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raumdeuter:
How many goals did you concede in 2013 vs 2011?

Who was the goalkeeper in 2011 vs 2013??

raumdeuter:
Ferdinand was out injured playing 1700mins, and Vidic partnered Oshea Evans and Brown in Center defence without looking like a clown

Move Vandersar from the post, also Evra...lets see what will happen.

2012/2013, Raphael. Ferdinard. Evans, Evea played most also, . and we won the league

raumdeuter:
But Vidic in 2011 was leading Evans Oshea Brown to win the EPL without looking like a disaster

Haaaaaa

Van dersar, Ferdinard and Evra are part of our first choice defence in 2011......

I dnt know where you get this ones from oo

raumdeuter:
Ramos played Ajax in Amsterdam in their own stadium and they scored once.
He played many top teams when Madrid won the treble CL and stopped a lot of them

The only thing we will remember Ramos for, is those UCL goals, he do score at critical moment...

You can't say Ramos did something spectacular in defence.....

raumdeuter:
Ferdinand was slightly above average then he was like John Stones at Everton

I watched him at Leeds then and he was just like Stones, The same way Stones was bought for a record fee was how Rio was bought, given he was English and he flopped badly until they brought Vidic beside him to stabilize him, The highest point of Rios career was when Vidic played beside him

You are asking what Vidic did in Spartak? What he did was what led Man Utd to sign him from Russia and throw him into the first team immediately

Even Maldini/Nesta/Cannavaro will flop with this players.

Caroll

G neville. Sylvester. Oshea.

raumdeuter:
If Ramos has won with Navas Casillas with him leading the defence, So how is DeGeas failure on Ramos. Last CL without Ramos, Madrid conceded 3 at home to Ajax

De gea perform better with Man utd than Spain...

Courtois perform better with country than Real madrid...

So Ramos will stop ajax from scoring The best Ramos can do, is to score for madrid....he is good in that

kendrick93:
Vidic had weekness that where sometimes exploited by mostly quick players .
But according to you, he was superhuman

Just like Owen and Rooney....Ferdinard peaked early...
He had already played 10 seasons in the world toughest league at the very top, ....Vidic was in farmers league then...

All those 2010 upwards, ...Ferdinard legs were almost gone, just using brain to defend...

popizaino:
Puyol is exact opposite of what you described above and not even your beloved perfect ferdinand will agree with you on this that puyol was overrated.for someone to keep both delima and c.ronaldo at bay when it mattered most he can't certainly be overrated.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ni0v0D_x0

You want to use Youtube video to judge a player?

If i bring Phil Jones, Zouma, Mustafi youtube videos here.... You won't beleive it

raumdeuter:
Ramos was leading the Madrid defence to win the CL whether its Casillas or Navas. Who were these keepers that flopped with Ramos in front of them

Was Luiz ever the leader of a defence that suceeded? When he led Brazil at home, it led to his expulsion from the NT

De gea and I can also put Courtois there...

Forget abt David luiz.

I like Ramos personally, but his defending is not that solid...

raumdeuter:
Its Rio that they will be happy behind or VVD that will escort them to goal to preserve his "I didnt get dribbled" record

Keylor Navas behnd Ramos won 3 CL. That is one keeper who will be glad he has Ramos in front of him

Or Casillas who had him in front to win the world cup and Euros

I will pick Vidic ahead of Ramos, ...

Navas did well, I agree.....but every summer, why was De gea always wanna join then

Casilas is the only keeper, that was superb for me..and Pepe and some other defender was present then

Mention the list of keepers that Flooped due to Ramos lack of leadership from back.

Ramos is just David luiz 2.0

kendrick93:
Ramos is the biggest myth I have seen so far in football....
There's nothing special in his defending, commits red cards,
but I'm told he's a great defender...

Ramos is just a good defender.

Any CB that tackle with two legs, up and down the field is a great defender to them....

No Goal-keeper will be happy to play behind Ramos.

eph12:
You just validated what you quoted

Nope,
He is saying Vidic won 2 EPL best player, Ferdinard none...

I said, Henderson is a strong contender for EPL best (might win it) also with EPL trophy..... But that doesn't mean he is better than Gerrard.

kendrick93:
I'm not a United fan BTW.
On Reddit and Redcafe Ferdinand is rated as the better of the two...

EPL players, both past and current, media and EPL officials voted Tony Adams and Ferdinard as all time EPL CB pairing.....pangolo nairaland analyst shouting Vidic.

He should mention just 2 good defenders, Vidic ever benched in his whole career.

The same nairaland analyst that will pick Jorginho over Matic because of Pashun.

Ibeme:
You can only tell me what you read and what you are influenced by, not what you know and witnessed. Just like you read about Pedro playing against Manure in 2007/2008.

