take your old wangiu azz back into your coven, and go feast on your grandkids!

^ and u are so secured in your coven dat whoever does not come in with u is uhm insecure. so theres no surprise there. but maybe u need to get outta the coven and starting seeing the light.

^^ well, oduduwa didnt literally fall from the sky, and u can go ask the nri people about asijie.

Negro_Ntns:
in fact, look, even a low and insignificant one among our indigenous peoples, Igboukwu, has the knowledge.".

and that is why when i say u are deluded, it is actually true and you have proven to be a true r3tard because those little voices in your head keep telling u some dumb shyt and u come here to spew it. but here is what was "actually" said

"Igbo-Ukwu brasses, one is of an elephant head, and those are about a thousand years old, and they prove that this was an autonomous African tradition"

the significance of that statement are:

1) they are older – meaning igbo-ukwu had the knowledge before ife
2) they prove that it is an indigenous tradition.

now, if it was not to prove influence, why did they add it there?  imperial ife ke? did ife have any military might? lol

and cant u see it was really nri that influenced ife? coz nri didnt have any military might either. they were both weak azzes who got easily conquered by who? the "edomites"   edo-mights

and oh, that "black" identity is actually reserved for you negroes in the diaspora who got there through forced labour. and the ethiopians who u claim are proud to be "black" will actually be the first to tell you they are not black coz africans really dont identify as "black", coz unlike you, we have our ethnic identity and that is what we rep and are proud of!

anyway, since u wanted to see our first lady, here she is repping her culture to the fullest!

[img]http://api.ning.com/files/4vc3IbyzKTJb1x4USZtI4XAlL6eUCyNF871HOokuKt-S-WrRMZg5jR08k26sniehUSkc*wXSgylsNqsdaP6mD-k95wGr29Ij/CORONATIONOFDAMEPATIENCEJONATHAN1.jpg?width=637&height=600[/img]

and here is an old picture of the bini monarchy.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/446263_Oba_Akenzua_jpgebfa8ccf3d37696f271daf01e0cc9d14

now, fall on your knees, bow down and show respect at the throne.

dis blacklibya na real okpe! u posted an old picture probably taken nothing less than 30 or so odd years ago, and u are trying to compare it with a contemporary one?

anyway that is not the current "first lady" of ethiopia and here is the current one.

https://ethiopiaforums.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/azeb-mesfin_meles-zenawi1.jpg

^^^
now if u compare this to the old picture u posted? as u can see, her hair is clearly "straightened" when compared to the old one where the lady was spotting an afro. so what do u have to say for urself now?

negro, shut your dumbass up! so why did they include igbo-ukwu if there was no correlation? why didn't they go search for a proto-semitic one? u are the r3tard. ive told u before and i will tell u again, u are not proto-semitic, u are proto-emila! try researching dat cos thats where your roots are.

Negro_Ntns:
There is no Yoruba that believe we descend from Israelites or Arabs.  I have said plenty times and I continue to believe that the Yoruba tongue is not indigeneous, it is Old Hebrew.  I also believe that individual sovereigns within the Yoruba commonwealth were co-locators and co-migrators with Lamarudu from Canaan, Yemen, Axum and indeed Nubia towards Kanem and South westward into Old Oyo before they spead southward toward the coast.  Yoruba is proto-semitic and not a descent of any of the modern day semitic at all but indeed an independent sovereignty and race with its own social structure and belief system.

Were there pre-existing natives on the land before the Lamarudu footprint, yes definitely there were but the arriving peoples' culture and customs became dominant culture and philosophy of what is today the Yorubaland in Nigeria. 


This is different from the Igbo perspective which continuously believe and claim descent from Jews.  It does not matter if you said it or someone else said it, the fact that majority of your people believe and pursue that association with a Jewish ancestry makes it equally true and applicable for you as a member in that social group. 

Fool, let us know when you find your Judea.

lol, the more you talk, the dumber u sound. u spewed a pile of rubbish i dont give a shyt about. u wanted to know what links igbo-ukwu and ife, and i gave u examples. and u conveniently dodged that to come spew your hebrew-israelite bullshyte? proto-semitic my azz. you are not proto-semitic dumbazz, you are proto-emila. go research that, fool.