Meanwhile you are discussing with someone who watched EPL weekly in Ferdinands debut season.

Ferdinand was highly rated in the way that a young player is rated as good and certain mistakes overlooked. He was even touted as a midfielder and played there a few times for West Ham. You make few mistakes at West Ham and Leeds, it's quickly forgotten and your status remains high eg John Stones at Everton. When you come to Manure where every mistake could be the difference between winning and losing the league or UCL, it is a different ball game. Ferdinand was becoming unreliable from 2003 to 2006. Those mistakes of his youth would not be overlooked now.

Vidic is the Mr Reliable who performed mostly without error until about 2011, to the point where the only mistakes he made vs Torres turned into stuff of legend. For anything Vidic goofed against Torres, Ferdinand has goofed 5 times and went unremarked cos expectations are different.

1.You are not smart......if i use google, i will know
that Pedro didn't play that game...

2. You can't compare 1996-2015 with 2006-
2015.....go and bring Vidic statistics from
other clubs.
3. The kind of defenders Ferdinard benched @
west ham, Leeds, Manchester united and.
England national team.... If I mention them,
you will run away

4. Twice EPL defender transfer record... It's not joke.

5. Vidic had more errors leading to goals, red card, yellow card, pk conceded than Ferdinard.

6. Ferdinard went 53 games straight without yellow card.... Vidic can't make 5 straigt tackles without foul.

Go and rest abeg

Ibeme:
It is a current primary school student that may come and tell you in 10 years that Hendo was better than Gerrard cos he captained an EPL and UCL winning side.

Same way Expert17, a clueless primary school student of the 2000s is telling me today that Ferdy was better than Vidic because he read on Google that Ferdy has been in EPL since 1996 and broke transfer records while Vidic was still in Serbia and Russia.

The education/information you are receiving from me, is making you shiver....thats why you are shouting Google...

If you want to compare them go to Vidic CV and bring out his record at all his clubs, not just from 2006-2013.....then compare with Ferdinard.

Vidic won 2 EPL best player.....Ferdinard was included in EPL all time 11..

Ibeme:
Not young Manure fans like yourself who were still teenagers or primary school students when Vidic and Ferdinand were together and are influenced by media.

I would rather take the independent panel of experts at the time who twiceade Vidic Premier League player of the year. I'm not talking of EPL team of the season which any attache to team success can win. I mean someone considered the best player in the whole league twice by Independent observers.

Henderson might end up winning player of the season this year..... He will end up winning EPL title..gerrard couldn't win it.... Still, you can't compare him with GERRARD

Use your brain...

Intelligence doesn't come with age

Ibeme:
You are a Google analyst. I bet you are not up to 25 years old sef.

Who cares what Ferdinand did from 19 kporodim to 2057.

We are talking about 2006 to 2011 which is the period Ferdinand won anything worth writing home about, and Vidic was his senior in everything, twice winning Premier League player of the year.

If you check Ferdinand team and individual honours, 95% of any honours he will point to is in the 5 year period when Vidic came to rescue his career.

I suspect you are a young man who only started coming into his senses post 2011 when Vidic was on the wane.

Go to Nairaland archive and bring out Vidic statistics at Spartak moscow and Inter Milan...


Vidic had more own goals, red cards, yellow cards, error leading to goals, Pk conceeded than Ferdinard

Ibeme:
Younger fans who were not in their grown up senses will add to Ferdys votes as he is ever present in the media till today while Vidic disappeared off our screens when he left Manure

Vidic was voted greatest EPL defender of all time on Sky Sports.

Sky sport is not the owner of EPL


Official EPL team of all time.....Tony Adams and Rio Ferdinand are the CB

Ibeme:
You no sabi anything.

You're a YouTube watcher.

The only striker that Vidic struggled against in EPL was Torres

It came as much of a surprise as Vidic never had problem with anyone else and was given much press and highlighted for you YouTube revisionists.

Those of us watching the stuff live just know Torres was Vidic only weak point, while Ferdinand struggled against many strikers to where it was not worth highlighting.

It's just like any striker that toro VVD today will get much press coverage as opposed to someone like Rudiger who gets regularly washed

Vidic was far and above the dominant defender of that era. That's why independent panel twice voted him Premier League player of the season. Ferdinand own awards were never individual, just team of the season awards, as a result of team success.

Nairaland football watcher....

You are comparing Ferdinard that started playing in EPL from 1996 and ended in 2015, to Vidic peak years of 2006-2013..... Go and bring Vidic past records at former clubs and inter Milan let's see..... You no sabi ball.

Ferdinard was the youngest defender to ever play for England national team then....

He already had over 100 appearances bfor year 2000...

He broke defender world transfer record Twice...

He was already captaining a great leeds United side @ 21

Comparing Vidic peak years to Ferdinard whole careers...... Am sure you didn't watch Vidic at Spartak moscow and Inter Milan.

Go and sit down

eph12:
We were talking about Vidic and Ferdy, you went to bring Smalling and Jones, how does this correlate? Okay who is better na, now you are confused

I brought in Smalling and Jones, so you can understand the point of CB division of duties and rating of defenders better.


Judging from all aspect

Ferdinand is better than Vidic

Smalling is better than Jones

eph12:
So who is better between the two?

Swissh where you know Ephraim from??

eph12:
Are you trying to ask who was the better defender between Jones and Smalling?

It's simple.

Relate it,to the question you asked earlier, u will understand.

Jones go for the tackle/block first, .... But doesnt mean he is better than Smalling.

afrodoc2:
Ferdinand handled Torres better than Vidic did.
Liverpool Torres used to dash Vidic yellow and red cards.
It is known.

2007/2008 we played Barcelona(Messi, Xavi, Eto, Iniesta, Pedro) home and away and kept clean sheet in both legs without Vidic playing a single minute......Ferdinard anchored the back line....

Ferdinard once played 53 matches straightt without yellow card from March 2009 to October 2011..... Vidic cant make 5 straight tackles without committing foul...

With positioning you don't have to be tackling up and down or getting your kit dirty like Phil Jones, Mustafi..... Your brain will do most work for you...

Ferdinard is nicknamed Rolls-Royce for a reason

eph12:
The game Ferdy faced Torres, he struggled. Why was Vidic the one facing the top strikers?

2014-- 2016 when we play both Jones and Smalling as CB pairing....why was Jones the one going to tackle the top strikers

kendrick93:
I'm not most of y'all who only read stories about those players..
I watched them 247 and they not infallible as what your types are portraying here......
The same vidic was terrorized by any striker who had pace and skill which was where Ferdinand came in...
Rio was Fast,agile....so he had no problems with such players....
Vidic excelled against physical players which was his forte.....
Don't let Nostalgia blind you

@bolded....you sabi ball....

Vidic just enjoy those one on one battle with strong attackers ( drogba).... Against Fernando Torres and the rest, you wont see him.

Ferdinard reads the game better, more calm, .....

The same people will say Michael Carrick is not a top defensive midfielder because he dnt jump into tackles like the rest

Doctor wan cash out for the woman head....

Her EGUNGUN was abit careful

eph12:
I'm glad you can see that you're not making sense.

Maybe to you..........Unless Ferguson also don't know what he was doing then...

9 out of 10 times,.....The highest scoring club wins the league.

Ferguson lost 2011/2012 with 6 goals and was conceding late goals ( e.g Man utd 4- Everton 4)...... he went ahead to sign attack minded players Powell, Kagawa and Van persie.

eph12:
So you're saying that United will wait to see how many goals City scored, then out score them? And as City were not scoring as before, they decided to relax as there was no need to score more?

Ephraim what is this

eph12:
You claimed that Fergie brought in Van P because since we were leaking goals and it was De gea fault, and we needed to score more. We ended up scoring less.

The aim was to outscore opponent not to outscore last season..........

-2011/2012 we scored 89, and we were not the highest scorers in EPL (Man city scored 93).........We were conceding late goals this season

-2012/2013 we scored 86, and we were the highest goal scorers in EPL...........we were scoring late goals this season.

- The way opponent defenders prepare when facing Rooney is different from how they prepare when facing Rooney and Van persie

- It is easier for De gea to make a match winning save than keeping clean sheet

eph12:
So without Van P, United scored 89 goals.

Van P came, we scored 86 goals.

You dnt get the gist....

2 things involved

1. Van persie addition to what we have is scary, will make teams to be more defensive when we face them (Rooney and Van persie were the top 2 highest goal scorer 2011/2012)

2. Fergies instruction was pass to Van persie,... the goals wont be that distributed among the players

spillo1:
LMFAO.....Sorry I had to come back to this. Is that puyol I am seeing lmao. Puyol that couldn't read a game to save his life and his positioning was garbage. Puyol the Spanish Carrager and last ditch tackle merchant. Small boy are you even up to 20.

He smuggled in Boateng like cocaine there,..

spillo1:
It's baffling the length people will go to sell their agenda. Unlike Vidic who was the last piece of a world class defense, Ferdinand found himself the main man in a very weak defense. Mick was a poor man's Rojo, our goalkeepers were garbage, Blanc was finished, Oshea was blowing hot and cold and Wes brown had a long term relationship with the treatment room. The only two solid
defenders that were manageable was Neville and Heinze,

Atleast Ferdinard played well at West ham, Leeds and United

vidic was just united...........flopped @ inter