BlackLibya:
Dude, when u can prove to me that chemically straightening your hair is a traditional african style then I will agree with you. If you can show me that nigerian women were straightening their hair 110 years ago(before the europeans colonized them) then i will say my argument is null and void.

i dont have to show any pictures, cos

1) those creams were not available 110 years ago
2) styles whether it is “traditional” or “foreign” evolve and  are never stagnant

so whats your point?

you do not have to apply any cream.

actually there is a list of things u dont have to do.

u dont have to use toothpaste to brush your teeth
u dont have to use soap and sponge when taking a bath
u dont have to wipe your azz with tissue after taking a shyt

so why does what a woman do with her hair so particular to you, is it because like i said earlier, u are obsessed with hair?

but at the end of the day, u have already altered the natural state of the hair. so ur "natural" hair argument is pointless.

can't u see u are a dumbass? so when braiding hair, u don't apply any cream to it?

BlackLibya:
It's ok, from the comments posted here I can tell that Nigeria is not ready for women wearing their natural hair. If you refuse to recognize the underlying reasons for why its done, then so be it. I will continue to praise east african and southern african women for their pride and consciousness of the black experience.

that is becos u cant answer the question. and there is no underlying reason apart from the one you are cooking up in ur head due to ur complex. nigerian women through the ages have never left their hair in its "natural" state, and im yet to meet any woman or man who does. well, apart from those who wear dreads. and even that still involves some bit of altering. but good luck with ur east-african and south africa women who do not alter the natural state of their hair. we dont care!

nah, u dont know what inferiority complex mean. inferiority complex is having a name like "blacklibya" when nothing traces u there. and so u have been to nigerian stores and all u see are bleaching creams abi? child please!

and how do u expect nigerians to be constantly speaking their native language in a land they are foreign to? how is that going to help them in any way, and how does dat make dem less proud of who they are? the native indians in the US dont even speak their language not to talk off recent immigrants. but one thing for sure, nigerians don’t shy away from speakin their language amongst themselves or when they are with those who can speak and understand the language

and also, how do you even begin to define "natural" hair? is it those who perm their hair? so how does perming your hair different from braiding or even combing your hair? coz at the end of the day, you have already altered the natural state of the hair. or i guess to u, braiding hair is "natural" while perming is "unnatural". abi u talking about those who wear extensions? coz last i checked women from all races wear extensions, so wots your point?

lol, this blacklibya boy is funny. so is dat the reason u ignore your AA women and obsesse over dem, because u see your women as "entirely faked up"? because if im not mistaken your women are the most faked up women on the planet. but diff is, no matter how "faked up" nigerian women are, we still appreciate them and dont give tufvcks about them ethiopians or somalis unlike u dumbazzes who lust after dem and hate your kind.

and dat your dumb comment about 9ja women having their hair done is not even a point coz all women do that. or are u telling me all those beauty salons that litter the US are just there for decorations? and are u telling me there are no beauty salons in ethiopia where the women have their hair "done"?

and oh, i never said east-africans are not proud of their heritage, i just said nigerians in nigeria don’t give a shyt about them and don’t see them as the epitome of beauty. and im yet to meet a nigerian girl both at home or abroad who was not proud of heritage. in fact, the farther away nigerians are from home, the prouder they are of their heritage and always the first to chant 9ja for life!

this is only an internet phenomenon and not a real issue in nigeria, and only a problem for nigerians in the US because of african-american men weird obsession for east-african women. and i observed the main reason african-americans are obsessesed with dem cos they have the so-called “good hair”. but the real nigerians on the streets dont give tufvcks about east-african women, neither do they think they are more beautiful whether they are from somalia, ethiopia, eritrea, kenya or whereever. we have too many beautiful women roaming our streets than to care about dem east-africans. and to god who made me, the first thing that comes to the mind of a nigerian when u mention somalia or ethiopia is not beauty but poverty.

only the deluded igbos think they are jews, just like the deluded yorubas think they are hebrew-israelites or from some dumbazz arab tribe.

How did Igbo ukwu hop over so many other cultures with no trace of its influence and landed at Ife to start an influential art

negro, the deluded yoruba hebrew israelite , if you dont know, igbo-ukwu had brass/bronze that ife had too. and some words have same meaning in igbo and yoruba. eg the word for stone. yorubas may have a different spelling for it or diff pronounciation due to their loose tongue wey dem nor sabi control like what your dumbazz has potrayed here, but it is the same word and meaning at the end of the day.

now, crawl back into your hebrew israelite cave and die! thank you.